The link in the post below by NikolaiT is definitely worth reading - long story short, you should NOT be using a task killer (especially with this phone, with all its available RAM). Using one actually makes your phone run less efficiently, and it can drain your battery to boot.
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You're going to get worst battery life using a task killer. http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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i think task killers are great if you use them to kill the right apps, not the recurring self-opening ones
But iz not made to be that way
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http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
The best thing to do instead of task killers is to use autostarts to stop apps from opening unnecessarily
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http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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Thanks, reposted the correct link in the original!
jayohwhy said:
The best thing to do instead of task killers is to use autostarts to stop apps from opening unnecessarily
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when i see a rogue app running in the background, i dip my phone into a container of dry ice, just to teach it a lesson.
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when i see a rogue app running in the background, i dip my phone into a container of dry ice, just to teach it a lesson.
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That's pretty stupid...everyone knows you should only use the dry ice method when your battery's overheating.
Noob.
Erislover said:
That's pretty stupid...everyone knows you should only use the dry ice method when your battery's overheating.
Noob.
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how do you think titanium freezes apps? newb
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when i see a rogue app running in the background, i dip my phone into a container of dry ice, just to teach it a lesson.
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Is this a douche-y way of saying autostarts doesn't work?
If not I think I'll need to have A couple beers before I think that is funny,
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how do you think titanium freezes apps? newb
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lol now that's funny
I use a task killer to kill current running apps but no automatic killing and no killing of the background apps. Sometimes I like to free up memory
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Haharharhardyhaha its pretty funny... I think you are assuming his scarcasm over the internet.... not the best thing to do unless you want to start the grammar corrections and insults
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I use a task killer to kill current running apps but no automatic killing and no killing of the background apps. Sometimes I like to free up memory
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Freeing up memory doesn't do anything.. The larger memory # just looks pleasing to your eyes. When the android phone actually needs memory, it will shut down any and all apps that are not currently in use. These apps you are shutting down to 'free up memory' are sitting there dormant. As in, the memory is already free for the taking... You're actually accomplishing nothing at all besides making the memory # larger to your eyes and wasting battery.
It's a waste of time and battery to shut down any apps unless they are running wild. WatchDog will show you which ones are running wild on CPU usage.. That's all that is needed.. and once used for a day or 2 to evaluate.. it should be uninstalled because that too uses battery to monitor.
I find it funny to watch some guys using task killers, "I'm literally shutting the same things down over a 100 times a day!!! My battery sucks!!!" I laugh.
I read that article and stopped using my task killer for a day... everything was ridiculously slow after that. Browser, menus, etc. were extremely slow/buggy. One click of the task killer and everything ran smoothly again. I'll stop using a task killer when android starts using my memory the way it claims to.
Yes, it may drain battery faster... but I don't have time for buggy/stuttering menus and browsers.
I use a task killer... as a scalpel... not a hatchet. sometimes apps freeze (badly written, not working well for specific devices and just because). Then I use a task killer to kill THAT app. but auto clearing tasks is a bad idea.
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I read that article and stopped using my task killer for a day... everything was ridiculously slow after that. Browser, menus, etc. were extremely slow/buggy. One click of the task killer and everything ran smoothly again. I'll stop using a task killer when android starts using my memory the way it claims to.
Yes, it may drain battery faster... but I don't have time for buggy/stuttering menus and browsers.
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But you see, there is no knowledge of what is actually on that caused the slowness. It could have been 1 app going rogue. Without that knowledge, the only knowledge you end up with is "killing all apps was the solution." Sure, it appears as the correct fix, but was it only 1 app that could be frozen/removed/reinstalled? You don't know unless you dig deeper. A task killer just makes it look/sound/feel right.
WatchDog is a CPU monitor. Next time your phone is lagging up, put it on and look at the CPU usage. You'll find the app that is giving you challenges and you can shut it down.. then watch your phone stop lagging. Lastly, you can choose to freeze/uninstall/reinstall the app to come to a final solution.
