Looks like 3gb cap for 3g and 5gb for LTE
http://www.att.com/esupport/datausage.jsp?source=IZDUel1160000000U
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I'm OK with this cap, I use 2-3gb every month and that's using 2 full batteries a day on my SR for Facebook, XDA, Reddit, and YouTube videos
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So, the big question is
Do we get seperate caps or is it 5GB if we have an LTE device?
I know there are times I am not on LTE(depending on the area) Does the HSPA+ count towards the LTE limit?
Now I never get close to 3GB but still would like to know.
nest75068 said:
So, the big question is
Do we get seperate caps or is it 5GB if we have an LTE device?
I know there are times I am not on LTE(depending on the area) Does the HSPA+ count towards the LTE limit?
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Doesn't seem like it. It just says 4g lte smartphone, so if your not in a LTE area, but have a LTE phone you would have a 5gb cap
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Bummer. I couldn't deal with the throttle any longer so I switched to a tiered plan last month.
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I think for an LTE imei registered smartphone it's 5gb. I can live with this, pretty much like the other carriers. If you don't have an lte, you're more likely going to get one in the future anyways. Now, let's see that data sharing policy in place ;-)
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Finally, and I can live with 5gb. I just wonder now what the throttle speeds are. I wonder if att knew they where going to start getting sued LOL. Also I would like to think when we move to "5G" and such out data limits will increase. I think att knew they couldn't do this so they where super aggressive to make people drop their plans and only the diehards are left. Now that they reached a breaking point they are now being more fair. Yay for that Guy who sued them lol
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When they say they will throttle us LTE users at 5GB, does that mean they are going back to the 2G edge speeds for the rest of the billing cycle, making our phones once again unusable, or is it going to be more of a Verizon type of throttling where it's only if it's during a certain peak-usage time on a congested tower, and even then it's down to 3G speeds?
If it's the latter, I am pleased. 5GB of LTE and then HSPA+ for anything over is fine by me. I must point out that non of the APN bypass things work for me at all anymore, so if after 5GB I'm on HSPA+, well, HSPA+ is still plenty fast for me.
If it's the former, however, then I'll still be just as disappointed. Actually pissed and outraged. Going from 2GB to 5GB to start throttling really is not much of an improvement to me, since if I wanted to, at these insane LTE speeds they are giving me in San Francisco (maxed out around 50Mbs down), I could download 5GB in about 15 minutes on LTE speeds. So hypothetically once my billing cycle reset, if after 15 minutes of heavy LTE usage I was then throttled to EDGE speeds for the rest of the month, I'll be pissed.
So yeah, anyone know? Are they still going to throttle at EDGE speeds for the remainder of the month regardless of peak times/congested towers/etc? If so, then this new 5GB LTE cap is still complete and utter bull****, just like 2GB was. But if it's NOT EDGE speeds, and not necessarily all the time until the next billing cycle, then it's welcomed.
nest75068 said:
So, the big question is
Do we get seperate caps or is it 5GB if we have an LTE device?
I know there are times I am not on LTE(depending on the area) Does the HSPA+ count towards the LTE limit?
Now I never get close to 3GB but still would like to know.
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It is based on you data plan regardless of you are getting LTE is the way I read it. You might travel to an LTE area. If you have a LTE data plan it will be 5GB.
Straight from the web site.
Looks like you will remain throttled for the remainder of the billing cycle.
I understand the throttle speeds are supposed to be more usable and not the 56k modem speed crap they've been doing.
If you have a smartphone that works on our 3G or 4G network and still have an unlimited data plan,
You'll receive a text message when your usage approaches 3GB in one billing cycle.
Each time you use 3GB or more in a billing cycle, your data speeds will be reduced for the rest of that billing cycle and then go back to normal.
The next time you exceed that usage level, your speeds will be reduced without another text message reminder.
If you have a 4G LTE smartphone and still have an unlimited data plan, the same process applies at 5GB of data usage, instead of 3GB.
You'll still be able to use as much data as you want. That won't change. Only your data throughput speed will change if you use 3GB or more in one billing cycle on a 3G or 4G smartphone or 5GB or more on a 4G LTE smartphone.
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Finally, and I can live with 5gb. I just wonder now what the throttle speeds are. I wonder if att knew they where going to start getting sued LOL. Also I would like to think when we move to "5G" and such out data limits will increase. I think att knew they couldn't do this so they where super aggressive to make people drop their plans and only the diehards are left. Now that they reached a breaking point they are now being more fair. Yay for that Guy who sued them lol
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Well the fact that that iPhone user sued over not getting true unlimited and won probably influenced them a bit, not to mention I'm sure they were tired of getting reports from their CSRs of angry customers calling in to ***** about using 2.1 GB and being throttled and threatening to cancel unless they got some perk in response.
