Hi Everyone,
Ive been on a bit of a mission with T-mobile and have been in touch with the directors office, they are under the impression that nothing has been locked down on the phone in rc7/rc30 that would limit the use of the phone from a development standpoint.
Ive given them a few examples of things that cant be done but they refuse to do anything (other than cancel my contact if i want) as im only one person who is complaining.
I know everyone runnning rc30v1.2 and rc8v.12 is ok atm, but could EVERONE please send a little email of complaint. Just explaining that you are unhappy that they have locked down the phone and denied us root.
cl&[email protected]
They say that if they get more complaints then something will be done
ITS WORTH A SHOT ISNT IT?
PS... If anyone wants to cancel their contract in the uk because of the lack of access, call 01707 315000 and ask to talk to Leah within the Directors team about your G1 problem. I explained that i couldnt get my apps working because i couldnt edit/add files to system directories.
They should offer to cancel it, it worked for me
Yeah, it's worth a shot, although from past experience with T-Mobile this may be akin to trying to extract blood from a stone
I tried doing the same thing after I got my G1 (before anyone figured out the hole in RC29). I found the people over at T-Mobile USA are just as clueless. As soon as you mention the words Android or G1, they instantly transfer you to a different support queue. I tried to explain what root access was and they didn't have a clue what I was talking about.
I found that here in the UK also, these people work in the directors team and so far have not fobbed me off.
They dont claim to be technical but are at least talking to the T-mobile developers about this. They have raised my concerns with the UK G1 manager, i think my case just needs a little more oomph from others complaining.
I've already called HTC, G1 support, and the PDA/Smartphone support ppl. None of them were willing to even try to understand the issue.
T-mobile have just called me and have advised that we should expect a statement about the issue by the end of the week. The issue is now with board members apparently
Maybee they are actuclly starting to understand??
You should have them email. At least that way it leaves a paper trail.
SGTDavePwnage said:
T-mobile have just called me and have advised that we should expect a statement about the issue by the end of the week. The issue is now with board members apparently
Maybee they are actuclly starting to understand??
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That's very interesting that T-Mobile is even considering the idea of allowing root access, to the point where it would be an executive decision by the board members. Do you have any other information on this aside from your first post? Can anyone else confirm this?
i phoned tmobile uk today and asked why i couldnt get root on my tc5-rc8.
and i had a long talk with the guy and he said he had a email about this issue
and went throught a few things with me on my phone. and then he said he would phone me back tomorrow with someone that new more about the g1 then the tec support staff. and he would be able to give me more answers about it.
qtronix
Cool
Sounds like my insessant *****ing at T-mobile support might have gotten us somewhere?
At least techies are not fobbing people off at the moment.
Could you please concider sending an email to the address i posted, just so they are aware that others are miffed.
******This is a copy of the email i sent to the directors team******
Leah
Many thanks for your call....
As t-mobile dont seem to see/understand the problem I have given the contact details of the director team to a group of developers so that you can hopefully get a few more calls about this. Please believe me that I am not the only person who has these concerns, but when people call tech support about this they are simply fobbed off by people who are not trained/do not understand the issue.
I would like to point out an error with t-mobiles response that they have in no way locked down the phone so that it is detremental for putting developed software onto the phone.
Please see a few examples of how the new RC8 Software limits Developers :-
1. Say I wanted my screen to automatically rotate without wanting to open the keyboard, this is simply a matter of editing offset: 1104724 within /system/framework/framework.odex to 0x0F001246.
I could do this on the old software but not on the new RC8
2. Say i wanted to update the web browser to do the same, this would mean editing the origional browser source code released by Google and putting it on my phone. Again, this was possible with root access on RC7 but has now been made impossible on the new RC8.
3. Say i wanted to make a tethering application that allows me to use my G1 as a modem to my PC (i know this would cost me money on my contract for data transfer) but I might want to do it so that i can connect to my workplace vpn to fix something. This was Doable on RC7, but now is not.
4. The G1 currently has no way of clearing cache for the marketplace, this again was doable on RC7 but not on RC8
5. The G1 has a limited ammount of space to install applications. It would be a good idea if we could install applications to our SD memory Cards, but again we cant do this because of the new software.
The above examples are just some simple things developers are working on that would benefit the phone, but we cant develop them and put them on the phone.
Basically anything that means editing a system file / writing a file to a system directory is now impossible.
