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anyone still on cm7, waiting for cm9? passing on all current ICS roms

anyone still on cm7, passing on all current ICS roms, and waiting for CM9?
I've been using CM7 since it came out. I flashed virt. quatto just to see what ICS looks like, then went back to CM7.
post here if you are like me!

ive been waiting for a stable CM7 on the sensation for over a year now... CM7 alpha10 is pretty close but still not a daily driver.. i dont see a stable CM9 on our phones within the next year.. there are some good AOSP ICS roms though like Virtuous Inquisition which will have to do for now. ever since Samsung hired Cyanogen, you pretty much need a Samsung phone (Galaxy Nexus) for good CM support
the only reason i am using a Sensation right now is because it is the only high end phone (dual core) that supports my $5/mo tzones plan, else I would probably have a Galaxy S2 or the Nexus right now since i much prefer CyanogenMod

I'm in same situation
several past phones (Desire GSM, Atrix 4G) and current Pyramid are on CM7.1
I use Automatic Backlight feature, it's absent in other ROMs, I like Dialer and Contacts in CM.
Tried multiple ICS ROMs but I am unable to use them. Cannot remove contact's pictures from contact list (I don't use concact pictures at all), no adjustable automatic backlight, Volume rocker Wake and so on.
I do not use Google Account at all, all programs I install manually after flashing ROM. No market app, no Gmail, no GTalk. No Sence.
CM is the best for me

I have many phones flashed to CM7.1 and tried the alpha 10 for sensation too. But there are many lacks (e.g. reboot when recording video, battery after 10 hours down to 20%) so I went back and waiting for CM9.

This is my own opinion, I don't believe well even get an alpha build of any kind from kmobs at this point of development even in the next year or two years. I asked him about it an he said he was compiling it at that time.
It tells me a lot by that response from him. That he is a perfectionist that want to do everything by himself an I'm pretty sure that he's gotten help by cm team. And that since he got a GN and amaze he may be too busy to focus on sensation. He said he isn't working on those two but I mean if you had to pick between those two and sensation I might pick them.
The best way to get fixes is by yes providing him log cats towards certain issues but at the same time having the source helps so it can pinpoint the source of the issue in the build.
Many devices have already been merged and I think one or two were made after the sensation was released. Whether its fair or not he has the most updated source for pyramid and we as the people only have nothing but watch and wait

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and we as the people only have nothing but watch and wait
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and we will be slowly insane cause nothing happens. But I've read a few days ago in a post, there are two developers?

I'm still on CM7 and it's not looking good for CM9:
https://plus.google.com/113702637309752822154/posts/DkmD4rUQJ66
I know we're not paying him or anything, but why can't he at least give us an update instead of these "mystery" posts?

poopkeen said:
I'm in same situation
several past phones (Desire GSM, Atrix 4G) and current Pyramid are on CM7.1
I use Automatic Backlight feature, it's absent in other ROMs, I like Dialer and Contacts in CM.
Tried multiple ICS ROMs but I am unable to use them. Cannot remove contact's pictures from contact list (I don't use concact pictures at all), no adjustable automatic backlight, Volume rocker Wake and so on.
I do not use Google Account at all, all programs I install manually after flashing ROM. No market app, no Gmail, no GTalk. No Sence.
CM is the best for me
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WOW dude no google account? That sucks because if you had one you could easily edit or delete your contact info by signing into google from your computer. You do know that android is google right? I think you would be much happier with a flip phone.

blahbl4hblah said:
This is my own opinion, I don't believe well even get an alpha build of any kind from kmobs at this point of development even in the next year or two years. I asked him about it an he said he was compiling it at that time.
It tells me a lot by that response from him. That he is a perfectionist that want to do everything by himself an I'm pretty sure that he's gotten help by cm team. And that since he got a GN and amaze he may be too busy to focus on sensation. He said he isn't working on those two but I mean if you had to pick between those two and sensation I might pick them.
The best way to get fixes is by yes providing him log cats towards certain issues but at the same time having the source helps so it can pinpoint the source of the issue in the build.
Many devices have already been merged and I think one or two were made after the sensation was released. Whether its fair or not he has the most updated source for pyramid and we as the people only have nothing but watch and wait
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I agree. Kmobs is still a kid afterall. Hes in school and needs to focus on college if you ask me. He bought a GN for $500.00 out of pocket despite telling us how great his sensation was running his build of ICS. Even though it is his money, its pretty irresponsible for a college student to do. Needing a new phone is one thing, but wanting something newer to play with is another.
I dont think it will take a year to get CM9 to the sensation, as I feel Kmobs will eventually turn over what he has done to someone else on the CM team and they will finish it for us. All his G+ posts seem to focus on the fun he is having with his GN.
Yea its free, but it would be nice of him to turn over what he has to another respected developer in the spirit of open source and all...If he hasnt got the time for CM9, then maybe someone else does. Keep in mind, CM is thinking about starting a for profit marketplace. It would be good business to get CM9 out for the maximum number of phones if they want the maximum number of customers. The sensation might not be all that popular though...
Maybe someone from the CM team could speak to him about turning over the project?
Matt