I also can live with 5GB. The only time I used excessive data was when I had to stream my SiriusXM all day at work. Now that I figured out how to get a signal with my regular radio I can safely stay below or around 2GB. The fact that I get up to 5GB because I have an LTE phone (although no LTE coverage, boo) and I'm paying $30 instead of $50 AND I just get slow speeds as opposed to $10 charge for going over has me satisfied.
im happy with 5GB.. its not "unlimited" but i think its manageable
the 2GB was BS which is why in my protest i was hitting 80GB a month but my avg is 3.5-4gb so im happy
no more protesting for me =)
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Straight from the web site.
Looks like you will remain throttled for the remainder of the billing cycle.
I understand the throttle speeds are supposed to be more usable and not the 56k modem speed crap they've been doing.
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Well what is "more usable"? 3G speeds? Somewhere between EDGE and 3G?
I'm totally satisfied with this, as I never go over 5GB monthly, but I do go over 2GB.
We have won the battle.... but not the war my unlimited data friends. LOLOL
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I have:
Grandfathered unlimited data with 300 texts for 24.99usd/mo.
At 4g I get around 2.55mpbs up and .71mpbs down (all approximate of course).
When I was live chatting with tmo, the rep to activate my new SIM card as well as confirming my IMEI number, the rep said I needed an android plan. I responded that I had a nexus one and was running 3mpbs easy with the same data plan. And they responded with the blanket statement of you won't be getting the full data 4g speeds without it. Which I think is BS ....
So what plan are you guys on and what are your speeds using speedtest?
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I have:
Grandfathered unlimited data with 300 texts for 24.99usd/mo.
At 4g I get around 2.55mpbs up and .71mpbs down (all approximate of course).
When I was live chatting with tmo, the rep to activate my new SIM card as well as confirming my IMEI number, the rep said I needed an android plan. I responded that I had a nexus one and was running 3mpbs easy with the same data plan. And they responded with the blanket statement of you won't be getting the full data 4g speeds without it. Which I think is BS ....
So what plan are you guys on and what are your speeds using speedtest?
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If you were getting 3Mbps on your Nexus One (3G), and only .71 on the Sensation (4G), what makes you think that it's BS that you won't get 4G speeds without paying for a new data plan? The facts you've stated prove that this may be the case.
With 4G, you should be getting at least 10Mbps down I'm presuming, as even with my Samsung Vibrant I'm getting consistently 6Mbps down on a 3G connection.
I just purchased the Sensation at Wal-Mart here in Virginia and its amazing. T-Mobile doesn't have a store where I live and the only place you can buy one of there phones is at Wal-Mart or Radio Shack but T-Mobile is the only one of the big 4 that has 4G in my area and MAN IS IT 4G! As soon as I left the store I did a speedtest with the app and hit 6.8 mbps and 7.5 mbps! It flies! The reason though that T-Mobile isn't popular here is the coverage is spotty at best but I have a sprint phone also and i ported my number to google a while back so when I know I'm in a bad coverage area for T-Mobile I will just use my Sprint phone. Getting ready to test the camera out and see how good that is. I'm on the unlimited data plan btw...
I'm trying to get my facts straight really. From what I have read so far in the various threads is that some with the older plans (not android) have the same speeds. So I am curious in what people are getting with the 4g speeds and what data plan they are using to get their speeds. I mean if I 'need' to buy into another plan to get the speeds and that is a said fact, I will get the 'android' plan.
I don't have an Android plan. I just renewed my contract last month and got the unlimited web, 5gb, for $20 and was running an iPhone 3g (edge only). Last week I purchased the Sensation at Walmart and no changes were made to my account/plan. I live in the Phoenix market and my speeds vary depending on location. I have seen them as high as 9 mbps and as low as 1 mbps. I would say I average around 3 mbps
Also, check out this thread over in the development section regarding increasing your speeds -http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1118017
There is no difference. Speed varies are from many other variables, but data plans are data plans. The only differences between android data plans are the amount of mb you get.
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I have done the Data Latency mod and it really didn't improve anything. So the old data plans people are using are still able to get the 4g speeds?
i pay £15.00 a month ($24.26) with my carrier/network: O2
I get
300 minutes to any carrier/network any time
unlimited calls to other o2 customers anytime
unlimited texts to any carrier/network anytime
unlimited internet anytime
30 day notice contract, no cancellation charges, no lengthy ties, cancel when i want it to cancel.
