I Have one question.What is better : the ENG-Hboot or the Revolutionary HBoot ?
jens96 said:
I Have one question.What is better : the ENG-Hboot or the Revolutionary HBoot ?
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Define "Better"
Anyway, if you mean which is overwritable, it's the ENG Hboot.
jens96 said:
I Have one question.What is better : the ENG-Hboot or the Revolutionary HBoot ?
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ENG
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jens96 said:
I Have one question.What is better : the ENG-Hboot or the Revolutionary HBoot ?
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The ENG-Hboot will save you further troubles with different rom instalations.
how can i overwrite my Revolutionary HBoot with the Eng-Hboot ?
Safer is a better word... Then the ENG one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1146601
jens96 said:
I Have one question.What is better : the ENG-Hboot or the Revolutionary HBoot ?
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first of all in terms of functionality they're not so different, but the revolutionary hboot wont be overwritten to stock hboot in case u apply an ruu, while the eng hboot will ...this will be useful in case of warranty repair
and also the eng hboot will let u flash radios and other hboot by fastboot commands
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XKanoX said:
in case u want sense 3 roms u should flash 2.00.2002
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That is both inaccurate and unnecessary
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Thanks for the information guys, I'm going to send my DS back to the store for fixing my audio plug. I still had revolutionary hboot .
So i'm flashing ENG-HBoot 0.98.2000 and i'll be restoring with the lastest RUU. Wham. Back is my warranty
Btw, I have an unbranded Desire S
Correct me if i'm wrong. Going to do it this afternoon
This is why I love this forum
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Correct me if i'm wrong. Going to do it this afternoon
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Yes you are correct. Only one addition from me: if you are going to do this for warranty purposes only, flash the ENG hboot, but use the version or RUU which came when you bought the phone. For example mine was with 1.28.401.1. For the warranty it does not matter the version as far as you are Stock (like if you like Sense 2.1 better and do not want to update OTA). Anyway the reason is that later you will S-OFF with Revolutionary, contrary to the latest version (2.10.401.9 - I am assuming that you are using European unbranded version) which will need htcdev.com to Unlock (I will not recommend this way) or Downgrade with temp root misc_version change. Summary: you will spare yourself all of this if you use RUU with an older version (it would match your current version which will be 1.47.401.4 looking at your Revolutionary version). But at the end the choice is all yours
amidabuddha said:
Yes you are correct. Only one addition from me: if you are going to do this for warranty purposes only, flash the ENG hboot, but use the version or RUU which came when you bought the phone. For example mine was with 1.28.401.1. For the warranty it does not matter the version as far as you are Stock (like if you like Sense 2.1 better and do not want to update OTA). Anyway the reason is that later you will S-OFF with Revolutionary, contrary to the latest version (2.10.401.9 - I am assuming that you are using European unbranded version) which will need htcdev.com to Unlock (I will not recommend this way) or Downgrade with temp root misc_version change. Summary: you will spare yourself all of this if you use RUU with an older version (it would match your current version which will be 1.47.401.4 looking at your Revolutionary version). But at the end the choice is all yours
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Thanks for the information. I'm going to use 1.47.401.4 then so I can use Revolutionary again. It was really easy to use. And hey, why take the hard way when you can do it easy?
Now i hope this device gets repaired and that they don't just send a new one
I'll report out later on this day if everything worked out well.
XKanoX said:
... wastes space since it has bigger partitions, thx to tectas for this info
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The partitions aren't bigger, there is an additional lib partition that isn't mounted by i.e. CM7, the space for it is taken from the cache partition.
Swifted from my Desire S far away from my PC
Successfully flashed HBOOT-0.98.2000 I'm restoring with RUU later, I'll do tuesday when I must send my device back
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That is both inaccurate and unnecessary
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well this is what the forums are for, sharing the info that we know or think we know, but u didnt say ur opinion on the matter
anyway feel free to correct me we are here to learn
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well this is what the forums are for, sharing the info that we know or think we know, but u didnt say ur opinion on the matter
anyway feel free to correct me we are here to learn
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Calm down, it has been my fault because i gave you a more quick and dirty answer instead of explaining all in detail.
