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Hi,
I was wondering how to remove the apps that come with the phone on vodafone as i recently changed to 3 or can i flash the 3 ruu to my phone? Thanks
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You could flash the Sense 3.0 ROM before the Vodafone upgrade
You may need to create a GoldCard to be able to flash it (if you have a different CID).
But in order to remove any stock apps, you have to be S-Off or HTCdev unlock your phone and either get root on your phone or install a custom pre-rooted ROM.
I want to get rid of the vodafone ones and install the 3 ones how do i do this?
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deadphone99 said:
I want to get rid of the vodafone ones and install the 3 ones how do i do this?
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You need to install another HTC RUU (e.g. the European) and you'll be fine.
Is your DS also SIM locked? If yes, you may need to unlock it afterwards.
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So can i install the 3 ruu on my phone? If i download it and install it and what is a goldcard?
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See this post here on how to create a goldcard. The goldgard is needed in order to bypass the CID check of the official RUU (or to "fool" the CID check). And then you'll be able to run the RUU you want
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Thanks, so if i download the 3 ruu and flash it will it come up with the 3 apps etc?
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does anyone know what to do?
If i reflash rom will it wipe my root and will it wipe my pictures stored on sd card?
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deadphone99 said:
If i reflash rom will it wipe my root and will it wipe my pictures stored on sd card?
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deadphone..... Really?
Do you know why nobody's answering your questions? Because they indicate that you haven't done any reading whatsoever, and you're too eager to jump into stuff you haven't the slightest clue about. I suggest you read up about android in general, how stuff works on this device in particular, read about bricks that have been made off perfectly good phones because of reckless flashing and following the advice of other novices, who have no idea what they're suggesting... And when you think you're done reading, and know everything there is to know,..... read some more!
I only say this because you and your very helpful "guide" friend here are dillydallying with things like RUU, goldcard, CID hacks, etc.... which is more advanced stuff than you're equipped to handle currently, and this thread looks like a disaster waiting to happen.
Do you know what trouble an incompatible RUU can get you into, if you don't use it correctly? Just S-off your phone and flash a custom ROM man... there are so many stock, pre-rooted ROMs available!
Wait. Patience. Read. Tutorials. Guides. Those are what you should be looking for...........not RUU, Goldcard, CID, Misc_version. You're not there yet.
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I only say this because you and your very helpful "guide" friend here are dillydallying with things like RUU, goldcard, CID hacks, etc.... which is more advanced stuff than you're equipped to handle currently, and this thread looks like a disaster waiting to happen.
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What did I do wrong? I'm just trying to help that guy out, that's why I'm giving him mainly links to other threads in here.
Reading them is considered a must!
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What did I do wrong? I'm just trying to help that guy out
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Nothing.
If you haven't figured it out even now...go ahead, make a Goldcard, and flash a 3 RUU on a Vodafone branded phone. See where that gets you. Do you think CID is the only thing an RUU checks when upgrading a ROM?
I'm sorry if I offended you... maybe you could try out what you just suggested to that guy on your own phone and educate me... I seem to have gotten my concepts wrong.
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Nothing.
If you haven't figured it out even now...go ahead, make a Goldcard, and flash a 3 RUU on a Vodafone branded phone. See where that gets you. Do you think CID is the only thing an RUU checks when upgrading a ROM?
I'm sorry if I offended you... maybe you could try out what you just suggested to that guy on your own phone and educate me... I seem to have gotten my concepts wrong.
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Have to agree with you there, this RUU thing is very dangerous if not handled properly. I've already had an issue flashing the wron RUU, which resulted in my bootloader saying *****Security Warning***** and also i became S-off! Had to take it to HTC, but fortunately they didn't make an issue, and replaced my phone. Have stayed away from RUUs ever since. From what i have read, just making a goldcard is not enough... you need to change Misc_version too, or something like that.
How do i s-off my phone then? Hboot 2.00.0002 and every guide i read says that i have to downgrade is there a way around this? I know you have just said read up but i cant find any guides that say how to s off with my hboot without downgrading
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deadphone99 said:
How do i s-off my phone then? Hboot 2.00.0002 and every guide i read says that i have to downgrade is there a way around this? I know you have just said read up but i cant find any guides that say how to s off with my hboot without downgrading
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Your post started with "How to remove stock apps"
You never provided any details about your phone... I didn't know you were still s-on!! Why didn't you mention that anywhere?
i didn't think it would be relevant at the time, now i know this next time i start a new topic i will include details about my phone. Anyway, the details for my phone are:
hboot 2.00.0002 s-off unlocked with htcdev so what can i do now?