Please understand that developers are not trying to take over the world or ruin the phone. We are simply trying to make the phone do what we want / improve the features.
This is how OpenSource works. Everyone has access to the Source code so that it can if neccecary be customised/edited to improve things for everyone.
The new software has made it impossible for programs that interact with the main system files or require extra files to be put in a system folder, to work.
Developers understand why the phone RC7 software was unsafe in the way it ran commands, we understand why you fixed the command running problem, but instead of fixing the issue properly you have just locked down root access?? Why??
If the new software in no way limits what developers can do, then why when you search on the net are so many people “Jailbreaking” their phones to get the access they require.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081105-android-liberation-t-mobile-g1-jailbroken.html
Can i draw your attention to
"In contrast, the G1 has been developed by the Open Handset Alliance project. It's extremely unlikely that this alliance, which is committed to an open platform, will engage in the same kinds of protective shenanigans that Apple has resorted to. The Android philosophy states that "anyone can contribute to Android and influence its direction. That means that anyone can download, build, and run the code needed to create a complete mobile device."
So why jailbreak an already-open device? One big jailbreak advantage is that it allows you to bypass the G1's internal storage. Until now, you were limited by the G1's built-in memory for installing and running programs. With the jailbreak, you can install applications onto a local SD card and run them from the card. Running low on memory? Just swap cards in and out.
Jailbreaking also allows you to use low-level tools that run in the background. Want your G1 to call home and report your location every 20 minutes? A simple Unix process, called a daemon, can handle that for you. You can set daemons up to remind you of appointments, to scan for nearby wireless devices and more. The world of handheld computing doesn't begin or end with graphic interfaces. There's an enormously rich world of possibilities available through command line processes.
Most importantly, jailbreaking gives you complete control of your system from the bottom up. It lets you stop thinking of your phone as a handheld gadget and start using it as a fully-capable Unix platform. "
Please could you explain how T-mobile are of the opinion that they have not limited developers with the above examples in mind.
The G1 is being sold as a Developer friendly OpenSource Phone. How can you claim this is developer friendly when the software severely limits what developers can do?
Are T-mobile saying that the phone was never supposed to allow users this access and that the RC7 root access was a mistake?
Eagerly Awaiting your response..
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Well written, although I would have DEFINITELY left out the part about tethering the phone.
vr24 said:
Well written, although I would have DEFINITELY left out the part about tethering the phone.
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I did think about that, but then i reconcidered as we already have tetherbot which works without root.
Suppose we will just have to see if anything comes of it
SGTDavePwnage said:
I did think about that, but then i reconcidered as we already have tetherbot which works without root.
Suppose we will just have to see if anything comes of it
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you can always call t-mobile and say that after you updated the phone it is now:
constantly feezing, apps are running slow, and at times you can not connect to internet.
also tell them that you tried a factory reset and it did not help (make up a story that you have friend that has a lot of app and his phone runs faster than you phone with no apps installed)
if you have insurance they will send you one for free, you just have to return your old phone,
i believe they are still sending out rc29 for replacements as of now.
friend and cousin tried it and it worked.
might be worth a shot
Just got this in my inbox:
"Thank you for letting us know of your concerns with the 'open source' and 'root access' on your G1 mobile phone. We really do appreciate your comments about this.
We're aware that there are concerns in relation to this and our leadership teams in the UK and the USA are currently reviewing your comments and our position. We plan to provide you and other customers with similar concerns, with a response early next week, which should answer your concerns. I'll be in touch with you then.
Your comments are extremely valuable to us Mr * and I'm grateful for your patience while we look into this. I'd like to thank you personally for your co-operation.
In the mean time I hope you enjoy your weekend.
Kind regards
Leah Young
Directors' Office Co-ordinator
T-Mobile (UK)"
Of course, their answer could be anything from "f*ck off" to "yes, we'd love to embrace the openness of android with both arms, here everyone, have root!" so we'll all have to keep our fingers crossed 'til monday.
Well I just hope they release an update with options that allow us to turn off all background services (myfaves) and unwanted datatraffic (or actuall prevent overriding options when roaming).
How did that dead horse like the beating?
Perhaps a dead horse. Could it be that Tmo has now figured out that with root access, it won't take long for people like the coders at XDA to fully jailbreak the device to the point that voIP will be easy for any user to obtain? Are they just trying to protect their ability to profit off of voice traffic?
