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I currently own the Sony Ericson Xperia x10a and tbh with the work of a few devs here at XDA have turned that phone into something extrodinary even though they still havnt managed to crack the bootloader. Mine runs on Android 2.3 and is blazing fast and beats even the Nexus 2.2 on Quadrant Scores.. I run a Linpak of 41 MFLOPS.
My question to the HTC guys is this. Apparently RoM development and debranding / rooting of HTC phones seem to be more indepth then what i am used to. SE has a flash tool that will Root / Flash any custom rom with the easiest of ease lol. Along with xrecovery its extremely simple.
Overall I guess I am wondering if this phone is worth it. How hard will it be to cook up roms and tweek boot.log files to speed this phone up. Is the processor over clockable or is it not completely rooted yet. Do you think HTC and ATT will actualy continue to update the software on this phone or will it fall to the wayside like soo many other ATT phones have.
It is gonna take some reading and browsing to understand how HTC phones work compared to SE but I think I can do it, just curiouse to know if its gonna be worth the trouble.

If ATT decides not to update this phone beyond Froyo then you will still have CyanogenMod7 with Gingerbread.

This phone has been out for less than a week. Source hasn't dropped yet.
HTC phones are quite popular with developers and HTC doesn't discourage development like Sony and Motorola seem to.
I moved to the Inspire from the Captivate for this very reason.
Since this phone is identical in almost every way to the European Desire HD, once we get Kernel Source, porting stuff from that phone to this one will be trivial.
One Click Root hasn't been found yet, but I'm not sure it exists on any 2.2.1 Android device.(I could be wrong about that I haven't investigated it).
To sum up, this is a great phone to get if you are into tweaking and custom roms.

Hey gunny. Super one click works on some 2.2.1 phones with the psneuter exploit.
And to the op the Inspire is an amazing phone. There's no one click root but its not terribly difficult to root and in the coming weeks I'm sure well see some amazing stuff come down the pipeline.
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Please say we can use this yo option!!!

I REALLY HOPE THIS CAN BE PORTED http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050106

What exactly is this?....Never mind! But that sounds like a good idea...

What says the Almighty Faux?
We humbly await the masters opinion.
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a kernel -.- we have plenty bro

808prettyboy808 said:
What exactly is this?
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It's a hacked kernel from Desire S made to work with Desire HD. I have my own hacked version of Desire S kernel a few weeks ago already (just ask Option94, I had him test it for me briefly), I don't have a spare phone to test it on (I can't test on my own phone, my only line to the outside world). Even if my own version had worked, we still have an issue with full compatibility with Sense 2.1.
Desire HD had a 2.1 GB Sense leak, so they could leach the USER SPACE drivers from the leak but they were missing the matching kernel. Now with this kernel hack, they have BOTH the Kernel space driver and user space driver to properly make Sense 2.1 work on their phone.
Problem with our phone is the T-Mobile's MySense.... We are totally screwed by this. We are MISSING both the Kernel and User space drivers (and we will NOT have any leak to leach from except the official GB release for our phone ) Even when GB version of MySense is out, we will still have funny compatibility issues when trying to run ported GB pure Sense 2.1 on our phone. We will NEVER have 100% working pure Sense anything on our phone
That's why when Sensation is out, I am moving to that phone, it has pure Sense on it...

alfadog77 said:
a kernel -.- we have plenty bro
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It's for 2.1 sense
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Yea.. ill definitely be on the sensation bandwagon as well. That phone looks awesome.
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Oh, I just remembered about some rumor that a Canadian provider is getting Glacier clone but with PURE GB SENSE on it.... If the rumor is true, that will be the only salvation for our phone to run 100% compatible pure sense on it... I hope it's true, but I am not sure how reliable the rumor is...

faux123 said:
Problem with our phone is the T-Mobile's MySense.... We are totally screwed by this. We are MISSING both the Kernel and User space drivers (and we will NOT have any leak to leach from except the official GB release for our phone ) Even when GB version of MySense is out, we will still have funny compatibility issues when trying to run ported GB pure Sense 2.1 on our phone. We will NEVER have 100% working pure Sense anything on our phone
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Well, that sucks. I thought that when the GB OTA update for the MT4G came out, that we'd have all we need when it comes to kernel development.
What about Canada's Emerald? It's the same phone as the MT4G, and is supposed to come out with Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 (REAL Sense). Wouldn't that help us?