About partitions i explained above, about sense 3, only sense 3.0 roms based on the latest ruus using the additional lib partition (and even there not all of them). I didn't say it before, because i thought it doesn't matter for you, because you are anyways using cm7.
Sry, for OT.
Edit: enigmaamit meant also (or i think he meant it, if i'm wrong pls correct me), that the op didn't want to know which version of the eng hboot is better in which case, he just wanted to know how he can overwrite the revolutionary one.
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well this is what the forums are for, sharing the info that we know or think we know, but u didnt say ur opinion on the matter
anyway feel free to correct me we are here to learn
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You don't HAVE to use the new hboot fo sense. The old one works just fine. That is what i meant to say, in reply to your rather assertive statement that (and i'm quoting you here) :
"in case u want sense 3 roms u should flash 2.00.2002"
You can use the new hboot on sense ROMs if you want, but it doesn't give you any benefits compared to the older one... (feel free to point out if somehow you believe that it does) so the "should flash" part was misleading. It is also advisable not to muck around with the hboot unless absolutely necessary, more so with the new one (2.00.2002), which only creates a setting for complications later on, without any well established benefits.
I only corrected you for your own sake, and for the sake of other readers here who might take your advice at face value. It wasn't my intention to flame you, nor was my post drafted with any scorn/sarcasm/fire.
You misunderstood me, hence this explanation. However, I acknowledge that it's your device, so feel free to live by whatever concepts suit you best.
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You don't HAVE to use the new hboot fo sense. The old one works just fine. That is what i meant to say, in reply to your rather assertive statement that (and i'm quoting you here) :
"in case u want sense 3 roms u should flash 2.00.2002"
You can use the new hboot on sense ROMs if you want, but it doesn't give you any benefits compared to the older one... (feel free to point out if somehow you believe that it does) so the "should flash" part was misleading. It is also advisable not to muck around with the hboot unless absolutely necessary, more so with the new one (2.00.2002), which only creates a setting for complications later on, without any well established benefits.
I only corrected you for your own sake, and for the sake of other readers here who might take your advice at face value. It wasn't my intention to flame you, nor was my post drafted with any scorn/sarcasm/fire.
You misunderstood me, hence this explanation. However, I acknowledge that it's your device, so feel free to live by whatever concepts suit you best.
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Something else i missed to point out, sry and thx for saying it, I must confess that i didn't really notice the should^^
About the 2.00.2002, it has been told that the new bootloader serves a little speed improvement at usage with roms that include the additional lib partition, but that's all afaik.
But with the complications your right, i tried it yesterday for a short time and i had the /cache error at recovery (the one that long has been mistakenly connected to the dead emmc) a wipe fixed it, but as long as i used 0.98.2000 (and now again) i never had it.
Tectas said:
Something else i missed to point out, sry and thx for saying it, I must confess that i didn't really notice the should^^
About the 2.00.2002, it has been told that the new bootloader serves a little speed improvement at usage with roms that include the additional lib partition, but that's all afaik.
But with the complications your right, i tried it yesterday for a short time and i had the /cache error at recovery (the one that long has been mistakenly connected to the dead emmc) a wipe fixed it, but as long as i used 0.98.2000 (and now again) i never had it.
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Thank you for that tectas.
I believe it is a good idea to always look at the risk-vs-benefit ratio when doing anything... I live by this philosophy and even apply it to my clinical practice when deciding treatment options that include drugs and surgical modalities. And in this case, i do not see the point of using an hboot which offers no groundbreaking boost in performance (if it did, all the devs here would have migrated to it long ago...) as compared to the potential glitches it is reputed to cause... As far as i am concerned, there are only two logical choices when changing your hboot... either stick to the revolutionary hboot, or the ENG hboot, as they are widely proven to be stable and user-friendly. 2.00.2002 was something HTC decided to cram down our throats and from what i can see, all over the forum, people are choosing to downgrade and get either of the two above... Those on the new hboot are welcome to stick to it, but it is counter-intutive to actually change your existing hboot to the new one, just for the heck of it.
