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I have the G2x right now and I keep considering the Sensation. The only thing that is stopping me is that the bootloader may be hard to crack. The devs have yet to do it for several devices and this may be the next. Will this stop you or are you still buying?
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Still buying it, too tempting not to
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I rerurned my g2x just for the sensation.
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Was definitely a deal breaker for me with atrix, but sense I can live with until its hacked. Blur and touchwiz I cannot, so no, I'm still getting it
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From what HTC leaks said, it will have a level of security like thunderbolt or incredible S.
If it's like thunderbolt it will be very easy to unlock, if it's like IS given the actual R&D of the devs...it ''may'' be unlocked once released if the IS method is working.
So it doesn't look like an impossible mission for our good devs
All the N1,Desire and DHD devs will work on it, very few are going towar the SGS2
Yes. It IS a deal-breaker for me. It was the only reason I didn't get the Incredible S two months ago.
So far it looks like the only way to unlock the Incredible S is with an XTC Clip and the last time I looked it was only working for some models.
Bin4ry may have made some headway on this but the last post I see from him with any new information on the matter was on the 26th of April when he said, "I said that i made progress YES, but i have not achieved anything."
TBH I've been having a terrible Android experience so far. Being on the Motorola Milestone, I still don' tknow what it's like to be on a fully free device... not to mention the 256mb RAM really CRIPPLES the entire experience of this phone.
So while the specs on these new phones are nice, I think I'd be getting a screwed up vision of Android once again if these phones never get unlocked. Somehow I had hoped Moto's bootloader would get cracked. Boy was I wrong.
The question is : why getting the risk ? there is plenty of unlocked bootloaders devices out there from LG and SE and even some better spec'd like the SGS2. LG and SE aren't very supported by devs but HTC and Samsung are the best supported one, so if a free bootloader is important for you and you don't even want to worry about dev support take an unlocked one
But for me it is not a dealbreaker as I'm getting both (SGS2 and Sensation), but for someone that will only pick one of the two you might have to think twice..
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The question is : why getting the risk ? there is plenty of unlocked bootloaders devices out there from LG and SE and even some better spec'd like the SGS2. LG and SE aren't very supported by devs but HTC and Samsung are the best supported one, so if a free bootloader is important for you and you don't even want to worry about dev support take an unlocked one
But for me it is not a dealbreaker as I'm getting both (SGS2 and Sensation), but for someone that will only pick one of the two you might have to think twice..
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Or stick with the G2X.
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Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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I didnt hear that with the mytouch and I had it since launch. Just heard it mainly with the atrix.
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Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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Yeah it's a huge deal breaker to me Can't have another failure like the milestone :/
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Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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MyTouch4G and G2 bootloader was lock. Dude don't worry.. if you have doubts just buy what you like Samsung S II or LG
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Yeah it's a huge deal breaker to me Can't have another failure like the milestone :/
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How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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Still the kernel can't be changed. Keep in mind that a stable 2.2 rom wasn't possible until motorola released beta's of that rom. This due to the fact that the 2.2 rom didn't really want to work with the 2.1 kernel. Motorola isn't really great at writing kernels either.
I already know the next android version will probably won't work.
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How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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HTC have their bootloader sign is different from Motorola bootloader sign with encryption is two different things htc don't use encryption moto does.
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So it will be rootable and we can block ads, use apps requiring root, etc, just not load different ROMs?
Not overly concerned about custom Roms, but definitely want to be able to run some apps that require root.
If I am understanding this correctly my G2x is going back tonight.
I'm completely content to run a stock ROM if it's stable. I've never had occasion to root or put an alternative ROM on my Nexus One and all of my experiences with the HD2, G1, and Viewsonic G-Tablet ROMs have been mixed, Cyanogen or otherwise.
Definitely not a deal breaker.
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HTC have their bootloader sign is different from Motorola bootloader sign with encryption is two different things htc don't use encryption moto does.