Urrrrrrrrrrrrr #[email protected]?%$ T-Mobile and their stupid Mysense...sorry everyone i really thought this would've been the answer to all our Gingersense prayers

TeeJay3800 said:
What about Canada's Emerald? It's the same phone as the MT4G, and is supposed to come out with Gingerbread/Sense 2.1 (REAL Sense). Wouldn't that help us?
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That's actually what faux is talking about in regards to the rumors, so yeah it is true that Canada is getting an MT4G with Gingerbread out of the box. T-Mobile fail?
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/04/11/mobilicity-to-bring-on-the-htc-emerald-mid-may/
And I'd have to agree, I love my MT4G but the Sensation is where it's at. I'm just hoping that the bootloader isn't going to be locked or I'll be picking up the G2X instead.

Problem is most of will probably move to the sensation the HTC emerald comes out in june. We will most likely get a dumped in mid-may. If the rumors are true.
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Killbynature said:
Problem is most of will probably move to the sensation the HTC emerald comes out in june. We will most likely get a dumped in mid-may. If the rumors are true.
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I wouldn't say most. Phones are expensive and anyone with a MT4G has only had it for 5 months at the most. I would like the Sensation, but having spent $450 on the MT4G in early November, spending another nearly $500 just a few months later isn't something I'll be doing.

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I wouldn't say most. Phones are expensive and anyone with a MT4G has only had it for 5 months at the most. I would like the Sensation, but having spent $450 on the MT4G in early November, spending another nearly $500 just a few months later isn't something I'll be doing.
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I'm going to sell this one most likely do the installment plan with my upgrade. Sensation probably be my last phone for awhile since I'm skipping quadcore. I have a g2x slightly lcd bleeding and a gslate. Both good devices but not something I'm interested in. When the iPhone 5 comes out Im buy two of them just to sell it on eBay for a ridiculous price.

The rumour is the HTC glacier will be released on Moblicity in Canada as a 2.3 pure sense device. It will be called the HTC emerald. I have only seen one article and it didn't look too promising, but I hope it's true!

Linky: http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/04/11/mobilicity-to-bring-on-the-htc-emerald-mid-may/

+1 for this! Keeping my fingers crossed..
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faux123 said:
It's a hacked kernel from Desire S made to work with Desire HD. I have my own hacked version of Desire S kernel a few weeks ago already (just ask Option94, I had him test it for me briefly), I don't have a spare phone to test it on (I can't test on my own phone, my only line to the outside world). Even if my own version had worked, we still have an issue with full compatibility with Sense 2.1.
Desire HD had a 2.1 GB Sense leak, so they could leach the USER SPACE drivers from the leak but they were missing the matching kernel. Now with this kernel hack, they have BOTH the Kernel space driver and user space driver to properly make Sense 2.1 work on their phone.
Problem with our phone is the T-Mobile's MySense.... We are totally screwed by this. We are MISSING both the Kernel and User space drivers (and we will NOT have any leak to leach from except the official GB release for our phone ) Even when GB version of MySense is out, we will still have funny compatibility issues when trying to run ported GB pure Sense 2.1 on our phone. We will NEVER have 100% working pure Sense anything on our phone
That's why when Sensation is out, I am moving to that phone, it has pure Sense on it...
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Im waiting for the sensation also...I heard that g2x does not support att quadband...Im hope the sensation will...

808prettyboy808 said:
Im waiting for the sensation also...I heard that g2x does not support att quadband...Im hope the sensation will...
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Thing is it might be there if we get a at&t radio and a different base band. Tmobile is ran as an independent company. Till the merger goes through or till it doesn't. Never said it did support the bands on at&t but it was advertise on the box.