'nuff said. I rest my case. I, for sure, am never moving to 2.00.2002 - i just don't see the point.
no on the contrary i'm not angry or anything, im delighted for gaining this info now.
and understand the risks of the new eng hboot, thx to all of you guys for re-explaining this and sorry for the incovenience, will modify my original post so no one gets confused
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Hey guys,
I have been trying for ages to get a goldcard to work for the Sensation. I have managed to create a goldcard, but sadly, when trying to flash via fastboot (using RUU) and off the SD card, it doesn't work.
This leads me to think: Have HTC someone disabled the spoofing of CIDs from gold cards? Like I said, the gold card is created properly, the only thing I can think of, is that HTC disabled it? Or could it just be the SD card that is causing it to not work?
I am not a huge expert on this, can anyone else help?
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Hey guys,
I have been trying for ages to get a goldcard to work for the Sensation. I have managed to create a goldcard, but sadly, when trying to flash via fastboot (using RUU) and off the SD card, it doesn't work.
This leads me to think: Have HTC someone disabled the spoofing of CIDs from gold cards? Like I said, the gold card is created properly, the only thing I can think of, is that HTC disabled it? Or could it just be the SD card that is causing it to not work?
I am not a huge expert on this, can anyone else help?
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nice your trying, will keep my eye on you
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nice your trying, will keep my eye on you
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Haha thanks capy
I have 4 SD cards which I am testing out. Using bootloader method with PG58IMG.zip (Sensation ROM name in zip via bootloader) and via RUU (fastboot commands and then running the RUU, commands found here
Let's see how it goes. But I am worried that HTC did disable it somehow Is that possible?
i have no idea, but now i have a big intrest as i can get it here now, but if i cannot cook for it, then why by it but would be nice cooking for it along with dhd
I believe goldcard doesn't really help on most modern devices from htc...
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I believe goldcard doesn't really help on most modern devices from htc...
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I thought it worked on the Incredible S? Certainly worked on the DHD. I didn't ever use one, but I know people have done it (seen it in threads regarding debranding)
Information courtesy of jagaroth via a PM to me:
Sorry to PM but I can't post on a dev section without 10 posts and won't spam other subjects when hacking the desire is what I'm interested in. Feel free to repost if you think anything below is interesting (or will save others time).
Ok, I have at least 2 working gold cards and none of the HTC generic Roms will flash.
Thought I would try flashing my networks ROM (just testing fastboot PG58IMG.zip) & while that passed sig check it failed to install.
So next thing to try was using the RUU.exe and againg a fail. Seems you can't downgrade your existing ROM. I have 1.27.161.1 & the RUU is 1.24.161.1.
With downgrading Roms out for now (even with a gold card) a bit more digging is needed to un-brand and caution in upgrading since going back if an exploit is discovered will be tricky.
There does seem to be a weakness that may enable gingerbreak style root. Data can be pushed to data/local/tmp , chmod used and code executed there. A small chink in the armour.
Much faffing around in adb shell and examining logcat data awaits. Feels very strange having a tethered phone when I've got used to wifi adb!
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So yeah, seems goldcard is out Such a shame
I hate HTC right now. At least a nice little goldcard would mean I could dump this Vodafone crap, and get proper Sensation Rosie here (the transparent one).
Update: I tried to run the HTC 1.27 shipped RUU (not the 1.24 RUU) and I got a different error. It was a signature error, not a CID error. What could this mean exactly? Not an expert.
madindehead said:
Information courtesy of jagaroth via a PM to me:
So yeah, seems goldcard is out Such a shame
I hate HTC right now. At least a nice little goldcard would mean I could dump this Vodafone crap, and get proper Sensation Rosie here (the transparent one).
Update: I tried to run the HTC 1.27 shipped RUU (not the 1.24 RUU) and I got a different error. It was a signature error, not a CID error. What could this mean exactly? Not an expert.
