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Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
Thanks,
HaiKaiDo
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Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.
Miami_Son said:
Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.
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I was asked by the forums mod to repost this and that he was going to lock it and sticky it so that posts like this would no longer happen and people would be able to vote without flaming. Also Apex and Andromeda will be added.
Dude you look silly
I do not see anything wrong with a thread like this. Maybe it can prevent some additional threads about what rom is best for me.
And by the way, screw you for not including asop roms, my vote is miui. (just kidding on the screw you, kinda)
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HaiKaiDo said:
Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
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That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.
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That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.
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+1 Some people never learn.
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Well since I have the support of a moderator and all the other people that havnt decided to take everything ive said in this thread and twist it and blow it WAY out of proportion, im gonna have to go with...If you dont like it, dont post here :]
Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.
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Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.
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come on man seriously , no need to stay here and set fire to my thread AGAIN. For whatever reason the mod that said he was going to lock this and sticky it has disapeared for the moment, but i suppose when he gets back all these posts will be deleted and the OP can be used to exactly what it was intended. Just a collection of data, not a popularity contest, not a noob guide to tell them what rom to install. Its just a small collection of data to see what the community is upto.
I didn't post a thing in your last thread, so don't blame me for that one being closed. The reality is that your poll is flawed simply because you limited it to only 2.3.x ROMs. That will not give a clear picture of what ROMs are being used since it omits some very fine 2.2 ROMs like Andromeda and the many users still on stock Froyo and Eclair. That renders it pretty useless as far as a statistical analysis and dangerous as it might convince some to jump to a Gingerbread ROM before they know what the consequences might be. Don't we have enough people in here with bricks and flashing problems? Why contribute to it?
just move on and don't vote
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At work, will respond to this properly when I can.
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Okay lets clear this up....
I DID tell the OP to repost this thread.
Heres why.....
I agree with the rest of you that "best" rom threads are pointless and often offensive. I do not allow "best" rom threads in any of the sections I moderate.
However, this thread was not supposed to be about whats "best".
The intention was to set the poll, stick the thread and close it to prevent the usual barrage of venom and verbal diarrhea that goes with the aforementioned "best" rom threads.
I for one am curious as to how the userbase of a particular device is split between the various roms on offer and I think its a shame that there is no way to utilise the poll option to asess this.
I spoke to the OP about this and it was clear to me that he did not want to encourage discussion about whats "best", just collect the numbers out of curiousity so I agreed to give this a go....
As it stands, its not possible to close a thread and leave the poll open so it looks like we'll never know.
Loving the work that's been done here so far... but after downloading and installing not one, but two different 200+MB-sized roms listed as non-sense when they're really sense-based ROMS that have had sense elements stripped from them, can we be a little more definitive in the composure of these custom ROMs?
I need a TRULY non-sense ROM (vanilla based). Sense-based ROMs don't work with the WiiRemote Controller IME, and neither of these "non-sense" ROMs in this forum work with it, because they still lack the element that Vanilla android has but Sense ROMs exclude (can not recall the exact element but still).
I think it'd be reasonable to list Sense-stripped ROMs as "de-sensed" and truly non-sense ROMS (built off of Vanilla Android) "non-sense".
I admit, Most of you on here compiling these roms know a whole lot more about this than I do, so I could be mistaken about something (in which case I'll stand corrected). I'm just getting tired of taking the time that it does to download and install these seemingly gigantic ROMs (as I recall a truly Vanilla ROM is usually only 40-50MBs at most, not 200+) to find out they're not ultimately doing what I need them to.
One of, if not the utmost reason I've rooted my MyTouch4gS is to utilize the WiiRemoteController IME for use with the emulators. I might just have to wait until Cyanogenmod jumps on board with this phone to get a truly vanilla-based ROM ::shrugs:: who knows. If someone out there knows how to accomplish this, I anxiously await your efforts. Thanks =)
---edited my original post, I can see how the one instance of my use of the word "claim" might make the frustrations of my original post offend them, though no name calling or finger pointing was intended, my bad---
It looks like someone is trying to get his post count up. Lmfao. LEARN HOW TO READ THE TITLE OF OP. If you cant read thats NOT the devs fault. My title is clear as day. Weird how your the only one complaining of an issue thats not even an issue. I saw a commercial for hooked on phonics. Its on sell for 49.99 plus tax. Might be a great investment for you. Rather then bash developers for your own inability to read titles and ops I would get that book.
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Oh and true vanilla aosp roms is not 40-50mb its 80-110mb. Just fyi.
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We didn't make an error..I'm sure undead would agree ” senseless” means removing the htc overlay that is put over android....launcher, lock screen, widgets and other bloatware no typical user ..uses or understands....a ” senseless rom is just what we provided ....now let me clarify ...if it was a ” vanilla” rom the word ”senseless ” would be of no use because it would be AOSP which clearly isnt sense..also if we took every component out of the rom containing anything sense it would still be..sense lol AOSP isnt stripped down per say it is compiled from source .....I'm glad you like our work but when undead or myself or both of us decide to take the time to do AOSp or whatever you will know...
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AndroidAutobot said:
Loving the work that's been done here so far... but after downloading and installing not one, but two different 200+MB-sized roms claiming to be non-sense when they're really sense-based ROMS that have had sense elements stripped from them, can we PLEASE be a little more difinitive in the composure of these custom ROMs?
I need a TRUELY non-sense ROM (vanilla based). Sense-based ROMs don't work with the WiiRemote Controller IME, and neither of these "non-sense" ROMs in this forum work with it, because they still lack the element that Vanilla android has but Sense ROMs exclude (can not recall the exact element but still).