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Hmm I did understand that the latest update of the wildfire made it impossible to flash custom firmware. Hope it doesn't go that way.
What is the point of this?
The idea of this is to convince htc to unlock the bootloaders and disable the NAND protection on their phones
Why should I support this?
Unlocking the bootloader and disabling the NAND protection will allow users to keep their phones up to date using custom roms such as CM7. Take the htc wildfire for example. In december 2010, HTC released a 2.2 update for the wildfire. However, hidden in this update was a new bootloader which could not (and still can not as of the 15th may 2011) be modified. It is unlikely that HTC will release another update for this phone, meaning that users are going to be stuck on this rom. The reason? So HTC can sell new phones. However what this is doing is putting users off buying HTC's devices since rival companies have announced that the users can easily unlock the bootloaders on their devices.
To support the campaign please sign the petition at http://goo.gl/uIeqv and you can like us on facebook at http://goo.gl/e1CqN and you can see updates on my blog at http://goo.gl/KdpFr
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I've just sign it every bit help the cause.
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we need way more attention to this topic...after 1.5 years with the motorola milestone I was waiting for a awesome htc device...although the sensation is inferior to the samsung galaxy s2, I would go for it..I would totally turn a blind eye on the fact that it has less ram, ridiculouse internal storage and its thickness..my only true concern was the bootloader..after the milestone I would never ever go for a device with a signed bootloader again..I would totally pass on guarantee just to have an open bootloader..
If I may interject. The point of a locked bootloader is not to sell more devices, it is to protect the intellectual property contained on said locked device from being dumped, IE full versions of otherwise payed programs that the OEM includes in their ROM(Swype etc.). If users are able to simply dump an image that contains these programs, they can then redistribute them as they see fit. Do not misread me, I am for unlocked bootloaders 100% and have used HTC devices for almost 5 years now. I just wanted to add my opinion that its not about you buying another device for an update, its about manufactures trying to protect themselves.
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I support!
Here goes my support
+1 support
But the dump still leaks out in the form of a ruu
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If you havent already please share
On another note its great to see that there are 133 new sigs overnight
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If you havent already please share
On another note its great to see that there are 133 new sigs overnight
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I signed and shared the information.
Good
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We got 2k sigs!!!!! And it is now a featured groubal http://www.groubal.com/
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We got 2k sigs!!!!! And it is now a featured groubal http://www.groubal.com/
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That's roughly €1000000/£877000/$1423000 in sold phones(when price in € is 500,which is lower than atleast here in Finland). That kind of money should have some effect?
Signed and shared
just signed.
3000+ nice
So, at what point does this get submitted to HTC??
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Football is on a roll lately releasing Sensation ruu, so far we have 8 ruu already in development section not including Asia ruu that would be 9 updates. It's getting very interesting indeed.
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Football is on a roll lately releasing Sensation ruu, so far we have 8 ruu already in development section not including Asia ruu that would be 9 updates. It's getting very interesting indeed.
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But sadly, none of these currently have an ENG H-BOOT (as far as we know )
We need that.
Many sensation owners do not believe that S-off wil be coming by HTC. too all you disbelievers out there, i attach proof. Just spoke to a customer advisor right now. this is what i was told. i thought i would make a new thread as all the other threads get clogged up with off topic clutter, so please keep this topic related, and update it if we receive any more info on bootloaders. There is hope out there
Naturally i pencilled in my device number
I hope this is true, I mean it shouldn't be hard for them HTC to unlock their own bootloaders! Look at Motorola they did it. Hopefully it will be soon! Before fall I am keeping my fingers crossed!
i hope we will have the S-OFF in a few days ....
i cant live much more with s-on
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i hope we will have the S-OFF in a few days ....
i cant live much more with s-on
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well i guess if it's real will take a couple of weeks
Of course no comments on the date....sigh at HTC.
I know. And of course its true. The ref number erased. Is my sensation. They are just repairing fuzzy earpiece.
