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[Q] Kernel 3.x for Desire S ROMs ?

Hi,
I've been reading here and there discussions about Kernel 3.0 sources not being released yet by HTC.
Someplace else someone spoke about future release of 3.x kernel source for Sensation.
My question is, can we expect someday a 3.0 kernel on alternate ROMs for Desire S ?
If such thing happens, can we expect improvements, especially in Open SL-ES (real low-latency audio) ?
Thx!

Isn't 3.x Honeycomb? So I guess you mean 4.x (Ice Cream Sandwich). There are no official Roms out yet and afaik there is no official statement if the Desire S will get it or not. But there are custom ICS roms in the the development section. But if you want to test them I suggest you get more info about all the flashing stuff in this forum, to be sure you don't mess anything up.
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No I really meant kernel version.
Currently Desire S has 2.6.35(.8?).
heard there's a plan at HTC to release kernel 3.0 sources for -some- devices, so i'm wondering if we can expect a 3.0 kernel to land on DS roms.

Yes he's talking about kernel version 3.0. We probably won't see it for a while. AT LEAST until the first sense 4.0 device is released
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Is it a sure fact that HTC will release kernel 3.0 sources after Edge / Ville /... start shipping, or just an assumption ?

dmfr said:
Is it a sure fact that HTC will release kernel 3.0 sources after Edge / Ville /... start shipping, or just an assumption ?
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An assumption. But if i'm correct HTC must release the kernel source code to comply with GPL. I think it also has to release it due to the fact that android is open source which pretty much ties in with GPL.

[Q] Favourite ROM? Poll inside!

Hy guys!
Hope i will not angry the mods with this thread.
With this thread i want to create a poll of the favorite ROMs for the Desire S.
It's by no means discriminatory, all developers are doing a great job and i really appreciate the entire community.
Just wanted to see from other users their opinion regarding the favorite ROMs (based on experience).
I have included 2 external polls : 1 for AOSP and 1 for Sense 3.5
The included ROMs for the poll are :
AOSP:
CM 7.1 Stable
Reaper ROM
BlackIce
ZuluGen
CM 7.2 Nightlies
MIUI ROM
Oxygen ROM
SENSE 3.5:
Virtuous Affinity
Endymion ROM
RcMix 3D
CoreDroid
RunnyDroid
BlissDroid
AOSP Poll & SENSE 3.5 Poll
Thanks!
PS : if anyone requests a new ROM in the Poll i will gladly add it. The poll does not include any Android 4.0.x roms (maybe after they are stable and 100% operational we can do that to)
LE : Results after 8 days

my fav
blissdroid by pv team

aliishere said:
blissdroid by pv team
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Hello, thanks for the input, just added BlissDroid and Oxygen ROM to the poll, you ca now express your feelings there
Below you can see the result after the first day of voting, i hope that more users will trow a vote in order to have a more exact status regarding the favourite roms of the Desire S community

Can you please stop spamming on every ROM thread on the development forum? It also stops me from voting cuz I find it very annoying.

There is no such thing as CM7.2 stable.. yet...
Please change.
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olyloh6696 said:
There is no such thing as CM7.2 stable.. yet...
Please change.
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Done, changed thanks for the head's up

First post update with the result after 8 days of voting

MIUI ICS for the win

pellatarte said:
MIUI ICS for the win
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me too!!!

mikisbd said:
me too!!!
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))
unfortunately ICS is not part of the poll
I personally prefer the ICS version from LC... but it's just me

Favourite ROM
my favorite rom for htc desire s proven:
for android aosp
-ZuluGen
-CM 7.1 stable
and android ICS (by testing)
-Virtuous Quadrant RC3
-ICS CM9 Alpha
-IceColdSandwich (now)
with a very good result
good job guys.....

cyanogen all the way, installed miui for like 5 minutes, i thought i had an iphone so it freaked me out, and went back to cyanogen it has stability and performance like no other

I used every rom made so far. MIUI has always been the most stable.
So I go back to it after removing another rom.
Every rom has some bugs which drives me crazy.
I also dont like the iphone style but the other features of MIUI are awesome.
Just the notification bar toggles are even enough to choose it

Endy FOR THE WIN

[Q] Why don't we have a stock vanilla ics rom on this phone?

I come from using a nexus one, and before that a g1, so I am used to having vanilla android on my phone or at least having the option to have it. I bought the one S when my phone broke down thinking that the htc sense UI would not be such bad thing. However after a few weeks I still can't seem to get used to it and actually have grown to hate it. I installed a rom that doesn't have most of sense but it still doesn't have the same feel. So getting to my question, why isn't there a rom that is just plain ics without sense. Will this ever be available?
Also kind of off topic, but why was sense ever created? I understand that htc wanted to put a twist on android but wouldn't it be enough to create the apps and widgets? I feel like some of the key features of android are lost and for little gain. What is going to happen when jelly bean rolls out? Will one S owners have to wait more while htc tweaks it to work with sense again? I have gotten really used to the hardware aspects of this phone but I am contemplating switching over to a galaxy nexus just for the benefit of having vanilla android and having more development support.

