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[Q] Difference Between HTC (Z710e) Sensation V.S. HTC Sensation (WW Version)

Can somebody tell me what is the difference between HTC (Z710e) Sensation versus HTC Sensation (International Version) in terms of specs? I can't seem to justify why there is a very big difference in price. The Z710e being much cheaper.
Thanks in Advance.

I have the Z710e model and it's the generic European unbranded handset (running 1.35.401.1)

EddyOS said:
I have the Z710e model and it's the generic European unbranded handset (running 1.35.401.1)
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No Carrier Logos out of the box? Factory unlocked? No custom firmware?

100% stock - so long as you get x.xx.401.x (European) FW on it

i have Taiwanese Z710e (running 1.35.709.1)
it's stock ....

Z710e here... No problems, unbranded, S-ON.

Okay..that settles it then. I think I'm going for this Z710e.

redlinux said:
Can somebody tell me what is the difference between HTC (Z710e) Sensation versus HTC Sensation (International Version) in terms of specs? I can't seem to justify why there is a very big difference in price. The Z710e being much cheaper.
Thanks in Advance.
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Links please? Are you talking about european version and us (4g) version?

william31518 said:
i have Taiwanese Z710e (running 1.35.709.1)
it's stock ....
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Yes but it's from a different region. Depends where the OP is from really

If you are talking about the price difference you see in the US, that's because
- for the US version, most people selling it bought it from tmobile at a discount price with contract. In order to sell it, they have to lower the price to slightly cheaper than the full price, which is 550
- for the international version, it is not available in the US officially. People imported it from Europe or Asia, at full price. To cover cost, they sell it at above the full price of the device.
Hence the price difference. There isn't any difference between the specs of the two. The Us version has tmobile logo on it and tmobile branded software. But once people can get s-off, that would eliminate any software difference between the two. The US one is branded as a 4G device, and the international one isn't. But that's only because only carriers in the US brand HSPA+ as 4G....

just a quick question also only this time regarding the australian z710a telstra model. are they still 4g etc or are they of lesser spec.

boofhead said:
just a quick question also only this time regarding the australian z710a telstra model. are they still 4g etc or are they of lesser spec.
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http://www.htc.com/au/product/sensation/specification.html
According to HTC Aus website, its 3G speed is capable of 14.4 Mbps so it is a "4G" device by AT&T/T-Mobile standard...
Looking at the bands that this phone supports, it seems to have the same hardware as the Canadian Bell model. Bell also brands its as a 4G device, btw.

So, did I understand correctly that ALL Sensation versions are absolutely identical from the point of view of hardware and they all support HSDPA+, just some operators call it 4G and brand the device correspondingly while others do not?

The 4G supports different frequency bands to the normal GSM model
Network*
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia/T-Mobile US: 900/AWS/2100 MHz
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
*Network bands in regions other than Europe and Asia Pacific may be different, depending on the mobile operator and your location. Please check with your mobile operator.

EddyOS, thanks for your reply but now I'm even more confused
You say that:
HTC Sensation 4G is for 900/AWS/2100;
HTC Sensation Z710e is for 850/900/1800/1900, right?
Does this mean that HTC Sensation Z710e doesn't support UMTS (and, hence, HSDPA/HSDPA+) at all???
My operator works in 900/1800/2100(UMTS with HSDPA) bands. Does this mean I should choose Sensation 4G to be able to use high-speed Internet?

I have a Z710e and can connect at HSDPA

Then, the difference is that 4G just doesn't support 850/1900?

mine Z710e works on Tmobile US HSDPA. Full bar usually get 6M down 2 M up.
people say Tmobile Sensation 4G has faster data speed than Europe/Asia in US. like how much faster?

william31518 said:
mine Z710e works on Tmobile US HSDPA. Full bar usually get 6M down 2 M up.
people say Tmobile Sensation 4G has faster data speed than Europe/Asia in US. like how much faster?
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It does not! it is exactly the same!
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3875&idPhone2=3922

Sensation z710a and z710e
Hi Friend this is my first answer, the difference is simple but at the same time complex.
HTC Sensation like other phones has variants like this.
z710a:
GSM Quadband 850/900/1800/1900 MHz so you can use 2G networks with all carries but...
UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz only and if your carrier doesn't support this bands you can't use 3G or 3.5G with them.
z710e:
UMTS 900/1700/2100MHz here the same if your carrier doesn't support this frequencies you can't use 3G or 3.5G with them.
These are the main differences, and it's the same like happend with other brands like Samsung
S5360 work 3G with 900/2100
S5360L works 3G with 850/1900
S5830 work 3G with 900/2100
S5830L works 3G with 850/1900
I don't know why this differences because i thinks that it's cheap and easy to simply make phones that work 3G in pentaband 850/900/1700/1900/2100, but for any reason and i don't know why is like that for now.
I hope helps you and other people too.

