Well, yesterday was my first day using MeeGo OS on my new Nokia n9 and I have to say I absolutely love it. It is much smoother than I expected, it offers just about everything Android offers, it really focuses on the user experience, and the n9 is just an outstanding little device for any OS. Nokia essentially killed MeeGo with the introduction of their amazing windows phone devices, but my question is, "why not both?" I honestly feel that MeeGo could've been a serious contender amongst the Android tinkerers and wp7 is easily the most socially adept OS. They could have been the giants of the mobile industry once again. Does anyone else feel like MeeGo was a missed opportunity? I would've loved it on some lumia 900 hardware. They could've even continued releasing it on very similar hardware. Your thoughts?
well, i got meego on my netbook when i bought it... and i quite instantly deleted it or rather exchanged it to suse.
i also wanted the n9 back in the days, but went with the samsung wave which got another "alternative" os installed.
but seeing bada is pretty much going down the drain right now i should have taken the n9, as you seem to be really happy with it! ^^
but i think thats always the problem with new os's that have yet to prove themselves against the allmighty ones like android and ios.
even windows phone is having a hard time.
i use to play with maemo on my n900 and i loved it. still my favorite phone, but ya never got the chance to try the final release of meego. watched a couple of youtube reviews on it and looks great.
ya, but i think meego has missed out and i think nokia is focused on wp7
I think that MeeGo and WebOS (can be found on previous HP devices) both missed out. They could have equally made it big with the right advertising , pricing, and hardware.
Too little too late.
N9 and N95 are both great devices, that actually sell quite well.
http://communities-dominate.blogs.c...ent-of-symbian-windows-phone-strategy-do.html
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I don't think wp7 was a poor choice, I think the poor choice was not using it as just part of the repertoire.
AFAIK, Nokia cancel Meego phone as part of the deal with Microsoft, so they can license WP and get a special treatment to customize WP. Of course everybody know how's Microsoft's stance towards Linux, and Meego is based on (Debian) Linux.
Maemo, although is really good, suffer badly from Nokia internal politics. Nokia shipped the first Maemo device on 2005, that's 2 years earlier than the original iPhone(2007), 3 years earlier than iOS App Store (2008), 3 years earlier than the first Android handset (2008, HTC Dream G1). Instead pushing Maemo, Nokia release S60v5 and fail miserably. Meego lost its traction, because the development took too long.
So, Nokia had its chances.
The one that I don't really understand is why Intel, as the other benefactor of Meego, cancelled it also, and move to Tizen. And why there's no independent developer continue the development? The reference hardware is available (N9 and N900), the source code also available.
I agree. I mean MeeGo is as pure as linux on a phone comes. For a Linux developer it should be a cakewalk. Instead, a promising foundation is banished. I think with Maemo, it was a strong start, but a shaky foundation. Instead of operating on that like Android did, they started over.
With companies like Intel, Nokia, and Novel behind Meego I never had high hopes for it.
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So many to choose from these days.... eh? I'm a loyal Windows Mobile fan myself but let's see what everyone else thinks! Feel free to express your opinions in this thread about your favorite OS.
They all have their strong and weak points, but for me, my OS of choice is Android
As much as I love Android, I still feel like the iPhone OS feels the most polished OS out of the group. Sorry, but that's just my personal perspective. But if it were only based solely on features and function, it would be Android! Unfortunately, aesthetics and usability are big factors for me in an OS and Android just lacks those characteristics at the moment.
I've tried a few including WM for 4 years. But, I've settled on Android...for now
I'd say Android, mostly because it's based off the Linux kernel, making it extremely versatile. I used to love WM because of its open-ness, but Android is a much more polished OS compared to WM, yet with all the customization and openness that WM has (until WM 7.x). Considering I'm running Android on my iPhone 2G, my Kaiser, and my Rhodium, Android wins on the versatility and customization factor.
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As much as I love Android, I still feel like the iPhone OS feels the most polished OS out of the group. Sorry, but that's just my personal perspective. But if it were only based solely on features and function, it would be Android! Unfortunately, aesthetics and usability are big factors for me in an OS and Android just lacks those characteristics at the moment.
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While yes, some people don't like the look of Android (I don't mind it), I most certainly don't think that the iPhone's "all gloss and shiny" is any better.
