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[Q] Should I buy a captivate from ebay knowing shutdown problem

Hi guys,
I just bought a captivate from a authorized ATT dealer, it is a refurbished and I have always been lucky with refurbished products so I did not think twice about getting it. However I won't have a warranty on it, so I am starting to reconsider, thinking that if I have one that randomly shutdown, I will be stuck with a faulty phone and will lose my money since apparently nothing really fixes the problem completely.
So, I have the option to return the phone within 7 days, should I just forget about this phone and just send it right when I get it and just pick another phone. If I had a year to try it, I would keep it, but 7 days... I just don't know what to do, any advice?

Did you already try using setCPU to up the minimum frequency to 200Mhz? Worked for me and many others!

wuddersup said:
Did you already try using setCPU to up the minimum frequency to 200Mhz? Worked for me and many others!
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No, I am supposed to receive the phone on Tuesday, but I am asking in advance because I only have 7 days to return it and for what I read on the board the problem might not show up right away. If there was a fix that unanimously worked I had no issue keeping the phone but it seems like a lot of fixes only work for a minority. Am I wrong and I missed the fix that is believed to work for most?

Why would you accept a faulty phone when you know for the same price, you could have gotten a phone w/o fault.

Refurbs are warranted for 90 days.

wuddersup said:
Did you already try using setCPU to up the minimum frequency to 200Mhz? Worked for me and many others!
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Confused on how changing the cpu frequency could prevent showdowns since the problem is faulty ram
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Like miami said. U should have 90 day warranty on a refurb.
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I just recieved a refurb on warranty because my "New" Captivated had the dreaded shutdown issue. I tried SetCPU on it but to no avail. Funny thing is it didn't start happening until after the Froyo upgrade... darn closet gremlins. The refurb is an older build date than the one I purchased new and so far so good. I'd imagine that since it is a factory refurb it is up to par in specs since they recognized and addressed the shutdown issue. I wouldn't sweat it.

Well, it is a ebay purchase so the return policy is just what the seller is saying. So how would I get 90 days warranty?
Is it now sure it is a faulty ram? Would newer phone not have the problem then?

im not sure, you are going to have to look it up,
but the shut down issue only affects the older build numbers i believe.
i think... never had the issue so havent specifically read up on it.. just what i think i remember in reading though thousands of posts....
not sure what the build number was....

My build number and imei is in the range of the shutdown issue. It is a refurb from a insurance claim, so maybe that's why I don't have a shutdown problem.
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Just my opinion!
I wouldn't even think or touching a refurb captivate from an ebay reseller unless the cost was so low that the risk was worth taking, for a couple of reasons.
I once bought a treo refurb on ebay. The first one would not receive phone calls so it had to go back. The second one worked fine initially, but the phone failed down the line several months later. I wound up using it as a pda and having another phone. Had no recourse because I got it cheap.
My Captivate, purchased from AT&T in August, developed the random shutdown problem. The first random shutdown was sometime in late November. Fortunately, since it was under AT&T Warranty, I got a replacement earlier this year that has been solid so far. But given the history of the Captivate, not only with random shutdowns, but GPS, etc., I wouldn't put any serious money into one without a warranty.
Edit: here's the info about imei numbers - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10037509&postcount=24

oh crap... i think this happened to me last night while i was on the phone....
rebooted straight to rom loading screen, no i896 or kernel boot screen...
is that how it behaves? or is that something new?

creepyncrawly said:
Just my opinion!
I wouldn't even think or touching a refurb captivate from an ebay reseller unless the cost was so low that the risk was worth taking, for a couple of reasons.
I once bought a treo refurb on ebay. The first one would not receive phone calls so it had to go back. The second one worked fine initially, but the phone failed down the line several months later. I wound up using it as a pda and having another phone. Had no recourse because I got it cheap.
My Captivate, purchased from AT&T in August, developed the random shutdown problem. The first random shutdown was sometime in late November. Fortunately, since it was under AT&T Warranty, I got a replacement earlier this year that has been solid so far. But given the history of the Captivate, not only with random shutdowns, but GPS, etc., I wouldn't put any serious money into one without a warranty.
Edit: here's the info about imei numbers - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10037509&postcount=24
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I have had refurbished products that worked great in the past, so this is not what really concerns me. But I guess overall people seem to be satisfied with the captivate that I was willing to give it a try, even with the gps problem. At first I thought it was on the first batch of captivates so I though I was fine, but I keep hearing people having a phone bought in Jan 2011 with the problem, so I am a bit anxious.
I paid $240. It is supposed to be manufactured refurbished, so I though it was a good deal considering even used captivates were going way over 300 on ebay. But maybe I just return it without opening it after all.
That too bad because the captivate is the phone that fitted most my needs with a decent price range.