Using the automatic server selection on speedtest.net app, I get around 3mbps downloads and .17mbps up. But knowing I am in San Antonio I chose that server, even though it says its further away. Selecting that server I get 6.72mbps download and .29mbps up.
Are there any other speed test apps out there? Im going to check now.
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i pay £15.00 a month ($24.26) with my carrier/network: O2
I get
300 minutes to any carrier/network any time
unlimited calls to other o2 customers anytime
unlimited texts to any carrier/network anytime
unlimited internet anytime
30 day notice contract, no cancellation charges, no lengthy ties, cancel when i want it to cancel.
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The UK (and most of Europe) have far better plans then here in the US. They also do a much better job IMO of protecting the consumer.
jlevy73 said:
The UK (and most of Europe) have far better plans then here in the US. They also do a much better job IMO of protecting the consumer.
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True, here they normally like to put the customer first. just say your leaving, they dont want you to leave lol
I am getting 7mb to 8mb down and 1.5mb to 2mb down...
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Ok, so while driving home I saw that my 4g bars were maxed and did a speedtest at a stoplight and I the got up to 8mbps up....so I guess my unlimited data plan does work still.
Please all, when you post your speeds, please also post what type of data plan you are using (ie unlimited plan, 5gb plan, or 200mb android plan). Thanks.
Data Plan = MyTouch3g $25
SIM card = old SIM with no numbers on it (considered their 2g SIM)
Soft Cap = None I've ever hit
4g speeds = 6-7 Mbs average, 9-10 Mbs max seen
Speeds remain the same for me even after I get my text warning and account message about the 5 Gb cap. At 8 Gb right now this month. This is an older plan though.
Use the FCC speedtest app made by ookla. The speedtest.net app they have tends not to be accurate. It sometimes shows that you have 7 or 8 mbps down but when you check the history for your speed test its actually lower. Their other app the FCC speed test is more accurate imo
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Use the FCC speedtest app made by ookla. The speedtest.net app they have tends not to be accurate. It sometimes shows that you have 7 or 8 mbps down but when you check the history for your speed test its actually lower. Their other app the FCC speed test is more accurate imo
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Speedtest is accurate, but ONLY from the history screen. Don't believe the display speed.
Thanks trying it out now.
Seems like the FCC app works a bit better in terms of connecting. However, I am in San Antonio, TX and the closest server is in California. I have changed the server to Dallas and ran the test.
I am now getting about 3-5 mpbs uploads with 4 bars at 4g. And yes you do not need to go to the history screen to get the true reading anymore
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Speedtest is accurate, but ONLY from the history screen. Don't believe the display speed.
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Exactly lol.
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I am in Orlando , which tmo says is one of there stronger 4g markets...
I consistently get speeds less than 1.5 dl and .50 ul. My nexus S and Nexus run a consistent 3 dl and .90 ul.. I cant figure out why this phone has slower speeds.. Sim card is up to date. I have had the same android data for some time now.. Even my lady gets a 3 or better dl on her g2x and we are in the same house. Before you say switch the phone and sim, I have already done both and it is the same.
I just got a sensation. Currently I still have the G1unlimited data plan. Do I need to pay more to get the 4g speeds? I think my data speeds were better with my nexus one. I don't want to call tmo because I would expect them to say "oh, you have a 4g phone, you need the 4g plan to go with it. Would you like the 2 TB plan or the 5 TB plan? That'll be $40/month"
No, you dont
I still have my data plan from my touch pro 2 and im getting 4g so i guess no
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The same as they said. No you don't need another plan to get 4g speeds. I'm on an old android plan and getting great speeds.
I called T-mobile and got the 4g data plan and it was the same price as the mytouch 3g plan I had before. I have the 5gb unlimited plan.
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Still rock'in the G1 Dataplan here, worked great with my Nexus One, and now with my Sensations.
+1 to the G1 Unlimited Data.
I was thinking of asking the same question. Nice to see positive responses.
I'm on a G1 unlimited data 400txt or$25. It transferred no problems. I ordered my Sensation over the phone and discussed the data/txt package and data caps openly with the representative. They will let you keep it, with a 5gb cap.
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I'm on a G1 unlimited data 400txt or$25. It transferred no problems. I ordered my Sensation over the phone and discussed the data/txt package and data caps openly with the representative. They will let you keep it, with a 5gb cap.
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That means that they're not letting you keep it. A 5gb cap is not unlimited. You're paying for 5gb of data per month, not unlimited.
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That means that they're not letting you keep it. A 5gb cap is not unlimited. You're paying for 5gb of data per month, not unlimited.