But i asked him for an update on the bootloaders, if they would unlock mine and date. Those were his replies
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I hope this is true, I mean it shouldn't be hard for them HTC to unlock their own bootloaders! Look at Motorola they did it. Hopefully it will be soon! Before fall I am keeping my fingers crossed!
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+1 for that, why we don't have the same unlocking process like Sony ??
I'm not really fussed with S-OFF as the internal memory is the only reason I rooted my Desire BUT it would be nice to remove the apps I don't use just to tidy things up a bit. That and put the stock boot animations on
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I'm not really fussed with S-OFF as the internal memory is the only reason I rooted my Desire BUT it would be nice to remove the apps I don't use just to tidy things up a bit. That and put the stock boot animations on
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I'd like to see CM7 on mine, much preferred CM7 + launcher Pro on my Desire to Stock HTC Sense on my Sensation.
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+1 for that, why we don't have the same unlocking process like Sony ??
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Htc probably wanna cover.their back from noobs who brick their devices
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Htc probably wanna cover.their back from noobs who brick their devices
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If your a noob and you brick your device, you should be required to pay a fee for them to unbrick it. That should only be fair.
i think the noob will not unlock the bootloader, my oncle have a Desire and he don't know nothing about bootloader and flash, i do that for him....
That chat box doesn't say anything that hasn't already been said. It's just worded different. A waste of a thread that will do nothing but get peoples hopes up.
Nothing more than we already know. BTW, the earpiece will likely come back sounding the same.
I'm new to android.
Can someone clear this out for me:
* S-OFF means Bootloader unlocked?
* I'm asuming HTC will make an update for all devices which automatically unlocks the bootloader of any sensation? Or will the bootloader only be unlocked with the new devices?
call me hater, i don't trust HTC, hope they will prove that I'm wrong
Another coming soon promise.
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Another coming soon promise.
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Well I hope they hurry up. Would like it soon
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Another coming soon promise.
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True. Well I hope they hurry up. Can't wait for it
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you are not alone, i think many people wont that s-off, and it's not the question that we all not patient, but we don't trust HTC no more !!!!
I want opinions on the HTC inspire I want to know if it's a good phone to upgrade
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4 months now it's a great phone, I have no regrets
thou I think that the inspire is a good phone, I think with all the new dual core phones that are being released I would not waste an upgrade on this particular phone. I do like this HTC Inspire but still is old tech.
Really? Another opinion thread on the Inspire? How many do we need this week? This is not the section to ask questions also. Can we please clean this forum up starting with threads like this first?
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Really? Another opinion thread on the Inspire? How many do we need this week? This is not the section to ask questions also. Can we please clean this forum up starting with threads like this first?
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Wow really it is too bad that it bothers you so much this is the General section I do believe and since it is "General Discussion about the AT&T HTC Inspire 4G (general chat, tips & tricks, etc)
Guess this is the right place for it.
Yes the threads will be getting cleaned up. This weekend most likely if I can find the time. As for opinion threads if there is more then one thread on the same subject they will be combined. We have a off topic thread for things like this.
Happy to have you back up there zelendel despite pushing your buttons before.
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I want opinions on the HTC inspire I want to know if it's a good phone to upgrade
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I changed from an iPhone 3gs, and this inspire is 20x better...
No regrets here.
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It depends on what you are coming from 1st.
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It depends on what you are coming from 1st.
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his signature indicates samsung captivate
Compared the the Craptivate this phone is one hell of an upgrade. However as stated before, wait for the HTC Holiday/Inspire HD.
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Compared the the Craptivate this phone is one hell of an upgrade. However as stated before, wait for the HTC Holiday/Inspire HD.