mrg02d said:
I agree. Kmobs is still a kid afterall. Hes in school and needs to focus on college if you ask me. He bought a GN for $500.00 out of pocket despite telling us how great his sensation was running his build of ICS. Even though it is his money, its pretty irresponsible for a college student to do. Needing a new phone is one thing, but wanting something newer to play with is another.
I dont think it will take a year to get CM9 to the sensation, as I feel Kmobs will eventually turn over what he has done to someone else on the CM team and they will finish it for us. All his G+ posts seem to focus on the fun he is having with his GN.
Yea its free, but it would be nice of him to turn over what he has to another respected developer in the spirit of open source and all...If he hasnt got the time for CM9, then maybe someone else does. Keep in mind, CM is thinking about starting a for profit marketplace. It would be good business to get CM9 out for the maximum number of phones if they want the maximum number of customers. The sensation might not be all that popular though...
Maybe someone from the CM team could speak to him about turning over the project?
Matt
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+1
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

after today I don't think I will go back to cm7 again. I have been running vi all this month and currently on v3.0.0 and it will do until something better comes out.
yes, I do believe knob abandoned our phone and do not expect any release from him. January is almost over and we are left in the dark. The promise I made to myself is never to get a non nexus phone again. I will just wait a little bit to see if they release the 32gig GSM version.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium

Just switch to an ICS rom in the meanwhile. I reccomend Virtuous Quadratto.

blurry mms
Im using Virtuous Quattro Alpha3 4.0.3. Any im receiving tiny mms pics. Is their a fix?

c19932 said:
anyone still on cm7, passing on all current ICS roms, and waiting for CM9?
I've been using CM7 since it came out. I flashed virt. quatto just to see what ICS looks like, then went back to CM7.
post here if you are like me!
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I am like you!
I use HyperSensation with Launcher Pro.

NotoriousX3 said:
Im using Virtuous Quattro Alpha3 4.0.3. Any im receiving tiny mms pics. Is their a fix?
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Off Topic. Thread title is "anyone still on cm7, waiting for cm9? passing on all current ICS roms"

I could personally care less about CM9. I am running CM7 now and it works fine. I considered flashing an ICS ROM but they all suck right now. Personally if there was a pure vanilla Android ROM (Gingerbread or ICS) I would run that. If CM9 is the closest I will get to AOSP ICS then I guess I will use that whenever (if??) a stable release ever comes out for the Sensation. To be honest I might even be using a Nexus by that time since development for the Sensation is basically dead.

webmaster said:
I could personally care less about CM9. I am running CM7 now and it works fine. I considered flashing an ICS ROM but they all suck right now. Personally if there was a pure vanilla Android ROM (Gingerbread or ICS) I would run that. If CM9 is the closest I will get to AOSP ICS then I guess I will use that whenever (if??) a stable release ever comes out for the Sensation. To be honest I might even be using a Nexus by that time since development for the Sensation is basically dead.
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I counted seven flavours of Sensation ICS ROMs discussed and most are available somewhere online. Only the kmobs 'official' CM9 seems to be lost this year.
On Rootzwiki I asked if the following list was up to date. Here it is. Some exist and some are not, but all are Sensation-specific ROMs in development or possible development.
Will we get up to TEN 'unique' Sensation ROMs soon?
1. TripNRaver already has released three betas of his AOSP ROM for Sensation, over at Modaco.
2. HTC Leaked ICS ROM. Lots of tuning and updates of the major 'brands' of Sensation ROMs at XDA Sensation Developers forum, for 4.03 ICS and Sense 4.0 leak.
3. Virtuous Quattro (AOSP) ported to Sensation at XDA Developers forum.
4. MIUI developer petitioned to release a Sensation ICS MIUI (250+ votes for it). 新年快樂 !
5. TripNRaVer previously mentioned he could do an ICS MIUI port once the CM9 Sensation ROM was working.
6. TripNRaVer yesterday released his own CM9 beta ROM for Sensation.
7. Cyanogenmod 9 team (Keyan Mobli aka kmobs, others?) may be still developing the CM9 ROM, unless there has been any announcement otherwise. No recent news in 2012, though.
8. ? Anyone have another ROM for Sensation that's not a variant of or based on one of the above?
9. ?
10. ?