T-mobile already admited that if the merger goes through the g2x will not be able to run on at&t network...check it out at tmonews.com...

Samsunng Infuse 4g Android 4.0

Am I the only one thinking/hoping that we are getting Ice Cream Sandwich??? I mean it releases on October 11124 and we still don't have gingerbread you know? This is just hopeful thinking... it would be nice to have the absolute latest OS and features though
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Doubt it. We'll probably get Ginger in a week or two and come next year sometime, we'll get icecream.maybe.
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Nah... ATT is just slow.

Thumb rule: We are always a release behind

I don't mean to be pessimistic but that sounds very unlikely.
Maybe in the long run, but even that seems unlikely since new phones are coming out all the time.
Also, Samsung hasn't expressed much love for the Infuse so I doubt they would spend much time making an official ICS ROM for it.

bscotth said:
I don't mean to be pessimistic but that sounds very unlikely.
Maybe in the long run, but even that seems unlikely since new phones are coming out all the time.
Also, Samsung hasn't expressed much love for the Infuse so I doubt they would spend much time making an official ICS ROM for it.
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Yea I see what you're saying but I mean something should click in there heads to update a great phone with great firmware, jus makes it better...
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Chances of ICS on the Infuse - extremely slim.
They're pretty good for the GSII though.

Just hope for a leak.

KingVekxin said:
Yea I see what you're saying but I mean something should click in there heads to update a great phone with great firmware, jus makes it better...
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It's all about marketing man. Update a phone less, spend money advertising for a better phone (SGSII) and finally get a higher return in $.
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Hell no...
Ex captivate owners will tell you...
People forget that the captivate came with eclair and that gingerbread was released before the captivate even got froyo...
No we will not get ice cream sandwich before gingerbread ...
Sent from my Samsung Infuse 4G - 1.6ghz

I read a lot of places, sorry i do not have the links, that once they have it, it should work with anything, just the software mods itself when it is installed on the phone/tablet/computer (if they make any). It sounds pretty out there, but it is nice to dream. If it would work, then the only updates that the phones would need from the carriers/manufacturers are the modems and kernels.

I would say yes way down the line but the sgs2 is gonna get all the love
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I took the OP as are we gonna see 4.0 before 2.3.....and that answer is a big fat no....
Are we gonna get ICS at some point? Probably ...
Sent from my Samsung Infuse 4G - 1.6ghz

im probably wrong, but im for sure i read somewhere saying that ICS was gunna be an operating system that was like for all android phones? what i mean is that ICS is gunna be one platform for all android phones like iOS for the iphone. idk

Who cares..., am I the only one who thinks that AAAALLLLL the OS's look the freaking Sam with a different number? Its like with my infuse when we went from froyo to "gingerbread" the only real advantage I noticed was a couple of features added, like tthe FRONT facing camera working with Skype, and other silly stuff like that. For instance, MIUI is a whole new beast on its own but speed dial option is eluding me lol
I guess I'm more or less rudely asking for a bonus feature list from ICS.
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The Infuse is the new Optimus, aka poor mans smart phone. I had a customer tell me today he wouldnt give 2 squirts of piss for the Infuse, that pretty much sums it up.

steezinstangl said:
im probably wrong, but im for sure i read somewhere saying that ICS was gunna be an operating system that was like for all android phones? what i mean is that ICS is gunna be one platform for all android phones like iOS for the iphone. idk
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"all" in the generic sense - instead of having 2.x for phones and 3.x for tablets, 4.0 will support both phones and tablets.
However, every device that Android runs on needs customizations specific to the hardware. In many cases, those hardware drivers/libraries are closed source so it's not easy to port them unless the manufacturer does.
"all" in this case means a manufacturer can do a device bringup of 4.x on a tablet or a phone. But someone still needs to do the device bringup, and on a device with lots of closed-source proprietary bits, device bringup can be difficult if not impossible. Look at the state of CM7 for example - it didn't really get off the ground until Rogers released Gingerbread because the Froyo libraries weren't compatible with Gingerbread, and even with the Rogers proprietary bits, some things still don't work.

