Will anything change once HTC releases ICS officially with the source code and kernel info and what not in regards to getting fulling working ASAP ICS and CM9 roms? Will any of this make a difference? Is there something holding us back?
IMO I'd have thought so, the ROMS we've got have been touched upon by the talented Devs here @ XDA, but what they had to begin with wasn't the full version of Android 4.0, so once that gets released the Devs can update their ROMS etc with anythnig that was missing.
Yeah it should help, I assume things like the Camera and Camcorder will be much easier to fix.
If you look at gingerbread, do you see fully working AOSP roms? No. Even CM7 had some issues unsolved..if you want 100% working AOSP rom you need to buy nexus. There always be some issues on htc devices as it is not so simple to use drivers from sense roms in pure AOSP..its very hard to build nonsense rom from scratch even with source codes released...
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Whats the difference? Isn't AOSP kind of like the same thing as senseless?
From what I understand AOSP builds are based off the 'pure' Android code base rather than being derived from another build relationships like a Sense build with the Sense removed.
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Yea I got that much but don't understand what the advantages of having aosp would be? I see people on here all the time saying they want pure aosp instead of senseless, buy why?
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From what I understand AOSP builds are based off the 'pure' Android code base rather than being derived from another build relationships like a Sense build with the Sense removed.
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Well sense has a certain framework it uses to connect bt, radio, widgets and a lot of the kernel. A senseless rom uses this framework just as sense would. This framework in itself is bulky and slower.
The aosp framework works different and is much lighter and snappier as it is from Google source, without interference.
Although a senseless rom appears and functions close to the same it is and always will be slower than aosp.
Sense is however more feature packed and in some cases more hardware compatible.
So to answer your question, we want aosp because it is faster and honestly unchanged as Google intended it.
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Yea I got that much but don't understand what the advantages of having aosp would be? I see people on here all the time saying they want pure aosp instead of senseless, buy why?
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functionally they should be the same but theres probably a minor performance benefit to AOSP over Senseless... Senseless is basically a stock Sense rom with the Sense bits removed by the modder (ie Rosie, Fancy Widget, etc)... however there is probably still some left over HTC code that was overlooked since there is literally thousands of lines of code. A pure AOSP build should not have anything in it that is unnecessary.
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Who else agrees that the developer forum needs some rejuvenation? It seems very slow there with no substantial recent releases..
And also, by the time ICS is officially released at the end of march, I feel that the recent releases of high-performance HTC phones (such as the velocity 4G, etc. here in Australia) will also slow development on the Sensation as the devs move on to the newer phones. Hopefully this wont be the case though
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Who else agrees that the developer forum needs some rejuvenation? It seems very slow there with no substantial recent releases..
And also, by the time ICS is officially released at the end of march, I feel that the recent releases of high-performance HTC phones (such as the velocity 4G, etc. here in Australia) will also slow development on the Sensation as the devs move on to the newer phones. Hopefully this wont be the case though
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You're kidding right? We've had ICS for months now..
Uh, are you on the right planet? Virtuous Inquisition, InsertCoin 4.0.3, and tons more...
I mean the full ICS release, not the beta
Where all the bugs are gone (hopefully), kernel sources are released and more stability is with us
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I mean the full ICS release, not the beta
Where all the bugs are gone (hopefully), kernel sources are released and more stability is with us
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HTC is releasing the official sensation build in a week. There's no point in working on leaks when a stable build is going to be released soon.
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HTC is releasing the official sensation build in a week. There's no point in working on leaks when a stable build is going to be released soon.
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That's kinda what I've been trying to say, we need the full ICS release for more substantial development to occur lol
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Who else agrees that the developer forum needs some rejuvenation? It seems very slow there with no substantial recent releases..
And also, by the time ICS is officially released at the end of march, I feel that the recent releases of high-performance HTC phones (such as the velocity 4G, etc. here in Australia) will also slow development on the Sensation as the devs move on to the newer phones. Hopefully this wont be the case though
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I feel obliged to respond to the first bit to that.
1. We can't improve on the bugs HTC had in test RUU's but we can add in features and fix some stuff, for instance dice app not working on XE base. I fixed that on my ROM, slow SD-card speed, baadnewz fixed, APM capychimp did, leedroid tweaks j4n87 did so how you can say developement is slow I don't know, all you need to do is look in change log foe ROM's (mine was updated a few days ago with some pretty serious fixes)
Come on dude, we are all working on stuff but we also have jobs and lives outside xda
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I fixed that on my ROM, slow SD-card speed, baadnewz fixed, APM capychimp did, leedroid tweaks j4n87 did so how you can say developement is slow I don't know, all you need to do is look in change log foe ROM's (mine was updated a few days ago with some pretty serious fixes)
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I hadn't realised this.. I've only been on a few roms and stock with the beta ICS, as I assumed that the bugs that are in the test build can't be fixed yet. I'm sorry for being ignorant but hopefully the full release will help devs such as yourself by having alot less bugs for you to deal with
Our development scene isn't that bad compared to some phones and new phones doesn't mean development automatically stops. My last two phones nexus one and desire HD still have active development going on even though the phones are getting old now.
