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Anyone having issues with Apps getting killed despite the fact that they don't have a task killer installed? I will open Apps and leave them running, go back to the home screen, and when I open my task manager minutes later, they are gone. I know that the system does its own kind of memory management but is it suppose to be doing this? The reason it is frustrating me is because often when I back out of an app or unlock the phone, my launcher pro acts like it has been reset, and I have to sit there while all of my widgets reload. Maybe it has always done this and I am just now realizing it. Just curious if anyone else has experinced this.
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JayRHamlin said:
Anyone having issues with Apps getting killed despite the fact that they don't have a task killer installed? I will open Apps and leave them running, go back to the home screen, and when I open my task manager minutes later, they are gone. I know that the system does its own kind of memory management but is it suppose to be doing this? The reason it is frustrating me is because often when I back out of an app or unlock the phone, my launcher pro acts like it has been reset, and I have to sit there while all of my widgets reload. Maybe it has always done this and I am just now realizing it. Just curious if anyone else has experinced this.
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this happens to me too, since upgrading to froyo the memory management has been the only bad thing.
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I think as soon as we have source some good kernels will be coming our way. I always had that problem with the vibrant until I used modded kernels with increases in ram.
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I don't understand why. .when u open up certain apps.....like 10 unrelated apps all start up in the bg. If I wanted them to start I will open them...I mean seriously this is the only os that does this
Osmonitor is a good app to see whats running
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Yeah I know. I use auto memory optimizer. Keeps more free ram. I set it to optimum.
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Best task killer?

I would love my task killer from my vibrant.
But since the g2x doesn't have a native tl, what is the best one?
The ones i use seem not to work. Even force killing apps doesn't work.
Anyone found one that keeps apps closed?
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No task killer.

I think I prefer one.
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Glad this topic was posted. So I called T-Mobile support yesterday about the battery issues and the first thing the guy asked me was if I was running a Task Killer - I was running Advanced Task Killer. BTW, he was zero help about the battery issue!
Today, I stopped into a TMo store to look for a case. The rep told me to uninstall the ATK that they did more harm than good. The rep today seemed to be more of a technical individual and understood much more than the phone rep from yesterday. The rep today told me I would have much better luck actually stopping the processes under Applications / Running Services.
So which is it?
Thanks in advance.

azsl1326 said:
Glad this topic was posted. So I called T-Mobile support yesterday about the battery issues and the first thing the guy asked me was if I was running a Task Killer - I was running Advanced Task Killer. BTW, he was zero help about the battery issue!
Today, I stopped into a TMo store to look for a case. The rep told me to uninstall the ATK that they did more harm than good. The rep today seemed to be more of a technical individual and understood much more than the phone rep from yesterday. The rep today told me I would have much better luck actually stopping the processes under Applications / Running Services.
So which is it?
Thanks in advance.
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Well we former vibrant owners have been told not use one since day one.
Then the vibrant got a native task killer. It was amazing.
The fact is those programs are taking up cache and I don't even use them.
Tmo apppack? Wtf. Telenav? Does anyone even use telenav?
Yes I know TK are suppose to be bad for android. But I think it clearly extends battery and speeds up my phone.
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azsl1326 said:
Glad this topic was posted. So I called T-Mobile support yesterday about the battery issues and the first thing the guy asked me was if I was running a Task Killer - I was running Advanced Task Killer. BTW, he was zero help about the battery issue!
Today, I stopped into a TMo store to look for a case. The rep told me to uninstall the ATK that they did more harm than good. The rep today seemed to be more of a technical individual and understood much more than the phone rep from yesterday. The rep today told me I would have much better luck actually stopping the processes under Applications / Running Services.
So which is it?
Thanks in advance.
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What I keep reading out there is that the task killers worked well for the early android phones. But the OS is much better nowadays and does a good job managing things for ya. I also read that even tho an app is started, it doesn't mean it is using up resources.. most are sitting there dormant. Thus, the processing power used to stop them (and then they are restarting) is using up more battery.
I've read this enough to make me question whether to uninstall ATK or not. I'm seriously considering it. I do have Titanium backup installed and I have used that to freeze appPack, car home, and 1-2 others . Now they never start. But, I'm wondering... is something else triggering those apps to start? If so and they cannot be started, is there a constant attempt to start them? ping ping ping....

