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Hi Everyone,
Ive been on a bit of a mission with T-mobile and have been in touch with the directors office, they are under the impression that nothing has been locked down on the phone in rc7/rc30 that would limit the use of the phone from a development standpoint.
Ive given them a few examples of things that cant be done but they refuse to do anything (other than cancel my contact if i want) as im only one person who is complaining.
I know everyone runnning rc30v1.2 and rc8v.12 is ok atm, but could EVERONE please send a little email of complaint. Just explaining that you are unhappy that they have locked down the phone and denied us root.
cl&[email protected]
They say that if they get more complaints then something will be done
ITS WORTH A SHOT ISNT IT?
PS... If anyone wants to cancel their contract in the uk because of the lack of access, call 01707 315000 and ask to talk to Leah within the Directors team about your G1 problem. I explained that i couldnt get my apps working because i couldnt edit/add files to system directories.
They should offer to cancel it, it worked for me
Yeah, it's worth a shot, although from past experience with T-Mobile this may be akin to trying to extract blood from a stone
I tried doing the same thing after I got my G1 (before anyone figured out the hole in RC29). I found the people over at T-Mobile USA are just as clueless. As soon as you mention the words Android or G1, they instantly transfer you to a different support queue. I tried to explain what root access was and they didn't have a clue what I was talking about.
I found that here in the UK also, these people work in the directors team and so far have not fobbed me off.
They dont claim to be technical but are at least talking to the T-mobile developers about this. They have raised my concerns with the UK G1 manager, i think my case just needs a little more oomph from others complaining.
I've already called HTC, G1 support, and the PDA/Smartphone support ppl. None of them were willing to even try to understand the issue.
T-mobile have just called me and have advised that we should expect a statement about the issue by the end of the week. The issue is now with board members apparently
Maybee they are actuclly starting to understand??
You should have them email. At least that way it leaves a paper trail.
SGTDavePwnage said:
T-mobile have just called me and have advised that we should expect a statement about the issue by the end of the week. The issue is now with board members apparently
Maybee they are actuclly starting to understand??
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That's very interesting that T-Mobile is even considering the idea of allowing root access, to the point where it would be an executive decision by the board members. Do you have any other information on this aside from your first post? Can anyone else confirm this?
i phoned tmobile uk today and asked why i couldnt get root on my tc5-rc8.
and i had a long talk with the guy and he said he had a email about this issue
and went throught a few things with me on my phone. and then he said he would phone me back tomorrow with someone that new more about the g1 then the tec support staff. and he would be able to give me more answers about it.
qtronix
Cool
Sounds like my insessant *****ing at T-mobile support might have gotten us somewhere?
At least techies are not fobbing people off at the moment.
Could you please concider sending an email to the address i posted, just so they are aware that others are miffed.
******This is a copy of the email i sent to the directors team******
Leah
Many thanks for your call....
As t-mobile dont seem to see/understand the problem I have given the contact details of the director team to a group of developers so that you can hopefully get a few more calls about this. Please believe me that I am not the only person who has these concerns, but when people call tech support about this they are simply fobbed off by people who are not trained/do not understand the issue.
I would like to point out an error with t-mobiles response that they have in no way locked down the phone so that it is detremental for putting developed software onto the phone.
Please see a few examples of how the new RC8 Software limits Developers :-
1. Say I wanted my screen to automatically rotate without wanting to open the keyboard, this is simply a matter of editing offset: 1104724 within /system/framework/framework.odex to 0x0F001246.
I could do this on the old software but not on the new RC8
2. Say i wanted to update the web browser to do the same, this would mean editing the origional browser source code released by Google and putting it on my phone. Again, this was possible with root access on RC7 but has now been made impossible on the new RC8.
3. Say i wanted to make a tethering application that allows me to use my G1 as a modem to my PC (i know this would cost me money on my contract for data transfer) but I might want to do it so that i can connect to my workplace vpn to fix something. This was Doable on RC7, but now is not.
4. The G1 currently has no way of clearing cache for the marketplace, this again was doable on RC7 but not on RC8
5. The G1 has a limited ammount of space to install applications. It would be a good idea if we could install applications to our SD memory Cards, but again we cant do this because of the new software.
The above examples are just some simple things developers are working on that would benefit the phone, but we cant develop them and put them on the phone.
Basically anything that means editing a system file / writing a file to a system directory is now impossible.