US Sensation 4G Versus UK Model

Sorry - just noticed the Q & A section...
I placed an order with an Amazon UK seller and have received a branded T-Mobile Sensation 4G model - I was expecting a UK model which this is clearly not.
Should I be worried? I'd welcome any comments on:
Warranty - valid with HTC or only via the seller? 2 Years?
3G and 4G bands? Will it work as a HSDPA connected 3G phone here in Europe? Have I actually got a more capable phone with more network bands that I would have for a UK model? It appears so from this: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3922&idPhone2=3875
Any comments welcome. The price was good at £434.20 incl P&P and this is SIM free.

If you can put up with the T-Mobile branding/waiting for OS updates then keep it. Personally, I'd send it back and pay the extra for a genuine unbranded EU model

EddyOS said:
If you can put up with the T-Mobile branding/waiting for OS updates then keep it. Personally, I'd send it back and pay the extra for a genuine unbranded EU model
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Hadn't thought about the software. I assume, as we are all, that the Sensation will soon be able to be updated with XDA Dev ROMs. If so there should be no difference then? But would the radio inside this phone currently be optimised for the US T-Mobile network? I know that lots of people seem to think radios version suitability depends upon where you are - I wonder if the radios in US 4G Sensations are different to the ones here in the UK

tony.wheeler said:
Sorry - just noticed the Q & A section...
I placed an order with an Amazon UK seller and have received a branded T-Mobile Sensation 4G model - I was expecting a UK model which this is clearly not.
Should I be worried? I'd welcome any comments on:
Warranty - valid with HTC or only via the seller? 2 Years?
3G and 4G bands? Will it work as a HSDPA connected 3G phone here in Europe? Have I actually got a more capable phone with more network bands that I would have for a UK model? It appears so from this: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3922&idPhone2=3875
Any comments welcome. The price was good at £434.20 incl P&P and this is SIM free.
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It's not about Euro model 3G capable or US model 4G capable. The Europe/Asia model Z710e is capable of 4G too. It depends on your network provider if they have enabled HSPA+(4G).
T-Mobile I'm pretty sure they run mostly on the 2100MHz band (in USA they do) and they have been upgrading their network equipment to enable HSPA+(4G).

T-Mobile I'm pretty sure they run mostly on the 2100MHz band...
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Well, not exactly. TMOUS uses UMTS band IV (1700/2100). Not UMTS band I, which is what people generally mean when talking about 2100 Mhz. They are different. Most of Europe uses UMTS band I and/or UMTS band VIII (900). 4g/3g is irrelevant here since it is only a marketing term in this instance, as shadowboy23 said. They are both capable of the same speeds on the same networks.
Now, I have not seen definitive specs yet for the TMOUS version. T-Mobile says it is UMTS I and IV, but the box it comes in says I, II, and IV. No mention of band VIII. If I were you, I would return it and get the European version, since it has band VIII, which you may or may not need, depending on your area.
Just curious - what is listed on your box for band support?

Tmobile HTC sensation 4g box says..
Umts 1700,1900,2100
Correct me is I am wrong, but the UK uses 2100 up and down? Best for the op to call service provider and confirm what band they use for data service.
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[Q] How distinguish HTC Sensation 4G from HTC Sensation?

Hi everyone,
sorry for a noob question.
I have a HTC HD2 running an android rom (Typhonn), and tomorrow, i'm going to buy a new HTC, the Htc Sensation. The store says it is a HTC Sensation 4G (T-MObile version).
I have been reading a lot of stuff about, but untill now i'm still unable to distinguish a 4G model from other sensation ( i don't know how it used to be named - maybe vanilla whatelse).
Is there a specific serial number or a simple test or any sign or place in settings or configurations i can go to confirm if it is the genuine 4G model?
Once again, sorry for my bad english, for my noob question, and thanks in advance for your attention.
p.s. yes, i've already googled for it, but find lots of confusing pictures and reviews.