schmit said:
What I keep reading out there is that the task killers worked well for the early android phones. But the OS is much better nowadays and does a good job managing things for ya. I also read that even tho an app is started, it doesn't mean it is using up resources.. most are sitting there dormant. Thus, the processing power used to stop them (and then they are restarting) is using up more battery.
I've read this enough to make me question whether to uninstall ATK or not. I'm seriously considering it. I do have Titanium backup installed and I have used that to freeze appPack, car home, and 1-2 others . Now they never start. But, I'm wondering... is something else triggering those apps to start? If so and they cannot be started, is there a constant attempt to start them? ping ping ping....
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Install a cache cleaner. It will show about 6mb going to those unused apps.
For a dormant app? Why?
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schmit said:
.....I've read this enough to make me question whether to uninstall ATK or not. I'm seriously considering it. I do have Titanium backup installed and I have used that to freeze appPack, car home, and 1-2 others . Now they never start. But, I'm wondering... is something else triggering those apps to start? If so and they cannot be started, is there a constant attempt to start them? ping ping ping....
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I took the store rep's advice and uninstalled it. I will see what happens. I haven't noticed a difference yet. I am also using Bloat Freezer to freeze the apps that TMobile felt that had to put on the phone that are more or less useless to me (and probably everyone else).

mr.orange303 said:
Install a cache cleaner. It will show about 6mb going to those unused apps.
For a dormant app? Why?
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ya, that's what i'd like to know.. so really.. is it even worth freezing them out? What cache cleaner you using?

schmit said:
ya, that's what i'd like to know.. so really.. is it even worth freezing them out? What cache cleaner you using?
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1tap
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Found the atk with the blue x will stop the cache use. The one with the red x would not.
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i'm going to try to do a test w/ similar usage.. Unfreeze everything in titanium and don't end any tasks vs freezing and ending tasks.. Try to see the diff. in battery usage. It's hard to get a true apples to apples comparison because usage differs.. but I'll give it a try..

schmit said:
i'm going to try to do a test w/ similar usage.. Unfreeze everything in titanium and don't end any tasks vs freezing and ending tasks.. Try to see the diff. in battery usage. It's hard to get a true apples to apples comparison because usage differs.. but I'll give it a try..
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Thnx
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I've gone with and without on 5 different Android phones. I wouldn't go with out one.
While it is true that Froyo and Gingerbread SHOULDN'T need taskkillers, poor coding and memory leaks have proven otherwise for me.
To each their own.

Well in my opinion
I have had a G1 a N1 and now i have a G2x, and have tried a task killer with each phone, and personally i think it eats up more battery by making everything reset everytime it kills an app that automatically launches anyway(Widgets and Bloatware) so honestly if your having problems with background tasks root and freeze them.

I actually find that if you freeze what apps you don't want to randomly start for stupid reasons like when the wind blows, then freeze them. Then under ATK, I ignore processes that are vital and apps that I want to allow to notify me our run in the background, and the rest I just kill when I'm done with them, and it frees up assloads of memory.
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Here is a great article explaining why task killers are bad for android....
http://m.lifehacker.com/5650894/and...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them

I can't believe there are people out there who still believe in the task killer myth. 2009 called, they want their misconceptions back.
Freezing apps can be useful. Force killing them every 10 minutes is not.
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cyberchuck9000 said:
I can't believe there are people out there who still believe in the task killer myth. 2009 called, they want their misconceptions back.
Freezing apps can be useful. Force killing them every 10 minutes is not.
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Agree 100%
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cyberchuck9000 said:
I can't believe there are people out there who still believe in the task killer myth. 2009 called, they want their misconceptions back.
Freezing apps can be useful. Force killing them every 10 minutes is not.
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true story.

Any way to free up RAM in CM7?

Hey guys, the longer I leave the phone on the less RAM I have.. I am down to a measly 62MB of ram at the end of the day.. I thought that android 2.2+ didn't need task killers? Anyone have any apps or ideas to help with that?
Edit: Please move this thread, I posted it in the completely wrong section I didn't have my glasses on, sorry.