TRusselo said:
oh crap... i think this happened to me last night while i was on the phone....
rebooted straight to rom loading screen, no i896 or kernel boot screen...
is that how it behaves? or is that something new?
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I'm not sure. Did your phone come directly from Rodgers? Are they known to have the random shutdown issue? I guess you need to find that out first.
My first phone only shut down when it was on idle, never when I was using it, and only once when it was on the charger. As far as rebooting after the shutdown, it behaved differently on different occassions, but it didn't reboot spontaneously. I would pick it up to use it, and it would be off. I would have to long press the start button to reboot.

caribbean_spur said:
I have had refurbished products that worked great in the past, so this is not what really concerns me. But I guess overall people seem to be satisfied with the captivate that I was willing to give it a try, even with the gps problem. At first I thought it was on the first batch of captivates so I though I was fine, but I keep hearing people having a phone bought in Jan 2011 with the problem, so I am a bit anxious.
I paid $240. It is supposed to be manufactured refurbished, so I though it was a good deal considering even used captivates were going way over 300 on ebay. But maybe I just return it without opening it after all.
That too bad because the captivate is the phone that fitted most my needs with a decent price range.
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I'm guessing you don't plan to use the phone on AT&T, and maybe are not in USA? You might look into seeing if you would have warranty coverage directly from Samsung. In my life, $240 would be a bit much to pay if something goes wrong and you have no recourse. I paid around $200.00 directly from AT&T with 2 year commitment on my existing plan.
The random shutdown issue is well know to both AT&T and Samsung, and phones manufactured since about December seem to have good GPS as well as not have the random shutdown issue.

creepyncrawly said:
The random shutdown issue is well know to both AT&T and Samsung, and phones manufactured since about December seem to have good GPS as well as not have the random shutdown issue.
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I am trying to figure out if I have some kind of warranty through Samsung. Also, if what you are saying is correct about phones made after Dec, I will wait to see when the phone was made to decide it's fate. Do you have an idea how I can know when the phone was made?
By the way, thanks for your inputs!

Well according to the samsung website, warranty is only for original purchaser. Now I have no idea how that works for att authorized dealer on ebay.

HTC Repair Service

I always want to know how are HTC's service in other country.
As a Taiwanese I know service in my country is very important for
any minor or major company to be able to survive in Taiwanese market.
Few days ago I have drop my HTC onto the floor and the screen was damage (Still
working but there were black dot on the screen) and I have phone HTC and they
arrange someone to pick it up from me and that same day in the afternoon the
Service center phone me and told me the screen was damage due to dropping the
phone onto the floor (At this point I was thinking them going to charge me for
replacing the screen and I was ready to accept any fees which them offer me)
and once them have explain the problem them told me the phone will be fix and
delivery to me the next day and I should expect the phone to arrive before afternoon. I was wondering when will them told me about the price for fixing the screen and they seems like not bother mentioned it so I ask the caller. Their respond was it's ok, we not going to charge you anything as long as you are happy about our product and service and that is the most important part. After I hang up the phone I still not sure is this true or not.
At that moment after the phone arrive. I believe what the repair center told me and kept on thinking of all those year living in South Africa. Never have any company who act so fast and fix the problem so quick with out charging you anything.
So I just want to know how many people also find their service good and how many people think it's rubbish and also from which country as well.

i had to wait for my device for 4 weeks, also a screen replacement...hmm

The camera on my Desire died so I ended up having to send it to HTC.
I had it back within 2 weeks, which was pretty fast I thought.

Had the dreaded random reboot on my Desire. Sent it to the repair centre in UK. Returned within 7 days with a new Mobo. Excellent service.

Much faster to do yourself easy replacement.
denatwork said:
i had to wait for my device for 4 weeks, also a screen replacement...hmm
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i had my device for screen replacement done by 2 week in Singapore..

Do I have a faulty device?

This is my second s3... It's "updated" with baseband version I535VRLG1. I have not rooted because I don't want to risk ruining my chances of getting a new one if I have to...
Here are my current issues:
No Sim card error
Network Communication Issues (Connection will just drop randomly)
Keeps dropping 4g
Slow Speeds (4g as low as 1244 kbps down, 3g as low as 66 kbps down)
Slow GPS lock-on (Took 5-10 minutes at one point)
Some gaps between screen and bezel

If you can enumerate 6 things wrong with your phone then why are you asking us if it's defective? :laugh::laugh:
Get a new one man. None of that is normal as you imply by listing it all.

bobloblaw1 said:
If you can enumerate 6 things wrong with your phone then why are you asking us if it's defective? :laugh::laugh:
Get a new one man. None of that is normal as you imply by listing it all.
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Maybe because I'm sick in the head, as well as a quality engineer who finds faults in anything...
I just feel like an a-hole because I made a big stink over my first one because of a loose home button... Now this new device has more issues than the first.
I also do NOT want a refurbished device. I want new.