I dont know anything about s-off because i dont have a htc but i do know when you are rooted you can use es file explorer or root explorer to delete apps.In es settings set system as read/write and then navigate to /system/app and delete any apk you want but dont get carried away because you can mess your phone up.Just delete the pre-installed apps you dont want.
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deadphone99 said:
If i reflash rom will it wipe my root and will it wipe my pictures stored on sd card?
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And just so you know flashing a custom rom doesn't erase sd card data.
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OK, so let me ask a completely different question, forget about flashing different ruu's to my phone. how do I flash a custom stock ROM to my phone? details about hboot are above. I would like help directly as I don't want to screw this up and i am new to Android.
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Nothing.
If you haven't figured it out even now...go ahead, make a Goldcard, and flash a 3 RUU on a Vodafone branded phone. See where that gets you. Do you think CID is the only thing an RUU checks when upgrading a ROM?
I'm sorry if I offended you... maybe you could try out what you just suggested to that guy on your own phone and educate me... I seem to have gotten my concepts wrong.
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First of all I thought that this is a community where everyone in here is supposed to help each other and not to start flaming or using irony to say to someone that he may be wrong.
We weren't all born to be experts or geniuses like you may be so you could be just a little bit polite when saying to someone that "hey you are wrong because from my experience you need to do this or that".
I'm new in the Android platform since I've been an android user for only 1,5 year but I believe I managed to play a bit with it, since for the last 7 months I'm constantly "messing" with my old devices.
And no I didn't get offended, I just don't like to see great communities, as XDA, lose their good name / status.
No hard feelings though.
The S-OFF or HTCdev unlock, flashing a custom recovery and installing a custom ROM may be the "easiest" way to do it, but what if the user didn't want to have a custom rom?
As for me trying the suggested method on my DS, well that's what I did in November to my DS, before I decided to go with a custom rom in January.
My DS, even though I got it from a Greek mobile operator (COTE), it was branded (with CID: T-MOBN14) but without any 3rd party apps. Other friends in Greece with DS have a CID: HTC__001 or another that I don't remember it atm but it stands for HTC_ELL (Greece).
After reading the 6th post of this thread, I simply did what you can see on the posts #286 & 288 in this thread.
I don't know if I got lucky or not but my DS worked flawlessly until the 1st week of January when I decided to unlock it using HTCdev, flash 4ext recovery and install CoreDroid.
Based on what I did, I suggested to deadphone99 to go with the Goldcard solution.
Anyway, I'm sorry if I just got lucky and my suggestion may caused deadphone99 to get a dead phone
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OK, so let me ask a completely different question, forget about flashing different ruu's to my phone. how do I flash a custom stock ROM to my phone? details about hboot are above. I would like help directly as I don't want to screw this up and i am new to Android.
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Go to this thread and take it from the beginning, you will find answers to all your questions regarding the S-Off, custom recovery and flashing a custom rom
Hi All,
OK, bootloader is unlocked, I am working on recovery, so the next challenge is....................S-OFF!!! Aw, f%@ck, I thought i had my life back...
I invite all users with ideas and/or knowledge to jump in and tell me what they think I am doing right and what makes me a moron. I have no pride, so lay it on me.
I will post progress reports in Post #2.
Anyway, here's to getting this done quickly.
Steve
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Excellent.
JSLEnterprises said:
Excellent.
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Thought I'd get out of your thread and the root thread....
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Thought I'd get out of your thread and the root thread....
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I had to send another message to red not to reopen the think tank thread (title would have been edited obviously), but to still go ahead with the cleanups... lol
Sorry if I'm totally off base here but I do believe reading on XDA somewhere that with the HTC One series phones when you unlock the bootloader it locks the phone from being able to flash recoverys.
This is the reason why I have waited to do the bootloader unlock I didnt want to screw myself from ever being able to flash custom roms.
you have to use this unlock method for the bootloader so why would it screw anything else up? It opens up all possibilities, not close them.
killathenoob said:
Sorry if I'm totally off base here but I do believe reading on XDA somewhere that with the HTC One series phones when you unlock the bootloader it locks the phone from being able to flash recoverys.