I think it'd be reasonable to list Sense-stripped ROMs as "de-sensed" and truely non-sense ROMS (built off of Vanilla Android) "non-sense".
I admit, Most of you on here compiling these roms know a whole lot more about this than I do, so I could be mistaken about something (in which case I'll stand corrected). I'm just getting tired of taking the time that it does to download and install these seemingly gigantic ROMs (as I recall a truely Vanilla ROM is usually only 40-50MBs at most, not 200+) to find out they're not ultimately doing what I need them to.
One of, if not the utmost reason I've rooted my MyTouch4gS is to utilize the WiiRemoteController IME for use with the emulators. I might just have to wait until Cyanogenmod jumps on board with this phone to get a truely vanilla-based ROM ::shrugs:: who knows. If someone out there knows how to accomplish this, I anxiously await your efforts. Thanks =)
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Truly AOSP-based ROMs will not come for a while. I'm not sure if someone has started a device tree for CM7 or not. It needs to be done otherwise.
No one will be "compiling" ROMs until the above is done. It's 7zipping all the way to the top until then!
Even when we do get AOSP based ROMs, don't expect them to work as well as Sense based ROMs for a LONG time. Even then, it may never be the same level of quality (even though it'll likely be a lot faster)
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computerkid23 said:
We didn't make an error..I'm sure undead would agree ” senseless” means removing the htc overlay that is put over android....launcher, lock screen, widgets and other bloatware no typical user ..uses or understands....a ” senseless rom is just what we provided ....now let me clarify ...if it was a ” vanilla” rom the word ”senseless ” would be of no use because it would be AOSP which clearly isnt sense..also if we took every component out of the rom containing anything sense it would still be..sense lol AOSP isnt stripped down per say it is compiled from source .....I'm glad you like our work but when undead or myself or both of us decide to take the time to do AOSp or whatever you will know...
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Thank you for your more civilized response. I did not intend to imply that you or undead made an error by any means. I apologise (to you, not him, if he had been a little more civilized I might be more remorseful) for any offense I may have brought to you. That was not my intent.
I only intended to bring stronger definition between senseless and AOSP. Which you've provided me and I now understand where I was wrong. It was my mistake, as I understood the concepts of building AOSP from the source and stripping a sense-based ROM, but did not previously realize that what I was looking for was an AOSP ROM built from source and not a sense-less ROM. Given your explanation, I agree and now understand what I previously did not comprehend.
And undead - What are you 12? I wasn't bashing anyone nor did I intend to. You clearly took my meaning completely wrong. I'm confused, it says you joined this community a month ago. Where do you get off trolling a member of this community who's been around here 2 years longer than you have? Cool your jets. Lets try and keep this place civilized and not act like children. If you misunderstand someone or think that someone's being offensive, please take an approach more similar to how computerkid handled the situation. It was simply a misunderstanding and, as such, did not require name calling or any of the absurdly superfluous (if you don't understand the meaning of that word, perhaps you should get some hooked on phonics) insults you've thrown my way. I'm not really going to designate any kind of response past this defense. I'm not trying to troll, these are merely the 2 cents I've earned after what you've just unnecessarily expressed. Chill out dude.
Romanbb said:
Truly AOSP-based ROMs will not come for a while. I'm not sure if someone has started a device tree for CM7 or not. It needs to be done otherwise.
No one will be "compiling" ROMs until the above is done. It's 7zipping all the way to the top until then!
Even when we do get AOSP based ROMs, don't expect them to work as well as Sense based ROMs for a LONG time. Even then, it may never be the same level of quality (even though it'll likely be a lot faster)
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Thanks for the knowledge.
Sorry for posting in this forum, I posted it here because it was a request for any ROMs being posted here in the future, which seemed to bear some relevance until I stood corrected (which I do).
The only other time I've rooted a Sense-based phone was when I ended up rooting my MyTouch3G Slide months after I had owned it, when CM was already available for it. So I didn't previously realize what an endeavor it is to achieve what I'm waiting for.
Given the information I've obtained from this thread, it makes a lot of sense that it would take some time.
Mods please remove this crap out of the development thread. This users inability to read ops is the root cause of his issue and common sense woulda helped him resolve this ”issue” ! He also created a thread JUST LIKE THIS in my nonsense thread, computerkid23 tasteless venom thread, and in the general section of the mytouch 4g slide.
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So far the devs all seem pretty clear about how they just removed the Sense overlay/UI or some of the Sense / mySense elements and I also hope they continue to be as definitive; it doesn't seem like they're cliaming they're AOSP-based. Usually devs will post when a ROM is AOSP-based or CM7-based so you'll know what you're getting yourself into, and the devs thus far have done a respectable job of defining what they've done, which is for the most part, take the stock ROM and remove just about as much as possible to streamline things.
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Mods please remove this crap out of the development thread. This users inability to read ops is the root cause of his issue and common sense woulda helped him resolve this ”issue” ! He also created a thread JUST LIKE THIS in my nonsense thread, computerkid23 tasteless venom thread, and in the general section of the mytouch 4g slide.
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Wow youre a piece of work.
It was relevant in the development thread to start, as it was a request for future development (duh). two mere comments in other threads (that did pertain to the ROMs in particular, where this one pertains to future ROMs) is hardly cross-posting as youre acusing me of. And what post in the general thread are you even speaking of? Ive never even been in the general thread for this phone. Youre loosing your mind.