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But you see, there is no knowledge of what is actually on that caused the slowness. It could have been 1 app going rogue. Without that knowledge, the only knowledge you end up with is "killing all apps was the solution." Sure, it appears as the correct fix, but was it only 1 app that could be frozen/removed/reinstalled? You don't know unless you dig deeper. A task killer just makes it look/sound/feel right.
WatchDog is a CPU monitor. Next time your phone is lagging up, put it on and look at the CPU usage. You'll find the app that is giving you challenges and you can shut it down.. then watch your phone stop lagging. Lastly, you can choose to freeze/uninstall/reinstall the app to come to a final solution.
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Valid point. I'll try that for a few days and post the results, can't hurt!
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Haharharhardyhaha its pretty funny... I think you are assuming his scarcasm over the internet.... not the best thing to do unless you want to start the grammar corrections and insults
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No, it was cool I even thought about replying: "Only a noob spells it "newb," you nube." But ultimately I decided against that because it wouldn't have been that funny.
By the way, I think you meant "it's"...
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Hey.
Just wondering with people out there. if you check under running services, how much are processes taking up and how much free do you see on average.
I see 150-170mb
140-160 free
Are these numbers normal is what I'm looking forward to see.
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127MB used 179MB free
Is that avg? I get that right after I reboot my phone. After some use it pops to 150+
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Is that avg? I get that right after I reboot my phone. After some use it pops to 150+
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no thats just what it was at that time.
its now 130MB used 177MB free.
no reboot.
I hover around 90ish used 210ish free most of the time. I close apps by back buttoning out of them when I'm done instead of home button.
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Holy crap. I avg about 160 used. Idk if battery life is an issue though. Been getting ~15 hrs on moderate use.
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WHOAA! 160s and some even in 200s?
I get a max of 170-ish at boot, and soon after some use, it deteriorates to to 60s and 70s range...
i reboot my phone once every 1-2 days ... but i constantly ensure there are no background apps running using the task-manager app...
any tips to help me out guys?
EDIT: sorry - i was looking at "Free memory" as shown under the "Advanced Task Killer" app ... while the OP was talking about free memory shown under the 'Running services' screen ..
that screen shows me around 130-145 ish
From what I hear atk are bad for your phone causing the CPU to be used more to end these tasks that aren't ready to be killed. I suggest you let your CPU run off its terminate code on its on. I'm confident you'll find the stock task manager to be efficient and effective.
Anyways, back to services. Seems like nightly #19 is better taking care of my services. Got it to drop to 120 consistently and staying there.
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From what I hear atk are bad for your phone causing the CPU to be used more to end these tasks that aren't ready to be killed. I suggest you let your CPU run off its terminate code on its on. I'm confident you'll find the stock task manager to be efficient and effective.
Anyways, back to services. Seems like nightly #19 is better taking care of my services. Got it to drop to 120 consistently and staying there.
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mmmm..interesting..
i just checked the built-in battery-usage app to see what's consuming power... and ATK hasn't popped on there (yet) ... but I do rememebr seeing it once or twice with a 2-3% figure next to it..
I will try to keep it off tomorrow and use the stock task manager... lets see if that improves battery life by any chance..
i'm not sure that task managers will show up in the android list of used battery processes. but i can tell you that using task killer is a bad idea, and can lead to shorter battery life, because the OS constantly opens up apps. and the task killer is just fighting the OS killing them again, which is an endless cycle using up cpu power. these apps are periodically loaded as "empty processes" and usually will show as background on a task killer. you dont have to worry about these, they use no power. but services you may want to look out for, as they may be doing something, and could be using power.
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i'm not sure that task managers will show up in the android list of used battery processes. but i can tell you that using task killer is a bad idea, and can lead to shorter battery life, because the OS constantly opens up apps. and the task killer is just fighting the OS killing them again, which is an endless cycle using up cpu power. these apps are periodically loaded as "empty processes" and usually will show as background on a task killer. you dont have to worry about these, they use no power. but services you may want to look out for, as they may be doing something, and could be using power.