This is the reason why I have waited to do the bootloader unlock I didnt want to screw myself from ever being able to flash custom roms.
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Nope. I have flashed CWM recovery at least 4 times on an international One X AFTER unlocking the bootloader. I wish that were it....
I think you may be thinking of firmware, which is a real mess, because unlocking your bootloader can set your CID to "none", and thus, you can't flash different firmware (i.e., an EU firmware on an Asian phone)...not that that would matter for these carrier-branded phones...
Good job and great progress. Unfortunately, none of us AT&T users can join in on the fun.
killathenoob said:
Sorry if I'm totally off base here but I do believe reading on XDA somewhere that with the HTC One series phones when you unlock the bootloader it locks the phone from being able to flash recoverys.
This is the reason why I have waited to do the bootloader unlock I didnt want to screw myself from ever being able to flash custom roms.
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If that was completely true, then the Tegra 3 model's would not have cwm recovery... yet they do.
We just havent figured out a working method for ours.
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If that was completely true, then the Tegra 3 model's would not have cwm recovery... yet they do.
We just havent figured out a working method for ours.
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i think what Killathehnoob is trying to say is that its only the ROGERS version of the ONE X that when unlocking the BLer HTC has somehow lock the other partitions so that custom recoveries and kernels are not able to be flashed to the phone...which essentially could be the case because all they said they will "unlock" the BLer...BUT they never said they would NOT do anything else in the process. maybe its a possibillity that has been over looked...just THINK TANKING is all
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i think what Killathehnoob is trying to say is that its only the ROGERS version of the ONE X that when unlocking the BLer HTC has somehow lock the other partitions so that custom recoveries and kernels are not able to be flashed to the phone...which essentially could be the case because all they said they will "unlock" the BLer...BUT they never said they would NOT do anything else in the process. maybe its a possibillity that has been over looked...
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I understand what you mean
I wonder if the fact that its new proprietary qualcomm chip is the reason why its being 'limited'... so we may have to rethink the whole initialization process.
we cant even get to the point that the logcat is able to start logging. So we're flying blind.
We've extended the time between loading to the soft reboot after the flash... but that doesnt tell us much.
I found the artice I read check it out
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/05/02/i...bootloader-unlock-tool-on-one-series-devices/
killathenoob said:
I found the artice I read check it out
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/05/02/i...bootloader-unlock-tool-on-one-series-devices/
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Interesting. I think the lack is fastboot boot is what they are referring to. This would prevent custom kernel development on an s-off device, but should still allow flashing of insecure stock boot images, as with the int. HOX, althoug i read it again, anf maybe they are talking about more than that. I am not sure that the article is saying that there is something different with the Rogers version vs other versions, but it seems like there may be, and obviously with the Att version. I think I will spend a day just reading, trying to pick other devs' brains, and start fresh...thanks for the input.
Steve
sk806 said:
Interesting. I think the lack is fastboot boot is what they are referring to. This would prevent custom kernels being flashed on an s-off device, but should still allow flashing of insecure stock boot images, as with the int. HOX. I am not sure that the article is saying that there is something different with the Rogers version, but it seems like there may be, and obviously with the Att version. I think I will spend a day just reading, trying to pick other devs' brains, and start fresh...thanks for the input.
Steve
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The 'fastboot boot' command works however, its how we got root in the first place.
... delegated to a Nigerian prince. Send money.
killathenoob said:
I found the artice I read check it out
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/05/02/i...bootloader-unlock-tool-on-one-series-devices/
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Here is the actual rootzwikk article
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/dear-htc-can-we-have-our-phones-back-r709
JSLEnterprises said:
The fastboot boot command works however, its how we got root in the first place.
... delegated to a Nigerian prince. Send money.
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Whoa, very interesting. I was certain it did not on the Int one x.
JSLEnterprises said:
The 'fastboot boot' command works however, its how we got root in the first place.
... delegated to a Nigerian prince. Send money.
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Just to be clear, you are not referring to fastboot flash boot, right?
Edit, nevermind, jut looked at Paul's post, it is fastboot boot. Wow.
killathenoob said:
I found the artice I read check it out
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/05/02/i...bootloader-unlock-tool-on-one-series-devices/
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Again thanks for this. Back to the drawing board!!!!