Have you tried CM9 or Paranoid?

kayc said:
I come from using a nexus one, and before that a g1, so I am used to having vanilla android on my phone or at least having the option to have it. I bought the one S when my phone broke down thinking that the htc sense UI would not be such bad thing. However after a few weeks I still can't seem to get used to it and actually have grown to hate it. I installed a rom that doesn't have most of sense but it still doesn't have the same feel. So getting to my question, why isn't there a rom that is just plain ics without sense. Will this ever be available?
Also kind of off topic, but why was sense ever created? I understand that htc wanted to put a twist on android but wouldn't it be enough to create the apps and widgets? I feel like some of the key features of android are lost and for little gain. What is going to happen when jelly bean rolls out? Will one S owners have to wait more while htc tweaks it to work with sense again? I have gotten really used to the hardware aspects of this phone but I am contemplating switching over to a galaxy nexus just for the benefit of having vanilla android and having more development support.
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What the hell do you think CM9, AOKP, and Paranoidandroid roms are????
You sir are a NOOB!
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LikeaG2root said:
What the hell do you think CM9, AOKP, and Paranoidandroid roms are????
You sir are a NOOB!
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They are not AOSP, they are based on it. And heavily modded. This dude just wants AOSP.

DownloaderZ said:
They are not AOSP, they are based on it. And heavily modded. This dude just wants AOSP.
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CM9 isn't aosp???? My phone says otherwise. Willing to bet aokp is too... what are you talking about? CM9 isn't a sense rom dude
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aren't they all based on Sense kernel? which beats the purpose of it all.

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aren't they all based on Sense kernel? which beats the purpose of it all.
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Idk man... I'm new to this phone, but I know my phone is now on Android 4.0.4, and there isn't a single hint of sense ANYWHERE in the ROM. I also had to flash a different kernel so I would be willing to bet its not on the stock kernel
Sent from my HTC One S running CM9

glacierguy said:
Idk man... I'm new to this phone, but I know my phone is now on Android 4.0.4, and there isn't a single hint of sense ANYWHERE in the ROM. I also had to flash a different kernel so I would be willing to bet its not on the stock kernel
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that differen kernel is still based on a heavy "sensed" one by HTC. easily tested by it's multitasking ability or lack thereof. i don't think anybody "de-sensed" it completely yet.
HTC One S via XDA

CM9, AOKP and Parandroid are not sense Based. Ohe kernel is not sense based. a good example is MIUI, there are 2 MIUI builds, one is AOSP based (based on CM9) and the other one is sense Based.
Want proof by your own? flash CM9 or AOKP and flash a sense kernel on top of it and try to boot the phone. you will get a boot loop.
CM9 is the closest you will get to an AOSP pure vainilla rom since is based on it.

You guys on the first page must be pretty challenged... CM9, AOKP, and PARANOID are based off the the CM9 source. They have NOTHING to do with Sense. The only Sense based ROM (not stock ROMs, IE TrickDroid) is one version of MIUI as it has the stock Sense camera and such...
Sense was created because it's what HTC wanted. Why is there TouchWiz, Moto Blur, or anything else like that? It's because the device manufacturers wanted their own version. Thank the dev team for the option to switch different version of Android... We will only have AOSP ROMs and not ever stock ICS (no mods) ROMs because there is no stock ICS for our device. Only Sense or AOSP.

LikeaG2root said:
What the hell do you think CM9, AOKP, and Paranoidandroid roms are????
You sir are a NOOB!
Sent from my HTC One S using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2
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That's really funny that you're calling him out when CM is definitely not stock vanilla ics.

So, the easiest answer to this question is because no one, including the OP, has created one yet, if its even possible with what there is to work with.
I'm actually pretty happy with all of the options devs have created for this phone.

only "nexus" phones have vanilla ics

nvillamob said:
That's really funny that you're calling him out when CM is definitely not stock vanilla ics.
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Not as funny as you saying CM9 is not aosp. It is built from aosp and made to look look and act like aosp. Don't understand you fools?????
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Not as funny as you saying CM9 is not aosp. It is built from aosp and made to look look and act like aosp. Don't understand you fools?????
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He never said that. Relax, man. The OP is just commenting on how he's tired of Sense and would prefer a more vanilla experience.

Closed Source Project said:
We will only have AOSP ROMs and not ever stock ICS (no mods) ROMs because there is no stock ICS for our device. Only Sense or AOSP.
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What does "stock ICS" actually mean in this context? AOSP is the true Android experience as Google intended, right? So, is stock ICS something else?
So we can get:
AOSP - original;
AOSP - customized;
Sense - original (default)
Sense - customized.
Is this correct?
Wouldn't we be able to get TouchWiz ROMs, for example?
I'm new to flashing ROMs and all, but I've been following the scene for the past few months, and even though I can say I'm among the brighter people, I still have difficulties understanding - mostly - the nomenclature of the scene.