TripNRaver released a beta CM9 over at MoDaCo, fyi.

BiziBB said:
I counted seven flavours of Sensation ICS ROMs discussed and most are available somewhere online.
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There are only four "distinct" ICS ROMs available. Trips CM9 leak, the two Virtuous builds, and MAYBE Android Revolution. Everything else is just a themed version of one of the above.

yup still waiting. most ics AOSP roms arent fully stable.

CM9 for Sensation will be "round 2"

According to the latest CM9 post (released today), the first batch of devices that will get CM9 are Samsung's Exynos powered units. Following that, Qualcomm MSM8660 based devices (such as the Sensation) will get some love. Now, I suspect we will get some CM9 action before the "official" release, but at least we can plan accordingly knowing that the Sensation is not at the top of the development list.
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/progress-on-cm9

To bad :'(
I am happy that sensation made the list, but sad that we will have to wait....
Sent from my HTC Sensation using xda premium

It's not about what "round" we're in, you missed the important part of that blog post...
Android 4.0 contains many internal changes that require updated graphics drivers. Unfortunately, these drivers are almost always closed-source and don’t appear until a device or devkit is released with them. For many devices, our hands are tied... As much as we’d like to stay ahead of the manufacturers, it may be a tie this time.
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We'll get CM9 when we get more drivers from HTC.

zoran89 said:
To bad :'(
I am happy that sensation made the list, but sad that we will have to wait....
Sent from my HTC Sensation using xda premium
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Agreed

HTC fans, though we love HTC phones but this ridiculous of HTC, we as a community must pressure HTC to release those drivers. Please ask Cyanogen Team what do they need.
Twitter @HTCdev @HTC demand them to release or our next phone will be Samsung.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using RCmix7.1 GB2.3.5

I'm pretty tempted by CM9... I have been using ARHD up to now because I preferred Sense to the stock look, but I think I prefer the stock ICS look over what I've seen of Sense 4.0.

Cyanogen works for Samsung now so of course the samsung devices will get first dibs... im pretty certain my next phone will be a samsung phone due to this since i find cyanogenmod to be miles ahead of anything else

Trips version is getting stable!
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE using xda premium

g1user101 said:
Trips version is getting stable!
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE using xda premium
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Very stable. I am using right now and so far none FC or bugs.

norazi said:
Cyanogen works for Samsung now so of course the samsung devices will get first dibs... im pretty certain my next phone will be a samsung phone due to this since i find cyanogenmod to be miles ahead of anything else
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I think it would be more probable to think that since ICS was first released on a samsung phone that it would be easier/faster to get CM9 working on other samsung phones with the same processor..that is more likely to be the reason they are getting it first.

Spr33y said:
It's not about what "round" we're in, you missed the important part of that blog post...
We'll get CM9 when we get more drivers from HTC.
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HTC has already come out and said they will release ICS on the Sensation (this quarter if I recall). That means the drivers will be available, and someone will be able to cobble together 'some sort' of CM9 ROM. However, my point was that the CM team is not planning on immediately releasing an "official" CM9 ROM for the Sensation in the near future.

webmaster said:
HTC has already come out and said they will release ICS on the Sensation (this quarter if I recall). That means the drivers will be available, and someone will be able to cobble together 'some sort' of CM9 ROM. However, my point was that the CM team is not planning on immediately releasing an "official" CM9 ROM for the Sensation in the near future.
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Well the CM team doesn't work on one device at a time. Every device has their own maintainer. I believe that as soon as HTC releases ICS for the Sensation, someone from the CM team will finish CM9 and have it released for our phone.

epsix said:
HTC fans, though we love HTC phones but this ridiculous of HTC, we as a community must pressure HTC to release those drivers. Please ask Cyanogen Team what do they need.
Twitter @HTCdev @HTC demand them to release or our next phone will be Samsung.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using RCmix7.1 GB2.3.5
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How you want them to release drivers from something they haven't officially released?
Sent from my Sensation using Tapatalk

CM9
It's very bed information.
Now I am testing at Sensation ICS [ROM] Android Revolution HD™ 6.2.1 and first day worked excellent. Battery was live more of 1h WIFI+ more of 5h 3G nonstop testing with install, sync and web browsing.
But i need some excelent ROM to my EVO 3D GSM.