I had ended up using the all in one HTC One S root utility that was linked in the fourms. After following all the steps that where listed (While following the youtube guide) My phone when on bootloader will show ****Unlocked**** across the top but s=off any ideas on why that is? I havent quite been able to figure it out im just looking for more information so when I get home I can have at it again :/ just find it odd that given the steps and the fact I had done them all to the T im still having this issue. Any help would be great thanks for taking the time.
I assume this might be better fit for Q&A if your a mod i apologize if you could move it that would be great couldnt figure out how to delete the poist :/ "edit/delete" wont remove the post :/ sorry again
Well if you can post a photo of the boot loader screen that would help me in sorting out your issue.
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Taco991 said:
Well if you can post a photo of the boot loader screen that would help me in sorting out your issue.
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No worries I would be more than happy to provide one after I get home from work
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I had ended up using the all in one HTC One S root utility that was linked in the fourms. After following all the steps that where listed (While following the youtube guide) My phone when on bootloader will show ****Unlocked**** across the top but s=off any ideas on why that is? I havent quite been able to figure it out im just looking for more information so when I get home I can have at it again :/ just find it odd that given the steps and the fact I had done them all to the T im still having this issue. Any help would be great thanks for taking the time.
I assume this might be better fit for Q&A if your a mod i apologize if you could move it that would be great couldnt figure out how to delete the poist :/ "edit/delete" wont remove the post :/ sorry again
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Don't know what you are disappointed about. S-OFF stands for security being off. This may sound bad, but from a developer perspective, it's pretty good. If you have true S-OFF like you claim you do, you can flash ROMs, kernels, radios, etc... in a recovery with no issues at all; regardless of what hboot or custom recovery you have. Unlocked means that you can flash custom recoveries and such using fastboot, which is what you want. To sum it up, S-OFF is good; many devs are trying to get S-OFF, but NONE can figure it out. Just be happy about it.
Having this 'Unlocked' text is what you're going to get if you root/unlock the phone. No way to get around it. If you want to return to complete stock settings and re-lock, your best bet is to be on stock recovery and flash an RUU that corresponds to your network. You may also want to try 'fastboot oem lock'.
Closed Source Project said:
Having this 'Unlocked' text is what you're going to get if you root/unlock the phone. No way to get around it. If you want to return to complete stock settings and re-lock, your best bet is to be on stock recovery and flash an RUU that corresponds to your network. You may also want to try 'fastboot oem lock'.
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Actually I think since he has s-off I think he can make it say whatever he wants.
Once you get the photo up PM me so I can help you out :laugh:
Taco991 said:
Once you get the photo up PM me so I can help you out :laugh:
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So I can recall when I had the mytouch 4g the screen posted was exactly where you would go to flash the zip have they changed it since then? because I cant find the option to load a .zip rom file from :/
smO[pdx] said:
So I can recall when I had the mytouch 4g the screen posted was exactly where you would go to flash the zip have they changed it since then? because I cant find the option to load a .zip rom file from :/
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Where's the S-OFF lol? And yes I think you can do that. It's PD some numbers IMG.zip..
smO[pdx] said:
So I can recall when I had the mytouch 4g the screen posted was exactly where you would go to flash the zip have they changed it since then? because I cant find the option to load a .zip rom file from :/
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Facepalm. You do NOT have S-OFF, What the hell made you think you did. This is normal... Wow. You need to install a custom recovery to flash zips, by the way.
Hey easy on him, he was just mistaken. OP, do you need me to show you how to go back to stock?
smO[pdx] said:
I had ended up using the all in one HTC One S root utility that was linked in the fourms. After following all the steps that where listed (While following the youtube guide) My phone when on bootloader will show ****Unlocked**** across the top but s=off any ideas on why that is? I havent quite been able to figure it out im just looking for more information so when I get home I can have at it again :/ just find it odd that given the steps and the fact I had done them all to the T im still having this issue. Any help would be great thanks for taking the time.
I assume this might be better fit for Q&A if your a mod i apologize if you could move it that would be great couldnt figure out how to delete the poist :/ "edit/delete" wont remove the post :/ sorry again
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Oh sweet jesus you're lucky as hell.
Never ever ever sell your phone, because you got your hands on a developer one or just a phone that slipped through the cracks, because you have full S-OFF.