This thread however is clearly no longer relevant because it was based on a misunderstanding of what i was actually looking for. Again... How old are you? I swear my 3 year old nephew is better tempered than you are lol.
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Not to fan the flames but the development section is for active development not requests those go in general or q&a but we didn't get a q&a in our sub forum
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Ok guys enough already. Dev is not for requests or Question threads. I have moved this thread to General. Now as for the rudeness IT STOPS or you will be on the wrong side of a ban. Plan and simple. If you are looking for a certain aspect of a rom please do your research on the rom. If you dont see if something is supported ask the Dev about it. As for the thing you are looking for, if the source code is available then you can build one from source. But with the lack of things i see I am not sure if it is even released.
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Do you think we will ever have ICS on the galaxy s 4g? I mean we saw it on G1, and lots of unsupported phones, and on the galaxy s 1 which doesn't support ICS officially. What is the problem stopping the development ?
ismailham said:
Do you think we will ever have ICS on the galaxy s 4g? I mean we saw it on G1, and lots of unsupported phones, and on the galaxy s 1 which doesn't support ICS officially. What is the problem stopping the development ?
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Threads like this.
Also, the other phones have like a billion and one kernel devs. Not to mention our phone is Sammy's black sheep, by that I mean this phone is way different from other sgs.
Lastly, we have at least 3 other ICS threads why not ask there?
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ismailham said:
Do you think we will ever have ICS on the galaxy s 4g? I mean we saw it on G1, and lots of unsupported phones, and on the galaxy s 1 which doesn't support ICS officially. What is the problem stopping the development ?
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You haven't downloaded the source code and tried to help us port it. We need your help.
I'm trying really hard to remain "civil".....really I am
FBis251 said:
You haven't downloaded the source code and tried to help us port it. We need your help.
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I like that answer lol
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Why does everybody get annoyed when a regular person just wants to know whats wrong out of curiosity? I don't want any ROM or anything I just wanted a technical answer. is the problem the source code being unreleased? will the company ever release it?
I wish I could help, I would really love to. Its like a dream or long term goal to be a dev, study programming languages etc... but that requires lots of time and I'm just waiting a bit as i'm not sure where to start.
I am sorry for any misunderstanding as I know Devs already have rough days and nights with developing and improving. I wasn't "Demanding" or "pushing" as i'm not that person. I am just seeking knowledge, and if the Q&A section isn't the right place to search for Knowledge then I don't know where is.
The problem isn't with you so much as it is with the million dollar question that's been asked and answered a million times....its the question all devs cringe over when they see it repeated time n time again.
Put yourself in their shoes for a minute.....they put out as much as they can with what they can and people keep popping up this same question like they just aren't happy with what they are getting
To answer your question, and anybody else that wants to ask,
It is being worked on. We cannot get ICS to boot due to coding and kernel issues. I semi successfully ported an ICS ROM, but due to all the mods and changes, it felt empty. So we went back to the drawing board and started over. Since we don't have source code, it makes things much more difficult. Be patient. And for the record, the first place to search for knowledge is Google. Fb is right though. We do need more help. The more people we have working on this, the better our chances are. Learn how to compile kernel and ROM from source. Learn scripting. And learn how to Google...
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The problem isn't with you so much as it is with the million dollar question that's been asked and answered a million times....its the question all devs cringe over when they see it repeated time n time again.
Put yourself in their shoes for a minute.....they put out as much as they can with what they can and people keep popping up this same question like they just aren't happy with what they are getting
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I do understand what you mean, and I already put myself in the dev's shoes and I really admire their work, all of it. But I went through all the threads regarding ICS, and sadly their aim is to push , demand and request stuff from devs as if devs don't have enough on their minds already, and that is really annoying and disrespectful. But not all people are like that. I don't have any requests( I have a Nexus S with ICS, SGS 4g CM7.2) I am just seeking knowledge.
I am really grateful for what each and every DEV offers as it is from their personal and free time. Sorry for any misunderstanding
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To answer your question, and anybody else that wants to ask,
It is being worked on. We cannot get ICS to boot due to coding and kernel issues. I semi successfully ported an ICS ROM, but due to all the mods and changes, it felt empty. So we went back to the drawing board and started over. Since we don't have source code, it makes things much more difficult. Be patient. And for the record, the first place to search for knowledge is Google. Fb is right though. We do need more help. The more people we have working on this, the better our chances are. Learn how to compile kernel and ROM from source. Learn scripting. And learn how to Google...
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I really thank you for your answer sir. You have helped me a lot, I hope I can lend a hand in any way possible. I will read about kernel/rom compiling. I googled many stuff about a month ago but its so vast and big I sort of got lost and stopped.
Thank you...
Sorry for double posting...
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erikmm said:
Also, the other phones have like a billion and one kernel devs. Not to mention our phone is Sammy's black sheep, by that I mean this phone is way different from other sgs.
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What Thomas posted is true but the main reason we dont have a working ICS port is this statement above.
The op makes a good point, this is the Q&A section. Even tho there are many threads asking this same question most of them have ended up in bashing with nerf bats or a mod locking because of insults. Ive read the other threads, but most people will stop reading when the conversation turns sour. You might actually read the other posts but your mind shuts it down. So a informative post will slip in and you wont catch it.