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Goldcard's don't allow downgrading on their own. You have to change the ROM version identifier in misc to a lower version - in addition to using a Goldcard if you have a carrier CID and are downgrading to stock - if you want to do that. As far as upgrading/unbranding, I can't say why the sig check is failing as I don't have the phone and I'm not an expert. These instructions work for making a Goldcard for the DHD:
http://androidforums.com/desire-hd-...ding-1-32-405-6-1-84-720-3-a.html#post2657079
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Goldcard's don't allow downgrading on their own. You have to change the ROM version identifier in misc to a lower version - in addition to using a Goldcard if you have a carrier CID and are downgrading to stock - if you want to do that. As far as upgrading/unbranding, I can't say why the sig check is failing as I don't have the phone and I'm not an expert. These instructions work for making a Goldcard for the DHD:
http://androidforums.com/desire-hd-...ding-1-32-405-6-1-84-720-3-a.html#post2657079
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So, where is the misc that you can change the version number in to downgrade then?
madindehead said:
So, where is the misc that you can change the version number in to downgrade then?
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It's the partition on the phone where things like CID, ROM version and other variables are stored. You need at least temp root to write to it so we're not in a position to do this yet.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...plained-boot-system-recovery-data-cache-misc/
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It's the partition on the phone where things like CID, ROM version and other variables are stored. You need at least temp root to write to it so we're not in a position to do this yet.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...plained-boot-system-recovery-data-cache-misc/
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Damn ok. Thanks for that. Then I will stop with trying to get 1.24 to install. 1.27 gives me a signature error, not a CID error, so not sure what that is (going from Vodafone 1.27 to HTC 1.27).
I guess I will pack it in until we get temp root. And since GingerBreak doesn't work, I don't know how we can get temp root. Really need a proper dev to get the device and start work on it, as I wouldn't know where to start looking, unless people can give me pointers?
If we find a dev willing to work on it we should have a whip round so they can buy a sensation. I saw they did this on an attrix thread if I remember right and they had the money in donations within a couple of days.
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kingguff said:
If we find a dev willing to work on it we should have a whip round so they can buy a sensation. I saw they did this on an attrix thread if I remember right and they had the money in donations within a couple of days.
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Not a bad idea.
TO begin with, temp root would be a massive bonus. First allowing rooted apps to at least run, and then work can begin on the actual bootloader.
Yes it was the attrix thread, they got 700$ to a dev in China and he is making progress by the sound of it.
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I cannot find it now. I'll have a look when i get home
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well i tried everything i know related to goldcards and no dice. my sensation has 1.27 base and i was trying to update to 1.28. no matter how many cards i made (yes they were correctly made) i come done to this:
(bootloader) checking custom ID...
FAILED (remote: 42 custom id check fail)
The best is to speak with AlphaRev team...........
I only flashed the stock asia rom again,and felt a bit faster than before..
same
Same thing here
I have made a gold card, and i am getting the Country ID (CID) error.
RADLOUNI said:
Same thing here
I have made a gold card, and i am getting the Country ID (CID) error.
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The same..I tried to flash O2 1.34 ROM, but it said CID incorrect
Probably showing my ignorance but i would like to know if any functionality is lost by changing the bootloader of a rom to the revolutionary bootloader when s-offing the rom?
I would also be grateful if somebody could explain to me what improvements or ill effects a change of bootloader can invoke i.e. what parts of the functionality of the rom do the bootloader effect.
Bootloader doesn't affect the ROM at all. The bootloader is just what boots into a rom.
bobsie41 said:
Probably showing my ignorance but i would like to know if any functionality is lost by changing the bootloader of a rom to the revolutionary bootloader when s-offing the rom?
I would also be grateful if somebody could explain to me what improvements or ill effects a change of bootloader can invoke i.e. what parts of the functionality of the rom do the bootloader effect.
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If you go through the Revolutionary process. You'll get a Hboot with a slightly different version.
You will however, get S-OFF and Su and a Custom Recovery (ClockworkMod, CWM).
The phone will operate normally. You will have the opportunity of backing it up (Nandroid), installing apps that require Root access and install Custom ROMs.
As I think the other poster mentioned, can't see it ATM, the bootloader is Phone based and independent of the ROM.