BurnRubber90 said:
How you want them to release drivers from something they haven't officially released?
Sent from my Sensation using Tapatalk
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Lol...you're right hehe, I guess theirs so many ICS roms in dev section I thought it's already official's
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using RCmix7.1 GB2.3.5

Spr33y said:
It's not about what "round" we're in, you missed the important part of that blog post...
We'll get CM9 when we get more drivers from HTC.
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And unfortunately this is the year HTC wants to release less phones so we will probably have to wait longer for an ICS HTC device

Spr33y said:
Well the CM team doesn't work on one device at a time. Every device has their own maintainer. I believe that as soon as HTC releases ICS for the Sensation, someone from the CM team will finish CM9 and have it released for our phone.
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Just so everyone knows, CM has still not officially released a "stable" version of CM7 for the Sensation. Right now the only version available is "alpha", and it doesnt look like they are going to continue working on it. Based on that, I suspect it will likely be summer (at the EARLIEST) before we get official CM9 support.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Latest_Version/ROMs

Looks like I'm going to by a Samsung.
Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk

webmaster said:
Just so everyone knows, CM has still not officially released a "stable" version of CM7 for the Sensation. Right now the only version available is "alpha", and it doesnt look like they are going to continue working on it. Based on that, I suspect it will likely be summer (at the EARLIEST) before we get official CM9 support.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Latest_Version/ROMs
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Wow, that's nuts. Oh well, better get used to sense guys.
I wonder when the next google version will come out ?

mrg02d said:
Wow, that's nuts. Oh well, better get used to sense guys.
I wonder when the next google version will come out ?
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Probably not for another 5-6 months, per their usual release schedule.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e

any words on official ics for tmobile mytouch 4g?

Hi sea buddies,
I just have a general question why mytouch 4g is not in the list of ics devices? Desire hd was released on September 2010 and it is confirmed ics where are my touch was on October and global release on November 2010... Both have same processor speed and stuffs... Are we getting ignored of ics??
I do not Wanadoo root? Coz I am a roomy at this.... Please let me know urs valuable comments..
Cheers,
Renga

There has been reports of official ics coming to us, but we won't know until it happens. Feb will have have the ics roms working
If I helped, give thanks, if you please.
........Death before dishonor........
Team inferno
Leader

Yes even I ve seen it on the list of expected ics devices I am not sure how far of a legit news it is... This is a super capable device.. I would love to see ics on this... So all of you mytoouch users demand this on HTC Facebook page ..let the rage begin and get us ics.....
Regards,
Renga

Rengak05 said:
Hi sea buddies,
I just have a general question why mytouch 4g is not in the list of ics devices? Desire hd was released on September 2010 and it is confirmed ics where are my touch was on October and global release on November 2010... Both have same processor speed and stuffs... Are we getting ignored of ics??
I do not Wanadoo root? Coz I am a roomy at this.... Please let me know urs valuable comments..
Cheers,
Renga
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I'm sure you're using a translator, but I still lol-ed at that. Sea buddies?
Not only is the DHD getting ICS, but so is the Thunderbolt which is also essentially identical spec-wise. Because of the MT4G's custom version of Sense, I doubt we'll ever see ICS officially.

@fb that was a typo what i wanted to type was xda.. lolzzz

TeeJay3800 said:
I'm sure you're using a translator, but I still lol-ed at that. Sea buddies?
Not only is the DHD getting ICS, but so is the Thunderbolt which is also essentially identical spec-wise. Because of the MT4G's custom version of Sense, I doubt we'll ever see ICS officially.
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yeah +1
we didn't even get Sense 3.0. doubt we'll be seeing a official Mysense ICS for the Glacier. but of course, we could always port from the doubleshot...
totally agree though, MT4G is wayyyy capable of ICS...