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Perhaps a dead horse. Could it be that Tmo has now figured out that with root access, it won't take long for people like the coders at XDA to fully jailbreak the device to the point that voIP will be easy for any user to obtain? Are they just trying to protect their ability to profit off of voice traffic?
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Hummm... I think ALL wireless providers are threatened by VOIP but the main reason root access was blocked was due to bad press mainly by tons of articles stating that there is a huge security risk and a flaw was found with Android which could let remote users attack someone's device...blah blah blah and so forth. That pretty much scared T-Mobile and Google which hated to have bad press so close to the G1 just being released and were forced to correct this issue. The only problem with that protection came with closing alot of freedom for the G1 and may happen to alot of more Android-based devices in the future, I'm afraid... Maybe Google will realize that there are other ways to protect mobile hijacking (which is extremely rare anyways) by creating some type of built-in firewall software instead?
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Perhaps a dead horse. Could it be that Tmo has now figured out that with root access, it won't take long for people like the coders at XDA to fully jailbreak the device to the point that voIP will be easy for any user to obtain? Are they just trying to protect their ability to profit off of voice traffic?
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Root is not necessary to build a voip app. Fact is, G1 launched with a skype-compatible voip app called iSkoot. Look it up.
SGTDavePwnage said:
Cool
Sounds like my insessant *****ing at T-mobile support might have gotten us somewhere?
At least techies are not fobbing people off at the moment.
Could you please concider sending an email to the address i posted, just so they are aware that others are miffed.
******This is a copy of the email i sent to the directors team******
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i wont quote the entire email because its big. but you sir are very well spoken, great email!
I thank the programmers for their work on the Hard-SPL Unlocker and they deserve to be compensated for it.
But, these are the issues I have with the unlocker and the programmers themselves:
#1. I already PAID for license for my PERSONAL use for ONLY my PERSONAL TP2.
#2. I'm still being blocked from running the unlocker
#3. My service "ticket" with PROOF OF MY PAYMENT filed on the programmer’s ticket system, private messages, and e-mails are all being completely ignored since 3/29/2010
Sooo,
What are ALL the details on the process that I have to undertake to PAY them AGAIN to get a version of the unlocker that will allow me to unlock my PERSONAL TP2 for my PERSONAL use that can NEVER be blocked again ???
Thank you for any help that can be provided.
Here is a copy of the license information they post on their site.
I have highlighted/underlined every issue that is NOT being honored:
Licensing information:
it's like with previous Hard-SPL unlockers - every user gets one free use of the Hard-SPL,
further use is subject to paying 3GBP per each device.
however, if you are a private user, you can have other uses free on request if needed, such as using it on a replacement device.
the license is valid forever and all this works as transparently as possible, so for normal users nothing is noticeable; while businesses who need to unlock more devices than that, can use the link inside the program to send payment or contact cmonex or Olipro if you want to discuss bulk unlocking.
contact info is: via support link
Again, I thank the programmers for their work and they deserve to be compensated for it.
You guys have done great work.
You've earned my money.
But, my money deserves service and a response.
Please get me working and provide a solution so this doesn't happen again.
Thank you.
I'd like to make a public request to change the system currently in place.
In exchange for our payments, can we get a downloadable program that works without future issues ????
This way, we don't have to rely on the programmers to maintain their website and communication.
They are many reports that the programmners are not maintaining either, and that's fine......
as long as those that paid can get access now to a downloadable solution that will work independtly without web access with no future issues.
I bought the SIM unlocker last year when it was released. I had it on my laptop and some how I managed to screw up my hard drive. I put in a ticket because I wanted to re down load the program in case I ever need to relock my phone to have it serviced. I received 1 reply asking for my IMIE, that was like back in dec/jan. I'm glad that my phone has not bit the dust but I'm still up set at the unloker team's under handed business practices.
i wait two weeks for them answer in my ticked --silence.
pay yes --support no.
it sounds like you guys have to re-submit your problems, olipro said the system was down and they had to start over http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6571077&postcount=153.
I think olipro will get it worked out. I also tried to redownload the unlocker but unfortunately once you download for the first time you can no longer download yours again. I suggest that maybe olipro keep that link active for max 3 downloads. He has done great work though.
Hello Guys,
i'm student so its possible for me to unlock the phone without Chevron etc.
by entering Zipcode, Adress and so on.