piratashitzu said:
Hi everyone,
sorry for a noob question.
I have an HTC HD2 running an android rom (Typhonn), and tomorrow, i'm going to buy a new HTC, the Htc Sensation. The store says it is a HTC Sensation 4G (T-MObile version).
I have been reading a lot of stuff about, but untill now i'm still unable to distinguish a 4G model from other sensation ( i don't know how it used to be named - maybe vanilla whatelse).
Is there a specific serial number or a simple test or any sign or place in settings or configurations i can go to confirm if it is the genuine 4G model?
Once again, sorry for my bad english, for my noob question, and thanks in advance for your attention.
p.s. yes, i've already googled for it, but find lots of confusing pictures and reviews.
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Youll probably see the T-Mobile logo on it somewhere near the top front of the screen. Also, if this is any sort of reputable dealer, they ought know what they have.
Matt

Easy, the unbranded one has HTC logo in the middle, and 4G version has HTC logo on the left and T-mobile logo on the right (below the top speaker)
Swyped from my HTC Sensation

As both are HSPA+ capable, they are both "4G."

mrg02d said:
Youll probably see the T-Mobile logo on it somewhere near the top front of the screen. Also, if this is any sort of reputable dealer, they ought know what they have.
Matt
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idavid_ said:
Easy, the unbranded one has HTC logo in the middle, and 4G version has HTC logo on the left and T-mobile logo on the right (below the top speaker)
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
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Thank you guys. But i've already read about 4G distributted by canadian Bell, then this 4G model comes with a Bell logo in the upper right instead of T-Mobile logo?
Rod3 said:
As both are HSPA+ capable, they are both "4G."
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Thank you Rod3, so the only difference is the T-Mobile (or Bell) logo in the right side, just below speaker? Because there are some sites talking sensation is 3G dual band, and 4G is 3G triband. This all based on this comparation.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3922&idPhone2=3875
look at both 3G network line, 4G additional 1700 Mhz capable. This is right?
Maybe it has a sign in the battery like HTC HD2. Can u tell me if your sensatio battery has the model of phone type printed?
Once again thanks.

piratashitzu said:
Thank you guys. But i've already read about 4G distributted by canadian Bell, then this 4G model comes with a Bell logo in the upper right instead of T-Mobile logo?
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I've never seen a Bell version, but I think it looks the same as unbranded
Edit: I just found pics of Bell version, and yes, it looks the same as unbranded
Swyped from my HTC Sensation

idavid_ said:
I've never seen a Bell version, but I think it looks the same as unbranded
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
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You are correct. Just the HTC logo under the speaker.

Done.
T-Mobile 4g model bought.
Everything is ok. Actualy no real difference from sensation unbranded (technical specs), just only the T-Mo logo.
Thanks you all.
See you on Sensations subforum.
p.s. Time to read a lot about starting rooting, s-off , mods, roms and other things about this beauty.

There is a difference that is more than cosmetic and that as you already mentioned is the data bands. Where are you and what bands does your provider use for 3G/4G data?
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moto211 said:
There is a difference that is more than cosmetic and that as you already mentioned is the data bands. Where are you and what bands does your provider use for 3G/4G data?
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Bands are the same on both
Swyped from my HTC Sensation

idavid_ said:
Bands are the same on both
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
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Really? They might be the same on the tmo and the bell mobility versions but the OP didn't mention bell mobility. And I could be mistaken, but doesn't the tmo version have different bands then say the unbranded european version?

moto211 said:
Really? They might be the same on the tmo and the bell mobility versions but the OP didn't mention bell mobility. And I could be mistaken, but doesn't the tmo version have different bands then say the unbranded european version?
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Bell and tmobile are different bands.
The bell version has support for 850/1900 wcdma.

idavid_ said:
Bands are the same on both
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
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Sorry to raise this again, but, really? I bought a T-Mobile unlocked Sensation 4G, and on the website I bought it from (newaci.com) the UMTS bands were listed as 900, 1700, 2100. The box, however, had the following on it - 1700, 2100, 1900 (in that order). Now I am using this beauty on Wind Mobile, with is UMTS 1700, so that's fine, but what I'd like to ascertain is whether my phone will work AS 3G (that's crucial) on Bell or Rogers (they both use UMTS 1900 as 3G band).
I don't even know how I can check it. I have a Bell SIM, but as I ported my number, it is no longer able to log on to Bell network (and the plan that came with it didn't have data anyway). HOWEVER, when I put this Bell SIM card into the phone and ask it to search for WCDMA-only networks, it _does_ detect Bell network. But again, as my SIM is not registered at Bell anymore, I cannot register and so I cannot check properly.
Thanks for clarifying in advance.
EDIT: I just checked newayci.com, and it used to be listed on newayci.com as 900-1700-2100 two weeks ago, but now they've corrected the specs to 1900-1700-2100. _However_, again, in the carrier chart them guys claim that the phone, as far as mobile internet browsing is concerned, will only work as 2G on Rogers, and that it won't work on Bell at all - which doesn't add up at all, if UMTS 1900 band is really in the phone (for both Bell and Rogers use it for 3G).