I originally used a similar process (AlphaRev) on my desire, AlphaRev and Unrevoked produced Revolutionary together.
From personal experience, it has not affected my phone in any adverse manner, as always YMMV. It opened possibilities though.
Then why are there different bootloaders??
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Then why are there different bootloaders??
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Usually 'cos HTC release slightly different versions of them.
The latest one 1.19 seems more locked down for example.
TBH most folks just use Revolutionary to S-OFF etc. then just leave it at that, mine is 1.17.1111 Once it's done it's done. There is a new Radio that seems to require 1.19 but as my phone works well with the current version I have installed, I'm leaving that well alone.
According to their site they can apply S-OFF to the following versions: HTC Sensation (pyramid) 1.17.0006, .0008, .0011 and .0012, 1.18.0000
What are you actually trying to do / want to achieve ?
what u loose is if u are on stock can update using HTC OTA
If u are stock rom u will not be able to make the OTA updates as it will hang since it expect its own hboot, this is the drawback I know. u will have them to reload a stock copy to have the official hboot and recovery again.
boalos said:
If u are stock rom u will not be able to make the OTA updates as it will hang since it expect its own hboot, this is the drawback I know. u will have them to reload a stock copy to have the official hboot and recovery again.
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Good point.
However Custom ROMs seem to be "nicer" and tend to have updates earlier.
EDIT: As a fellow Vodafone UK user I thought I'd add that: When I had my HTC Desire (was running Eclair initially) and Froyo was being released, Vf UK was one of the slowest companies to release it. As the newer Froyo offered significant improvements I jumped at the chance to go for a Carrier independent ROM that supported Froyo. Thus freeing myself from Vf release schedule and also removing the Vf bloat ware that I never used. I did suffer a set back when I got the Sensation as initially S-OFF wasn't possible. This situation looks like it'll repeat itself with the release of ICS. PM if you want more info.
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Usually 'cos HTC release slightly different versions of them.
The latest one 1.19 seems more locked down for example.
TBH most folks just use Revolutionary to S-OFF etc. then just leave it at that, mine is 1.17.1111 Once it's done it's done. There is a new Radio that seems to require 1.19 but as my phone works well with the current version I have installed, I'm leaving that well alone.
According to their site they can apply S-OFF to the following versions: HTC Sensation (pyramid) 1.17.0006, .0008, .0011 and .0012, 1.18.0000
What are you actually trying to do / want to achieve ?
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I am trying to achieve the best possible stock experience but i don't want to lose the ability to root.
The reason i was asking was the fact that it was stated that, the new h-boot was needed for the new radio to work properly on the leaked ics with sense RUU which suggests that the bootloaders have slightly different functionality.
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I am trying to achieve the best possible stock experience but i don't want to lose the ability to root.
The reason i was asking was the fact that it was stated that, the new h-boot was needed for the new radio to work properly on the leaked ics with sense RUU which suggests that the bootloaders have slightly different functionality.
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Ahh you're talking about 11.59..... Sorry I think I got off topic :-((
I've seen a few still using 10.58.........10.15... on ICS with success. I have downloaded an ICS ROM and it seems to work on HBoot 1.17.1111 with my radio. Reflashed back to CM7 though, but I now have the option. I'll reflash ICS again and just confirm it works on 3G and WiFi as usual. I didn't check too far when I first tried. Please bear in mind that these ICS ROMs are based on unreleased versions, so really a taster at the moment.
i got this hboot details..
-Revolutionary-
SAGA PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-6.98.1002
RADIO-3805.06.02.03_M
eMMC-boot
March 10 2011,14:58:38
im using custom
[ROM][27 APR] [Reaper V3.0 | GB 2.3.7] [Reaper Kernel V1.2][FTL Launcher][UCS]]
do i still need to flash radio and hboot??
if so then what guide should i follow??
iv been reading this thread for a while now..
too many guides i dont know which one to follow..
thx for answer )
What exactly are you trying to do? You never need to flash a radio or HBOOT unless you want to.
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What exactly are you trying to do? You never need to flash a radio or HBOOT unless you want to.