The biggest problem with threads that ask this question is assumptions. When people stop assuming and start to understand the person asking the question things get resolved.
thomas.raines said:
To answer your question, and anybody else that wants to ask,
It is being worked on. We cannot get ICS to boot due to coding and kernel issues. I semi successfully ported an ICS ROM, but due to all the mods and changes, it felt empty. So we went back to the drawing board and started over. Since we don't have source code, it makes things much more difficult. Be patient. And for the record, the first place to search for knowledge is Google. Fb is right though. We do need more help. The more people we have working on this, the better our chances are. Learn how to compile kernel and ROM from source. Learn scripting. And learn how to Google...
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I'd like to help, how would I go about doing that?
brandonc0526 said:
I'd like to help, how would I go about doing that?
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jump on irc and go to the teamacid channel this evening...
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thomas.raines said:
jump on irc and go to the teamacid channel this evening...
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Joined too late man. Tried to take a break at work but I couldnt
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Joined too late man. Tried to take a break at work but I couldnt
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Send me a PM when you guys get on
As im sure most of you all know, I have locked the Unofficial CM10 thread. It isnt because of one person or one event, but something that has been coming for a long time. I have been stressing myself with this build and making sure that everyone was happy and doing pretty much everything i could do, but it didnt seem to be enough. While i appreciate the feedback, it is very disappointing to release cm10.1 when pretty much no other phones have released it (due to the lack of source merged and changes necessary for jellybean 4.2.1) and have nothing but post after post of this doesnt work and this doesnt look right and this is running horrible and blah blah blah even after i made it absolutely clear time after time that there may be issues since there is alot of source changes that are missing. You would think that since i took the time to merge the needed changes and work tirelessly to make changes and get the changes merged into our device/kernel trees to get CM 10.1 built and IMO running nicely, there would be alot of positive feedback and alot of understanding from the community that there may be little issues here and there since not everything was completely merged in on the CM side, but that was not the case as everyone expects perfection right and nothing else. Anyways, with that said, Building CM10 was becoming more of a job instead of something fun that i loved to do. And believe me... I havent had nearly enough donations to be ok with considering this a job... Nor do i expect alot of donations and for those of you who have supported me, I greatly appreciate it. I WILL CONTINUE to build CM10 and posting new builds on my goo page found HERE. I will not however be unlocking the CM10 thread. So... If you like my work and like my builds, keep an eye on my goo page and download when you are notified there is an update. If you like the build, great... if not, flash something else.
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As im sure most of you all know, I have locked the Unofficial CM10 thread. It isnt because of one person or one event, but something that has been coming for a long time. I have been stressing myself with this build and making sure that everyone was happy and doing pretty much everything i could do, but it didnt seem to be enough. While i appreciate the feedback, it is very disappointing to release cm10.1 when pretty much no other phones have released it (due to the lack of source merged and changes necessary for jellybean 4.2.1) and have nothing but post after post of this doesnt work and this doesnt look right and this is running horrible and blah blah blah even after i made it absolutely clear time after time that there may be issues since there is alot of source changes that are missing. You would think that since i took the time to merge the needed changes and work tirelessly to make changes and get the changes merged into our device/kernel trees to get CM 10.1 built and IMO running nicely, there would be alot of positive feedback and alot of understanding from the community that there may be little issues here and there since not everything was completely merged in on the CM side, but that was not the case as everyone expects perfection right and nothing else. Anyways, with that said, Building CM10 was becoming more of a job instead of something fun that i loved to do. And believe me... I havent had nearly enough donations to be ok with considering this a job... Nor do i expect alot of donations and for those of you who have supported me, I greatly appreciate it. I WILL CONTINUE to build CM10 and posting new builds on my goo page found HERE. I will not however be unlocking the CM10 thread. So... If you like my work and like my builds, keep an eye on my goo page and download when you are notified there is an update. If you like the build, great... if not, flash something else.
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you have a charachter flaw. you're a people pleaser. once you get over that and become a true asshole you will be much happier in life.
Dani897 said:
you have a charachter flaw. you're a people pleaser. once you get over that and become a true asshole you will be much happier in life.
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Lol! So true!
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Just wanted to put my two cents in...I've been an avid user of the roms from this site for quite awhile now & have never felt the need to register because any issues I've ever had,I've been able to rectify with some searching or have been on roms that have clearly stated they were beta's & expected to have flaws. That being said...after watching what happened on your infuse board, I just wanted to let you know the fact that you're continuing to develop & keep our phones updated with the best features gave me the first true reason to register so I could say thanks...
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Thank You.
I don't blame Scott for having the thread closed, not one bit.
And Dani is correct, Scott's character flaw is only that he's missing the "asshole" gene that some tend to have.
Now on to the good part...
I'm getting back into the swing of things as far as porting and development goes. My first attempt is going to be a nearly pure AOSP build using Aries repos and some Maguro/Takju code base, with parts from the most recent CM10.1 base. I have an idea of what I want to incorporate, but it should be light and clean, with a smooth interface.
Scott, I will be in touch with you shortly on this, as I need to finish and finalize my SDK installs and get everything going correctly for a first build.
Just checked Scotts goo link. Can I safely assume the development continues? If so hallelujah the infuse lives on.
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Most of the people that posted just wanted insight on their issues. Personally, I posted there because I felt I wasn't getting any response in the Q&A thread.
I think we should learn from the miscommunication.
One of the bigger problems we faced was that the build thread was the most responsive place to get an answer, and the bugs people had weren't clearly documented somewhere (you can't tell someone to search 500+ pages, find a bug, match it to their build, etc) so they could find and know NOT to post about it.