nornore said:
Sorry to raise this again, but, really? I bought a T-Mobile unlocked Sensation 4G, and on the website I bought it from (newaci.com) the UMTS bands were listed as 900, 1700, 2100. The box, however, had the following on it - 1700, 2100, 1900 (in that order). Now I am using this beauty on Wind Mobile, with is UMTS 1700, so that's fine, but what I'd like to ascertain is whether my phone will work AS 3G (that's crucial) on Bell or Rogers (they both use UMTS 1900 as 3G band).
I don't even know how I can check it. I have a Bell SIM, but as I ported my number, it is no longer able to log on to Bell network (and the plan that came with it didn't have data anyway). HOWEVER, when I put this Bell SIM card into the phone and ask it to search for WCDMA-only networks, it _does_ detect Bell network. But again, as my SIM is not registered at Bell anymore, I cannot register and so I cannot check properly.
Thanks for clarifying in advance.
EDIT: I just checked newayci.com, and it used to be listed on newayci.com as 900-1700-2100 two weeks ago, but now they've corrected the specs to 1900-1700-2100. _However_, again, in the carrier chart them guys claim that the phone, as far as mobile internet browsing is concerned, will only work as 2G on Rogers, and that it won't work on Bell at all - which doesn't add up at all, if UMTS 1900 band is really in the phone (for both Bell and Rogers use it for 3G).
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I meant that Sensation 4G and unbranded Sensation have the same bands. The Bell version has different bands from both
Swyped from my HTC Sensation

[Q] sensation hardware that is being sold in N. America

guys could you please update me on the subject
i need to clarify the fact that there are two versions of sensation in north america
1) 900/1700/2100 MHz (tmobile)
2) 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (att)
because that would explain the price gap between two of them (~200$) as the first one is useless in rest of the world/europe and thus lacks export demand........

as far as i know there is no sensation for at&t at the moment. Maybe your thinking of the Bell version in Canada? Also the price should be the same except maybe the t-mobile one is the price after the 2 year contract subsidy.

not sure which one is it but it is very clear on ebay that prices on second version are higher
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just need some guru to confirm the fact that there are two versions for UMTS band 4 and 5 ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
the outcome is probably lack of 3g speed data transfers in europe with us tmobile version of the phone...

Yes, the T-mobile version is umts band 4 and the Bell wireless one is umts band 5. Gut if your using it in Europe why don't you just get the Europe version of the HTC sensation?

i am just asking to make sure...

-=knop=- said:
guys could you please update me on the subject
i need to clarify the fact that there are two versions of sensation in north america
1) 900/1700/2100 MHz (tmobile)
2) 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (att)
because that would explain the price gap between two of them (~200$) as the first one is useless in rest of the world/europe and thus lacks export demand........
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I'm confused. While I was in England, I thought I used my T-Mobile Sensation for calls (although, most were through WiFi).

[Q] convert HTC Sensation Z710a in to Z710e

I have a HTC Sensation Z710e rooted and S-off with custom "Android Revolution HD" ICS ROM. My wife has a HTC Sensation Z710a with an official ICS ROM. We are both on dinosaur Rogers network that gauges on its clients planning to switch over to WindMobile. The problem we are having is that my wife's Sensation won't work on WindMobile network. It's because WindMobile operates on AWS 1700 band that is supported by Z710e model (HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100) but not by Z710a (HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100).
Going trough all different threads in Sensation forums I am getting lot of conflicting info so my question is; if I root, S-off and install Android Revolution HD ROM that comes with it's own radio and essentially converts regular Sensation in to Sensation XE; will my wife's Sensation Z710a be able to support AWS 1700 band as well?
Is it only software (firmware, baseband, radio) or actual hardware that differentiates Z710e and Z710a models? Both my wife's and mine phone look exactly the same unbranded HTC Sensations...