If it comes to the Infuse it won't be before May. Probably closer to a year from now.
The joys of fragmentation.
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Icecream Sandwick
I want icecream but For now I think i am going to stick to dlev rom cause it runs great.

Patience...it's coming
Alot of people don't really understand the process of releasing an OS update for an android. From what I can gather, Google releases the OS to the manufacturers which then tailor it to the individual phones. Then they release it to the providers (AT&T, Sprint etc.) which tailor it to their network and pollute it with bloatware. When they're sure it's somewhat error free, they release it to us.
AT&T for example, is frantically trying to finish their version, but they obviously have an issue or two...or twenty...who knows. They have to finish it, compile it, then do test updates, then test the updates and pray it worked. It takes time. I am far from patient so I already installed the GB 2.3.5 leak and can honestly say it's a major improvement. Bluetooth works better, everything is faster, and those annoying lags whenever you do a level 2 memory clear or detach the USB are fixed. But the leak has its issues, so I'm giving AT&T the benefit of the doubt and waiting to see if the mid October release actually happens. But since they lied and failed to deliver in September, I'm not holding my breath.
As far as ICS is concerned, I doubt AT&T has even had a chance to look at it yet. I would be amazed if we saw it this time next year. But we will get it. LOTS of people have the Infuse so it's not going to be left out or treated like a forgotten step-child like some people claim. It's a great phone with one of the nicest, biggest displays you can get, and it runs anything you throw at it even with its single core processor. What makes the Infuse bad is forcing it to run on AT&T.

Annoyed with HTC

Very p*ssed off with HTC
The Galaxy S original which is a 2 year old device is getting official ICS.
They weren't originally, but people begged Samsung and now they are getting it. This shows Samsung listens to customers.
They announced ICS for new devices 2 days ago, people complained, then today announce ICS for the original Galaxy S
Us? HTC announce the first waves many weeks ago. We pester HTC all the time but they never listen to us, no plans for the next wave yet.
Come on HTC! Desire S, HD and Incredible are all still new and capable!
I really hope they feel pressured by Samsung now and compete to release ICS for us.
Please share your opinions!
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olyloh6696 said:
Very p*ssed off with HTC
The Galaxy S original which is a 2 year old device is getting official ICS.
They weren't originally, but people begged Samsung and now they are getting it. This shows Samsung listens to customers.
They announced ICS for new devices 2 days ago, people complained, then today announce ICS.
Us? HTC announce the first waves many weeks ago. We pester HTC all the time but they never listen to us, no plans for the next wave yet.
Come on HTC! Desire S, HD and Incredible are all still new and capable!
I really hope they feel pressured by Samsung now and compete to release ICS for us.
Please share your opinions!
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Next time I'm due for an upgrade if HTC don't get their act together with software updates then I might just go elsewhere shame cos I really do like the hardware that comes in a htc
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+1 I like the great combination of hardware and software.
I don't mind if our ICS update will take a little longer, I know HTC will have to work to reskin the UI.
But at least let us know. It's been nearly 2 months now, and where is the 2nd wave of devices?
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Well... The Desire HD, Desire S, etc. are all FAIRLY old devices.
I never keep my electronic devices for more then a year (as I'm sure many here don't either) so I can't see it as a big deal.