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and what bugs? the most recent leak is as good as any official release I can remember.
devs always move on - new devices attract people to buy them etc.
we've probably got 6 - 12 months of solid development left imho.
look out for sense 4 being available on our device once the Ville rom leaks.
It looks like there will be no 7.x (and no 7.2) CyanogenMod for the Pyramid.
In fact, there's no 7.0 at all and for the 7.1 we only have an "alpha10".
In my opinion either this device is so bad that CM team is not paying any attention, or there's some more subtle "marketing" decision behind this lack.
Or maybe all this is due to some obscure reason I'm too dumb to catch!
Is there anyone that can put some more light on this? TIA!
Refrences:
1. http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/the-state-of-cyanogenmod
2. http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/cyanogenmod-founder-joins-samsung-mobile-promises-to-make-andro/
Um wrong section and there skipping cm7 and working on cm9
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what do you want with gingerbread when you can have ics?
infact they care a lot of the sensation device.
You should own an evo 3d, then you will know what it means not to be a supported device
**** no cm 7.2 -.- we have to use cm 9 thats soooooooooooooo bad
I think that I will cry because we're not getting CM7.2
Crying of JOY because OpenSensation CM9 rulez!
I think that CM and MIUI are born for devices with not performant hardware...
we have a great phone, even stock, and we have also support...
CM team knows that even if they work on cm7.2 nobody would install it on his pyramid...
CM is for phones without support! we don't need it
Open sensation or any other aosp rom is not the same original CM.
in my opinion CM is more optimized than any other rom.
Cyanogen mode gives more controls right in settings menu.
i guess virtuous quattro was most close rom to CM9
i think there is no need to turn back or downgrade to gingerbread.
ics is really cool (more optimized, customizable, stable & battery saving).
thats why CM team skipped 7.2. im not a "latest version" maniac.
but for android its ics rocks. + chrome is coming (but only for ics).
but we are gonna get official cm9, aren't we?
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I think that CM and MIUI are born for devices with not performant hardware...
we have a great phone, even stock, and we have also support...
CM team knows that even if they work on cm7.2 nobody would install it on his pyramid...
CM is for phones without support! we don't need it
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Wrong... Back when I had a G2 we had PLENTY of support and still had official CM
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throcker said:
I think that CM and MIUI are born for devices with not performant hardware...
we have a great phone, even stock, and we have also support...
CM team knows that even if they work on cm7.2 nobody would install it on his pyramid...
CM is for phones without support! we don't need it
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i don't think so. i think CM and MIUI are for popular phones.
and i think the reason why our sensation didn't get official cm7 is our qhd screen resolution. and the reason why we didn't get official miui is we didn't get official cm7...
killer for me since I ditched my DHD (running CM7.1) in favour of the lighter and new hardware of the sensation, but I have not enjoyed my return to stock.
I'm not fussed about CM7.2 but it would be nice to be certain that CM9 is coming to the sensation, although it does seem that either the CM dev's are quiet on info regarding CM9 or there aren't many dev's working on it.
I'm getting more and more tempted to root and give the Virtuous ROM a shot, although I don't quite have the time I used to have to play about any more. Sods law, I'll probably end up installing the Virtuous ROM and then a few days later CM9 appear...
Cm team is great but have you tried virtuous ics roms on your sensation? No need for cm9 when you have rmk and his ppl building for us.
HTC Sensation Virtuous 4.0 ICS goodness.
I guess cm9 will come eventually, at the moment I'm using a ROM by TripNRaVer, which you can find in an other forum. It's a mix between CM9 and AOKP. (really fast and stable).
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No, I haven't tried rooting my sensation yet, I was kind of hoping CMsomething would be available by now, although I rely on my phone so much that I would like something pretty stable. I found that CM7.1 was very stable.
When I have time I will search out how to install this ROM, I had a quick look at determining my phones hboot version (codl boot holding vol down) but could not get the phone to display it. I guess I need to use the htcdev boot unlocker?
Anyway, if you let me know if it's stable or not, then I may well give it a shot, thanks in advance.