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BTW im using 4EXT recovery
i read somewhere in this forum its better to flash ENG hboot after revolutionary right??
is it fine if i flash it while using custom rom??
and about the radio thing im not sure if i need that..
i just want to make sure nothing's bad
gonna happen
What am I lacking?
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That begs a witty reply, but I'll supress the urge...
You don't need to flash another HBOOT unless you want to flash another ROM that requires a different HBOOT version. Some (as they say) 'Re-engineered' HBOOTS also don't allow Fastboot commands, keep that in mind when deciding on one. Some programs such as 'Android Flasher' say they require an ENG HBOOT to work etc... Once again it comes down to what YOU want as dan fish mentioned.
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That begs a witty reply, but I'll supress the urge...
You don't need to flash another HBOOT unless you want to flash another ROM that requires a different HBOOT version. Some (as they say) 'Re-engineered' HBOOTS also don't allow Fastboot commands, keep that in mind when deciding on one. Some programs such as 'Android Flasher' say they require an ENG HBOOT to work etc... Once again it comes down to what YOU want as dan fish mentioned.
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i see so i dont need to flash and hboot??? are you sure some command's wont work???
but there are many threads saying its better to flash eng hboot...than revolutionary??
Yes, they say it's better according to THEIR needs. Do some research on just what different HBOOTS including the Eng one can accomplish, then decide if you really need to change. And yes, some HBOOTS do not accept Fastboot commands after you've flashed them.
Just relax, ignore the hype[excited opinions], analyze facts and then decide.
Do not go mindlessly flashing stuff just because ppl say it's bettah...
haha thx maybe i need more knowledge about hboot and radios
ill just stay here and read more hahah thx again ^_^
but ill still wait for other's opinion though
guys if someone is there any opinion??
i need extra knowledge about this
thx
Sorry, but im just borrowing this thread a little bit
What does happen with my phone when I downgrade the HBOOT?
Pls answer, because I have searched for a whole week and I haven't got any answer from anyone
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Sorry, but im just borrowing this thread a little bit
What does happen with my phone when I downgrade the HBOOT?
Pls answer, because I have searched for a whole week and I haven't got any answer from anyone
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when you downgrade your hboot you can use revolutionary for s-off...i think
Okey, but I mean, is the phone the same after the process? Or does anything change(for an example, does the operative system change it something?).
Thanks for answering I really appreciate it
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You won't see any changes. I believe the updated HBOOT changed the size of certain partitions. Shouldn't affect you by downgrading
Aha, okey thanks!
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So I am a noob to HTC phones. I understand what S-Off is but I am not entirely sure what I could with my phone with it that I can't do now. I am trying to understand whether I should go through the process since there is always the risk of bricking. Thanks!
I have no idea what S-Off is :/ i need some enlightenment
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S-Off is the main thing that allows u 2 root yr phone...
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a simple search on the net can tell you what it does
but it does a lot of "techie" things you're not suppose to do
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a simple search on the net can tell you what it does
but it does a lot of "techie" things you're not suppose to do
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I did do that. It said that I could flash ROMs, Radios, stop my bootloader from saying unlocked. Most of this things with the exception of the last I can already do. I was just wondering if there is something that I could be missing out from. Thanks!
Contrary to popular belief, s-off actually has very little to do with your phone being rooted. S-OFF stands for Security-Off, which basically allows you to modify any partition on the device, and changes will not be reset upon a reboot. Also, the signature checking of the firmware zips is disabled, allowing users to flash unsigned firmware zips containing the separate images of the partitions.
Very simply put, that's what it is. There is a lot more to it that you guys can probably look up. For a user on an hboot below 1.14 it really doesn't do all that much, but it's very useful for devs and people post-hboot 1.14
I'm not totally sure what it will do for us, but it was easy enough for me to go through with it, took about 5 minutes if you've already got ADB/Fastboot set up.
I heard it could take away that stupid red paragraph when I boot and that was all I needed to hear haha
I feel like I just got a new toy but can't read the instruction manual... can I flash a new radio? do I need to do something special like flash through fastboot?