You should be able to flash ROMs in recovery without going to fastboot to ever flash a kernel, if the ROM is set up for it.
You would do better to change thread title...
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Oh sweet jesus you're lucky as hell.
Never ever ever sell your phone, because you got your hands on a developer one or just a phone that slipped through the cracks, because you have full S-OFF.
You should be able to flash ROMs in recovery without going to fastboot to ever flash a kernel, if the ROM is set up for it.
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Look at a couple post above urs he doesn't have soff
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Ok, I have never been more tempted to throw a phone in all my life. This has me VERY irritated.
I got this htc one x on a hunch, was a good deal, seen great roms on here, thought it was a good idea. I've had nothing but trouble. Heres my deal:
I went to the htcdev site to get the boot loader unlocked. Im no dummy, I've gotten into LOTS of phones. This thing is crazy. I've watched 20 videos, used 3 different computers, NOTHING works. ALWAYS says Error Code: Invalid Bootloader Token Length.
Error Reason: The submitted Token appears to be the wrong length and won't work.
Now this isn't my first rodeo, I read, searched, paused videos made sure I was getting the same info selected, spaces, EVERYTHING that were showing between my screen and the youtube screens. This phone has taken the latest att update. Is this the problem? Has getting into the phone been cut out? Is there another way to get in and load roms? Should I ditch it for a galaxy?
You have supercid, right? The One XL can't have bootloader unlock without it. AT&T Doesn't like for people to use phones the way they're intended to be used
There is a new method for unlocking on the latest update over in general.
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I've never owned a phone so hard to deal with... Everything I read says I need to be rooted, I need to have bootloader unlocked to root, different direction loops I cant seem to break... The noobproof all require bootloader unlocked... there is SO much info, it all points in different directions, and I cant make heads or tails out of it to be honest. I've been reading for 2 days and am about to pitch this thing as far as I can.
I cant find the directions for supercid, just what it does. I normally don't require hand holding... I have an upgrade coming in September.....
Part of my issues is I don't have a charge only mode...
what carrier did the phone come from and what software version are you on?
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Part of my issues is I don't have a charge only mode...
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Newest update doesn't have this option. There's a root method in dev section, however you need linux to run the script. But that's easy to make a bootable CD just to run the script. After you root then dev unlock. Then you can proceed to either fastboot a recovery or use goo manager to install the latest. Then flash away...
I recommend you follow the S-off thread too... That way you don't need fastboot to flash boot.img. then if it came with 3.18 firmware, you'll also need to follow the touchscreen downgrade thread if you plan on using Aosp roms.
It's really not hard to do the last 2 steps, but I have to agree you need to go through an a$$load of steps to get the desired effect. But this phone is great with custom roms. Some call me crazy, but if I run carbon Rom tweaked it'll rival my buddies S4 no problem
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Its a true blue att phone. Running 4.1.1, software 3.18.
I actually run Linux on about everything... I am using my wifes computer to do all this, cause it seemed windows was easier. (insert shame here)
Im just use to the one clicks, the easy additions of clockwork in a single flash on the galaxy phones. Im not giving up, but believe you me, there is an note2 or and s4 in my future.
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Its a true blue att phone. Running 4.1.1, software 3.18.
I actually run Linux on about everything... I am using my wifes computer to do all this, cause it seemed windows was easier. (insert shame here)
Im just use to the one clicks, the easy additions of clockwork in a single flash on the galaxy phones. Im not giving up, but believe you me, there is an note2 or and s4 in my future.
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*Gags a little* lol. Good luck man
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The reason info conflicts is AT&T phones cant use htcdev unlock by AT&T request.
All other evita's can use htcdev fine.
So AT&T phones need root to change cid to pretend to not be an AT&T phone before they can unlock.
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As normal, wonderful help! Im on the right track this time! Thanks!
klloyd said:
Its a true blue att phone. Running 4.1.1, software 3.18.
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If that's the case, you need to go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2283760
That will change you Cid so it no longer identifies your phone as an AT&T model. Then, and only then will you be able to use htcdev to unlock your phone.
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i got this pm and i thot it was worth everyone to see. while i do not recomend turning any device s on,a verizon device that is not unlockable via htcdev is of much more importance,as the only thing that can rescue it is a new enough,signed RUU.
it really is not worth the risk,i promise.