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T-mo has given all plans a 5gb cap. Even the G1 plans. I know they started out as truly unlimited but... T-mo has changed this. Feel free to search around and revert.
SykesAT said:
T-mo has given all plans a 5gb cap. Even the G1 plans. I know they started out as truly unlimited but... T-mo has changed this. Feel free to search around and revert.
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Yeah I grandfathered my em+plan with unlimited web, bt what they did is they changed this to 4g web in the system so I now get 4g speeds bt now its capped at 5gb which I ain't tripping much about..haven't used that much data yet bt I'm planning on doin it this bill cycle to c if I will actually get throttled since my friend got to that cap n they sent him a notice, by even after goin over his speeds didn't change
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Thanks for the replies. I don't have a data cap on my and I'm not wanting to take the step unless it is absolutely necessary.
Last month I used 6GB of data and that was pretty hard to do. When I decided to do it I had 5 days left on my billing cycle and was just under a gig. It was pretty dificult to use that much data in such a short time.
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I'm on a G1 unlimited data 400txt or$25. It transferred no problems. I ordered my Sensation over the phone and discussed the data/txt package and data caps openly with the representative. They will let you keep it, with a 5gb cap.
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I have this same plan w/txt...what 4G speeds are you getting?
I'm the OP. The best I've been able to get is .84 Mbps down, .71Mbps up.
I'm getting 2.80 Mbps down and 1.68 Mbps up at last look...but I expect more from 4G!
Yeah, it's pretty lame. I'd be happy with 1Mbps down and .5up.
Where are you located with such slow speeds? Is anybody else there getting better results?
Home is worthless for 4g for me. Im constantly on my wifi. But at work I get 4-5 bars and get around 5mpbs up and 1.5 down. Driving home, I get constant full 5 bars and get 6-8mpbs.
Same for me, those speed I mentioned earlier were from home pretty slow. I tried it from work and was able to get 2 up and 1.5 down so I'm ok with those speeds. I'm still not blown away but it's a little better than I had.
no because android data plans are all the same, now they just limit your plan to 5gb.
So now that a substantial amount of people are on Verizon's LTE network, are people's data speeds slowing down? In August, when I got my Charge, I was getting between 15mbps to 20mbps (speedtest.net) on LTE in the Madison, WI and Milwaukee, WI areas. I just ran a few tests today and got speeds between 5mbps and 7mbps. I know this barely affects day-to-day usage (unless you download large files and torrent like I do), but I am curious as to everybody else's speeds.
Mine have slowed down slightly, but not significantly. I do notice that I will get vastly different speed-test results based on what server I'm connecting too.
my 3g plummeted to the ground my 4g whitch is 15 miles north of me i am in utah btw is down roughly between 12-14 megs a few days i saw about 16-18 but not a huge difference for me but the 3g is killing me my sprint 3g was faster whitch i thought would not be the case...
What are you doing torrenting on LTE? Where's your home Internet connection?
I use my LTE connection but I barely use 3 GB a month. Most of the time I'm under 2 GBs.
Damn... no wonder why Verizon implemented data usage caps and gone away from Unlimited Data.
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What are you doing torrenting on LTE? Where's your home Internet connection?
I use my LTE connection but I barely use 3 GB a month. Most of the time I'm under 2 GBs.
Damn... no wonder why Verizon implemented data usage caps and gone away from Unlimited Data.
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I live in a college dorm where if you are caught doing something illegal on the internet they take away all your computer access and ability to use the schools wifi across campus. I would rather not take that risk.
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I'm seeing slowdowns, but they aren't consistent. Never below 5Mbps, but normally, I'm still 12-15.
How about not doing anything illegal?
You know that the MPAA/RIAA are on their witch hunts. It's not if, but when, they will find you and believe you me, they will find you and you better have your lawyer ready.
NetFlix? Amazon.com Music Store? Android Market? All of which allows you to consume your media in a legal way without the constant threat of a DMCA notice.
Thanks a lot, you ruined it for the rest of us who liked Unlimited Data from Verizon. Now, because of people like you we have to endure capped data plans and the ever possible chance that they will take it away from even those who have the Unlimited Data plan. Thanks a lot, at least I now know the kind of people to blame for this crap.
Psst: There are legal uses for bittorrent.
Not for nothing, but for the amount of money we blow on cell phone plans we should all be allowed to tether for no additional cost with unlimited data plans. We pay a flat rate for home Internet use with no cap, ranging anywhere from 30-50 per month. Verizon/other carriers should increase capacity on their towers or put up more to accommodate the usage.