Root, install miui. Problem solved.
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Maedhros said:
Well... The Desire HD, Desire S, etc. are all FAIRLY old devices.
I never keep my electronic devices for more then a year (as I'm sure many here don't either) so I can't see it as a big deal.
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Yeah, the DHD May be old..
But the Desire S and Incredible S certainly isn't!!
They were only released in April, 7-8 months old only! And they aren't getting updates?
I only included the DHD, as it has the same/similiar specs.
The new XL is getting ICS, but it has exactly the same hardware as the DHD, Desire S!! (Just a overclocked CPU)
Think about it, the Galaxy S, 2 YEARS OLD, is getting ICS!
And Desire S (7-8 MONTHS OLD) hasn't even been confirmed to get ICS yet!
Come on HTC!
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darkfayte said:
Root, install miui. Problem solved.
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I hate it when people say this
I am already rooted, and running a Sensation XL ROM sense 3.5.
I can easily choose and install A ICS ROM now. (In fact already tested it)
But its always better to get official support from HTC, so devs can work from our base, and we get a proper kernel source etc.
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olyloh6696 said:
I hate it when people say this
I am already rooted, and running a Sensation XL ROM sense 3.5.
I can easily choose and install A ICS ROM now. (In fact already tested it)
But its always better to get official support from HTC, so devs can work from our base, and we get a proper kernel source etc.
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True but HTC customer service sucks once you buy your device one way or another I will have ics running whether its cm9 ,official HTC or superkids ics
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At least they're not Motorola.
/end thread.
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-

At least this device has Cyanogen option, mine doesnt even have this option...

olyloh6696 said:
Very p*ssed off with HTC
The Galaxy S original which is a 2 year old device is getting official ICS.
They weren't originally, but people begged Samsung and now they are getting it. This shows Samsung listens to customers.
They announced ICS for new devices 2 days ago, people complained, then today announce ICS for the original Galaxy S
Us? HTC announce the first waves many weeks ago. We pester HTC all the time but they never listen to us, no plans for the next wave yet.
Come on HTC! Desire S, HD and Incredible are all still new and capable!
I really hope they feel pressured by Samsung now and compete to release ICS for us.
Please share your opinions!
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First I don't know from where you get that Samsung is updating the SGSI to ICS please give source.
All i know is that Samsung said that they'll update the Galaxy SII and the Note
will get ICS in Q1 where as the Galaxy R and galaxy Tabs(exclude the first gen) later and no mention what so ever about the Galaxy S!
Secondly HTC never said that they aren't updating the Desire S Incredible S (which are mid range devices) and Desire HD to ICS, they've said clearly that the phones presented on their release were the first bunch to get ICS, and of course the most recent phones would get ICS first, and HTC did a good job updating devices like the Desire HD, with 2 major updates : 2.2 to 2.3.3 and to 2.3.5 with sense 3.0!
Thirdly from what I've seen HTC is planing to update their devices to ICS before samsung does, the sensation is planed to get it ICS update on februrary where as the SGSII update planed for April.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/17/bell-mobility-hints-at-ice-cream-sandwich-release-dates-for-gala/
And fortly you'll get the ICS roms and HTC leaks in the XDA community before the OEMs release their official roms (requirements and approval process takes time) if you want ICS I'm sure you can already download beta ICS rom for your device