Like I said before. Were not getting ics officially on the mt4g. The reason because the mt4g is a T-Mobile official branded device. Hence the lame mysense that it came with.

I don't think there will be an official ics version for this as it is old now.

How did the desire HD get then.. its a month older than this? :S
on the list here :- http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-update-list-on-android-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrades/
posted by a fellow xda mate.. mytouch 4g is also available on expected ics list.. tmo please make this one count for ics..
Cheers,
Renga

Rengak05 said:
How did the desire HD get then.. its a month older than this? :S
on the list here :- http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-update-list-on-android-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrades/
posted by a fellow xda mate.. mytouch 4g is also available on expected ics list.. tmo please make this one count for ics..
Cheers,
Renga
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Desire HD is a well known device. It once was HTC's flagship. Also, its inteernational, so a lot of people use and love it. It's a popular device... Of tmobile was to give us ICS, it would be pretty hard
Sent from my Infernalized Glacier!
-Team Inferno

coupetastic-droid said:
Like I said before. Were not getting ics officially on the mt4g. The reason because the mt4g is a T-Mobile official branded device. Hence the lame mysense that it came with.
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This... and T-Mobile seems to have shifted away from Sense to LG's POS framework with the myTouch line, so as far as T-Mobile goes, we're pretty much at EOL. Any official update we get would be a treat.
Regardless, HTC plans to officially update the HTC Rhyme, Desire HD, Thunderbolt.. all of those are powered by the MSM8255 chipset with that sexy 7x30 kernel, Adreno 205, and 1GHz Snapgragon CPU. We probably wouldn't have to do much once they all get their updates. Of course though, only greif we should have is camera. Possibly video decoding too.
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Rengak05 said:
How did the desire HD get then.. its a month older than this? :S
on the list here :- http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-update-list-on-android-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrades/
posted by a fellow xda mate.. mytouch 4g is also available on expected ics list.. tmo please make this one count for ics..
Cheers,
Renga
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It's because Desire HD is a flagship device, whereas myTouch 4G is just some random ol' device T-Mobile made after they saw the Desire HD and release that the myTouch 3G Slide wasn't cutting it anymore.

Rengak05 said:
Hi sea buddies,
I just have a general question why mytouch 4g is not in the list of ics devices? Desire hd was released on September 2010 and it is confirmed ics where are my touch was on October and global release on November 2010... Both have same processor speed and stuffs... Are we getting ignored of ics??
I do not Wanadoo root? Coz I am a roomy at this.... Please let me know urs valuable comments..
Cheers,
Renga
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I am not trying to be a jerk, but an official ICS rom would be nice as all the others especially for this phone are extremely buggy, and in my opinion unusable at this time. There are too many bugs, crashes, slowdowns and things that plainly don't work (like you know the basic function of calling people and people actually hearing you, or it actually working.)
I am sorry if this sounds pissy but I am just sick of these ROM's not working, and having to constantly wipe and re flash my phone over and over again, and trying out different ROMs. Finally finding one that works, I am just going to stick with MIUI until ICS officially works correctly and is basically bug free. it's just not worth to upgrade for it flashiness.
I know the DEV's on these boards try hard, DON'T GET ME WRONG. I have been on here since the Android G1 came out, and remember MANUALLY rooting that thing from the telnetD command. It's not that I don't have patience, but at this point with all the work DEV's do on phones now I can't understand how so many ROM's are still really buggy, and get constantly broken in an update, please release working firmware.
I understand that ultimately the DEV's are not responsible for us flashing with unofficial firmware, but you are still releasing YOUR firmware to the public for people to use, to get recognition. This is a catch-22 scenario, where yes your are not responsible, but almost expect people to use your firmware for either recognition or donations. I can't decide who to donate to anymore either, there are just too many DEV's working on too many things at once, stick to ONE ROM. Not five at a time. It's not realistic.
I think at this point, instead of every DEV working individually on there own ROM's, I think every DEV should just combine brain power and make the ultimate ICS ROM. At this rate, a stable ICS ROM will not be out for months. The source code was released in November, and it is now February, and the same bugs in ICS (camera not working), are still here.
It's not only that, constantly re doing my APPS gets really annoying. I am not paying for Titanium Backup, when I am downloading FREE firmware. Every firmware at this point, like MIUI, should have a BACKUP and RESTORE option built in for APPS, so when you do this over and over again, you don't have to pay for Titanium Backup, or re download your APPs, configure your WIFI, set your CPU, redo your menu options, redo your desktop, redo your shortcuts, your widgets, your background etc. etc. etc. over and over again.
I understand this is a different framework, but seriously now. Please stop releasing almost unusable firmware. I am kind of sick of being a beta tester, I do not mind reporting bugs. But at this rate I will destroy my NAND on my phone from wiping and flashing so much. Which CAN happen, and eventually will happen. If you seriously want me to be a beta tester for your firmware, give me a secondary pone and I will be happy to constantly flash and reflash the phone over and over again to test this.
I am sorry if this sounds *****y, but it just starting to get on my nerves. I mean it comes to a point, is this phone even worth it? I can see DEV's are mainly focusing on the newer phones, I do not blame them. But at this point if you want to release your work and have people see how good you are at what you do, ask people to be a beta tester and send them a testing phone so they don't have to risk destroying there phone.
Please forgive me I don't want this to be perceived as trolling but, I have to get this out before I get this out more immaturely somewhere else. I am trying to explain and get things out as professionally as I can.
Thanks
Nafé