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I agree... If I had an upgrade pending, I would wait for the Holiday... That phone looks awesome
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I have an Atrix and still prefer the inspire
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I have an Atrix and still prefer the inspire
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this.
i have gone back to using the atrix as my daily for now, because it finally has CM7 on it. but only because i want to work on my rom on the inspire
The Atrix was a nice phone I just think the inspire looks better and is easier to root/flash
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I want the Atrix just because I'm always wanting something other than what I have. The inspire is the best phone I've ever owned though.
Whoever says this phone is "old tech"...what do you want this phone to do that it cant? LOL
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I want the Atrix just because I'm always wanting something other than what I have. The inspire is the best phone I've ever owned though.
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meh....its not so green on the other side.
my atrix is once again collecting dust. i had fun on CM7 for a few days, now its back to using my inspire
What I think is funny is the people going ape over the Droid Bionic, isn't that phone just the LTE Atrix?
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What I think is funny is the people going ape over the Droid Bionic, isn't that phone just the LTE Atrix?
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basically....yeah
specs arent quite as good, but it doesnt have AT&T's crapass network dragging it down
So, I really, really don't want to come back to HTC while AT&T has them bent over. However I did tell everyone I was going to make a rom for this device. If jcase gets it unlocked tomorrow I will be a bit more inclined to do it. The thought of playing the Apple cat and mouse game with an android device isn't very appealing to me at all!
So I leave this up to you! Should I make a rom for the AT&T One X? (added a poll)
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So, I really, really don't want to come back to HTC while AT&T has them bent over. However I did tell everyone I was going to make a rom for this device. If jcase gets it unlocked tomorrow I will be a bit more inclined to do it. The thought of playing the Apple cat and mouse game with an android device isn't very appealing to me at all!
So I leave this up to you! Should I make a rom for the AT&T One X? (added a poll)
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Yes DG, PLEASE>>>>
With the root method out now and the possibility of Jcase getting the bootloader unlocked, i'll have to say YES!!!
I say yes. There's always room for ROMs when there's nothing yet out there.
I love your work DG. We would love to see a rom from you. The bootloader issue will pass soon one way or another.
This is a beautiful device with beautiful internals. All we need is a sexy rom to top it off
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DG I'll allow it...
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DG I'll allow it...
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Holy crap! WARRI, where have you been?!
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Holy crap! WARRI, where have you been?!
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Hiding under a rock with my captivate... But now I have emerged with a one X.... Also I ve been busy with work and buying a house... But I should be all settled mibus the moving.
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For the love of god please make one!
Yea dg I'm over hear to
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Holy crap! WARRI, where have you been?!
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He's been in the Riverlands kicking some Lanister ass.
The King in the North! The King in the North!
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He's been in the Riverlands kicking some Lanister ass.
The King in the North! The King in the North!
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Warri of house Stark, King in the north, first of his name.
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Hell yes DG my vote is for a rom .
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Not sure who in their right mind would vote "no." (as of now, nobody has) I rocked your roms exclusively on my Captivate until you left that dev community, and can't wait to see what you can do with this piece of kit.
The greatest man on earth...thanks so much for those i777 leaks! Can't wait to see what things will be like if you're working on ROMs here.
Stay!
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So, I really, really don't want to come back to HTC while AT&T has them bent over. However I did tell everyone I was going to make a rom for this device. If jcase gets it unlocked tomorrow I will be a bit more inclined to do it. The thought of playing the Apple cat and mouse game with an android device isn't very appealing to me at all!
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DG! I've been using your roms since early Captivate days and got excited to see you here in at&t One X forums. Please do stay here! We all are looking forward to see your awesome roms on our One X.
Poll results are pretty convincing.
Please make one.
I'm still very thankful for those I-777 leaks.
Honestly dude I still remember your work from my captivate days amd I've had San infuse for months. You made some awesome roms
I'm saying at least wait till the end of the
Return policy to jump ship.
Cuz once we have it rooted and unlocked therewill be no cat and mouse
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Now DG, you made my Captivate sung to the heavens, and you going to abandon the HOX,..... Please bless us
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Sure, why not?
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