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First I don't know from where you get that Samsung is updating the SGSI to ICS please give source.
All i know is that Samsung said that they'll update the Galaxy SII and the Note
will get ICS in Q1 where as the Galaxy R and galaxy Tabs(exclude the first gen) later and no mention what so ever about the Galaxy S!
Secondly HTC never said that they aren't updating the Desire S Incredible S (which are mid range devices) and Desire HD to ICS, they've said clearly that the phones presented on their release were the first bunch to get ICS, and of course the most recent phones would get ICS first, and HTC did a good job updating devices like the Desire HD, with 2 major updates : 2.2 to 2.3.3 and to 2.3.5 with sense 3.5!
Thirdly from what I've seen HTC is planing to update their devices to ICS before samsung does, the sensation is planed to get it ICS update on februrary where as the SGSII update planed for April.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/17/bell-mobility-hints-at-ice-cream-sandwich-release-dates-for-gala/
And fortly you'll get the ICS roms and HTC leaks in the XDA community before the OEMs release their official roms (requirements and approval process takes time) if you want ICS I'm sure you can already download beta ICS rom for your device
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Hi,
I found this in the Galaxy S thread. People are talking about it
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...lans-for-GALAXY-line-Galaxy-S-to-follow-later
Actually looking back now, not too sure about its reliability.
Yes, Samsung originally announced ICS for the newer phnes 2 days ago.
Then customers complained. And 2 days later, Samsung listend and supposedly said a Galaxy S original update will be coming soon, but later.
I know Desire S etc are mid range phones - it is capable of ICS and only 8 months old.
As I have already said, there are betas for me, I've already tried them.
I won't be using the official ROM anyway, I just want htc to make the update.
As I said a few pages back, if htc make the update, our devs can tweak and base newer ROM versions on the new base and kernel, which is better than using a ROM port.
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olyloh6696 said:
Hi,
I found this in the Galaxy S thread. People are talking about it
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...lans-for-GALAXY-line-Galaxy-S-to-follow-later
Actually looking back now, not too sure about its reliability.
Yes, Samsung originally announced ICS for the newer phnes 2 days ago.
Then customers complained. And 2 days later, Samsung listend and supposedly said a Galaxy S original update will be coming soon, but later.
I know Desire S etc are mid range phones - it is capable of ICS and only 8 months old.
As I have already said, there are betas for me, I've already tried them.
I won't be using the official ROM anyway, I just want htc to make the update.
As I said a few pages back, if htc make the update, our devs can tweak and base newer ROM versions on the new base and kernel, which is better than using a ROM port.
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That source doesn't look reliable to me at all, I've checked all the well known sources, such as Androidcentral, engadget,theverge, andoirdpolice and of course our source n1 which is XDA and there are no mentions on the Samsung Galaxy S I
Don't take me wrong, I am 100% with you when you say that HTC needs to bring ICS to those devices if possible (rom limitations comes to mind) but I'm being more realistic, and I'm considering the whole picture, and it looks that HTC is doing pretty good compared to it competition in terms of updates but that's still not enough as a customer I ask for me, Also at the same time I would like to give a shout to google! to give OEMs release candidate OS to play with and prepare their update a periode of time before they them self start releasing the final product, so we don't see this fragmentation in terms of OS OEMs skinned versions comes at about same time, or relatively some weeks later after the release on Nexus devices and not months later

Samsung officialy said no ICS for SGSI
http://translate.google.com/transla...&eotf=1&u=http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/2043

kurolife said:
Samsung officialy said no ICS for SGSI
http://translate.google.com/transla...&eotf=1&u=http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/2043
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Seems that source was fake then
Samsung... Just as bad as HTC?
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olyloh6696 said:
Seems that source was fake then
Samsung... Just as bad as HTC?
Well, just flash a custom rom will do. At least Sammy did much better than Motorola and LG in terms of updates though. Not to mention Sammy devices have an open bootloader, unlike HTC or moto phones.
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Yes, I've said this many many times now
I'm already on a custom ROM. no intentions to use a official ROM. But its good to get a base and kernel source for devs to work on for best integration on our phones.
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So, why do so many of you like HTC? Hardware is not that great, battery life is out the a$$, rooting is relatively annoying/complicated.

Skv012a said:
So, why do so many of you like HTC? Hardware is not that great, battery life is out the a$$, rooting is relatively annoying/complicated.
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Sure, hardware isn't as superior as Samsungs etc, but software is the key.
It's far superior than Samsungs touchwiz and other UI's.
Battery life on some htc's are rubbish, but on my Desire S its decent.
Also, rooting for me was easier than on my Galaxy Tab, and my dads SGSII.
I guess its all Down To personal opinions.
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Persistence
With persistence, you'll get what you desire, keep on trying

It's too bad...

It's too bad that by the time a real (fully working) AOSP ROM drops for this phone I will already be on my next device. I purchased my original Sensation (now on my 4th or 5th due to dust issues...) back in June of last year. CM7 was always half baked, and although it was my daily it was never really 100% complete. Not to mention they never released an official CM7 for the Sensation.. But anyway, now CM9 is "in progress" but my biggest fear is that it will be 4 to 6 months (at LEAST) before a fully stable, working, reliable AOSP ROM (CM9 or otherwise) is released for our device. The most unfortunate part is that the hardware as a whole is certainly capable, and the devs are certainly good, but it will most likely be a case of "too little too late" for me. I have my eye on a true STOCK device such as the Nexus line, as that will really be the only way to go in the future. The main reasons are as follows, let me know if others agree
1) Almost instant (not really, but you get my point!) updates from Google
2) Those same updates can immediately be applied by Dev's for even more fun!
3) NO SENSE
4) NO SENSE to remove
5) Did I mention those phones don't have Sense???