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Hey there, Sorry to bother you with a PM like a noob, but I just have a quick question for you. I have just received a Certified like new replacement M8 from Verizon because my original one had a manufacturer defect. My original one was S-OFF, rooted, with custom recovery and the latest firmware (1.55.605.2) from Verizon. I'm trying to get it back to as close to stock as possible so Verizon doesn't try and say I modified it and mak me pay for it. I already un-rooted it, flashed stock recovery, and took the latest OTA so my radios match my software version. Then I followed this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2708571
to re-lock the bootloader and set the lock status flag. It says locked again in fastboot.
The only thing I have left is the S-OFF that displays in fastboot. I'm trying to find a way to reset that, or at least modify it so it shows S-ON. That way if by some weird chance a Verizon employee boots it to fastboot it will show completely stock and S-ON.
Now i've found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2475216 for resetting the S-OFF flag. I posted in it and asked if it would work on the M8 and nobody could give me an answer. XDA member brymaster5000 told me to ask you and that you could provide an answer.
So finally, my question is, will this fastboot command "fastboot oem writesecureflag 3" work to set my M8 back to S-ON? I know it works on the M7 but nobody can tell me for sure on the M8.
Thanks alot for your time.
Nick
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I would very strongly recommend that you do not turn s on. Phones came s off ,so leaving out that way is not an issue.
Turning s on may open a can of worms that you cannot recover from,and then you're paying for a phone for sure.
As long as your stock rom, recovery and locked you're good to go
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What do you mean phones came s-off? Verizon sent people m8s that already were s-off? It just seems like a super obvious indication that the device was modified. Your not the first person that has said that going back to s-on is a bad idea, so I will listen and not tempt fate. But iam curious, What can happen by doing that command that could cause such problems? And don't stock RUUs return you to s-on? Or do they just reset everything else but s-off?
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before any phone is released,batches are sent off to testers and these devices are always s off. i have owned several factory s off devices,and there is no way of proving the phone you have did not come this way. further, large phone resellers are able to use factory htc diagnostic files to clear security data(sim lock,s off,cid/mid),wich again is a legitimate reason a phone is s off.finding s off in the bootloader is not by any means a "super obvious" indication of having been messed with.
turning the phone s on could cause the tampered flag to reset(we dont completely understand all the things that trip it) or you could end up locked into bootloader with a security warning if the boot,system or recovery are not stock enough. either of these things ARE super obvious indicators that you have messed with it,and tried to hide it.
in the case of the security warning,the only course of action is to:
1)run a signed ruu(wich must meet many criteria since youre now s on)
or
2)re-unlock the bootloader. as you know,using htcdev to unlock is not possible with vzw
an ruu does not change/update the partition where the secutity flag lives and thus will NOT turn you s on.
Thanks for the write up, this should help some users decide. Wish it was as easy as flashing a pit file in Odin . That's one of the main reasons I've yet to root/s-off. HTC devices still confuse me xD
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wtoj34 said:
Thanks for the write up, this should help some users decide. Wish it was as easy as flashing a pit file in Odin . That's one of the main reasons I've yet to root/s-off. HTC devices still confuse me xD
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Agreed great write up... in reference to rooting the m8 it is very easy with weak sauce app I also find the s-off to be easier as well compared to Sammy devices using Odin. with my s4 like with the m8 there was no need for a pc for root but weak sause app is easier then using commands in a terminal emulator. Just my two sense.
thunderbls said:
Agreed great write up... in reference to rooting the m8 it is very easy with weak sauce app I also find the s-off to be easier as well compared to Sammy devices using Odin. with my s4 like with the m8 there was no need for a pc for root but weak sause app is easier then using commands in a terminal emulator. Just my two sense.
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You have missed the point... If you are locked into the bootloader with a security warning and s-on, you can not use weak sauce and firewater
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People need to realize that verizon reps and techs see hundreds of phones, they don't know the details of every device. The security and bootloader status is obvious to us because it's our device and we know everything about it. To a samsung person they won't know WTF your talking about.
Scotty, Would one be able to save their device if they had S-Off, modified the CID, then used HTCDev to get their unlock token before embarking on an endeavor to re-lock the phone? In theory would they be able to use the unlock token even after the CID was changed back and the security flags turned on?