Going forward, maybe we can have:
Build thread- keep updated on the status of the build
Bug thread- to review / report the current build bugs
Q&A thread- how do I rotate the screen, why is this doing that, etc
Thoughts?
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Most of the people that posted just wanted insight on their issues. Personally, I posted there because I felt I wasn't getting any response in the Q&A thread.
I think we should learn from the miscommunication.
One of the bigger problems we faced was that the build thread was the most responsive place to get an answer, and the bugs people had weren't clearly documented somewhere (you can't tell someone to search 500+ pages, find a bug, match it to their build, etc) so they could find and know NOT to post about it.
Going forward, maybe we can have:
Build thread- keep updated on the status of the build
Bug thread- to review / report the current build bugs
Q&A thread- how do I rotate the screen, why is this doing that, etc
Thoughts?
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But Scott specifically asked multiple times not to post bugs on the 4.2/cm10.1 releases due to the fact that source is still being merged -cm said themselves that the 4.2 code would be buggy and that you probably wouldn't be able to build anything with it...for the most part Scott proved both of those wrong
However I do like the idea of the three threads
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Just checked Scotts goo link. Can I safely assume the development continues? If so hallelujah the infuse lives on.
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I WILL CONTINUE to build CM10 and posting new builds on my goo page found HERE. I will not however be unlocking the CM10 thread. So... If you like my work and like my builds, keep an eye on my goo page and download when you are notified there is an update. If you like the build, great... if not, flash something else.
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Yes, he will keep developing, but don't expect to see updates on this forum, which is a shame. His CM10 thread was actually the only reason I got on XDA.
Thanks for the update, Scott. Don't let the drama llamas get you down
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Most of the people that posted just wanted insight on their issues. Personally, I posted there because I felt I wasn't getting any response in the Q&A thread.
I think we should learn from the miscommunication.
One of the bigger problems we faced was that the build thread was the most responsive place to get an answer, and the bugs people had weren't clearly documented somewhere (you can't tell someone to search 500+ pages, find a bug, match it to their build, etc) so they could find and know NOT to post about it.
Going forward, maybe we can have:
Build thread- keep updated on the status of the build
Bug thread- to review / report the current build bugs
Q&A thread- how do I rotate the screen, why is this doing that, etc
Thoughts?
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For the most part I agree with you. Its why I probably pissed a bunch of people off defending the late comers and those that just don't know about logcats and such.
However, it was stated multiple times by not just Scott but the more senior and knowledgeable members that the 4.2 was going to have problems.
I agree searching through 1000 plus posts can be a daunting task and maybe I just don't have a life but I've done it for every ICS/JB rom I've flashed.. But I was there at the beginning of that development so it made it easier. But you didn't have to read more than 2 pages between warnings for the 4.2.
I'm on Scott's side on this one.
If nothing else click on the op's profile and just read all their posts.
Personally I think only devs should be allowed to post on a dev thread but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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I agree. I think there should be a minimum post count of 100 and a requirement to agree to a separate 'contract' to post in dev. threads. I read dev threads to find out what's going on in development not the rubbish that appears in most dev threads. The infuse forums have been fairly tolerant of this kind of thing. Other forums on xda, much less so.
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Changelog
I think another part of the problem is that very little actual development discussion happens here. It seems that people release their stuff here, and respond to bug reports, but that's about it. You can learn a lot about Linux by reading the archives of the Linux Kernel Mailing List (LKML). It's not quite the same situation here, learning about android is much harder (i have yet to find an android equivalent for the LKML)
Anyway, Thanks for continuing development! Will you be posting a change log between releases? I just like to know what I'm flashing ahead of time
Thanks,
woody
Scotts just released CM10.1 on goomanager 12/10 build go check it out
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Scott,
Glad to see you will be still be developing. Will there be some type of change log somewhere that we can view? I agree with some of the past. 500 pages of posts to read/search is alot. possibly a better brake down would have keep people posting in the correct places. Also with the 4.2 merge MY opionion would have been to make a separate thread as the last 4.1.2 was stable and really usable as its still my current daily. If the items arent merged maybe it isnt a good idea to even make a realease unless its to a few beta testers. That way 100s of people dont whine and complain about known or dumb issues.
Either way keeep up the good work.
Not sure how it would be accomplished, but a good idea would be to remove all posts from the cm10 thread and only scott could post in it (updates/changelog).
I have no idea how feasible that would be though.
Many thanks to scott
Hi scott, I never felt the need to comment in your thread because I never had any problems with your ROM.
But now I feel the need to comment here to express my gratitude for all the hard work that you have put into this ROM.
Your ROM is the first one that I tried, and also the best one I've seen/used. I'm VERY glad that you will continue your work for the Infuse.
Again, I thank you for your work, and I will be looking forward to future updates!
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His CM10 thread was actually the only reason I got on XDA.
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hovin1988 said:
Hi scott, I never felt the need to comment in your thread because I never had any problems with your ROM.
But now I feel the need to comment here to express my gratitude for all the hard work that you have put into this ROM.
Your ROM is the first one that I tried, and also the best one I've seen/used. I'm VERY glad that you will continue your work for the Infuse.
Again, I thank you for your work, and I will be looking forward to future updates!
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I generally just read through the thread reading peoples issues if i ran into one rather than post. Issues were always sorted out if i kept reading. But thanks for all your hard work in creating roms, I know i'd be really bad off without them :good:
I think the communication and forum issues are simply a result of using a forum for "developer collaboration". Then to top it off, many are using tapatalk, which has the most useless search feature ever. I've heard the argument that a proper browser should be used, but many just won't.