I know I sound like a broken record but
I'd love to see someone create a dual boot program for our phone.
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BobbyDukes707 said:
I feel like I just got a new toy but can't read the instruction manual... can I flash a new radio? do I need to do something special like flash through fastboot?
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You got to wait for the new tools to be released. Nothing happens automatically AFAIK.
You can flash ROMs on newer hboot without fastboot
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so how do you get rid of the red text on boot??? and also how can the unlocked/ tampered flags be reset (while staying unlocked)
31ken31 said:
so how do you get rid of the red text on boot??? and also how can the unlocked/ tampered flags be reset (while staying unlocked)
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Things will come, just have to give the devs a chance since we just got s-off.
SouL Shadow gave an excellent response to the question here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38169711&postcount=2462
But as already indicated, things will come in the future, it really doesn't gain much at the moment. Especially for those still on pre-1.14 hboot (and can already flash radios, kernels from recovery).
Okay so obviously to use any of the AOSP Roms with the 3.4 kernel, you have to s-off then RUU, ect.. ect...ect...
I'm on vanilla root-box 6/11 right now and it just refuses to keep apps in memory. I don't have time to really try a new ROM or learn how to s-off and stuff ATM. I plan to sometime next week., but in the mean time, I was wondering if I flash a ROM that uses the 3.4 kernel and then immediately flash a different kernel before even booting. Would that get me past the previous requirements?
kyleallen5000 said:
Okay so obviously to use any of the AOSP Roms with the 3.4 kernel, you have to s-off then RUU, ect.. ect...ect...
I'm on vanilla root-box 6/11 right now and it just refuses to keep apps in memory. I don't have time to really try a new ROM or learn how to s-off and stuff ATM. I plan to sometime next week., but in the mean time, I was wondering if I flash a ROM that uses the 3.4 kernel and then immediately flash a different kernel before even booting. Would that get me past the previous requirements?
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Nope, you'll probably brick doing that.
kyleallen5000 said:
Okay so obviously to use any of the AOSP Roms with the 3.4 kernel, you have to s-off then RUU, ect.. ect...ect...
I'm on vanilla root-box 6/11 right now and it just refuses to keep apps in memory. I don't have time to really try a new ROM or learn how to s-off and stuff ATM. I plan to sometime next week., but in the mean time, I was wondering if I flash a ROM that uses the 3.4 kernel and then immediately flash a different kernel before even booting. Would that get me past the previous requirements?
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You can't flash a different kernel because those ROMs require the 3.4 kernel. There are a few lucky individuals that have been able to flash the newer 3.4 ROMs without going through the s-off & RUU process but that is definitely not the norm. You could try it but you will probably end up in a boot loop just like I did. I was already s-off so I just had to run the RUU. But even doing the whole process isn't a very time consuming ordeal. I did the whole process on a friend's phone yesterday and it took around 30 minutes and was very easy.
RollTribe said:
Nope, you'll probably brick doing that.
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Yeah i figured it was a long shot, glad i asked first lol. Thanks dude!
pside15 said:
You can't flash a different kernel because those ROMs require the 3.4 kernel. There are a few lucky individuals that have been able to flash the newer 3.4 ROMs without going through the s-off & RUU process but that is definitely not the norm. You could try it but you will probably end up in a boot loop just like I did. I was already s-off so I just had to run the RUU. But even doing the whole process isn't a very time consuming ordeal. I did the whole process on a friend's phone yesterday and it took around 30 minutes and was very easy.
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Oh I'm sure it's not to bad, but I have no idea how to use fastboot or adb (I've lucked by without having to use either, at least to my knowledge). Plus I don't readily have a windows PC, I just want make sure I know what I'm doing before I even attempt it. I've been looking over gunnyman's adb for noobs (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1754018), I'll give it a shot sometime next week when I've worked up the courage. Thanks for the advice!
pside15 said:
There are a few lucky individuals that have been able to flash the newer 3.4 ROMs without going through the s-off & RUU process but that is definitely not the norm.
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3.4 kernel requires only 3.18/2.14 hboot.