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I am kind of sick of being a beta tester, I do not mind reporting bugs. But at this rate I will destroy my NAND on my phone from wiping and flashing so much. Which CAN happen, and eventually will happen. If you seriously want me to be a beta tester for your firmware, give me a secondary pone and I will be happy to constantly flash and reflash the phone over and over again to test this.
I am sorry if this sounds *****y, but it just starting to get on my nerves. I mean it comes to a point, is this phone even worth it? I can see DEV's are mainly focusing on the newer phones, I do not blame them. But at this point if you want to release your work and have people see how good you are at what you do, ask people to be a beta tester and send them a testing phone so they don't have to risk destroying there phone.
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Thanks
Nafé
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I appreciate your frustration and impatience for a fully functional ICS ROM. I'm sure most of us (including the dev) are in this boat. I do take exception to you complaining about being a beta tester. This is your choice. The dev has not misled you in any way as to the code quality:
[ROM/WIP][AOSP] CynogenMod 9.0.0 Alpha [ICS][4.0.3][02.14.2012]
[ROM][ICS][Beta][2.2.3] MIUI V4 || Unofficial Port for MT4G [UPDATED 02.07.2012]
[ROM/WIP][02-14-2012][AOSP] Virtuous Quattro Beta r1 [ICS][4.0.3]
[ROM][ICS][AOSP][Beta 7.1] .: :: Creamed Glacier :: :. [UPDATED 02.07.2012]
It sounds like you are not a good candidate for being an alpha/beta tester and you may want to hold off until you see "Alpha","Beta", or "WIP" (work in progress) disappear from the ROM titles.

AO[S|K]P ROM development life cycle question

Hi Guys,
I'm very new to this scene and have already started experimenting with ROMS (running Leedroid at the moment). I've just had a quick play with Coldblooded CM10 and love it but I'm intrigued about the current 'broken list'.
Is this just the way it goes with ROM Development on a new device that it goes through multiple iterations until the dev engineers a fix to all the issues? Does it make any difference when HTC for example eventually release the kernel source (which I assume they will once the official JB release comes out). I'm guessing stuff like the headphone issue/in-call echo will be 'fixed' in the official release from HTC so could be implemented in existing ROMs?
Hope that makes sense and I haven't just broken a load of noob xda rules....
Thanks

basically a rom is never really finished.
theres always something to be ironed out or a bug that needs to be squashed. or sometimes its just enhancements,
but yea like you said until htc releases the source then stuff wont be 100%

Even when they do release the sources, there's still lots of things that potentially might not work.
Like take for example CM9 (ICS based) - although there are kernel sources out already for HTC's ICS, a bunch of things are not yet working. You can blame that on closed-source drivers, like wifi or camera, etc.
So it might take a while for everything to work properly, but as long as we have dedicated developers like xkonni, intervigil, etc, there's nothing to be worried about.
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Nice thanks guys that makes sense. I just assumed that things like drivers could be poached and reused but I guess a lit of that is part of the sense framework.
I look forward to seeing what happens
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dillinga said:
Hi Guys,
I'm very new to this scene and have already started experimenting with ROMS (running Leedroid at the moment). I've just had a quick play with Coldblooded CM10 and love it but I'm intrigued about the current 'broken list'.
Is this just the way it goes with ROM Development on a new device that it goes through multiple iterations until the dev engineers a fix to all the issues? Does it make any difference when HTC for example eventually release the kernel source (which I assume they will once the official JB release comes out). I'm guessing stuff like the headphone issue/in-call echo will be 'fixed' in the official release from HTC so could be implemented in existing ROMs?
Hope that makes sense and I haven't just broken a load of noob xda rules....
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No worries man this was a very legit question.