As long as a forum is used for xda development, it will continue to be more like a ROM forum than anything else intended without ridiculous amounts of moderation (even judicious use of temp bans without warning).
Forums are good for arguing lol. Bugtrackers are good for tracking bugs, especially since they are easy to police. If you want feedback as well, make a special category for that. Duplicates and invalid reports can be easily identified and marked as such. For all other forums(general, q&a, accessories, etc.) a forum makes sense to me. For the development forum, a forum, IMO, makes little sense.
If the forum format is used in order to foster community, fine. You can expect a lot of drama, arguing, complaining, and everything else that goes along with it.
Just my opinion. I could be completely wrong.
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Coming from being an iPhone fanboy, I was well aware of the snooty attitudes that are rampant over there. Now that I have a taste of the Android side, I have learned a few things, some the hard way, and one thing I've noticed is how the attitudes are much the same. I have met some cool people with some great ideas and skills, and there are even a few that will answer questions. I get that some get annoyed at the asking of the same questions over and over. However, as a Dev, you should be expecting this. As Android takes more and more market share, new people are coming into this (like me) and trying to learn as much as we can. Some want simple answers, some want more complicated ones. I did a lot of the research myself, watching videos, Google searches, etc. But some people don't know how to, or just aren't computer literate.
XDA is a GREAT resource for information. But like other sites, sometimes you have to word your searches just right or you get nothing close to what you are trying to find out. Not the site's fault, it's just the way search engines are. So a hoard of people head into the threads, asking questions, and mostly getting good answers, But, as I have trolled through, I notice a lot of attitudes coming from devs, or friends of devs as they attack people because they didn't have 4 hours to troll though 500 pages in a thread, reading each and every post. Hoping their question was asked and answered before. If that makes you angry, maybe you should just make your ROMs and share them with a few friends and call it a day. From what I can see, most of the ROMs are pretty much the same in a lot of respects. I know the difference between TW ROMs and AOSP ROMs. I did the homework. I learned the hard way by soft bricking my phone, and I researched and got myself out of that jam thanks to the videos and postings of some nice people. There are a lot of people that don't have the PC skills or the time to do that. And even more that have no idea about message boards and how they work. BTW, the term "flaming" someone is as irritating to me as those people that ask the same questions over and over are to you. This is almost 2013. Terms like that are the exact reason I hate having to use message boards. Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you are. It doesn't mean they are dumb, they just don't want to learn, or they don't have the time.
I guess I'm trying to say, if you are going to put yourself out there by developing a ROM for free, and then complain because someone asks you a question or bugs you because you haven't updated it, maybe you should just all start charging for the ROMs. I will go back to stock myself, but I'm sure there are a few that will pay to have a few extras a little ahead of time. Then your base will shrink, allowing you to breathe easier knowing you are getting paid for your time. Maybe then, you will have to be a little nicer, more customer friendly. If you don't think you are getting the recognition you deserve, then don't do it. I know many would miss the customization, but they would quickly forget about it and find something else to do. And by the way, I have never had an issue like this. I'm strictly speaking from an observers point of view. Matter of fact, I may start doing some reviews, that will include not only the ROM itself, but the developers attitude when it comes to helping people through their issues. I think people should have the right to know if they are going to get help or not when choosing a ROM or other custom feature.
In closing, a lot of questions could be answered if some threads were created and "stickied" that explain the basic functions and directions dealing with flashing ROMs. It seems a lot of the "bugs" people experience are actually explainable because they had no clue what a clean flash vs dirty flashing was. Or that if you had Nova on one ROM, then flashed another ROM and Nova auto installed along with your other apps, that you would have to uninstall Nova to avoid problems. Or that CM kernels are not compatible with TW kernels and if the new ROM you are flashing doesn't install a new kernel, your new ROM may not be compatible with the one left behind form the old. Stuff like that. Sorry for the long post. Again, I have had no problems with anyone on here, dev or not, I just have seen a lot of this happening. And a lot of the attitudes are from dumb little things. You wanted to make ROMs, we all didn't force you to. And if you stop, others will take your place. I have seen that recently too, as soon as the new Nexus hit, a ton of devs left the SGS3 in the dust. But a few new guys showed up and have done a great job with their stuff. Congrats to them, I have found a good stable ROM because of this, and have received great support from this guy. He also regularly updates and interacts with the people taking the time to possibly brick their device to load his ROM. I hope more of those people show up in the future. Those are the people I will keep following and being patient with.
Most people usually help out, some don't. I just have a problem with developers thinking their **** don't stink as you'll learn if you venture out of this forum.
This thread is kinda out of line. Devs deliver us ROMs for free, who's to say what's expected and what's not? The only thing XDA requires devs to do is make their process or code open source, that's it. Devs aren't customer service reps, nor do they have to answer questions and play nice. They are doing us a favor by releasing the latest and the greatest bottom line. If your going to run a ROM, you should read the entire thread because there may be things you have to do, and if it weren't for people asking the same question over and over, threads would be half as long. If you dont have the time or the patience to do the research, you shouldn't be modding your device to begin with.
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Most people usually help out, some don't. I just have a problem with developers thinking their **** don't stink as you'll learn if you venture out of this forum.
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Yes, that does seem to be an issue. I notice too that the Original Android Devs are a little more snooty than the TW devs. Just my observation.
Do you honestly blame them? If they are going to spend hours and hours of their time coding, learning, and releasing ROMs for you, for free, and on top of it have you spend 10 mins maybe searching for an answer and then bothering them? I honestly don't blame them.