We don't have it because is EVIL. That stupid google search gadget permanently stuck to all pages is ridiculously stupid. Plus indeed a lot of the interface. HTC Sense is like a cool breeze.

well i come from HTC Sensation ROMS, and in that sections there are a lots of "Senseless ROMS" where everything related with sense is removed, except for the camera, and the roms were so smooth and as fast as AOSP ROMS, the feeling was exactly the same,
I hope someone make a senseless rom for HTC One S soon because its really awesome (like a AOSP rom without any bug becaus its based on a sense rom byt without any sense part)

renehd2 said:
well i come from HTC Sensation ROMS, and in that sections there are a lots of "Senseless ROMS" where everything related with sense is removed, except for the camera, and the roms were so smooth and as fast as AOSP ROMS, the feeling was exactly the same,
I hope someone make a senseless rom for HTC One S soon because its really awesome (like a AOSP rom without any bug becaus its based on a sense rom byt without any sense part)
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There are AOSP roms; they are just in the alpha stage of development and rather buggy in some areas. If you want a senseless ROM (as in the actual sense launcher removed), any of the HTC-based roms (including stock, non-rooted phones) can have Sense removed and replaced by any launcher from the market. I've tried the existing AOSP roms, and aside from the bugs... the stripped down HTC-roms as just a quick.

Is GB faster than ICS on Desire S?

Hi guys,
I tried many ICS roms some sense and other non-sense still all are laggy and no ICS rom is comparable with GB roms especially MIUI.GB .. is that true or I'm missing something here? Is it kernel source for Desire S? I don't think so as Virtuous Saga rom is laggy too
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Virtuous Saga is a leaked ROM, it isn't final and isn't fully polished/tested. Moreover, the kernel and ROM might be running in debug or partial debug mode, dumping lots of data and slowing down the system. The only other stock ICS ROM for testing is the community ROM from chinese OTA, but it doesn't have some of the functionality.
Given proper drivers or kernel adaptation, I don't think there should be any reason for slower ICS performance. One of the causes might be lack of kernel source, and adaptations for older binary drivers that are done to compensate for it. But it's only my opinion, not facts - I can't prove or disprove it.

Hi, have you tried AOKP? I just recently restored my old GB Sense ROM after having used AOKP for the last couple of months, just to see which one feels faster. After just one day I was back on AOKP. :laugh:

ahmedsalahais said:
Hi guys,
I tried many ICS roms some sense and other non-sense still all are laggy and no ICS rom is comparable with GB roms especially MIUI.GB .. is that true or I'm missing something here? Is it kernel source for Desire S? I don't think so as Virtuous Saga rom is laggy too
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My opinion: all ICS ROMs for Desire S are still laggy and baggy in some way I've tried a couple of them and I'm still disappointed We are all hard waiting for HTC to release kernel 3.0 source. After that some problems with speed and stability will be fixed. And after that we'll see is "true" ICS on Desire S faster or not Until now - yes, faster. In my opinion, of course.

I use icecoldsandwitch and like it very much.
Its based on the AOKP rom.
Still a bit laggy but as good as it gets.

What's up with HTC based MIUIv4?

Hey guys, I've installed the latest ICS MIUI which seems to be based not on AOSP but on an HTC based (alas about +200mb in size) which leaves some HTC sense features behind (like magnifier, camera) personally i think this is the best thing that ever happened XD it's so stable and stuff and it even has internet passthrough! ouo
So what's up with that? i thought HTC's bases weren't as open as to lay out a whole MIUI flavor on them? is this gonna be the norm from now on? (i really hope so!)
Thanks! ouo

Recently (since ICS) all official Chinese MIUI ROMs are being based on stock ROMs (TouchWiz, Sense etc) instead of AOSP (like CM9). This is because it's more stable this way. Still, unofficial builds like the JB ones from MIUI.us are based on JB since there will likely be no official updates

One word, aosp based are better, htc based are them being lazy and packing changes to official builds.

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superkid said:
One word, aosp based are better, htc based are them being lazy and packing changes to official builds.
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So, if I get this right, from now on MIUI will be not much more than a few cosmetic changes and a different launcher, with no real "progress" between HTC releases? Sounds like a dead end to me...

superkid said:
One word, aosp based are better, htc based are them being lazy and packing changes to official builds.
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So true, But, there is not yet 'very stable ICS AOSP ROM' for saga
I really miss your MIUIv4 build, a lot of customization I can do, I hope you will make a build again if there is Stable ICS AOSP
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shrome99 said:
Recently (since ICS) all official Chinese MIUI ROMs are being based on stock ROMs (TouchWiz, Sense etc) instead of AOSP (like CM9). This is because it's more stable this way. Still, unofficial builds like the JB ones from MIUI.us are based on JB since there will likely be no official updates
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can you release the Kenel patch for this ROM.