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I live in a college dorm where if you are caught doing something illegal on the internet they take away all your computer access and ability to use the schools wifi across campus. I would rather not take that risk.
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If you don't want to take the risk then don't do it at all.
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Yes, LTE has slowed down. But, it's still really fast, faster than all other carriers where I am.
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Not for nothing, but for the amount of money we blow on cell phone plans we should all be allowed to tether for no additional cost with unlimited data plans. We pay a flat rate for home Internet use with no cap, ranging anywhere from 30-50 per month. Verizon/other carriers should increase capacity on their towers or put up more to accommodate the usage.
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Please don't open this particular can of worms again.
terrierl said:
Not for nothing, but for the amount of money we blow on cell phone plans we should all be allowed to tether for no additional cost with unlimited data plans. We pay a flat rate for home Internet use with no cap, ranging anywhere from 30-50 per month. Verizon/other carriers should increase capacity on their towers or put up more to accommodate the usage.
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Verizon is nothing but a company. That company is free to do whatever it thinks will result in the most profit. Now what do you think will make more money, charging customers who are with Verizon because they already have the best service more, or spending money on new towers to attract a few customers in that area?
If Verizon customers want to tell them to stop jacking up the prices, they do it with their money (like what happened to netflix).
Also, i did not ask for advice; i was just curious as to others' experience. If you want to go cry about unlimited data, go to that "100+gb /month" thread or get unlimited data as per foreversupra's thread.
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My data has gotten substantially slower...I now average about 3mbps down and 2.5 up....far cry from the 25 down I got in the summer
terrierl said:
Not for nothing, but for the amount of money we blow on cell phone plans we should all be allowed to tether for no additional cost with unlimited data plans. We pay a flat rate for home Internet use with no cap, ranging anywhere from 30-50 per month. Verizon/other carriers should increase capacity on their towers or put up more to accommodate the usage.
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I'd like to fly to Japan for $99 but it's not going to happen.
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In Memphis I get download speeds anywhere from 15-40 Mbps, and upload speeds anywhere from 4-8 Mbps. My best speed test so far was on Monday with 40.09Mbps Down and 8.1Mbps Up.
I just got on the Verizon network about five days ago, and I'm astounded at the speeds I get on 4g LTE.
the only thing that matches my LTE speeds is my FiOS wifi but even when used side by side the LTE usually smokes wifi... I'm pleased with the speeds and the fact that its unlimited and I'm not trying to screw myself or others out of it so I keep my data usage pretty conservative
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I am still happily seeing around 40 down 20 up in San Jose, CA. It's so fast that I want to get faster SD card to match that.
Since we're discussing torrents, has anyone noticed their upload speed being significantly slower than what you can get in a speedtest? As in if you're uploading a torrent at 3 AM, you might get 100 kBytes/sec, but on speedtest.net you might get 8 megabits/sec.
Does anyone know what would cause that?
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Since we're discussing torrents, has anyone noticed their upload speed being significantly slower than what you can get in a speedtest? As in if you're uploading a torrent at 3 AM, you might get 100 kBytes/sec, but on speedtest.net you might get 8 megabits/sec.
Does anyone know what would cause that?
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I'm just trying to figure out Att's new throttle policy.
Someone started the rumor that while talking to att's throttle department, they were told that it would be based on a person's last month's usage.
Each one of us was interpreting this differently. Some say you will only be throttled when you hit your last month usage. meaning if you used 30 gb then you can use up to 30 gb the following month. I thought it would be if your previous month's usage was in the top 5% then you are screwed this month. It seems counter productive for att to follow this policy. Everyone will be using as much data to have more speed the following month.
I did some research and could only find that att's policy was always to base the top 5% users on the previous month's statistics of their whole consumer base.
Can you guys confirm this? Especially for those who have been unthrottled. what is your previous months stat compared to this month?
Here
PC Mag article from today with some good information.
I don't see how they could fairly base it on how much you personally/individually used the prior month/billing period. That could be even worse for some that don't use that much data even though they have an unlimited plan, as they could conceivably get throttled at 500 MB - maybe less. And furthermore, it flies in the face of their supposed concern which is the alleged "data hogs" on the network. Plus, if that were the case, wouldn't you just stream Pandora or something every night while you sleep and eventually get your "allowed" GB limit way up after a few months?
To me, if you are going to go with the ambiguous top 5% (as opposed to a sort of soft "cap" like T-Mobile's 5 GB throttle threshhold) the only fair way to do it is to base the 5% from the previous month/billing cycle on a nationwide standard of all UNLIMITED plan users (those on tiered plans should not be used in the calculation). A nationwide standard seems more equitable than punishing or rewarding people based on where they live and establishing the 5% "for a person's region." Why should I be punished or rewarded just because I live in Dallas when compared to someone who lives in Atlanta or NY.