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/forum-402/announcement-23-cyanogenmod-72-rc1-released/
lol...screw GB when there is ICS. Seriously is anyone really going to be using GB now.
They care a lot, without their open source contributions, the OpenSensation project and basically any ROM based on source wouldn't exist.
Edit: at least talking ICS wise.
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Open sensation or any other aosp rom is not the same original CM.
in my opinion CM is more optimized than any other rom.
Cyanogen mode gives more controls right in settings menu.
i guess virtuous quattro was most close rom to CM9
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You mean other than getting it to work on Sensation OpenSensation is 100% CyanogenMod 9
We have not made any changes to what you would get from an official CM build :S
So, sorry but your guess is way off.
Lots of development for CM9 on Pyramid.
From my point of view, cm9 is inferior compared with cm7.
For a couple of weeks now the RUU for the HTC one S is out but i still can't find a ROM with bluetooth working. How is it that this still doesnt work and any other feature (hardware) was fixed within 4/5 days.
besides that, why are like 5 and more roms which all contains the RUU of the S, and futher only a downloadable kernel. I dont see the difference in a those roms, except for the developers own opinion of spamware. I believe there is a rom which uses install menu, so why not do the follow:
- make one basic rom
- fix what gotta be fixed
- and make a install menu where you can choice all app's to be installed. where only maps, telephone, message, play and browser is basic (maps since is not downloadable)
no offense but for me (as a noob, i can't deny that) it looks like where wasting time just because people are donate- & thanks- horny, where the mean goal should still be offering the user costumized or fully ported roms
well, when the fix comes out, every chef will put that on his rom...so, if you can't find a rom with BT working, is means that there is no fix out...
for your "ideal rom" I agree, there are too many customised roms, i like the stock feel (and I use arhd), if you want something like that I think that ordroid is the best stock like rom...is not working just bluetooth...
I still use arhd until an official relase of sense 4 will be relased...
I am also anxious to use sense 4, but the source has got bugs in it, and the chefs are helpless on this.
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I am also anxious to use sense 4, but the source has got bigs in it, and the chefs are helpless on this.
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Mainly coz the user's don't post logcats?
If someone gave me a logcat of Bluetooth turning on/off in settings it can help pin down the file causing it then reference what has changed in Sense 4 to sense 3.6 then hopefully get it working.
As it is it will be difficult because the Bluetooth for sense 4 is Bluetooth 4.0 whereas sensation us only capable of Bluetooth 3.0 so there is probably a huge variation in the files
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didn't it worked at the RUU of the one X, which also had bluetooth 4.0?
Hi Guys,
I'm very new to this scene and have already started experimenting with ROMS (running Leedroid at the moment). I've just had a quick play with Coldblooded CM10 and love it but I'm intrigued about the current 'broken list'.
Is this just the way it goes with ROM Development on a new device that it goes through multiple iterations until the dev engineers a fix to all the issues? Does it make any difference when HTC for example eventually release the kernel source (which I assume they will once the official JB release comes out). I'm guessing stuff like the headphone issue/in-call echo will be 'fixed' in the official release from HTC so could be implemented in existing ROMs?
Hope that makes sense and I haven't just broken a load of noob xda rules....
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basically a rom is never really finished.
theres always something to be ironed out or a bug that needs to be squashed. or sometimes its just enhancements,
but yea like you said until htc releases the source then stuff wont be 100%
Even when they do release the sources, there's still lots of things that potentially might not work.
Like take for example CM9 (ICS based) - although there are kernel sources out already for HTC's ICS, a bunch of things are not yet working. You can blame that on closed-source drivers, like wifi or camera, etc.
So it might take a while for everything to work properly, but as long as we have dedicated developers like xkonni, intervigil, etc, there's nothing to be worried about.
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Nice thanks guys that makes sense. I just assumed that things like drivers could be poached and reused but I guess a lit of that is part of the sense framework.
I look forward to seeing what happens
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Hi Guys,
I'm very new to this scene and have already started experimenting with ROMS (running Leedroid at the moment). I've just had a quick play with Coldblooded CM10 and love it but I'm intrigued about the current 'broken list'.
Is this just the way it goes with ROM Development on a new device that it goes through multiple iterations until the dev engineers a fix to all the issues? Does it make any difference when HTC for example eventually release the kernel source (which I assume they will once the official JB release comes out). I'm guessing stuff like the headphone issue/in-call echo will be 'fixed' in the official release from HTC so could be implemented in existing ROMs?
Hope that makes sense and I haven't just broken a load of noob xda rules....
Thanks
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No worries man this was a very legit question.