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Scotty, Would one be able to save their device if they had S-Off, modified the CID, then used HTCDev to get their unlock token before embarking on an endeavor to re-lock the phone? In theory would they be able to use the unlock token even after the CID was changed back and the security flags turned on?
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Not really... More later
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Not really... More later
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Yes, I misinterpreted the comment as general ease of use which makes me look like an idiot given the reason for the response.... my apologies and note to self read xda after nap lol.
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Scotty, Would one be able to save their device if they had S-Off, modified the CID, then used HTCDev to get their unlock token before embarking on an endeavor to re-lock the phone? In theory would they be able to use the unlock token even after the CID was changed back and the security flags turned on?
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the prollem is that the vzw cid/mid are blocked(by vzws request ) at htcdev. changing the cid and/or mid will let you get an unlock_code.bin that will officially unlock the bootloader,but this token is only good while the phone contains these same parameters. i.e., you cant get yourself a token,then change the cid and mid back to stock and have the "safety net" of a token in case of a catastrophic security warning. cid,mid,esn,etc must all stay same in order for the token to continue working.
Q:"well,what if i just leave the cid/mid at something different?"
A:that may work,but it may set the tampered flag if the phone realizes that those partitions no longer match. since the cid and mid live in write protected partitions,its also possible what once s is on and the phone starts checking things in its boot sequence,that the processor may freak out,and go into a "do not boot" mode when signitures do not match what they should. (read "do not boot" as: pretty affective hard brick only recoverable by jtag)
plus,even if the phone did boot,and did not set the tampered flag, the phone is not stock,and may fail OTAs or have other issues that may affect users the phone is sent back out to,or may give it away that you have modified it.
the fact is,that these phones are not checked very well,as was said above. the chance of it being noticed that the s off phone is even different than others is slim to none,and it is quite possible that the phone will make it back out into the wild as a refurb without any sort of refurbishing process. if you thot all phones were hooked to a master computer that completely reset things,checked hardware,flashed the newest firmware,and reset things like supercid,simlock and s off,youd be mistaken. due to this fact,it is my strong opinion that patched hboots(displaying incorrect info of locked and s on),or incorrect cid/mids are extremely unethical and should never be sent in to fraud htc or the carriers,espeically since it may affect other users. returning the phone to a stock,locked s-off state is honest,and will not affect a future users esperince. the device will OTA and funtion normally and the unsavy user will never even know they have a device that is special
hope that cleared it up some.
also,sorry if either of my replies earlier were rude,they were not intended to be,im only able to text to speech short replies while im at work.
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the prollem is that the vzw cid/mid are blocked(by vzws request ) at htcdev. changing the cid and/or mid will let you get an unlock_code.bin that will officially unlock the bootloader,but this token is only good while the phone contains these same parameters. i.e., you cant get yourself a token,then change the cid and mid back to stock and have the "safety net" of a token in case of a catastrophic security warning. cid,mid,esn,etc must all stay same in order for the token to continue working.
Q:"well,what if i just leave the cid/mid at something different?"
A:that may work,but it may set the tampered flag if the phone realizes that those partitions no longer match. since the cid and mid live in write protected partitions,its also possible what once s is on and the phone starts checking things in its boot sequence,that the processor may freak out,and go into a "do not boot" mode when signitures do not match what they should. (read "do not boot" as: pretty affective hard brick only recoverable by jtag)
plus,even if the phone did boot,and did not set the tampered flag, the phone is not stock,and may fail OTAs or have other issues that may affect users the phone is sent back out to,or may give it away that you have modified it.
the fact is,that these phones are not checked very well,as was said above. the chance of it being noticed that the s off phone is even different than others is slim to none,and it is quite possible that the phone will make it back out into the wild as a refurb without any sort of refurbishing process. if you thot all phones were hooked to a master computer that completely reset things,checked hardware,flashed the newest firmware,and reset things like supercid,simlock and s off,youd be mistaken. due to this fact,it is my strong opinion that patched hboots(displaying incorrect info of locked and s on),or incorrect cid/mids are extremely unethical and should never be sent in to fraud htc or the carriers,espeically since it may affect other users. returning the phone to a stock,locked s-off state is honest,and will not affect a future users esperince. the device will OTA and funtion normally and the unsavy user will never even know they have a device that is special
hope that cleared it up some.
also,sorry if either of my replies earlier were rude,they were not intended to be,im only able to text to speech short replies while im at work.