czguy said:
I have a HTC Sensation Z710e rooted and S-off with custom "Android Revolution HD" ICS ROM. My wife has a HTC Sensation Z710a with an official ICS ROM. We are both on dinosaur Rogers network that gauges on its clients planning to switch over to WindMobile. The problem we are having is that my wife's Sensation won't work on WindMobile network. It's because WindMobile operates on AWS 1700 band that is supported by Z710e model (HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100) but not by Z710a (HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100).
Going trough all different threads in Sensation forums I am getting lot of conflicting info so my question is; if I root, S-off and install Android Revolution HD ROM that comes with it's own radio and essentially converts regular Sensation in to Sensation XE; will my wife's Sensation Z710a be able to support AWS 1700 band as well?
I am not posting this question in Android Revolution HD ROM forum because this question is applicable to any custom ROM. Is it only software (firmware, baseband, radio) or actual hardware that differentiates Z710e and Z710a models? Both my wife's and mine phone look exactly the same unbranded HTC Sensations...
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Whilst you can run the have the same ROM and Radio versions on both phones you cannot convert Z710a <-> Z710e. They have different hardware for the data frequencies.
So in simple terms if your wife want's full 3G functionality she'll need a new phone. She'll still have Voice and Edge though.

czguy said:
I have a HTC Sensation Z710e rooted and S-off with custom "Android Revolution HD" ICS ROM. My wife has a HTC Sensation Z710a with an official ICS ROM. We are both on dinosaur Rogers network that gauges on its clients planning to switch over to WindMobile. The problem we are having is that my wife's Sensation won't work on WindMobile network. It's because WindMobile operates on AWS 1700 band that is supported by Z710e model (HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100) but not by Z710a (HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100).
Going trough all different threads in Sensation forums I am getting lot of conflicting info so my question is; if I root, S-off and install Android Revolution HD ROM that comes with it's own radio and essentially converts regular Sensation in to Sensation XE; will my wife's Sensation Z710a be able to support AWS 1700 band as well?
Is it only software (firmware, baseband, radio) or actual hardware that differentiates Z710e and Z710a models? Both my wife's and mine phone look exactly the same unbranded HTC Sensations...
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Hello, I'm from Argentina and I have an almost unused Z710e, if you want we can change if your wife is in the same state, greetings.

gol_n_dal said:
Whilst you can run the have the same ROM and Radio versions on both phones you cannot convert Z710a <-> Z710e. They have different hardware for the data frequencies.
So in simple terms if your wife want's full 3G functionality she'll need a new phone. She'll still have Voice and Edge though.
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We were testing the functionality of both phones in WindMobile store and my wife's phone only connected to their roaming partners. I am not sure if above mentioned company even utilizes regular GSM frequencies... Perhaps the reason why they are so affordable is that they run VOIP all the time as long you are connected to theirs network. So although we spend 99% of the time in their coverage area, she would be paying roaming for everything (voice, text, data).
I am getting some info in different thread that I will try to act upon and see how it works. I am really desperate to cut all my ties with Rogers. I used to have cable TV and internet with them as well (now cancelled) but they keep on screwing customers more and more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32029294&postcount=1359

nick12666 said:
Hello, I'm from Argentina and I have an almost unused Z710e, if you want we can change if your wife is in the same state, greetings.
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That perhaps would be the best thing to do in order to get what I am trying to achieve. My wife's phone is only 2 months old, essentially new...
I've decided to purchase last year's model for her because although being fan of HTC products I would never buy a cellphone without mSD slot (that's what I've hated about my HTC Diamond before). I am just a bit worried about possible issues shipping phones back and forth between Canada and Argentina. Is there someone in Ontario, Canada interested to trade Z710e for Z710a?

czguy said:
We were testing the functionality of both phones in WindMobile store and my wife's phone only connected to their roaming partners. I am not sure if above mentioned company even utilizes regular GSM frequencies... Perhaps the reason why they are so affordable is that they run VOIP all the time as long you are connected to theirs network. So although we spend 99% of the time in their coverage area, she would be paying roaming for everything (voice, text, data).
I am getting some info in different thread that I will try to act upon and see how it works. I am really desperate to cut all my ties with Rogers. I used to have cable TV and internet with them as well (now cancelled) but they keep on screwing customers more and more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32029294&postcount=1359
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GSM (voice) will work fine for both phones on all networks as will EDGE (2G data) on all networks, the issue is the 3G data side of things. So I don't know why GSM doesn't work it certainly should. They both have: Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz. The Z710a/Z710e difference is purely in the 3G side of things.
Re-reading your post, ahhhh VOIP == Data usage. If they purely use VOIP then you're stuffed, I'd be surprised though but I can't comment on that network.
Have a look at: http://www.gsmnation.com/htc-sensation-z710a-3g-850-1900-mhz.html
Then Network Compatibility -- Canada
Unfortunately they seem to have removed the Z710e phone, just invert the 3G ticks/crosses for it.