I've spent hours breaking things just to figure out how they work. Flashing things over and over and over again.
I wouldn't want to do that for hours on end, to have someone spend 10 mins, give up, and cry to me for help, then get mad when I didn't hand them the answer.
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This thread is kinda out of line. Devs deliver us ROMs for free, who's to say what's expected and what's not? The only thing XDA requires devs to do is make their process or code open source, that's it. Devs aren't customer service reps, nor do they have to answer questions and play nice. They are doing us a favor by releasing the latest and the greatest bottom line. If your going to run a ROM, you should read the entire thread because there may be things you have to do, and if it weren't for people asking the same question over and over, threads would be half as long. If you dont have the time or the patience to do the research, you shouldn't be modding your device to begin with.
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You're right, they do deliver them for free. But people are trusting them and risking bricking a very expensive device to try their ROM and push their ROMs on other people. They willingly put themselves out there. We all could buy and use phones without customizing them. I'm just saying they act a little too fancy sometimes. Not all of them. Just a few.
Why is this out of line? I posted this in the general section. If I would have posted it anywhere else you would have said it should be in the General forum. See, you made one of my points for me. And last time I checked, I can say whatever I want. If the forum wants to cut it, fine. I'll deal with it on my outlet. No big deal.
Not going to lie, I think Android fanboys are worse than Apple fanboys from what I've seen. I was on a YouTube channel where a woman was talking about how she got an iPhone after selling her Galaxy Nexus and the comments were, "Go kill yourself iwhore", "Traitor sheep", "iSlut", Dumb bimbo etc. The most I see on Mac rumors are "poorphone" or no apps, or cheap looking. Whereas here, if you say iPhone you'll have a ton of people start calling you a sheep. I don't know, I think its incredible how ignorant some people are. Some people just like other things.
Galaxy SIII/Soon to be Note 2 owner once it comes in ftw.
Oh as an edit. That Instagram thing was awful a few months back when Android got instagram. iOS users were saying, "Oh now we get to see what poor people do" Terrible. Simply terrible.
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Do you honestly blame them? If they are going to spend hours and hours of their time coding, learning, and releasing ROMs for you, for free, and on top of it have you spend 10 mins maybe searching for an answer and then bothering them? I honestly don't blame them.
I've spent hours breaking things just to figure out how they work. Flashing things over and over and over again.
I wouldn't want to do that for hours on end, to have someone spend 10 mins, give up, and cry to me for help, then get mad when I didn't hand them the answer.
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I doubt people are giving up in 10 minutes and running for the forums. Most people don't want to risk any of this to possibly ruin their expensive phones. The point is, they put themselves out there and make themselves available on the forums. If they don't want to deal with noobs (which every one of you was at one time or another) then throw up a ROM on some site and leave it. I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I figured out a lot on my own too. I have asked very few questions of anyone. But there are a lot of people that don't have the time or knowledge to find all this out on their own. If they are being asked the same question over and over, maybe put those answers in the OP to begin with. I have seen quite a few ROMs posted with very little info in the OPs. They aer banking on everyone knowing what they are doing right off the bat.
And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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This. This is the cancer invading xda lately. Ungrateful ****s...
my tapatalk signature sucks more than yours.
RCITNet said:
And lets really clear some things up. Some of these "Devs" aren't really developing anything. They have the time and/or patience and utilize the kitchen to strip down a stock rom. They throw in some mods that real devs made and slap their name on it. Then ask for donations like they just did something incredible. I've tried just about every modified stock rom on xda and there was really no difference. And God forbid someone has anything negative to say about a rom.
And in regards to the aosp devs, if they dont want to be asked questions or don't want their work criticized they shouldn't be making roms for the public. This forum is filled with smart asses that think everyone should know what they know. Everyone at one point had to ask someone else for help because how else do you learn.
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That is why they are guides and info posted in op if bugs and such?
I sure did not post here when I was rooting oh I need some help with adb fastboot Odin what's the problem there are plenty of guides that cover everything
People just tend to give up so easily; that's how lazy the generation has become. Those guides posted helped me out and such. I didn't ask someone else for helped I did this on my own with a guide up on here now I know more than just rudimentary things of the android world I help people out but still gets annoying when you have 5 if the same threads I mean if I could find them why can't they? It's really not that hard.
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This thread is getting heated I see a monitor locking it soon
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As someone buying a G1 and not even knowing what rooting was, I have no sympathy for the winers. I soft bricked, got almost no sleep reading up on recovering it, and I never once posted a question. Now I'm flashing/recovering/restoring any device I want.
The devs spend countless hours working on making roms and apps for us, the least you could do is research (hours if necessary) before asking the same questions that have been answered previously. If you can't handle common sense tasks then a) don't root or flash b) stay with your iPhone
Not trying to rip anyone, but this is a pointless thread Imo.
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As someone buying a G1 and not even knowing what rooting was, I have no sympathy for the winers. I soft bricked, got almost no sleep reading up on recovering it, and I never once posted a question. Now I'm flashing/recovering/restoring any device I want.
The devs spend countless hours working on making roms and apps for us, the least you could do is research (hours if necessary) before asking the same questions that have been answered previously. If you can't handle common sense tasks then a) don't root or flash b) stay with your iPhone
Not trying to rip anyone, but this is a pointless thread Imo.
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Endorsed.
Replace G1 with D1 and that's my story. I googled. I bricked. I bricked a lot. And I read. End of story.