If you already meet those requirements there is no need to RUU to 3.18
If you don't need to RUU to 3.18, you don't need to S-OFF.
It's really just that simple.
exad said:
3.4 kernel requires only 3.18/2.14 hboot.
If you already meet those requirements there is no need to RUU to 3.18
If you don't need to RUU to 3.18, you don't need to S-OFF.
It's really just that simple.
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I meant there are people who have gotten it to work on an older hboot. Also, you can't just update your hboot without doing the ruu. There's something else in the update that it requires. So if you were s-off and just updated your hboot to 2.14 like I tried, the 3.4 kernel ROMs still won't flash correctly. I had an 2.14 hboot and still had to run the ruu.
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I meant there are people who have gotten it to work on an older hboot. Also, you can't just update your hboot without doing the ruu. There's something else in the update that it requires. So if you were s-off and just updated your hboot to 2.14 like I tried, the 3.4 kernel ROMs still won't flash correctly. I had an 2.14 hboot and still had to run the ruu.
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Yes, you require all the files in the firmware zip. It's not so much the hboot that matters hence why I put 3.18 software/2.14 hboot.
The people who managed to do it with lower hboot did the 3.18 update at some point and then downgraded just the hboot using the modded hboot file.
exad said:
Yes, you require all the files in the firmware zip. It's not so much the hboot that matters hence why I put 3.18 software/2.14 hboot.
The people who managed to do it with lower hboot did the 3.18 update at some point and then downgraded just the hboot using the modded hboot file.
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Not trying to start an argument or anything but, I have seen and responded to users that have gotten a 3.4 kernel ROM to boot on an older hboot without ever having done the 3.18 update. It's definitely not the norm and I wouldn't even recommend trying it but there are a few people that have done it successfully.
pside15 said:
Not trying to start an argument or anything but, I have seen and responded to users that have gotten a 3.4 kernel ROM to boot on an older hboot without ever having done the 3.18 update. It's definitely not the norm and I wouldn't even recommend trying it but there are a few people that have done it successfully.
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The ones I've seen pull that off had run the 3.18 ruu then downgraded the hboot. If it was that simple I doubt the the Rom would say it was required. And even if it was pulled of it was done by not following directions. Noobs with this phone that don't know how quirky it is can brick it. So I recommend following the steps the Rom calls for. There are more bricks from people skipping steps or not following directions
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31ken31 said:
The ones I've seen pull that off had run the 3.18 ruu then downgraded the hboot. If it was that simple I doubt the the Rom would say it was required. And even if it was pulled of it was done by not following directions. Noobs with this phone that don't know how quirky it is can brick it. So I recommend following the steps the Rom calls for. There are more bricks from people skipping steps or not following directions
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I'm not saying it's that simple and yes, I agree about following the steps. That's why I said I wouldn't even recommend trying the newer ROMs without updating first. I have seen it work though. That's all I'm saying. Maybe those users were ignorant on exactly what they did but I'm just going on what I've read and responded to.
Same ken. I have not seen anyone manage without having 3.18 at some point and I chill on here and in facepalm quite often. In fact, I don't even have a physical body. I am just a conciousness who lives within a hoxl. j/k
Pside if you say you've seen it, that's cool. But it is true that I live on these forums and find it odd that I have not encountered that situation yet.
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exad said:
Same ken. I have not seen anyone manage without having 3.18 at some point and I chill on here and in facepalm quite often. In fact, I don't even have a physical body. I am just a conciousness who lives within a hoxl. j/k
Pside if you say you've seen it, that's cool. But it is true that I live on these forums and find it odd that I have not encountered that situation yet.
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Go to my profile and look at my quoted posts or just go back a bit in the Carbon thread. You will see where I quoted someone who was s-on and on the 1.14 hboot that flashed one of the 3.4 nightlies successfully. He was wondering if his phone was going to mess up now. That's the only specific one I remember off the top of my head but I know I've seen others as well. Like I said I'm just going by what I read. They could be completely wrong, lying, or just ignorant noobs. I live on these forums as well and have absolutely no reason to make something like this up.
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