Please understand that developers are not trying to take over the world or ruin the phone. We are simply trying to make the phone do what we want / improve the features.
This is how OpenSource works. Everyone has access to the Source code so that it can if neccecary be customised/edited to improve things for everyone.
The new software has made it impossible for programs that interact with the main system files or require extra files to be put in a system folder, to work.
Developers understand why the phone RC7 software was unsafe in the way it ran commands, we understand why you fixed the command running problem, but instead of fixing the issue properly you have just locked down root access?? Why??
If the new software in no way limits what developers can do, then why when you search on the net are so many people “Jailbreaking” their phones to get the access they require.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081105-android-liberation-t-mobile-g1-jailbroken.html
Can i draw your attention to
"In contrast, the G1 has been developed by the Open Handset Alliance project. It's extremely unlikely that this alliance, which is committed to an open platform, will engage in the same kinds of protective shenanigans that Apple has resorted to. The Android philosophy states that "anyone can contribute to Android and influence its direction. That means that anyone can download, build, and run the code needed to create a complete mobile device."
So why jailbreak an already-open device? One big jailbreak advantage is that it allows you to bypass the G1's internal storage. Until now, you were limited by the G1's built-in memory for installing and running programs. With the jailbreak, you can install applications onto a local SD card and run them from the card. Running low on memory? Just swap cards in and out.
Jailbreaking also allows you to use low-level tools that run in the background. Want your G1 to call home and report your location every 20 minutes? A simple Unix process, called a daemon, can handle that for you. You can set daemons up to remind you of appointments, to scan for nearby wireless devices and more. The world of handheld computing doesn't begin or end with graphic interfaces. There's an enormously rich world of possibilities available through command line processes.
Most importantly, jailbreaking gives you complete control of your system from the bottom up. It lets you stop thinking of your phone as a handheld gadget and start using it as a fully-capable Unix platform. "
Please could you explain how T-mobile are of the opinion that they have not limited developers with the above examples in mind.
The G1 is being sold as a Developer friendly OpenSource Phone. How can you claim this is developer friendly when the software severely limits what developers can do?
Are T-mobile saying that the phone was never supposed to allow users this access and that the RC7 root access was a mistake?
Eagerly Awaiting your response..
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Well written, although I would have DEFINITELY left out the part about tethering the phone.
vr24 said:
Well written, although I would have DEFINITELY left out the part about tethering the phone.
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I did think about that, but then i reconcidered as we already have tetherbot which works without root.
Suppose we will just have to see if anything comes of it
SGTDavePwnage said:
I did think about that, but then i reconcidered as we already have tetherbot which works without root.
Suppose we will just have to see if anything comes of it
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you can always call t-mobile and say that after you updated the phone it is now:
constantly feezing, apps are running slow, and at times you can not connect to internet.
also tell them that you tried a factory reset and it did not help (make up a story that you have friend that has a lot of app and his phone runs faster than you phone with no apps installed)
if you have insurance they will send you one for free, you just have to return your old phone,
i believe they are still sending out rc29 for replacements as of now.
friend and cousin tried it and it worked.
might be worth a shot
Just got this in my inbox:
"Thank you for letting us know of your concerns with the 'open source' and 'root access' on your G1 mobile phone. We really do appreciate your comments about this.
We're aware that there are concerns in relation to this and our leadership teams in the UK and the USA are currently reviewing your comments and our position. We plan to provide you and other customers with similar concerns, with a response early next week, which should answer your concerns. I'll be in touch with you then.
Your comments are extremely valuable to us Mr * and I'm grateful for your patience while we look into this. I'd like to thank you personally for your co-operation.
In the mean time I hope you enjoy your weekend.
Kind regards
Leah Young
Directors' Office Co-ordinator
T-Mobile (UK)"
Of course, their answer could be anything from "f*ck off" to "yes, we'd love to embrace the openness of android with both arms, here everyone, have root!" so we'll all have to keep our fingers crossed 'til monday.
Well I just hope they release an update with options that allow us to turn off all background services (myfaves) and unwanted datatraffic (or actuall prevent overriding options when roaming).
How did that dead horse like the beating?
Perhaps a dead horse. Could it be that Tmo has now figured out that with root access, it won't take long for people like the coders at XDA to fully jailbreak the device to the point that voIP will be easy for any user to obtain? Are they just trying to protect their ability to profit off of voice traffic?