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Yes sir... makes sense ...Ill start tomorrow with a freshly baked /charged battery
and kill off the ATK ..
Thanks again...It's fantastic to see all these helpful tips out here on XDA
And OP sorry if I wennt OT or hijacked ur question towards battery life/ ATK
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Finally succesfully installed latest cordroid after a lot of help from a few certain people on here. THANX!!Now this is my very first android phone so bear with me on the dumb questions!Am i gonna have to click on appz killer everytime i want to kill everything ?? Even after one call about 15 apps are running in background so i have to kill them all again. i switch phone off, get a call, answer it . hang up after i am done and again i have 10 apps to kill with appz killer. so basic question is do i have to keep killing numerous apps each time i use the phone???wont that drain the battery if i ever forget to kill the apps and all 10 or 15 are running even after i press the off button ??
It will kill your battery faster if you keep killing them. Just let them run.
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why would you want to kill apps? If you aren't using them and they aren't running in the background then they aren't using your cpu, which means they aren't eating your battery. You don't need an app killer, they cause more problems then they solve.
Are u serious?? WQOW. All this time i swear that i thought the more running items u have, the quicker your battery would drain.. Thanx. i will just leave them alone and not kill 'em))
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It will kill your battery faster if you keep killing them. Just let them run.
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If The number of apps does not matter.
Does the number of processes running matter? They are the ones actively using the cpu/batter?
I was wondering if any could tell me what the best task killing app is out there.
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Watchdog. Android doesn't need a task killer though.
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Using an on-demand task killing app is actually pretty counter-productive. Android can handle your memory just fine.
Installing something like Watchdog to keep an eye out for runaway apps isn't a bad idea, though.
I second watchdog, you don't need to kill apps, killing apps kills your battery, apps aren't using your battery unless they are using your processor. Watchdog tells you when/if an app goes rouge and starts hogging say 80% of your processor, and gives you the option to force close the app.
Agreed. No task killer needed. Just another reason to love Android!
Thanks everyone I purchased watchdog its good thanks again this forum is great glad to have made the switch from ios to android
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+1 on no task killer. Many tasks that are killed will just start again anyway. The constant stopping and starting will use more CPU and thus more battery.
Best way I've found to conserve battery is to use SetCPU profiles.
system panel, paid version, is far and above the best app for this. monitoring enabled is simply superb!
but yes, you dont need a task killer, only to kill a random misbehaving app once in a while. android 2.2 and above, apps are no longer able to be killed most of the time anyway.
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Watchdog. Android doesn't need a task killer though.
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+1.
As mentioned, Android doesn't need it, not to mention this phone in particular seems to be pretty efficient at multi-tasking/memory management.
There are apps that run away with the CPU usage, Time Mobile is one I know of, that does this. It becomes a problem especially if the app doesn't even properly terminate even when you make a conscious effort to properly close the app by standard means, not to mention when an app just starts doing weird **** that makes you want to FC it intentionally.
In these special circumstances, Watchdog is best, as it monitors and tells you when an app is savaging your CPU, and gives you easy access to the kill switch.
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I would love my task killer from my vibrant.
But since the g2x doesn't have a native tl, what is the best one?
The ones i use seem not to work. Even force killing apps doesn't work.
Anyone found one that keeps apps closed?
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No task killer.
I think I prefer one.
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Glad this topic was posted. So I called T-Mobile support yesterday about the battery issues and the first thing the guy asked me was if I was running a Task Killer - I was running Advanced Task Killer. BTW, he was zero help about the battery issue!
Today, I stopped into a TMo store to look for a case. The rep told me to uninstall the ATK that they did more harm than good. The rep today seemed to be more of a technical individual and understood much more than the phone rep from yesterday. The rep today told me I would have much better luck actually stopping the processes under Applications / Running Services.