To me, if they are going to insist on throttling and claiming it is based on bandwidth/spectrum concerns (which it is clearly not, since I'm sure they would gladly let someone on a 3 GB tiered plan use 20 GB in a billing period and just charge them $170 more that period - and someone using 20 GB of data on a tiered plan uses the same amount of bandwidth/spectrum as someone using 20 GB on an unlimited plan), then a reasonable policy would be something like:
1) If you are unlimited, you get up to 5 GB without having your LTE speeds throttled...ever (similar to T-Mobile's policy)
2) Once you go over 5 GB in a billing period, you can be throttled to 3G speeds if you are on a congested tower, but once you are connected to a non-congested tower (whether because you are on the same tower when you got throttled, but it is no longer congested, or you changed towers because you left the house, got home, etc.) you are back to LTE speeds (similar to Verizon's policy)
No more of this ambiguous, inconsistent 5% nonsense. Put something concrete and transparent in place. And in my opinion, either #1 or #2 above would be better than what they do now.
However, I doubt they would ever put a policy in place that combined #1 and #2 above because it would likely not help achieve AT&T's goal with the throttling, which is clearly to "encourage" people to drop their unlimited plans for tiered plans so AT&T can make more money.
does anyone know the phone number to the throttle department?
AT&T’s policies are broken. First they decide to throttle the top 5% without releasing any information on what that is. Soon after we realize those using
Netflix, hulu, and slingbox were being throttled at around 2GB when others were being throttled much later (probably more closer to the real “top 5%” of the area)
Then AT&T stopped penalizing people using their phones to stream movies and tv shows and started throttling everybody at 2GB or less
Now, there are rumors of a “press release” which hasn’t been seen anywhere yet that says they will base throttling off last month’s data usage.
However things are about to change again, as a judge recently awarded a throttling customer $850 stating “it wasn't fair for the company to purposely slow down his iPhone, when it had sold him an "unlimited data" plan.”
This opens up a whole can of worms for AT&T, one they will feel. If even a fraction of those throttled gets a similar payout this would be very bad for AT&T. lets pretend 800,000x$850= $680,000,000
AT&T’s next move could quite possibly hurt the company more than any scandal it could ever imagine.
My guess is they will do less throttling and even that will be at higher levels then we have seen over the last few months, maybe around 5gb? 10gb? In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they stopped throttling all together.
Im sure after dude won his $850, at least 10’s of thousands of people have already filed small claims suits against the company already, when more of those articles come out, you will see that number jump to the hundreds of thousands.
if you haven't read about the small claims suit:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...data-throttling_n_1300212.html?ref=technology
http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/at-t-iphone-user-wins-data-throttling-case-850
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/att-throttling-customer/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mickeym...this-two-big-consumer-small-claims-victories/
I was "unthrottled" earlier this week....still there now.
Curious to see what happens next month
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Happy someone did it. I was forced to switch to a tiered plan from my unlimited because I was being throttled at around 2gb. That lasted maybe a week and a half then my new lte skyrocket was pretty much useless data wise. I'm on the 3gb plan for the same price. I hope more people sue att.
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00mred00 said:
I was "unthrottled" earlier this week....still there now.
Curious to see what happens next month
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How much data did you use last month?
How much this month?
I'm more curious about their throttling department, I WOULD love to talk to them, since my last throttling was around 7 gb and now I'm being threatened around 3 gb, total bull****.
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I was warned in December at 4 1/2 gigs and then throttled in January at 2 gigs....BUT I was up in NY with LTE speeds in December but live in a non-LTE area so I think they considered me in the top 5% for where I live NOT where I was using the data. My fastest d/l speed at my house is 4mb. I think 4mb is throttled compared to people that have LTE so I think I shouldn't be throttled at all.
Oddly, AT&T continues to claim that throttling policies are in place to save spectrum, however, it would seem that the very people they try to throttle (unlimited LTE data plans) are using less "spectrum" overall than 2G and 3G users. That being said, people using rediculous amounts of data (abusive) need to be throttled...perhaps similar to Verizon's throttling which is currently a more fair approach. Here is an article about the "spectrum" crisis that could happen...
"LTE, for example, can handle roughly six to eight times the capacity of a 2G network. Some of those savings would be lost to users taking advantage of video and other high-bandwidth services available on LTE, but not so much as to use up all the increased efficiencies.
Graduated or tiered bandwidth pricing, likewise, discourages excessive network use by a few extreme customers, especially at peak times."