Looks like another thread involving Android versus iPhone comparison, though other OS are also going to be discussed. I would rather keep my mind open and try to understand as much as possible what each has to offer first before making judgement. I'm trying to do that in this thread. You're invited to participate.
One important consideration is what sorts of hardware choices the OS let you have. iPhone is extremely functional, fast, smooth, visually appealing, and customizable, have great applications and ecosystem, but doesn't give user the choice of a 4.3 inch screen like Android. I'm hoping to look for something positioned in between the iPad and iPhone.
Voted for android, after having tried an iphone 3gs for fit and having bought a desire instead.
My background has been a long line of symbian and win mobile phones, starting with p800 and finishing with the htc hd.
Don't get me wrong, the iphone was good in terms of user experience and apps, but I don't like non or pseudo multitasking and the apple attitude towards devs and development.
That was the same reason I didn't wait for a win 7 phone, as it seems that microsoft is heading the same way.
Meego might be good, but right now it's only on paper.
Sorry for referring to slightly off topic OSs but there is an "other" choice on the poll, no ?
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Don't get me wrong, the iphone was good in terms of user experience and apps, but I don't like non or pseudo multitasking and the apple attitude towards devs and development.
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This I do agree.
Maemo followed by Android followed by Symbian
If the OS is taken by itself with no external factors (e.g. apps), then I would say Palm's WebOS as the best OS. If it was the OS with everything it comes with, then iPhone OS is my favorite.
I voted for the latter. It's silly to think of an OS by itself when it can be augmented by apps.
WinMo for now, but ask me again in 6 months to a year, defiantly Android.
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Same here!
WM all the way
Android ftw !!
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I've heard lots about Maemo. I'm going to look into that one, sounds nifty
android for me...i should noe ive used them all...
Hey guys I just wanna ask you a quest :
Do you believe Samsung, or other brands just like HTC or maybe LG, would have been as successful as they are now...if they had no Android OS in their devices?
IMO I guess the answer is : NO WAY. Hardware is not the only essential thing, and I really believe Software (instead of hardware) has made the REAL difference
I'd like to know what do the world think about that
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I think they've all been spamming the Marketplace with countless devices which are, at best, clones of every other device out there and are selling devices on the strength of pure numbers alone. Basically a brute force approach.
If Android had never been created, each Manufacturer would still be pushing out twenty Windows Mobile clones every year instead, and then that platform would still be dominating the Market. (Fruity products aside.)
hardware and software go hand in hand...
hardware makes the phone and gives it the capabilities that we all want...
but without good software to go along with that then the phone is useless...
if android had never come along there would be something else to take its place. maybe windows phone would be more popular, maybe webos would be bigger than ever...maybe ios would rule the world...whatever...
i think a better question would be if android hadn't come along which current os do you think would be the most used on devices?
Not so sure: IMO, Android is a great competitor do iOS, which was one of the main drivers of smartphones in the market with its App Store and rich functionality (when I had an N-Gage, I already enjoyed tons of community apps, but had no market)
Would they go far with Windows Phone 7? Maybe. But not with Windows Mobile, which was iOS' competitor at that time.
I'm pretty sure the brands you mentioned would be selling with success even if Android didn't exist.
They are industrial giants (samsung especially), which can invest huge amount of money on development. Some say they lack imagination, but I must say I'm impressed by the pace they keep improving our techno gadgets.
The real thing is what would the smartphone world look like without android.
I owned a bada smartphone and every time I was using it I felt a chain around my neck, hands and feet...
We've been really lucky with the path smartphone took: android is free, android is open-source.
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I find this pretty amazing
OK we all know Android and iPhone are at the top right now but this poll isn't about them at all. this thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not WP8 or BB10 will outsell any other type of OS
Strictly speaking of Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 8 and RIM'S upcoming BlackBerry 10, which of these do you think are going to dominate in sales between these two in 2013? Both companies are promising a completely new and different OS than their previous smartphones. Which will prove the winner?
BB still has a lot of people pulling for it. I have to say the mock-up teaser video that they released and some of the proprietary apps look promising.
Windows has been lackluster so far, but I'm sure they will have some kind of promotion going on with Win 8 and their phones to try and get them into more consumer's hands.