My question now is, if Microsoft has somehow "access" to my installed apps, because i have to install them via Desktop Marketplace (No Marketplace Country)
so im worried if they will lock my account or so?
Thanks for help
There are no "student phones" or else, so all phones can work the same way. Chevron and sideload will not harm any of your accounts (what accounts do you mean, anyway).
Homebrew is not forbidden, aside from things which are illegal anyhow (pirated apps, for example). Why are you worried about your account being locked?
because than my student dev account would be locked --> Handy as well and i don't want the Chevron Solution becaus of further updates
just go to dreamspark and then follow the process to the create.msdn site and submit a blank app.
You will be able to unlock 3 phones for free through their means.
don't use chevron
heres the URL
As far as i know will a student be able to unlock only 1 phone.
Students can definetly unlock 3 phones. I have a student account and have unlock 3
He is asking if his dev account that he got with dreamspark can be locked because he is using pirated apps because his country doesn't support or allow him to purchase apps so the only way he can get them is to pirate them, so now he is scared that microsoft will see that he has pirated games/apps and will lock or close his dev account
To answer your question (if that is what you are asking )I dont know
i have a dell venue pro running wp7.5 mango
i want to jailbreak it
please post a way to perform it.
will it void my warranty ??
"Jailbreak" is a totally ambiguous term. If you want the exact level of access it provides on an iPhone - custom apps, root access, and the ability to replace system binaries - that is flat-out impossible right now. If you just want custom apps, that's actually a built-in feature of the OS.
You can try using the registry editor buit into the EM app, but most likely you're going to need to get an AppHub account.
More info on the various unlock possibilities for each Windows phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538801 (first page of the dev&hacking section... seriously, try a *little* harder please).
actually i dont have my college registered on the dreamspark list and dont wanna pay 99$.
is there anyway..??
vivek27 said:
actually i dont have my college registered on the dreamspark list and dont wanna pay 99$.
is there anyway..??
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To unlock your phone do exactly the following:
1.) turn your phone off
2.) go outside where you get real good signal
3.) take your phone and throw it as hard as you can at the ground
4.) your phone is now unlocked
PS: this will only work once so make it count.
This guy should be banned "permanently" Complain already sent to mods...
My post was not about voluptuary or OP posts It was swindler's message here (above mine). But moderators have already taken care of this "merchant" His post is deleted and (I hope so!) he is banned.
Looking to pay for a successful method in regard to bypassing this:
I need you to develop some software for me. I would like this software to be developed for PC. I live in Dallas, TX, USA and want to play DFS ie. draftkings/FanDuel but TX is one of the few or so unavailabe states. I have used VPN's but sites will not allow me to play because I need my location enabled . The plugin we're looking to get over is called Geo Comply, it's mega advanced, does more than 350 checks on you every 20 minutes, eats stuff like VPN/RDPs for breakfast and a few experienced developers I've contacted failed already. They have a lot of information on their site about the methods they use and after reading it, you might get a bit discouraged as experienced as you might be. I want a software or a solution that can bypass all their checks and for me to stay undetected while being out of state. I need to appear to be located within New Jersey. I wanna work with serious and experienced developers only, as I said this is far from an easy task that many so-called old IT dogs failed and gave up on. Your effort will be rewarded and I might have future jobs for you too if you can somehow manage a solution for my problem. Looking forward to working with you.
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Looking to pay for a successful method in regard to bypassing this:
I need you to develop some software for me. I would like this software to be developed for PC. I live in Dallas, TX, USA and want to play DFS ie. draftkings/FanDuel but TX is one of the few or so unavailabe states. I have used VPN's but sites will not allow me to play because I need my location enabled . The plugin we're looking to get over is called Geo Comply, it's mega advanced, does more than 350 checks on you every 20 minutes, eats stuff like VPN/RDPs for breakfast and a few experienced developers I've contacted failed already. They have a lot of information on their site about the methods they use and after reading it, you might get a bit discouraged as experienced as you might be. I want a software or a solution that can bypass all their checks and for me to stay undetected while being out of state. I need to appear to be located within New Jersey. I wanna work with serious and experienced developers only, as I said this is far from an easy task that many so-called old IT dogs failed and gave up on. Your effort will be rewarded and I might have future jobs for you too if you can somehow manage a solution for my problem. Looking forward to working with you.
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CANT help u because of the law there.