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Perhaps a dead horse. Could it be that Tmo has now figured out that with root access, it won't take long for people like the coders at XDA to fully jailbreak the device to the point that voIP will be easy for any user to obtain? Are they just trying to protect their ability to profit off of voice traffic?
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Hummm... I think ALL wireless providers are threatened by VOIP but the main reason root access was blocked was due to bad press mainly by tons of articles stating that there is a huge security risk and a flaw was found with Android which could let remote users attack someone's device...blah blah blah and so forth. That pretty much scared T-Mobile and Google which hated to have bad press so close to the G1 just being released and were forced to correct this issue. The only problem with that protection came with closing alot of freedom for the G1 and may happen to alot of more Android-based devices in the future, I'm afraid... Maybe Google will realize that there are other ways to protect mobile hijacking (which is extremely rare anyways) by creating some type of built-in firewall software instead?
rynosaur said:
Perhaps a dead horse. Could it be that Tmo has now figured out that with root access, it won't take long for people like the coders at XDA to fully jailbreak the device to the point that voIP will be easy for any user to obtain? Are they just trying to protect their ability to profit off of voice traffic?
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Root is not necessary to build a voip app. Fact is, G1 launched with a skype-compatible voip app called iSkoot. Look it up.
SGTDavePwnage said:
Cool
Sounds like my insessant *****ing at T-mobile support might have gotten us somewhere?
At least techies are not fobbing people off at the moment.
Could you please concider sending an email to the address i posted, just so they are aware that others are miffed.
******This is a copy of the email i sent to the directors team******
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i wont quote the entire email because its big. but you sir are very well spoken, great email!
Hello Guys,
i'm student so its possible for me to unlock the phone without Chevron etc.
by entering Zipcode, Adress and so on.
My question now is, if Microsoft has somehow "access" to my installed apps, because i have to install them via Desktop Marketplace (No Marketplace Country)
so im worried if they will lock my account or so?
Thanks for help
There are no "student phones" or else, so all phones can work the same way. Chevron and sideload will not harm any of your accounts (what accounts do you mean, anyway).
Homebrew is not forbidden, aside from things which are illegal anyhow (pirated apps, for example). Why are you worried about your account being locked?
because than my student dev account would be locked --> Handy as well and i don't want the Chevron Solution becaus of further updates
just go to dreamspark and then follow the process to the create.msdn site and submit a blank app.
You will be able to unlock 3 phones for free through their means.
don't use chevron
heres the URL
As far as i know will a student be able to unlock only 1 phone.
Students can definetly unlock 3 phones. I have a student account and have unlock 3
He is asking if his dev account that he got with dreamspark can be locked because he is using pirated apps because his country doesn't support or allow him to purchase apps so the only way he can get them is to pirate them, so now he is scared that microsoft will see that he has pirated games/apps and will lock or close his dev account
To answer your question (if that is what you are asking )I dont know
hey guys i have heard that apphub can register 3 devices in one account...so i was thinking that if we connect a user who have an apphub account with a user who dose not have...by using internet ..so that other users can also register their devices....
Guys please tell me if this is possible????
It would be a gr8 help to many users...especially to omnia w users...
In order to register a device to get it unlocked, it must be physically present at the account owner's computer. It has to be connected via USB to the computer, and a program at the computer is run to register it.
So I suppose, if people are trusting enough to send their phones to others, then its possible. Otherwise, not gonna work.
so i guess its a yes....but if we connect the pcs via a software which would even help us to share proxy ports,usb ports,etc we may able to do it without the risk...
Guys plz need your support...
Well, you're not going to be able to do it *without* risk; I don't know of any program that would allow that level of remote connection without exposing one computer or the other to attack. The level of risk may be acceptable, though.
Side note: not everybody has unlocks to spare; some of us have multiple phones or have family / friends who needed unlocked too. That said, if there's a way to do it right, the idea certainly has merit!
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That said, if there's a way to do it right, the idea certainly has merit!
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... but not on XDA, my friend
I really dont know now if this is true but when i was googling i got the information that u can also remove the device if dont want it......so after u have registered the device u can simply remove the user....
plz correct me if m wrong!!!
That's right. But what is your point? No one will give you his Live account credentials. Also, this is a hoax, prohibited by Microsoft agreement. By the way, if you already ready to cheat - just open fake student's account and get your unlock for free (but I don't want to discuss it).
well i tried almost all the things on google and xda but none of it is working.....
anyways so i guess its a bit sad news to most of the omnia w users....