If BB can release a strong set of apps initially on good hardware with a modern-looking intuitive interface then I think they will win in terms of sales over the next year, especially if their security and encryption is up to snuff. Even know a lot of corporate honchos are still BlackBerried up.
I think WP8 will beat out BB10. RIM has their entire existence riding on 10.
RIM still has a vastly superior advantage over Microsoft, at least as far as businesses go. I think RIM could cater only to businesses and still remain profitable.
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RIM still has a vastly superior advantage over Microsoft, at least as far as businesses go. I think RIM could cater only to businesses and still remain profitable.
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I think RIM is gasping some air before they will expire, I used to have over 100 BB messenger buddies, by the time I left them I was left with 5, its a slow and painful death but sooner or later it will happen
I think I can honestly say...
Neither.
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Well Nokia does have pretty good adverts for wp7 (like deadmau5 presentation in London). Maybe they can do the same with wp8.
Wp8 has a better chance.
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Both will probably fail.
I've used a Lumia and it's a wonderful device. Unfortunately, the app store was atrocious. Seriously, no Dropbox? When all your friends and family are enjoying newly released apps, you will feel left out. If you're lucky, you'll get that app a few months down the line. But by then, all your friends and family will move on to other apps.
BB10 could also be wonderful, but without serious developer support, it's going nowhere.
Developers won't make apps because there's no one to buy them. But no one buys the phone because there's no good apps. It's a vicious cycle.
RIM is just going to have to find the capital somewhere to make it happen. The good thing for Windows is that they can subsidise the handsets and keep the prices low just to get them into people's hands. They were even giving them away for trade of any smartphone; the fact that they didn't get a really high number of takers on that offers speaks to where WP is right now, though.
Anyway, RIM needs to be all in on this and do it right from the start to have any chance.
Before we delve too deeply off topic into speculating whether or not both will fail, keep in mind the topic deals with which of these 2 platforms would pull ahead of the other. Personally my money is on MS simply because they have more monetary muscle to throw around and their massively dominant presence as a computer OS worldwide both in homes and businesses is larger than RIM'S blackberry phone user base. All RIM really has are phones while MS can use their software business to push their windows phone. It's a make it or break it for RIM while MS can still chug along as a giant PC windows company regardless.
A good indicator so far is how big name developers are already getting on board for WP8 before it has even come out while RIM is still struggling to get them to sign up on BB10. It should prove to be an interesting battle
I think WP 8 will be more mature than BB OS 10 but im waiting for the OS wars to fire up a lot more competition lately
Huh, I thought I'd be with the majority when I chose Blackberry 10. Maybe it's just my outdated notion that every business person is carrying around a blackberry still, I should know that Android and iOS dominate the market now. I think.
Windows Phone 8
I think it's hands-down Windows Phone 8. MS already has a good base to build from in WP7 -- I've used it before and I think it's actually very good. BB only has the enterprise security thing going for them, which everybody else is catching up on pretty quickly.
Depends how strong the bundling effects of Windows 8 (and xbox) are, which is also up in the air. If microsoft do manage to integrate multiple devices seemlessly, their existing market share lock-in would surely push WP8 beyond blackberry.
As for who emerges victorious, hopefully Firefox OS.
Windows Phone 8 is coming. Vey fast and stable system
Wp8 has a better chance
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Wp8 has a better chance
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if I really have to pick one - I will WP8. BB10 is outdated and/or late too. WP8 still will need atleast another year or so to become mature. both of them are not candidates to beat the current leaders for sure like someone said.
WP8 definitely.
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in my opinion wp8 better than bb10.
Hey guys! Which OS you all foresee that will become the next trendsetter in few years to come?
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Windows Phone and Windows 8 are getting more and more popular but personally i don't like the new metro interface and these OSes.
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Ubuntu! It's already gathered a lot of dev attention! Soon it will be a good competition for android!
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I guess I'm going for android or ubuntu. I'll probably start using ubuntu on my nexus but I may switch back to android. Hopefully we see easy porting of android apps.
Well they say that a mobile is has 10 years in it, and android may be the first to break that unless apple hire the next Steve jobs. Android has a decent push to keep momentum though I think that it will once again retract to being "the geek phone" is, which I Dont mind... I don't like android becoming so popular because future models will be dumbed down for the masses rather than suped up for us...
