Hi, if I flashed a radio meant for 900/1700/2100 frequency on a Sensation from Bell Canada (using 850/1900), will it work with T-Mobile/Wind/Mobicility (on AWS)?
can you provide more info? which radio are you trying to flash? what rom and radio are you using? etc
from my understanding, there is no right or wrong radio for each sensation. they are universal. some may work better than others depending on your carrier and region.
From my understanding, there are two versions of the sensation, z710a and z710e.
z710a (850/1900) is for North America (Bell Canada), whereas z710e (900/1700/2100) is for international plus T-Mobile.
What I was wondering was if you flashed a radio meant for z710e on a z710a, will you get the 900/1700/2100 frequencies?
Bump I want to know too
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isgaard said:
From my understanding, there are two versions of the sensation, z710a and z710e.
z710a (850/1900) is for North America (Bell Canada), whereas z710e (900/1700/2100) is for international plus T-Mobile.
What I was wondering was if you flashed a radio meant for z710e on a z710a, will you get the 900/1700/2100 frequencies?
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no, each phone variant has built in frequencies which cannot be changed via flashing a radio. radios dont have anything to do with frequencies. they just help with signal strength. the frequencies (850/1900 etc) tell you whether you get 3/4g service, which depends on your carrier
I just thought that the sensation might be one of those phones where the manufacturer locks out some frequency to suit the carriers supplied. Just wondering if somebody out there tried it out by flashing different radios to see if it's really a hardware limitation.
So what's att at for there 3g vs tmob
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Can somebody tell me what is the difference between HTC (Z710e) Sensation versus HTC Sensation (International Version) in terms of specs? I can't seem to justify why there is a very big difference in price. The Z710e being much cheaper.
Thanks in Advance.
I have the Z710e model and it's the generic European unbranded handset (running 1.35.401.1)
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I have the Z710e model and it's the generic European unbranded handset (running 1.35.401.1)
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No Carrier Logos out of the box? Factory unlocked? No custom firmware?
100% stock - so long as you get x.xx.401.x (European) FW on it
i have Taiwanese Z710e (running 1.35.709.1)
it's stock ....
Z710e here... No problems, unbranded, S-ON.
Okay..that settles it then. I think I'm going for this Z710e.
redlinux said:
Can somebody tell me what is the difference between HTC (Z710e) Sensation versus HTC Sensation (International Version) in terms of specs? I can't seem to justify why there is a very big difference in price. The Z710e being much cheaper.
Thanks in Advance.
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Links please? Are you talking about european version and us (4g) version?
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i have Taiwanese Z710e (running 1.35.709.1)
it's stock ....
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Yes but it's from a different region. Depends where the OP is from really
If you are talking about the price difference you see in the US, that's because
- for the US version, most people selling it bought it from tmobile at a discount price with contract. In order to sell it, they have to lower the price to slightly cheaper than the full price, which is 550
- for the international version, it is not available in the US officially. People imported it from Europe or Asia, at full price. To cover cost, they sell it at above the full price of the device.
Hence the price difference. There isn't any difference between the specs of the two. The Us version has tmobile logo on it and tmobile branded software. But once people can get s-off, that would eliminate any software difference between the two. The US one is branded as a 4G device, and the international one isn't. But that's only because only carriers in the US brand HSPA+ as 4G....
just a quick question also only this time regarding the australian z710a telstra model. are they still 4g etc or are they of lesser spec.
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just a quick question also only this time regarding the australian z710a telstra model. are they still 4g etc or are they of lesser spec.
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http://www.htc.com/au/product/sensation/specification.html
According to HTC Aus website, its 3G speed is capable of 14.4 Mbps so it is a "4G" device by AT&T/T-Mobile standard...
Looking at the bands that this phone supports, it seems to have the same hardware as the Canadian Bell model. Bell also brands its as a 4G device, btw.
So, did I understand correctly that ALL Sensation versions are absolutely identical from the point of view of hardware and they all support HSDPA+, just some operators call it 4G and brand the device correspondingly while others do not?