So which is it?
Thanks in advance.
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Glad this topic was posted. So I called T-Mobile support yesterday about the battery issues and the first thing the guy asked me was if I was running a Task Killer - I was running Advanced Task Killer. BTW, he was zero help about the battery issue!
Today, I stopped into a TMo store to look for a case. The rep told me to uninstall the ATK that they did more harm than good. The rep today seemed to be more of a technical individual and understood much more than the phone rep from yesterday. The rep today told me I would have much better luck actually stopping the processes under Applications / Running Services.
So which is it?
Thanks in advance.
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Well we former vibrant owners have been told not use one since day one.
Then the vibrant got a native task killer. It was amazing.
The fact is those programs are taking up cache and I don't even use them.
Tmo apppack? Wtf. Telenav? Does anyone even use telenav?
Yes I know TK are suppose to be bad for android. But I think it clearly extends battery and speeds up my phone.
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azsl1326 said:
Glad this topic was posted. So I called T-Mobile support yesterday about the battery issues and the first thing the guy asked me was if I was running a Task Killer - I was running Advanced Task Killer. BTW, he was zero help about the battery issue!
Today, I stopped into a TMo store to look for a case. The rep told me to uninstall the ATK that they did more harm than good. The rep today seemed to be more of a technical individual and understood much more than the phone rep from yesterday. The rep today told me I would have much better luck actually stopping the processes under Applications / Running Services.
So which is it?
Thanks in advance.
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What I keep reading out there is that the task killers worked well for the early android phones. But the OS is much better nowadays and does a good job managing things for ya. I also read that even tho an app is started, it doesn't mean it is using up resources.. most are sitting there dormant. Thus, the processing power used to stop them (and then they are restarting) is using up more battery.
I've read this enough to make me question whether to uninstall ATK or not. I'm seriously considering it. I do have Titanium backup installed and I have used that to freeze appPack, car home, and 1-2 others . Now they never start. But, I'm wondering... is something else triggering those apps to start? If so and they cannot be started, is there a constant attempt to start them? ping ping ping....
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What I keep reading out there is that the task killers worked well for the early android phones. But the OS is much better nowadays and does a good job managing things for ya. I also read that even tho an app is started, it doesn't mean it is using up resources.. most are sitting there dormant. Thus, the processing power used to stop them (and then they are restarting) is using up more battery.
I've read this enough to make me question whether to uninstall ATK or not. I'm seriously considering it. I do have Titanium backup installed and I have used that to freeze appPack, car home, and 1-2 others . Now they never start. But, I'm wondering... is something else triggering those apps to start? If so and they cannot be started, is there a constant attempt to start them? ping ping ping....
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Install a cache cleaner. It will show about 6mb going to those unused apps.
For a dormant app? Why?
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.....I've read this enough to make me question whether to uninstall ATK or not. I'm seriously considering it. I do have Titanium backup installed and I have used that to freeze appPack, car home, and 1-2 others . Now they never start. But, I'm wondering... is something else triggering those apps to start? If so and they cannot be started, is there a constant attempt to start them? ping ping ping....
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I took the store rep's advice and uninstalled it. I will see what happens. I haven't noticed a difference yet. I am also using Bloat Freezer to freeze the apps that TMobile felt that had to put on the phone that are more or less useless to me (and probably everyone else).
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Install a cache cleaner. It will show about 6mb going to those unused apps.
For a dormant app? Why?
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ya, that's what i'd like to know.. so really.. is it even worth freezing them out? What cache cleaner you using?
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ya, that's what i'd like to know.. so really.. is it even worth freezing them out? What cache cleaner you using?
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Found the atk with the blue x will stop the cache use. The one with the red x would not.