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Excellent info, I wondered if the unlock token was tied to the cid/mid. My personal preference is once the phone is unlocked it stays that way. It's my device and I'll take the responsibility for whatever happens to it barring some kind of hardware defect.
l7777 said:
Excellent info, I wondered if the unlock token was tied to the cid/mid. My personal preference is once the phone is unlocked it stays that way. It's my device and I'll take the responsibility for whatever happens to it barring some kind of hardware defect.
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I agree completely.
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I agree completely.
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Anyone at the point of "return" should at least trying running my RUUish zip from boot loader before even thinking about relocking or s-on.
?. Glad to see you throwing some support over here
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dottat said:
Anyone at the point of "return" should at least trying running my RUUish zip from boot loader before even thinking about relocking or s-on.
?. Glad to see you throwing some support over here
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Lol I try and throw support wherever its needed
So far, no m8 ruus yet. Hopefully some start popping up.
As far as I'm concerned,back to stock sequence is this:
While still rooted:
-return cid/mid to.stock
-reset tampered
-lock bootloader
Then:
-run release keys ruu
-collect underpants
-???
-proffit!
When ruu is not available,restore stock boot,system and recovery from backups.
After that's done allow phone to ota to current
Not sure why folks try and make it more complex than that
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How do you reset tampered?
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Lol I try and throw support wherever its needed
So far, no m8 ruus yet. Hopefully some start popping up.
As far as I'm concerned,back to stock sequence is this:
While still rooted:
-return cid/mid to.stock
-reset tampered
-lock bootloader
Then:
-run release keys ruu
-collect underpants
-???
-proffit!
When ruu is not available,restore stock boot,system and recovery from backups.
After that's done allow phone to ota to current
Not sure why folks try and make it more complex than that
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Paulb787 said:
How do you reset tampered?
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Search this forum for a thread. I'm at work, I can't link it at the moment
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scotty1223 said:
So far, no m8 ruus yet. Hopefully some start popping up.
Not sure why folks try and make it more complex than that
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sorta?
For those who stay s-off and have issues I put together an ruu of sorts that includes the ota firmware that will get users out of a sticky situation. ?
Between the two of us we can probably fix most software problems as long as users stay s-off once s-off!!!
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Ha, it's funny that you posted our PM conversation. It's kinda embarrassing but at least I asked someone who knew before just doing it, messing it up, then screaming to the forums for help. And while i am by no means a beginner Android power user, HTC devices are just a little bit different than the Samsung devices I am used to. Though there is alot of good information in this PM conversation that alot more people should know. Glad it could be of use! And thanks for taking the time to reply to my PMs Scotty. I appreciate that.
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Ha, it's funny that you posted our PM conversation. It's kinda embarrassing but at least I asked someone who knew before just doing it, messing it up, then screaming to the forums for help. And while i am by no means a beginner Android power user, HTC devices are just a little bit different than the Samsung devices I am used to. Though there is alot of good information in this PM conversation that alot more people should know. Glad it could be of use! And thanks for taking the time to reply to my PMs Scotty. I appreciate that.
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I didn't mean to embarrass you. They were good questions I thot everyone should read. I should have asked you,and can edit them if you wish.
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I agree completely.
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Nah I wasn't really embarrassed. Haha. I just meant that it's slightly embarrassing that I knew so little about HTC devices, but not a big deal or anything. You were right to post it though, there is some good information there that will do lots of people good.
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sorta?
For those who stay s-off and have issues I put together an ruu of sorts that includes the ota firmware that will get users out of a sticky situation. ?
Between the two of us we can probably fix most software problems as long as users stay s-off once s-off!!!
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Definately a great rescue resource. I just want to make sure that folks understand that since it is unsigned,it will do them no good if they are s on,and stuck in bootloader with a security warning.
As you said,they must stay s off to benefit.(further supporting the point of this thread- don't turn s on)
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I was going to relock/S-On my defective M8 before returning it. I didn't have time though, and ended up just sending back only wiped and un-rooted, although I don't think /system was 100% stock. VZW sent me a text:
VZW FREE MSG: Thank You! The defective device you recently returned has been received by Verizon Wireless.
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That was several weeks ago, haven't heard a thing since. I'm assuming they didn't care it was unlocked, or they are very slow at processing the devices.