I am with you. Though Virtuous has relatively decent ICS ROM that I am using, almost no trace of Sense.
Actually considering Galaxy Nexus now, on dailysteaps for $530 today.
Not sure wife will approve since she is still on Vibrant.

If you hate sense, why you bought it? I don't understand people like you

erto90 said:
If you hate sense, why you bought it? I don't understand people like you
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Mehh I hate sense but I'm gonna buy a phone that was made for sense
Sent from my insertcoined Sensation 4G with Beats Audio

erto90 said:
If you hate sense, why you bought it? I don't understand people like you
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Its a good question, and the reason was I simply did not know how awful Sense was. This was my second Android phone, and my first was a bone stock (and loving it!) G2 made as Google intended it to be. I honestly had no concept of the horrifying abomination that Sense is. It was beyond my comprehension that HTC would bother to not only create that beast (sense), but to make it so hard to remove. I loved the hardware build of my first HTC phone and I just assumed Sense would be minor cosmetic changes, clearly I was VERY wrong and should have done much more work before selecting a new device. Also, at the time I purchased the Sensation the hardware was top notch, and it was the most powerful device you could find. Immediately upon powering it on and seeing Sense however, I realized the gravity of my mistake.....

Hmm well. i dont the blame the guy cause.......
This is my first HTC. on the galaxy s side sense use to look like the best android rom ever! we only ever dreamt to get sense 2.1 on our device.
Now that i got sensation with sense 3.0 it was a disaster.
The ui was good but toooooooooooooooooo memory hogging and then all of a sudden i realise samsung majorly improve touchwiz and it looks amazing, the day i slapped myself and what makes it worse is the fact the amount of support the galaxy s 2 is getting compared to our phone
Now my next phone is galaxy s 3 definitely.
however now everything is starting to look so much better tbh because and solely because of trip and only 10% virtuous team and shinzon.
he has had massive breakthroughs with our phone recently. he just released 95% stable fully working sense 4 rom which i think is much more optimised than sense 3.0
and now that he has almost everything working on his aosp tripndroid os rom including bluetooth apart from video recording we are in good shape
CALL ME A TRIP FANBOY IDC <3

webstar1 said:
Hmm well. i dont the blame the guy cause.......
This is my first HTC. on the galaxy s side sense use to look like the best android rom ever! we only ever dreamt to get sense 2.1 on our device.
Now that i got sensation with sense 3.0 it was a disaster.
The ui was good but toooooooooooooooooo memory hogging and then all of a sudden i realise samsung majorly improve touchwiz and it looks amazing, the day i slapped myself and what makes it worse is the fact the amount of support the galaxy s 2 is getting compared to our phone
Now my next phone is galaxy s 3 definitely.
however now everything is starting to look so much better tbh because and solely because of trip and only 10% virtuous team and shinzon.
he has had massive breakthroughs with our phone recently. he just released 95% stable fully working sense 4 rom which i think is much more optimised than sense 3.0
and now that he has almost everything working on his aosp tripndroid os rom including bluetooth apart from video recording we are in good shape
CALL ME A TRIP FANBOY IDC <3
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Video cording works. Just not takijg pics while recording
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda premium

The true truth is that
Who have sense, sometimes hate it and search for aosp
The others are jelous of sense and always ask for porting on their samsung,lg etc here and there..
Is the mad truth
The neighbor's grass is always the more green ( ok sorry for the ported dict )

webstar1 said:
however now everything is starting to look so much better tbh because and solely because of trip and only 10% virtuous team and shinzon.
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That's laughable. Virtuous Inquisition is probably the best AOSP-like ROM out right now and Trip had nothing to do with it.