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i'm going to try to do a test w/ similar usage.. Unfreeze everything in titanium and don't end any tasks vs freezing and ending tasks.. Try to see the diff. in battery usage. It's hard to get a true apples to apples comparison because usage differs.. but I'll give it a try..
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i'm going to try to do a test w/ similar usage.. Unfreeze everything in titanium and don't end any tasks vs freezing and ending tasks.. Try to see the diff. in battery usage. It's hard to get a true apples to apples comparison because usage differs.. but I'll give it a try..
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Thnx
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I've gone with and without on 5 different Android phones. I wouldn't go with out one.
While it is true that Froyo and Gingerbread SHOULDN'T need taskkillers, poor coding and memory leaks have proven otherwise for me.
To each their own.
Well in my opinion
I have had a G1 a N1 and now i have a G2x, and have tried a task killer with each phone, and personally i think it eats up more battery by making everything reset everytime it kills an app that automatically launches anyway(Widgets and Bloatware) so honestly if your having problems with background tasks root and freeze them.
I actually find that if you freeze what apps you don't want to randomly start for stupid reasons like when the wind blows, then freeze them. Then under ATK, I ignore processes that are vital and apps that I want to allow to notify me our run in the background, and the rest I just kill when I'm done with them, and it frees up assloads of memory.
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Here is a great article explaining why task killers are bad for android....
http://m.lifehacker.com/5650894/and...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
I can't believe there are people out there who still believe in the task killer myth. 2009 called, they want their misconceptions back.
Freezing apps can be useful. Force killing them every 10 minutes is not.
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I can't believe there are people out there who still believe in the task killer myth. 2009 called, they want their misconceptions back.
Freezing apps can be useful. Force killing them every 10 minutes is not.
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Agree 100%
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cyberchuck9000 said:
I can't believe there are people out there who still believe in the task killer myth. 2009 called, they want their misconceptions back.
Freezing apps can be useful. Force killing them every 10 minutes is not.
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true story.
Do you close active applications when you're done with them or simply leave them running?
I've been reading that it's best practice to just leave apps as they are when you're done using them. That you can end up causing problems or even eating more battery/resources if you use a task manager to close them.
What's your take?
If its a game or such, I exit out of the game with the back button, ending the task. I don't normally kill any other background apps unless i'm troubleshooting or its causing problems.
Its true what they say about task killers and prematurely ending tasks. Android by version 2.2 had become adept at handling background tasks and ending them when needed. No user interference is required.
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If its a game or such, I exit out of the game with the back button, ending the task. I don't normally kill any other background apps unless i'm troubleshooting or its causing problems.
Its true what they say about task killers and prematurely ending tasks. Android by version 2.2 had become adept at handling background tasks and ending them when needed. No user interference is required.
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+1. With the new ROMs Task Killers are total useless. They can do more harm then good. OF COURSE, exiting/quitting apps THAT HAVE an exit button is a good idea.
Good luck !
What about clearing ram I see thirty programs close is that bad are they apps that should be running
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What about clearing ram I see thirty programs close is that bad are they apps that should be running
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If that really bothers you it is best to REBOOT your phone. It is a much, much better way to return to "zero". And it takes a min at most...
It also really helps reset apps etc..... With something like ICS, unless you fully understand its memory mangement, clearing memory willy-nilly only leads to phone mess-up and then yu'll have to reboot any way.
Personally, I only kill an app that has stopped responding. And usually I do that by restarting.
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I kill nothing. Let android do what it does best
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I kill apps all the time since ICS leaked. Hold home and swipe away everything I'm not using.
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I kill apps all the time since ICS leaked. Hold home and swipe away everything I'm not using.
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I don't think that works the way you think it does??
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I don't think that works the way you think it does??
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Indeed it does. It's a built in task manager.
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Well ics handles it slightly different giving the user the ability to control the amount of stuff in the background runing. No reason to use a task manager
Really, unless an app is giving you problems or excessively draining your battery, they should be left as they are. Ever since Froyo, Android has done a really good job of memory management.