I think Ubuntu has a nice idea on paper and some eye candy but I think it isn't practicle in as application to be as widely accepted as iOS for the mainstream or as open and moddable (although it should be really, as its from Linux) to attract us nerds or devs beyond the initial "wow its Ubuntu on a phone" factor. It also relies on webapps rather than more mature os tactics of moving away from web apps, can't blame them though as they want lots if apps asap to compete.
RIM should change their name to RIP
I don't know enough about tizen or Firefox to comment but I think Firefox os is DOA tbh.
That leaves the mighty windows phone, building up a catalogue of Apps and mind share, original and beautiful design reflecting windows 8 and Xbox, as fluid and intuitive as iOS with more functionality, slowly becoming more and more open, Nokia are driving it... I believe that wp can do it! I think that by wp9 there will be a lot more openness to the is for devs but not as much as android, but enough to feel free, it will catch on to people moving away from ios or people with Windows 8 tablets and ultra books and it will be a big thing. I love android to death but I believe wp8 will be the big thing of the future.
I think a route android may go is like Linux, different builds rather than just different skins, android touch wiz os could be potentially a different os to motoblur android for example... That could be a goood or a bad thing if it does.
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Windows phone is ok, but Microsoft has always been so restrictive, I cant see it taking off and storming the market. Android, because its open for the world to develop, hone and improve. Microsoft cant keep up, they are too interested in money and not what the consumer wants. Heck just look at how fast android has evolved. Compare that to the backwards step taken by Microsoft with the introduction of Vista, a few years back.
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Windows phone is ok, but Microsoft has always been so restrictive, I cant see it taking off and storming the market. Android, because its open for the world to develop, hone and improve. Microsoft cant keep up, they are too interested in money and not what the consumer wants. Heck just look at how fast android has evolved. Compare that to the backwards step taken by Microsoft with the introduction of Vista, a few years back.
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Was vista really a backwards step or were people (me included) complaining that a brand new GPU/ram-heavy OS was running slow and buggy on our 7 year old computers?
Both Android and windows (inc windows phone) have made huge advances in the last 2 or 3 years, and I've seriously considered sueing apple for false advertising with "most advanced operating system" lol not that its a bad system but no software of apple is particularly advanced... But I wouldn't win because 'advanced' us not quantitative enough and only really subjective (though on the back of that they should not be allowed to claim that, either)
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I think BB10 OS will have a chance in the future
till now android is best, windows 8 is catching up lately, then we have ubuntu and mozilla os coming up head..its so exciting, and then recently bb10 is launched which got good reviews.
I dont even know if I should be mad or just baffled. My first phone was a Nokia 6085 flip phone. In my honest opinion I think if they went the Android route, we would see Nokia having more money then Samsung, HTC, and Sony combined
http://conversations.nokia.com/2013...n-letter-from-steve-ballmer-and-stephen-elop/
What do you guys think?
I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't part of the original deal to get Nokia to make Windows phones, ie if the phone sales don't save Nokia, Microsoft will step in and buy them.
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They made the first wrong move of using windows platform in the first place.
Stephen Elop is a selfish bastard who pursues his own interests.
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Microsoft continues bad move after bad move. Their stranglehold on the desktop and productivity market won't cause them any overall company problems ever, but with the XBox One PR fiasco, Surface completely bombing, and buying a company that has no presence in the market and is a 'junk' credited company - it's no wonder Ballmer is getting forced out.
In my opinion its a good move Microsoft is trying to mimic what Apple has. A phone and its matching OS. But this will make everyone else who produces Windows Phone devices stop doing so. Nokia already had 90% (afair) of the WP market. With Microsoft building phones third party WP manufacturers wont have any chance at all
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Maybe now the windows phone will be better
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I dont even know if I should be mad or just baffled. My first phone was a Nokia 6085 flip phone. In my honest opinion I think if they went the Android route, we would see Nokia having more money then Samsung, HTC, and Sony combined
http://conversations.nokia.com/2013...n-letter-from-steve-ballmer-and-stephen-elop/
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Microsoft had to buy Nokia. Nokia could make Android. They could make more money. They could even dominate. Microsoft is scared of that potential. They had to buy Nokia to secure their future in mobile, or at least try to stay afloat for a while longer. You see, Nokia already serves as the vast majority of Windows phones. Losing that company to another OS is like taking out 90% of their mobile strategy.