Hope you enjoy your new phone OP!
Let us know when you get one, and I have to agree with you, the lack of a true senseless rom is pretty much non-existent for this phone. Nonetheless, enjoy your day!

erto90 said:
If you hate sense, why you bought it? I don't understand people like you
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why? Because I REFUSE to buy a samsung. (although I'm starting to change my mind for the gal nex now). I bought this phone simply for the hardware, not the UI. Just cause you got a phone for a reason, doesn't mean other's have to be the same.

erto90 said:
If you hate sense, why you bought it? I don't understand people like you
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My Vibrant started hardware malfunction on data radio in June and at that time HTC Sensation seemed to be a high end choice, just came out with dual core, good camera, etc. I had G1 prior to Vibrant which was made by HTC ( as did my wife and teen) and they were well built and had a good hardware. Little did I know of all the keylogger and other goodies baked into Sensation, should have taken Nexus S instead in a hindsight.
The phone is not too bad with Virtuous ICS ROM now, but in future I will go for Nexus devices, no matter if CPU/GPU not the latest or greatest. Still conidering that Galaxy Nexus dailysteals deal for $530 running today.
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do not get the galaxy nexus. if you have the sensation, use it until like september november. because thats when all the good phones are rolling out.

g1user101 said:
do not get the galaxy nexus. if you have the sensation, use it until like september november. because thats when all the good phones are rolling out.
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Wouldn't next nexus phone on tmobile be at least a year away from now?
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i want to jump ship to the Galaxy Nexus because of the same reasons (ie lack of AOSP dev support on the Sensation)... however, the crappy camera on the g.nex is really of putting to me since i use the camera daily.
i think i will wait to see how the galaxy s3, xperia s, and the htc one all do before upgrading... my priorities for my next phone are:
- Krait or Tegra3
- at least 300ppi
- strong AOSP dev support ie unlocked bootloader
- 720p and OLED a huge plus
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erto90 said:
The true truth is that
Who have sense, sometimes hate it and search for aosp
The others are jelous of sense and always ask for porting on their samsung,lg etc here and there..
Is the mad truth
The neighbor's grass is always the more green ( ok sorry for the ported dict )
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No, sense is awful and so is touchwiz and motoblur
i would take an iphone over sense

lol there always apple unlock your phone sell it for a apple iphone and be gone stop crying dev do what they can you want it fast learn to do what they do

This must be the 15th threat opened for complaining about the Sensation not having dev support, being slow,having bad build quality and a bad screen etc! You people gather your complaints in one threat and leave these forums clean for the rest of us who enjoy this phone. Virtuous Inq provides a 95% AOSP look and feel unless upu want to tell your friends that you have a "true" AOSP!
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

leftheodo said:
This must be the 15th threat opened for complaining about the Sensation not having dev support, being slow,having bad build quality and a bad screen etc! You people gather your complaints in one threat and leave these forums clean for the rest of us who enjoy this phone. Virtuous Inq provides a 95% AOSP look and feel unless upu want to tell your friends that you have a "true" AOSP!
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
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Sorry but no. It fells totally different for me. I tell myself its aosp but I just don't buy it. No matter how close it is to aosp, its not. Until you've tried the true feel and power of a complete aosp build, don't say its the same.
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That's laughable. Virtuous Inquisition is probably the best AOSP-like ROM out right now and Trip had nothing to do with it.
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Who was the first to bring aosp ics first to sensation?
Who ported a fully stable sense 4 rom?
Who ported miui v4 first?
Who's got everything working on aosp?
Then vorbeth calls trip a kanger on twitter and then says that's why he doesn't release his sources. Well if he did, we would see them posting there work.
And vorbeth is becoming big headed on twitter cause he can compile cm9 from source? There's a step by step tutorial in the development section so even new users can easily build.
Sent from my HTC Sensation using xda premium

Since this is turning into another trip related discussion you can discuss about it in some other forum.
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P.S.
Final warning to everyone.
Dont discuss about :supposed kanging concerning Roms that dont have a thread on XDA.