The 4G supports different frequency bands to the normal GSM model
Network*
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia/T-Mobile US: 900/AWS/2100 MHz
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
*Network bands in regions other than Europe and Asia Pacific may be different, depending on the mobile operator and your location. Please check with your mobile operator.
EddyOS, thanks for your reply but now I'm even more confused
You say that:
HTC Sensation 4G is for 900/AWS/2100;
HTC Sensation Z710e is for 850/900/1800/1900, right?
Does this mean that HTC Sensation Z710e doesn't support UMTS (and, hence, HSDPA/HSDPA+) at all???
My operator works in 900/1800/2100(UMTS with HSDPA) bands. Does this mean I should choose Sensation 4G to be able to use high-speed Internet?
I have a Z710e and can connect at HSDPA
Then, the difference is that 4G just doesn't support 850/1900?
mine Z710e works on Tmobile US HSDPA. Full bar usually get 6M down 2 M up.
people say Tmobile Sensation 4G has faster data speed than Europe/Asia in US. like how much faster?
william31518 said:
mine Z710e works on Tmobile US HSDPA. Full bar usually get 6M down 2 M up.
people say Tmobile Sensation 4G has faster data speed than Europe/Asia in US. like how much faster?
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It does not! it is exactly the same!
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3875&idPhone2=3922
Sensation z710a and z710e
Hi Friend this is my first answer, the difference is simple but at the same time complex.
HTC Sensation like other phones has variants like this.
z710a:
GSM Quadband 850/900/1800/1900 MHz so you can use 2G networks with all carries but...
UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz only and if your carrier doesn't support this bands you can't use 3G or 3.5G with them.
z710e:
UMTS 900/1700/2100MHz here the same if your carrier doesn't support this frequencies you can't use 3G or 3.5G with them.
These are the main differences, and it's the same like happend with other brands like Samsung
S5360 work 3G with 900/2100
S5360L works 3G with 850/1900
S5830 work 3G with 900/2100
S5830L works 3G with 850/1900
I don't know why this differences because i thinks that it's cheap and easy to simply make phones that work 3G in pentaband 850/900/1700/1900/2100, but for any reason and i don't know why is like that for now.
I hope helps you and other people too.
Hello all as the title suggests I am wondering if flashing a european RUU to my T-Mobile Sensation 4G (USA), will disable the 4G access?. I came to this question because the European Sensation or the Sensation Z710e, doesn't have 4G capabilities. Thanks in advance for any answer
You mean, the non-TMOUS Sensations don't have the 4G branding. The capabilities are the same.
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You mean, the non-TMOUS Sensations don't have the 4G branding. The capabilities are the same.
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So my TMOUS Sensation 4G will still have 4G Capabilities when I switch to a Europe RUU, correct?. Just trying to clarify thank you btw
Hspa+ is tmos "4G" but it is not 4G in the true sense. It's more like 3.5G. t mobile 4G is purely a marketing term and means nothing as far as speed of the phone. It is the same as the european version in every way.
Hi,
A friend ordered one from the states and got an unlocked T-Mobile Sensation 4G but a sticker on the T-mobile box said Z710e International edition.
My question is does T-Mobile sell the international version as well (maybe for roaming customers)? If not, does the 4G, support all the 3g euro bands?
Also, what product code does the 4G have? (I saw somewhere that it's G14, but since plain Sensation is Z710e and XE is Z715e, I thought it would be something along those lines).
xenios said:
Hi,
I have a euro spec Sensation Z710e.
A friend ordered one from the states and got an unlocked T-Mobile Sensation 4G but a sticker on the T-mobile box said Z710e International edition.
My question is does T-Mobile sell the international version as well (maybe for roaming customers)? If not, does the 4G, support all the 3g euro bands?
Also, what product code does the 4G have? (I saw somewhere that it's G14, but since plain Sensation is Z710e and XE is Z715e, I thought it would be something along those lines).
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I believe they all work on Voice/GPRS/EDGE (quad band)
There are two basic versions for 3G 900/AWS/2100 (Europe and T-Mobile (and others) US) and 850/...... (AT&T (and others) US). Europe is nice and simple North America is more disjointed.