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...disaster-now-for-the-hard-part/#ixzz1nT31Jb5O
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Oddly, AT&T continues to claim that throttling policies are in place to save spectrum, however, it would seem that the very people they try to throttle (unlimited LTE data plans) are using less "spectrum" overall than 2G and 3G users. That being said, people using rediculous amounts of data (abusive) need to be throttled...perhaps similar to Verizon's throttling which is currently a more fair approach. Here is an article about the "spectrum" crisis that could happen...
"LTE, for example, can handle roughly six to eight times the capacity of a 2G network. Some of those savings would be lost to users taking advantage of video and other high-bandwidth services available on LTE, but not so much as to use up all the increased efficiencies.
Graduated or tiered bandwidth pricing, likewise, discourages excessive network use by a few extreme customers, especially at peak times."
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...disaster-now-for-the-hard-part/#ixzz1nT31Jb5O
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While the tiered pricing may theoretically encourage people to use less spectrum, AT&T would happily let someone on a 3 GB tiered plan use 20 GB and change them an extra $170 that period.
The thing is that that tiered user takes up just as much spectrum to get to that 20 GB as an unlimited user who also uses 20 GB - the $10 charged for each additional GB of usage in a tiered plan does does not magically create additional spectrum. The ONLY difference is that the unlimited would essentially be paying $1.50/GB, while the tiered user would be paying $10/GB, and AT&T does not like that because they aren't making as much money as they could.
So while they can say that tiered plans encourage people to use less data (which to some extent it probably does/would) and that is a good thing because spectrum is limited, at the end of the day, the heart of the matter boils down to money...plain and simple. And AT&T wants to get people off unlimited plans, not because of a spectrum issue, but because they want to make more money.
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How much data did you use last month?
How much this month?
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I used 5 and was throttled last month...end total was 7
At 2 i was throttled this month. When unthrottled i was at 9. No clue what i am at now a week later but i will check
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You need to report this. From what I understand it is not supposed to be throttling at that low of usage AND if you are throttled, it should only be down to 3G speeds from LTE speeds.
I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
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I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
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I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
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Yup.. it's gd terrible lol, I think edge is faster than their throttled speeds.
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Yup.. it's gd terrible lol, I think edge is faster than their throttled speeds.
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that's correct. throttle speeds are edge speeds.
00mred00 said:
I used 5 and was throttled last month...end total was 7
At 2 i was throttled this month. When unthrottled i was at 9. No clue what i am at now a week later but i will check
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I wonder if their new policy will begin next month and will be used on this month's use. I'm just debating whether I should raise my usage. I'm still below 2gigs unthrottled with some 10 days left.
btw I remember you were the one who said that this would be their new policy.
do you happen to have the throttle dpt direct #?
BTW i was thinking. should someone start a thread about the lawsuit on the att forums?
I understand but don't agree with AT&T's throttle policy. But this is just ridiculous (see screenshot below).
.01 Mbps!!! Ridiculous... speeds this slow make my phone practically unusable!! And this is "unlimited" data... haha.
I know there is nothing I can do except grind my teeth and take it or go elsewhere.. I hope AT&T loses a lot of business because of this.
I understand throttling to an extent... but to throttle at 3gb with technology today. HD videos, Netflix, YouTube, internet radio, posting pictures with the phones 8mp camera.. of course data usage is getting bigger and limits are getting smaller.
I don't go far over 3gb, its hard to with these speeds.. but its normally the last week of the month that I get throttled. So I would most likely use 4gb, maybe 5gb. I read that 4g phone plans have a 5gb limit... and honestly I thought the Infuse was a "4g" phone... any way for an enormous and very profitable company to stick it to the little guys.
I also noticed that I get throttled at different usage. I use data monitor to track my usage and I've been throttled as low as roughly 2.5gb and at max I'll get to maybe 4gb.
Does anyone know how exactly we are throttled? It can't be automatic if it varies this much, can it? I imagine some well paid old man in a suit counting his stack of money, laughing and randomly hitting a big throttle button. Haha.
I apologize for a semi useless post and ranting away.. it's just been one of those days and needed to blow some steam.
Thank you for listening and everyone who contributes to this forum.
Now I'll sit here while I wait for this post and screenshot to upload on my ATT throttled BS. I wonder if a dial up connection would be faster.. haha. Do they still have dial up internet available? Remember all those AOL CDs? Haha.. sorry... I'm done...
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I feel your pain, but from a different direction.
We only have the 200MB per month AT&T plan for each of our 5 Infuse phones and don't go over that.
Most of our internet activities occur at home where we use our Wifi router.