@sensboston, you misunderstood. The suggestion was for a way to remotely connect a Windows Phone to the computer of somebody who had an AppHub account. For example, if you could forward your device's USB connection to my PC via the Internet, I could then launch the Windows Phone Developer Registration tool on my PC, enter my credentials, and unlock your device (well, aside from running into the limit, that is).
I don't know of any such software that doesn't also give one ocmputer or the other way more access than I'd recomment allowing a stranger to have, but it does not (in theory) require handing one's credentials to anybody else. It may be against the ToS of AppHub, but then, you can believe that ChevronWP7 Unlocker was against somebody or other's ToS as well, and that didn't stop people. I routinely decompile apps, even though that's forbidden by mose EULAs. You get the point. We're not talking piracy here...
May be but I think OP is looking for free handset unlock, not for USB forwarding
I know that I have not got much experience so I was ask if I am able to make my phone a developer one so I am able to side load homebrewed apps.
Because I don't know much can any one tell me a almost step by step guide to doing it my phone is currently
OS: 7.10.8107.79
if you need any more information just ask
and please I know most people will think im a pain but I have no idea what most of the this talk about.
Thanks for any help
Alex
Alexxx9999 said:
I know that I have not got much experience so I was ask if I am able to make my phone a developer one so I am able to side load homebrewed apps.
Because I don't know much can any one tell me a almost step by step guide to doing it my phone is currently
OS: 7.10.8107.79
if you need any more information just ask
and please I know most people will think im a pain but I have no idea what most of the this talk about.
Thanks for any help
Alex
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see the tutorial i write in the HD7 General sub-forum.
don't want to look? no worry, link in my signature.
Currently, the only ways to dev-unlock (what you're asking about) every phone is to get an AppHub account (Marketplace Developer account) from Microsoft ($99/year from http://create.msdn.com, free with student email address from http://dreamspark.com). For some phones (gen1 or gen1.5 HTC, gen1 Samsung, Nokia Lumia 710 and some Lumia 800) you can install a custom ROM, and the info for doing that is usually available in the device-specific forum on this site. For LG phones, there's a built-in registry editor that can be used for dev-unlock. If you have a Samsung phone, you may be able to use WindowBreak, which is an easy and free way to unlock.
There's a list of available unlocks, categorized by type of phone and level of unlock, listing the various limitations of each, and with links to more information and instructions for each. This list is on the dev&hacking sub-forum.
Hi,
I want to know if i encrypt my Galaxy S7, if it's possible to remove lock screen with dr.fone toolkit ?
If it's possible it's bad because password it's for restrict any person to access to phone !
Thank for any help !
Hi,
Up !
Do you know the answer ? Please ?
Thank !
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Thank !
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Hello,
The Galaxy S7 has multiple variants and builds. Normally when asking this kind of question, you should include the model of your device. That way anyone wanting to help you actually has the knowledge to be able to do so. Phones have different internal parts, memory space, and so on. You can find your model number by doing the following:
- slide down the notification bar, sometimes you may have to slide down twice depending on the device. Click the gear in the upper right hand corner. "Settings"
OR
- Access your app drawer or all apps section and find your "settings" section/app. Most of the time it will have a icon of a gear, or three lines that resemble on off switches. Older androids sometimes use just have three lines (as the settings icon)
- Find the section labeled "About Device / Device Info" its usually labeled something similar if not exactly. Open this section
(Galaxy phones usually have this section at the bottom of your "settings" section)
- Somewhere within this section, there will be a label that reads "Model" and that is your specific variant which is needed in device specific situations.
* Take Note of this for future reference. You might think okay ill remember that. But when you come to realize your devices model number may be XDA-2017T1 and you look for something pertaining your device. You will also find something like this:
XDA-2017
XDA-2017YP
XDA-2017YP2
XDA-2017T0
XDA-2017T2
XDA-2017T10
Assuming that you will continually update and/or customize your phone. You will probably just memorize this, along with other important information. Some important things you should include while researching is as follows (the top two are very important)
1. [Model Number] ex) XDA-2017T1
2. [Android Version] ex) 6.0.1 Marshmallow
3. [Baseband]
4. [Kernel]
5. [Chipset]
6. Is device "rooted?"
7. Is the bootloader unlocked?
8. GSM or CDMA. Older devices even use IDEN
Those are only some.