Don't use any task killers but if you need a memory helper def go with "autokiller" from market. Its free and will def free up some ram for ya.
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Does your phone slow down? If it's not slowing down, don't worry about it. Apps stay asleep in ram and don't run, this just means they don't have to be reloaded and are saved in the position they are in when you left them... this is the pseudo multi-tasking. If it's not slow, don't mess with it. Mine runs down that low fairly often with no loss of speed. But you can adjust the minimum settings in autokiller as suggested above if it bothers you that much

you can always enable some swap space.
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Ron Overdrive said:
you can always enable some swap space.
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Are you talking about compcache?
And my phone seems to progressively get laggier throughout the day but a reboot every morning seems to be sufficient.

Using autokiller with the optimum preset keeps me with 120 mb free and things still run fast and smooth. . .
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I use advanced task killer and it works fine. Under settings I have auto kill set to safe and to do it when screen turns off
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Comp cache will be slower, and isn't necessary for phones with as much ram as ours. Swap is far different than comp cache, and may help some, but I notice no difference.
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sparksco said:
I use advanced task killer and it works fine. Under settings I have auto kill set to safe and to do it when screen turns off
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I don't recommend anyone use this.
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one thing that I do is use Titanium Backup to roll updates into the ROM. it hasnt caused me any issues yet that a reboot doesnt solve.
If you long press on an item in Titanium Backup...you get an option to integrate update into rom. Doing that will free up a small bit of storage, but for multiple apps it might add up for some people. My phone is smooth as butter running CM7

l2icky said:
I don't recommend anyone use this.
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Maybe running donut or eclair, but anything post froyo has absolutely no need for a task killer, simply use google search.
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Task Killer --> don't use it!

The link in the post below by NikolaiT is definitely worth reading - long story short, you should NOT be using a task killer (especially with this phone, with all its available RAM). Using one actually makes your phone run less efficiently, and it can drain your battery to boot.
Originally Posted by NikolaiT
You're going to get worst battery life using a task killer. http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/

Your link is not working
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i think task killers are great if you use them to kill the right apps, not the recurring self-opening ones

But iz not made to be that way
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http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/

The best thing to do instead of task killers is to use autostarts to stop apps from opening unnecessarily
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crazythunder said:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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Thanks, reposted the correct link in the original!

jayohwhy said:
The best thing to do instead of task killers is to use autostarts to stop apps from opening unnecessarily
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when i see a rogue app running in the background, i dip my phone into a container of dry ice, just to teach it a lesson.

crazythunder said:
when i see a rogue app running in the background, i dip my phone into a container of dry ice, just to teach it a lesson.
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That's pretty stupid...everyone knows you should only use the dry ice method when your battery's overheating.
Noob.

Erislover said:
That's pretty stupid...everyone knows you should only use the dry ice method when your battery's overheating.
Noob.
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how do you think titanium freezes apps? newb

crazythunder said:
when i see a rogue app running in the background, i dip my phone into a container of dry ice, just to teach it a lesson.
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Is this a douche-y way of saying autostarts doesn't work?
If not I think I'll need to have A couple beers before I think that is funny,

crazythunder said:
how do you think titanium freezes apps? newb
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lol now that's funny

I use a task killer to kill current running apps but no automatic killing and no killing of the background apps. Sometimes I like to free up memory
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Haharharhardyhaha its pretty funny... I think you are assuming his scarcasm over the internet.... not the best thing to do unless you want to start the grammar corrections and insults
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tackleberry said:
I use a task killer to kill current running apps but no automatic killing and no killing of the background apps. Sometimes I like to free up memory
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Freeing up memory doesn't do anything.. The larger memory # just looks pleasing to your eyes. When the android phone actually needs memory, it will shut down any and all apps that are not currently in use. These apps you are shutting down to 'free up memory' are sitting there dormant. As in, the memory is already free for the taking... You're actually accomplishing nothing at all besides making the memory # larger to your eyes and wasting battery.
It's a waste of time and battery to shut down any apps unless they are running wild. WatchDog will show you which ones are running wild on CPU usage.. That's all that is needed.. and once used for a day or 2 to evaluate.. it should be uninstalled because that too uses battery to monitor.
I find it funny to watch some guys using task killers, "I'm literally shutting the same things down over a 100 times a day!!! My battery sucks!!!" I laugh.

I read that article and stopped using my task killer for a day... everything was ridiculously slow after that. Browser, menus, etc. were extremely slow/buggy. One click of the task killer and everything ran smoothly again. I'll stop using a task killer when android starts using my memory the way it claims to.
Yes, it may drain battery faster... but I don't have time for buggy/stuttering menus and browsers.