Stable ICS/JB ROMs?

Hey.
I've been on jb roms since they came out for desire s and have been using ics before that. However... ics roms have been in beta stage since ever and have not really advanced in terms of having stable or even working main functions. Well this is because of the fact that our devs did not have kernel sources. There have been words that kernel source release would solve all our major issues like front cam and others. But kernel source has been released and I'm seeing a decline in our forum's traffic and in development. I know i's partly due to many original members leaving. But I also hear that devs are facing difficulty in making the kernel. So I want to ask, will we ever have fully stable ics or jb roms or is this not a possibility?
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Sorry for the tone, but this is a pretty pointless thread (IMO) there are already several others in a similar vein that exist and as we don't have a time machine and can't see into the future....although speculation appears to what the majority of threads contains these days....
This is now unfortunately an old device and as you rightly pointed out lots of the forums previous users have moved on to bigger and better new devices so the forum traffic was always bound to fall. We still have several devs that are developing for this device so don't do them a dis-service by suggesting that no progress has been made. Just look at the CM, AKOP and JB source build threads for examples.....
Since the release of the kernel source - progress has certainly been made, just look at the tweaked kernel we can now use, in which we are now able to UV & OC not to mention that the wifi tether issues are now resolved... everything takes time, so be patient....or learn to code yourself and help out!

ben_pyett said:
Sorry for the tone, but this is a pretty pointless thread (IMO) there are already several others in a similar vein that exist and as we don't have a time machine and can't see into the future....although speculation appears to what the majority of threads contains these days....
This is now unfortunately an old device and as you rightly pointed out lots of the forums previous users have moved on to bigger and better new devices so the forum traffic was always bound to fall. We still have several devs that are developing for this device so don't do them a dis-service by suggesting that no progress has been made. Just look at the CM and AKOP threads for examples.....
Since the release of the kernel source - progress has certainly been made, just look at the tweaked kernel we can now use, in which we are now able to UV & OC not to mention that the wifi tether issues are now resolved... everything takes time, so be patient....or learn to code yourself and help out!
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I fully understand the devs' hard work and their dedications. That's not what this thread is asking. It seems to many devs that they are still having a hard time adjusting ics and jb to our device even upon kernel source release. Despite the prior speculation that things would be much easier with kernel source. So I was bringing the problem forth to see if it is possible for us to have stable ics or jb roms. No need to be all defensive. Just want an objective discussion
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custom roms are rearly FULLY stable. there is always a little bug here and there. but since the release of the official ICS and the latest kernel source ICS roms are getting mature at last. and if you're still not satisfied, wait a month more. or flash the official ICS and have a really stable rom now.
JB is another story. there is no native kernel source for it and i doubt there will ever be.

I totally see where you are both coming from. The kernel source was released over a fortnight ago.
I agree with Ben, in respect we should appreciate what the current devs have given us etc etc,
But I also agree with skim, I am quite surprised that with the kernel source released, AOSP still hasn't got a functional kernel based on our Saga build. (Andromadus is using a kernel port)
I was hoping for at least ICS AOSP to be working by now, but I guess that is not the case
The forums have certainly gone a lot quieter now, and I suspect by the end of the year, even more of us will leave
But back to the original point, I wish that things could pick up like they were this time last year, but sadly that will never happen.
I have no intentions of insulting any devs, I truly appreciate the work they have provided us, and I haven't contributed anything particularly useful, so I am in no position to do so, but this is just how I feel.
When I look through forums like the S2, I envy the development... even after a year, ROMs are still on full scale, with so many choices to choose from...
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Unfortunately Oly I don't think that you can compare the DS to the SGS2. We unfortunately were never a main stream device (like the SGS2), we sadly missed the boat, with the Sensation coming out shortly after our release, I reckon that the focus went from DHD to Sensation and the limelight never really shone on us long enough to get a main stream following.
The Samsung onslaught appears to unbeatable currently sadly even the One series hasn't really made a dent.