* I also want you to know that im not trying to lecture you, or give you a hard time. I am honestly trying to help you and in order to successfully help you I have to ensure that you know things, or mention things, that is important to do. So your device isnt broken, or you get information that is correct but incorrect for your specific device.
But back to the topic originally referenced.
Q) "Is the program Dr. Fone able to bypass the screen lock security measures on the Samsung Galaxy S7?"
A) Based on limited information that is device specific, and the current Supported Devices section from Dr Fones documentation
"No"
• Dr. Fone doesnt have the capabilty to bypass your screen lock. They will probably include the S7 within a period of time due to it being a main stream phone though.
• Remember this; locks can and will be broken. Just because a vulnerabilty hasnt been exposed or discovered doesnt mean that its 100% secure.
• Keep current with OTA updates, keep in tune with tech type news.
• Encryption is vast subject, but I can refer to it like the "invisible magical ink" That was popular in the 90's. The light that reveals the ink to the naked eye, is your password. The inabilty to see the ink normally without a specific tool, would be encryption. So if someone cracked your password, your encryption would also be disabled. I linked more information below, for you to read. I still dont fully understand encryption myself, nor do I believe or trust it.
I based this information assuming your device is the SM-G930. It is accurate as possible but not guaranteed. Do realize with the information I mentioned and with the question you asked. I was able to do a simple Google search and almost immediately found the answers. Try to figure things out before you ask in the future. You can repeat the process of not researching prior to posting but typically your post will die. If you get stuck and have put forth honest effort, the great people here at XDA will probably help out greatly. I hope I have helped you, and you now feel better about your concerns. please pay it foward.
If you feel ive helped or gave a honest attempt to help. Hit the thumbs up, that is the thanks button.
-juzten
▪Information on Android Encryption▪
https://source.android.com/security/encryption/full-disk
▪Samsung S7 Model Numbers ▪
https://www.google.com/amp/techbeasts.com/list-of-samsung-galaxy-s7-s7-edge-model-numbers/amp/
▪Dr. Fone's Supported Devices, Screen Lock ▪
https://drfone.wondershare.com/reference/android-lock-screen-removal.html
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[☆☆☆] I TAKE NO CREDIT, AND GIVE THANKS TO THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE AND/OR RESEARCHED THE ABOVE REFERENCES. THESE REFERENCES ARE THE RESOURCES I USED TO CONCLUDE AN ACCURATE RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION ASKED IN THE OP. NO CLAIM IS MEANT TO BE IMPLIED, OR IS GIVEN WITH THE INFORMATION PRESENTED AS FACTUAL. AS WITH ALL DOCUMENTATION, ERRORS ARE MADE OCCASSIONALLY AND YOU SHOULD FURTHER RESEARCH ANY DOUBT. I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILTY FOR ANY DAMAGE OR LOSS THAT OCCURED IN DIRECT RELATION TO MY STATEMENTS MADE. [☆☆☆]
Hi,
juzten said:
Hello,
The Galaxy S7 has multiple variants and builds. Normally when asking this kind of question, you should include the model of your device. That way anyone wanting to help you actually has the knowledge to be able to do so. Phones have different internal parts, memory space, and so on. You can find your model number by doing the following:
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I'm sorry, I completely forgot to mention the model of my S7, it is the SM-G930F on Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow, thanks for answering me.
On the other hand, I'm disappointed that a commercial program can unlock a phone.
I hope that this way of circumventing the locking of smartphones will be solved, because malicious people could use it to unlock phones that do not belong to them ...
The only way to protect yourself from this program is to install an application that protects personal data.
Thank you again for answering!
Wondershare Dr. Fonefor unlooking thr screen.
Wondershare Dr. Fone is a powerful instrument to regain iPhone lost information, it can help scan and recover them from iTunes or iCloud copies in case you've got backup your iPhone into iTunes or iCloud, or it helps you regain contacts directly from the device. Besides it's harmonious with iPhone 5s/5c/4S/ / 4/3GS and it might recover 18 kinds of content such as pictures, videos, contacts, messages, notes, and phone log, voicemail, voice memos, calendars, reminders, etc.. :good:
I agree with you. A commercial program available for a few dollars can unlock a password protected phone. What is Android/ios waiting to solve this threat?