As long as you're in the 2 weeks period you'll get a new one.
Also, as funny as this sounds, all these problems can happen if your sim card is faulty.

Mine is also an "updated" device with all those stickers. No problems here. Return it if you're having trouble
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Madcat81 said:
As long as you're in the 2 weeks period you'll get a new one.
Also, as funny as this sounds, all these problems can happen if your sim card is faulty.
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I got my phone on the 14th, but it's been less than 2 weeks since I got my replacement.... Does that count?
Maybe I should just try a new sim card first.

Madcat81 said:
As long as you're in the 2 weeks period you'll get a new one.
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That is not 100% true.
I had a defective Rezound (badly overheating and killing the 2750 battery in 1/2 day) & it was almost new.
They wanted me to accept a refurb & until I threatened to just take it back for a refund they absolutely refused to give me a new one....

OT: but do they even have refurb S3's yet??

jmorton10 said:
That is not 100% true.
I had a defective Rezound (badly overheating and killing the 2750 battery in 1/2 day) & it was almost new.
They wanted me to accept a refurb & until I threatened to just take it back for a refund they absolutely refused to give me a new one....
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So what ended up happening?
cmg5461 said:
OT: but do they even have refurb S3's yet??
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They might. It seems like there has been a lot of issues with this phone already...
I wonder if I should take it back to the store (different one than I already returned my first one at), or over the phone.

Kreeker said:
So what ended up happening?
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At that point, they gave in & sent me a new one in the box (I still have it)

Just called up, and they are sending me out a new ("certified") phone. Hoping this one fixes the issues, and is new....
All I did was list those exact issues up above, and he said well those are hardware issues and I'm going to have to send you a new one. I was ready for a big pain. Why can't the people in the stores be like this?

[Q] i9003 Motherboard

Is it true that all i9003 motherboards should be changed while it's still on warranty because Samsung used cheap parts? And if it was not changed, the phone may not work properly anytime soon?

erovin said:
Is it true that all i9003 motherboards should be changed while it's still on warranty because Samsung used cheap parts? And if it was not changed, the phone may not work properly anytime soon?
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Does Samsung Galaxy SL i9003 have this problem?

No.
You only change it when the internal memory fails, has nothing to do with being 'cheap'.

My i9003 Internal Memory failed , while I had no warranty , so I didn't get a free motherboard. I had to pay 200 $ for a new motherboard so I decided not to pay.
My friend's I9003 also failed after 7 months of use, He hopes he get a Motherboard for free.
Consider it whatever you want, cheap parts, bad manufacturing, Bad quality, ..... etc . But the only thing that we know for sure, is that I had to buy a new phone.
Watch this video :
youtube.com/watch?v=UvxEc83BgIE

even mine motherboard got kaput. i had a strange symtom...every now n then my phone used to restart..and it used to factory reset itself. well i was with this problem since 4 months. i tried diff roms etc etc. no use. finally i flashed stock rom and took the cell to service center...there were only 3 days remaining for the warranty to lapse got it replaced under warranty

Same Problem
SaeberTooth4U said:
even mine motherboard got kaput. i had a strange symtom...every now n then my phone used to restart..and it used to factory reset itself. well i was with this problem since 4 months. i tried diff roms etc etc. no use. finally i flashed stock rom and took the cell to service center...there were only 3 days remaining for the warranty to lapse got it replaced under warranty
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I also had same problem restatrting itself in the midnight and automatic factory reset , then i replaced the motherboard with Rs.6500.loss

yeah, My phone's IMEI and Baseband got corrupted, first I thought that this might be due to EFS damage, but I had to replace the mother board to recover the phone! Rs.17000 (LKR) gone!