But that single Wifi router feeds up to 5 phones, a pc, and three laptops.
After somewhere around 5GB in a month and our ISP (Clear) starts throttling us slower.
It definitely kills the experience when you can't watch a video from start to finish without waiting for it to buffer a few times.
Unlimited Text, Talk, and Data, only $45/mo: Prepaid Straight Talk SIM Port your number over, and tell ATT to go fornicate themselves.
I am rated at 7.2mbit up to 360mb. I will grab another test once I'm throttled. This is o2 in Munich Germany. They say throttled speed is 64k. We will see.
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I feel for you, but at the same time all carriers are doing this or will be doing it in the near future.
If you look at the current growth of mobile data usage and consider the spectrum they have to work with it's not sustainable. You can only fit so much information in a certain amount of bandwidth.
I am almost always near wifi, so my monthly data usage rarely excedes 200-300 mb. I'm on the 2gb plan but have never even used half of it.
Personally I wish companies would charge for what you actually use. (at a reasonable rate of course)
That will never happen, because they can't do the legal gymnastics to call it "unlimited" and they would scare off the early adopter and trendsetter types.
I left AT&T for Straight talk and left my 400 Meg twice as expensive plan behind for unlimited talk, text and data and now happily tether my Thrive Tablet to my phone on the back woods farm of my grandparents in Kentucky for Christmas where AT&T couldn't even connect! :good:
The thing you are forgetting is Straight Talk isn't true unlimited either. I have them and I'm talking from experience. I've gotten lucky and used almost 5gb and not been throttled but they are getting worse about it lately. I only used 1.6GB this month and they throttled me. There is no rhyme or reason to how they do it but they do it. 2GB and less you are usually fine on ST but if you goto howardforums.com and goto the Straight Talk section they have a thread on the throttling. Some people use 4-5GB and have no issues but some use a bit over 1GB and get throttled. It's honestly still WELL worth the cost because to even get CLOSE to this on AT&T for a single line will be around $110 a month.
I have 3 GB data plan and I think that's enough for me
If you are on single person plan, I also think that straight talk will be better choice for you
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I hate the fact that they make you have a data plan with any smart phone. But their new family share plan helps a lot.
Going to look into Straight Talk, thx
If you upgrade your phone to LTE phone, you will get 5 GB and get throttled.
You should upgrade your phone to get more and faster data from AT&T
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If you upgrade your phone to LTE phone, you will get 5 GB and get throttled.
You should upgrade your phone to get more and faster data from AT&T
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But then I will have to sign another two year contract if I don't want to pay an arm and a leg for a phone
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Throttling never makes sense just like the family share plan it's an excuse to get more money. I got fed up with ATT and left for t mobile. The plans are cheaper and I get true unlimited. With a rooted phone I tether and sure it's not true Lte but I still average 8-10 Mbps and that's perfect for me.
no 2 yr contract nexus 4 and T-Mobile best option out there
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But then I will have to sign another two year contract if I don't want to pay an arm and a leg for a phone
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Maybe I don't know will enough about AT&T, but I believe you party same amount of money even you are under contract or not right?
Then all you need to pay is phone cost. There are some good phones with LTE and under $100.
Or you have choice of straight talk which gives you pretty good amount of data with super cheap cost.
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tmobile is true unlimited. also has month to month plan no contract. i'm gonna switch over soon when my contract is done with att...
Just wanted to chime in for a second. I had Straight Talk on my Infuse 4G for almost a year and while the service is pretty decent, I noticed that in a crowded AT&T cell I get kicked off. Also, I notice that (very rarely) in some places I don't have access to 3G service whereas other people with contract AT&T do (might be a modem thing, though, not 100% sure). There is supposedly an unspoken limit of 2GB of data per month (and some say even 100MB per day at most), but I have been careful to stay under both of those limits, the maximum I have used in a month on ST was 1.4GB.
Now I'm back on AT&T with 6GB Mobile Data Share and 2 lines (our Skyrocket i727s) and I have to say that the service is more consistent than I had on my time with straight talk (I've witnessed at shopping centers and malls I got kicked off of the data network more than a few times in favor of AT&T customers due to crowded cells), that and the LTE is great and the Skyrocket is just an all around awesome phone. I know the i727 is long in the tooth, but $.97 for a 1.5GHz Qualcomm S3, 1GB of RAM, LTE and that great 8MP camera is too hard to pass up. If you're broke like I was, it's a good deal.
Just my two cents. I know AT&T is a PITA but it could always be worse...you could be stuck on Sprint paying for 4G in an area with no 4G like I used to, lol.