I use a task killer... as a scalpel... not a hatchet. sometimes apps freeze (badly written, not working well for specific devices and just because). Then I use a task killer to kill THAT app. but auto clearing tasks is a bad idea.

alwarnecke said:
I read that article and stopped using my task killer for a day... everything was ridiculously slow after that. Browser, menus, etc. were extremely slow/buggy. One click of the task killer and everything ran smoothly again. I'll stop using a task killer when android starts using my memory the way it claims to.
Yes, it may drain battery faster... but I don't have time for buggy/stuttering menus and browsers.
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But you see, there is no knowledge of what is actually on that caused the slowness. It could have been 1 app going rogue. Without that knowledge, the only knowledge you end up with is "killing all apps was the solution." Sure, it appears as the correct fix, but was it only 1 app that could be frozen/removed/reinstalled? You don't know unless you dig deeper. A task killer just makes it look/sound/feel right.
WatchDog is a CPU monitor. Next time your phone is lagging up, put it on and look at the CPU usage. You'll find the app that is giving you challenges and you can shut it down.. then watch your phone stop lagging. Lastly, you can choose to freeze/uninstall/reinstall the app to come to a final solution.
my 2c

schmit said:
But you see, there is no knowledge of what is actually on that caused the slowness. It could have been 1 app going rogue. Without that knowledge, the only knowledge you end up with is "killing all apps was the solution." Sure, it appears as the correct fix, but was it only 1 app that could be frozen/removed/reinstalled? You don't know unless you dig deeper. A task killer just makes it look/sound/feel right.
WatchDog is a CPU monitor. Next time your phone is lagging up, put it on and look at the CPU usage. You'll find the app that is giving you challenges and you can shut it down.. then watch your phone stop lagging. Lastly, you can choose to freeze/uninstall/reinstall the app to come to a final solution.
my 2c
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Valid point. I'll try that for a few days and post the results, can't hurt!

nate420 said:
Haharharhardyhaha its pretty funny... I think you are assuming his scarcasm over the internet.... not the best thing to do unless you want to start the grammar corrections and insults
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No, it was cool I even thought about replying: "Only a noob spells it "newb," you nube." But ultimately I decided against that because it wouldn't have been that funny.
By the way, I think you meant "it's"...

How do I not lose All defaults when reset.

Every reset and some times when I kill tasks I loose all my program defaults. Trying to ignore then on list not enough it still happens. Its different programs each time. Launcher then my phone then contacts. Have redo the defaults. Any clue how make sure stops. Is because apps on as card?
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Stop killing tasks and learn how android works. Smh. How many threads are you going to open where you don't heed any advice?
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I have listened. I learned how to use my sd card. I fixed network issues. Also stream lined my apps. No double apps. I even managed more ram. I'm happy. I use a auto kill so doubt its doing it because I safe everything. My only issues now.
1. Google maps keeps deleting its self
2. My go locker changes
When this happens is at random. Doesn't seem be anything app doing it. I'm thinking its my Rom possibly. Bone. Skeeter
Doing my best bro. My phone is my only computer. Hard to read up as well as on a computer.
Thanks for the help.
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So odd I tried one app at a time. Might have start over with fresh rom. Its not bad problem just annoying. It deletes two random apps every restart. Thank god for titanium back up
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I have no idea what you are doing but I loose nothing over device resets. Period. Explain in detail exactly what you are doing, what ROM you are running, what launcher you are using and a list of 3rd party apps you are running.

xxsicknessxx said:
So odd I tried one app at a time. Might have start over with fresh rom. Its not bad problem just annoying. It deletes two random apps every restart. Thank god for titanium back up
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shansmi said:
I have no idea what you are doing but I loose nothing over device resets. Period. Explain in detail exactly what you are doing, what ROM you are running, what launcher you are using and a list of 3rd party apps you are running.
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sounds to me like hes running apps on sd which is unnecessary and causes more harm than good.

Really? Hmm I guess your right. I have I plenty of room. Thanks for info. I found the program responsible. Go locker. It used work but after last update it started messing up. Thanks for help I move apps back to phone
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Moving apps to phone helped allot thanks
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