We must all accept the inevitable that our device (Desire S) is by fact outdated with the phase of how fast mobile technology comes. That said, sooner or later, our thread will surely die.
It is with great appreciation that our devs are prolonging the inevitable. Most will surely be having new devices comes these coming months. I too will be leaving the scene as a new device is surely coming at hand in two months time.
Everything in our life changes. One must be oblige to flow with it. If not, one will be left alone and at lost.
P.S.
For an answer for the OP. THERE WILL BE a stable JB/ICS ROM as long as a dev will be willing to still work on it. If not, then THERE WILL BE NOT.
Long answer short: we will never know unless there will be one.
Moral of this post: learn to accept the truth that you have to move on to a new device if you really want to have a stable up-to-date ROM, even past JB.
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Well, that was philosophical!
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Skanob said:
We must all accept the inevitable that our device (Desire S) is by fact outdated with the phase of how fast mobile technology comes. That said, sooner or later, our thread will surely die.
It is with great appreciation that our devs are prolonging the inevitable. Most will surely be having new devices comes these coming months. I too will be leaving the scene as a new device is surely coming at hand in two months time.
Everything in our life changes. One must be oblige to flow with it. If not, one will be left alone and at lost.
P.S.
For an answer for the OP. THERE WILL BE a stable JB/ICS ROM as long as a dev will be willing to still work on it. If not, then THERE WILL BE NOT.
Long answer short: we will never know unless there will be one.
Moral of this post: learn to accept the truth that you have to move on to a new device if you really want to have a stable up-to-date ROM, even past JB.
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Haha I don't know about you man... but I'm a student and learning to move on to a new device is not as easy as it sounds. I'm stuck with a contract until next April. So ill be sticking around here till then xD
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I think custom roms have advantages, but it's not easy for the devs to make them perfect.
If i compare the stock ROM of x10mini/pro with custom cm6/7 ROM, the stock ROM sucks...

SteveO_ said:
I think custom roms have advantages, but it's not easy for the devs to make them perfect.
If i compare the stock ROM of x10mini/pro with custom cm6/7 ROM, the stock ROM sucks...
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htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.

anazhd said:
htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
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At the moment i'm using stock rom (sense) too, cause my prefered custom rom has still a problem with battery drain...
As soon this is fixed, i'll go to ICS DS again...
But at all, the ICS stock rom is working very nice...

Fallout v4.4.0 is pretty stable to me, been using since a while now.

Tonight i'll try Fallout 5.0, let's see how it is... :highfive:

MIUI 2.8.x or 2.9.x
I recently flashed MIUI 2.8.17 and its been a joyful ride! It is very very stable. I had to reboot only once so far and that is an intermittent bug. BT/WiFi/Tethering/Camera etc. etc. everything works! (hard to find that in an ICS ROM)! Its my daily ROM now.. :good:

Fallout 5.0
I got myself S-off and rooted 2 days ago.
The first custom rom Ive tried is Fallout 5.0. Only one day into my test and it's very stable and fast compared to stock gingerbread.
I'm very pleased with it so far :good:

anazhd said:
htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
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My Gingerbread stock rom experience made me root my phone. I kept getting the white screen with the green HTC logo and no matter what I did it always came back. I have now tried out about 5 or 6 custom roms and this issue no longer appears. Of course there are other issues, some of which are serious. But there are ROMs which are in general more than good enough for day to day usage. I currently use ICE-DSv5 but for example Fallout v4.4 is stable (v5 is not stable for me but it is for a lot of people).
If you are interested you can look at my other thread here called "My First Rooted Phone" for an overview of my experiences so far.

Blindbean and Codename are great JB roms, not fully stable, but good to work with.

Yes. I flash every recent roms so I know how they are. I started this thread to get an idea of if it is possible to have a stable rom. The devs have been struggling with major bugs since early this year and we're still stuck with the same bugs we had prior to the release of the kernel sources. I do know it is a difficult process. But wanted an answer from a dev. Is it possible for us to have working front cam, proper video playback, etc. ? This isn't complaining btw just wanted an answer other than "be patient. Be thankful. It's good enough"
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if you want stable flash rooted stock. it has everything you mentioned. combine it with tweaked kernel and you have even more...