3G and 4G are in all sense the same thing, more marketing and more base station investment.
The 3G frequency is the big issue. If he'd ended up with the Z710a (850Mhz) version he'd have been stuffed for 3G in Europe.
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I believe they all work on Voice/GPRS/EDGE (quad band)
There are two basic versions for 3G 900/AWS/2100 (Europe and T-Mobile (and others) US) and 850/...... (AT&T (and others) US). Europe is nice and simple North America is more disjointed.
3G and 4G are in all sense the same thing, more marketing and more base station investment.
The 3G frequency is the big issue. If he'd ended up with the Z710a (850Mhz) version he'd have been stuffed for 3G in Europe.
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That's what I thought as well. Thanks. My own Sensation is Z710e but it's an unbranded Europe model.
On comparing both modls on GSMArena, for the 4G I could see Europe bands as well as 1700 (AWS) and it's back cover has a fourth antenna spot.
I was more buffled by the fact that it carries the exact model number as the European one (as opposed to the AT&T one which is Z710a).
I will set it up for packet data see if all is working well.
xenios said:
That's what I thought as well. Thanks. My own Sensation is Z710e but it's an unbranded Europe model.
On comparing both modls on GSMArena, for the 4G I could see Europe bands as well as 1700 (AWS) and it's back cover has a fourth antenna spot.
I was more buffled by the fact that it carries the exact model number as the European one (as opposed to the AT&T one which is Z710a).
I will set it up for packet data see if all is working well.
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Any news on using the 900mhz frequency of the Tmobile branded one??
Hello Guys! I'm looking for an information, I'd like to buy an Android phone from Orlando for use it in Italy, i saw the Sensaion 4g from T-Mobile but i have a question: Does the Sensation 4g works in Italy? I think that yes but i'm no sure, and another question, Does the normal Sensation's rom works in 4g version from T-Mobile?
Thanks!
Yes you can. The 4G has ALL the European bands plus an extra band (1700 MHz) for T-Mobile USA.
You will have a lot of useless programs onboard (That you can't use because they are tied to a T-mobile subscription or network) but nothing that can't be solved with a good flashing
I m also using an sensation 4g in India without any problem,
Capychimp is also using US Sensation 4G in Sweden no problems 3G work
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I have a HTC Sensation Z710e rooted and S-off with custom "Android Revolution HD" ICS ROM. My wife has a HTC Sensation Z710a with an official ICS ROM. We are both on dinosaur Rogers network that gauges on its clients planning to switch over to WindMobile. The problem we are having is that my wife's Sensation won't work on WindMobile network. It's because WindMobile operates on AWS 1700 band that is supported by Z710e model (HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100) but not by Z710a (HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100).
Going trough all different threads in Sensation forums I am getting lot of conflicting info so my question is; if I root, S-off and install Android Revolution HD ROM that comes with it's own radio and essentially converts regular Sensation in to Sensation XE; will my wife's Sensation Z710a be able to support AWS 1700 band as well?
Is it only software (firmware, baseband, radio) or actual hardware that differentiates Z710e and Z710a models? Both my wife's and mine phone look exactly the same unbranded HTC Sensations...
czguy said:
I have a HTC Sensation Z710e rooted and S-off with custom "Android Revolution HD" ICS ROM. My wife has a HTC Sensation Z710a with an official ICS ROM. We are both on dinosaur Rogers network that gauges on its clients planning to switch over to WindMobile. The problem we are having is that my wife's Sensation won't work on WindMobile network. It's because WindMobile operates on AWS 1700 band that is supported by Z710e model (HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100) but not by Z710a (HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100).
Going trough all different threads in Sensation forums I am getting lot of conflicting info so my question is; if I root, S-off and install Android Revolution HD ROM that comes with it's own radio and essentially converts regular Sensation in to Sensation XE; will my wife's Sensation Z710a be able to support AWS 1700 band as well?
I am not posting this question in Android Revolution HD ROM forum because this question is applicable to any custom ROM. Is it only software (firmware, baseband, radio) or actual hardware that differentiates Z710e and Z710a models? Both my wife's and mine phone look exactly the same unbranded HTC Sensations...