You make it seem like phone tinkering and flashing are a right, a service if you will. It's not. This is a site for phone geeks to share their work. You should be grateful it's not a paid service. Why fix something that's not broken? If you don't like the way it is, you have plenty of options out there. You are complaining about forums in general - it's not limited to xda.
For the record, your post was pretty good until the last paragraph. Didn't agree with that one, however - that's Ok. Your opinion. Just like this is mine...
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I do have to add though that out of like the 15 touchwiz stock ROMs out there, most of them are the same. And personally I think dev's should accept and take in whatever criticism they get for their ROM. As constructive criticism, so they can make their ROM better.
If they have no desire to make it better, then they should outright say their will only be one release. If they feel someone is being disrespectful, they should be the better person and tell them politely to not be so disrespectful. Just my opinion, and yes I am grateful for all the devs do here.
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I do have to add though that out of like the 15 touchwiz stock ROMs out there, most of them are the same. And personally I think dev's should accept and take in whatever criticism they get for their ROM. As constructive criticism, so they can make their ROM better.
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Constructive criticism is fine. What's annoying (even from a non-dev perspective) is the same question getting asked over and over again. Sometimes a dead horse is kicked up for 4-5 pages. Then once it finally dies down, some dude asks the same question. It's silly and unnecessary. If they Google their question followed by ", xda" they would have found the original answer.
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First, I have no problems with XDA. That wasn;t the intention. XDA provides a great service to people who want to customize their phone AND devs that want to put their work out there.
Second, if you feel like this thread is useless, why are you spending the time to respond?
Third, the statement I made wasn't a slam on anyone. I am well aware of people that are too lazy to search things out for themselves. The point I was making, is we need each other. If we refuse to tinker with our phones, the devs are essentially doing this for themselves and a few friends that want to join in. If they aren't creating ROMs, we don't have a way to customize our phones. However, we can get along without each other too. I know if the ROMs weren't there, I would still enjoy the use of my smartphone. If we weren't downloading, devs would still tinker with building ROMs. The whole issue is how we treat each other on ANY forum. If you are getting asked the same questions over and over, maybe a the first post should be updated with those Q&A's. I have seen very few OPs do that. In fact, a majority of the AOSP threads have nothing at all posted regarding issues or potential problems. They just expect everyone to know everything. Everybody learned from somebody else. Whether it was through Google search, this forum or YouTube videos. MOST of the people complaining about the same questions being asked have very little info on their thread.
Again, props to those devs that don't mind helping people out. And props to XDA for providing the forum. The rest should put up pay sites maybe, but their ROM downloads would quickly fall. I have enjoyed my experience thus far tinkering around with something new. But the few in the community that whine about people asking questions should settle down and realize how you act. That goes for the "customer" that can't ask nicely too. I'm not anti-dev. I get what they do is tough and time consuming.
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First, I have no problems with XDA. That wasn;t the intention. XDA provides a great service to people who want to customize their phone AND devs that want to put their work out there.
Second, if you feel like this thread is useless, why are you spending the time to respond?
Third, the statement I made wasn't a slam on anyone. I am well aware of people that are too lazy to search things out for themselves. The point I was making, is we need each other. If we refuse to tinker with our phones, the devs are essentially doing this for themselves and a few friends that want to join in. If they aren't creating ROMs, we don't have a way to customize our phones. However, we can get along without each other too. I know if the ROMs weren't there, I would still enjoy the use of my smartphone. If we weren't downloading, devs would still tinker with building ROMs. The whole issue is how we treat each other on ANY forum. If you are getting asked the same questions over and over, maybe a the first post should be updated with those Q&A's. I have seen very few OPs do that. In fact, a majority of the AOSP threads have nothing at all posted regarding issues or potential problems. They just expect everyone to know everything. Everybody learned from somebody else. Whether it was through Google search, this forum or YouTube videos. MOST of the people complaining about the same questions being asked have very little info on their thread.
Again, props to those devs that don't mind helping people out. And props to XDA for providing the forum. The rest should put up pay sites maybe, but their ROM downloads would quickly fall. I have enjoyed my experience thus far tinkering around with something new. But the few in the community that whine about people asking questions should settle down and realize how you act. That goes for the "customer" that can't ask nicely too. I'm not anti-dev. I get what they do is tough and time consuming.
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We spend time to respond to actually have you realize no one is gna be here all the time for you some things you have to be done by themselves, I'm 16 I wonder when you'll realize that. No one is gna be up your ass changing your clothes for you either learn the hard way or just not at all.
I have seen multiple threads of people complaining that their data is gone on cm10.1 and not one has bothered to even look at the op's post clearly showing the way to fix it. They just want the easy way out to ask and have someone redirect them there and I have but it gets tiring doing it over and over and over again.
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Despite me being new to XDA I am not new to the process of rooting android phones. I have been rooting other people's phones before I bought the Galaxy S 3. I don't ask questions in forums I research my own answers to my questions. I noticed the same things as the person who started this thread I just don't see the point in bringing it up as it will continue to happen.
Unlike all the badass geniuses in here I have asked questions since I got my first smartphone less than a month ago.
I think it's pretty stupid how people think they're so cool because they figured out how to root, there are so many details in rooting/flashing ROMs and kernels and these high end smart phones are very expensive especially now because of the **** economy, people just don't want to brick they're phones they invested so much in.
People aren't supposed to know all the bugs in a new ROM they flashed and you guys are giving this "issue" too much priority.
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