An open letter to LG in regards to the V10 bootloop issue

I've just sent this email to a Mr. Cho, but I'd like to post it here as well, just in case I didn't send it to the correct email address. Also, so that if anyone would like to add anything, they can, and hopefully someone from LG will see this.
Mr. Cho,
First let me begin with how much I loved my LG V10. I first bought it for the camera but then fell in love with it for everything else it had. The only thing I could really complain about was how big it was.
Then, a little over a month after having the phone I started having issues with my charger. After going through 5 chargers during the next month I realized it wasn't just "cheap" chargers. I never saw where LG announced charger port issues for the V10, instead, they offered charging cases/docks for the battery. So I had to buy a charging case and another battery so that I could actually use my phone while the battery charged. To be fair, though, I soon realized this really wasn't that much of an inconvenience since I never had to keep my phone attached to a chord.
I got my phone in December. Had charger port issues a month later and then in May, just 5 months after having the brand new phone, it randomly turned off and refused to get past the LG logo when booting up.
After some research I found that issue is called a "boot loop". The same issue other LG phones have had. There was nothing AT&T could do for me. I had just signed a contract five months prior. I couldn't get out of it. So I'm stuck paying $23 a month for a phone I can't even use.
Every time that I called your customer service, everyone was very unhelpful. The first guy I spoke with was completely rude. He was no help and in fact put the blame on AT&T. He said that they were the ones who released the Marshmallow update, so they are the ones who are the blame and who need to fix my phone. Let me back up a bit and explain his reasoning for this. One week prior to my phone going into boot loop, AT&T released the Marshmallow update that all of us LG V10 owners had been waiting on. When my phone messed up I took it to the AT&T warranty center. They informed me that they've seen this issue a lot with the LG G4, and they've also seen it when there are software updates. Because of those last added words your customer service rep decided that's when AT&T took blame for my phone going in boot loop.
So, many times over the next few months I called AT&T and LG many times (even at one point I was on the phone with LG and Android/Google). I visited the warranty center many times, too. At the last visit to the warranty center they told me that just in that day alone they had 3 people come in with boot loop issues (though not V10s but G4s). I asked him what did they do for the customers. They said that all they could do was have the customer either take out an insurance claim or warranty claim. So, people who's warranty was voided but they had insurance had to pay their deductible to get a new phone. They are literally paying for an issue that's not their fault.
Oh wait, I forgot to mention this part, LG will fix my phone if I pay them to fix my cracked screen first, because having a cracked screen voids the warranty. So, let me get this straight, in order to have my phone fixed (which from what I've read, it doesn't get fixed, you get a new phone all together), from a problem that I did not cause, from a problem that was unforeseeable, I have to pay to fix an unrelated problem, because LG doesn't do partial repairs (that has been burned into my head by numerous of your CSRs)?
Also, every time that I spoke with one of your customer service reps they told me that not enough people are reporting the issue enough for it to be considered a "common" problem for LG to release a statement and fix. You might want to do a Google search and see how many people have posted on forums and videos of this issue, it has grown. In fact, there are at least two petitions in regards to the V10.
So tell me, because I've voided the warranty I'm stuck in a contract with a phone that broke on it's own (be it caused by software problems or faulty craftsmanship), is there not anything in my contract saying that if something unforeseeable happens to the phone (something that's not the customer's fault, but more so the manufacturer's) that LG is responsible for fixing or replacing that phone? Do you honestly believe that LG shouldn't fix this issue, or that they shouldn't pay for all those months that their customers have paid for a phone they haven't been able to use (mine is going 5 months), and that they shouldn't have to reimburse those who had to take out insurance claims because their phone was stuck in a mode they had nothing to do with? Do you not think LG should take accountability for any of this? I've seen a few petitions to get LG to do something, I'm very surprised I haven't seen a class action lawsuit yet.
I look forward to hearing back from you in regards to what you plan on doing for my situation, and hopefully all of others who have suffered from this same problem.
Jamie Boyd
PS
Life's not Good, not with these kind of issues. Also, I'll be posting this letter on a few forums, we'll be awaiting your response.
Sent from my iPhone (my old sluggish iPhone 4s that I've been forced to use these past 5 months)

I'm having those issues too and I hope he's gonna take this letter seriously, or else I'm done with LG..
Can you post here his reaction?

I've never heard of this charging port issue. The bootloop I've read all about though, but never experienced it. I hope they do you right for that one. I had the V10 for a year and the micro USB port was still nice and tight. Just got the V20.
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Are the charging port and bootlooping related... ? If not is there a known reason it boot loops... ? I recently had my v10 bootloop, I caved bought a cheep cracked screen v10 off ebay and swapped the mb out by myself. Everythings fine now, just worried I'll have another boot loop... At least this time I won't lose ALL my data... I had messed up my sd card slot putting my sim card in... Long story short...

Any response?? I really wish there was a true "fix" considering I have irreplaceable photos and videos trapped in my LG V10 forever due to this issue!!!!!!

http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-g4-lg-v10-bootloop-problems-class-action-lawsuit-757484/

keriann76 said:
Any response?? I really wish there was a true "fix" considering I have irreplaceable photos and videos trapped in my LG V10 forever due to this issue!!!!!!
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The best thing you can do is heat it (in hopes the solder will reconnect by melting) or freeze it so you can turn it on long enough to run a backup. Please see the videos on heating the device you can cause some serious damage if you do it wrong.
This is why people should either use their external sdcard for video/photo storage or use Google photos to backup your photos on a regular basis.
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Square Trade...Buy on Amazon...get a nice cheap Square Trade warranty with Hazzard insurance...NO DEDUCTABLE.... Get a new phone when your's dies......
Why was your screen cracked??