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Whilst you can run the have the same ROM and Radio versions on both phones you cannot convert Z710a <-> Z710e. They have different hardware for the data frequencies.
So in simple terms if your wife want's full 3G functionality she'll need a new phone. She'll still have Voice and Edge though.
czguy said:
I have a HTC Sensation Z710e rooted and S-off with custom "Android Revolution HD" ICS ROM. My wife has a HTC Sensation Z710a with an official ICS ROM. We are both on dinosaur Rogers network that gauges on its clients planning to switch over to WindMobile. The problem we are having is that my wife's Sensation won't work on WindMobile network. It's because WindMobile operates on AWS 1700 band that is supported by Z710e model (HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100) but not by Z710a (HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100).
Going trough all different threads in Sensation forums I am getting lot of conflicting info so my question is; if I root, S-off and install Android Revolution HD ROM that comes with it's own radio and essentially converts regular Sensation in to Sensation XE; will my wife's Sensation Z710a be able to support AWS 1700 band as well?
Is it only software (firmware, baseband, radio) or actual hardware that differentiates Z710e and Z710a models? Both my wife's and mine phone look exactly the same unbranded HTC Sensations...
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Hello, I'm from Argentina and I have an almost unused Z710e, if you want we can change if your wife is in the same state, greetings.
gol_n_dal said:
Whilst you can run the have the same ROM and Radio versions on both phones you cannot convert Z710a <-> Z710e. They have different hardware for the data frequencies.
So in simple terms if your wife want's full 3G functionality she'll need a new phone. She'll still have Voice and Edge though.
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We were testing the functionality of both phones in WindMobile store and my wife's phone only connected to their roaming partners. I am not sure if above mentioned company even utilizes regular GSM frequencies... Perhaps the reason why they are so affordable is that they run VOIP all the time as long you are connected to theirs network. So although we spend 99% of the time in their coverage area, she would be paying roaming for everything (voice, text, data).
I am getting some info in different thread that I will try to act upon and see how it works. I am really desperate to cut all my ties with Rogers. I used to have cable TV and internet with them as well (now cancelled) but they keep on screwing customers more and more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32029294&postcount=1359
nick12666 said:
Hello, I'm from Argentina and I have an almost unused Z710e, if you want we can change if your wife is in the same state, greetings.
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That perhaps would be the best thing to do in order to get what I am trying to achieve. My wife's phone is only 2 months old, essentially new...
I've decided to purchase last year's model for her because although being fan of HTC products I would never buy a cellphone without mSD slot (that's what I've hated about my HTC Diamond before). I am just a bit worried about possible issues shipping phones back and forth between Canada and Argentina. Is there someone in Ontario, Canada interested to trade Z710e for Z710a?
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We were testing the functionality of both phones in WindMobile store and my wife's phone only connected to their roaming partners. I am not sure if above mentioned company even utilizes regular GSM frequencies... Perhaps the reason why they are so affordable is that they run VOIP all the time as long you are connected to theirs network. So although we spend 99% of the time in their coverage area, she would be paying roaming for everything (voice, text, data).
I am getting some info in different thread that I will try to act upon and see how it works. I am really desperate to cut all my ties with Rogers. I used to have cable TV and internet with them as well (now cancelled) but they keep on screwing customers more and more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32029294&postcount=1359
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GSM (voice) will work fine for both phones on all networks as will EDGE (2G data) on all networks, the issue is the 3G data side of things. So I don't know why GSM doesn't work it certainly should. They both have: Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz. The Z710a/Z710e difference is purely in the 3G side of things.
Re-reading your post, ahhhh VOIP == Data usage. If they purely use VOIP then you're stuffed, I'd be surprised though but I can't comment on that network.
Have a look at: http://www.gsmnation.com/htc-sensation-z710a-3g-850-1900-mhz.html
Then Network Compatibility -- Canada
Unfortunately they seem to have removed the Z710e phone, just invert the 3G ticks/crosses for it.