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How hard will it be to Make Desire Stock?

I'm an AT&T subscriber and i've been waiting on the Nexus one or compatible device.
I really don't know which is better between the nexus and the desire, but I know I do like the Physical buttons and the optical trackpad on the desire. I'm just not sure I want the Sense UI over Android.
Does the Sense UI still allow animated backgrounds and have all the features that vanilla Android has?
My main concern is the fact that it seems to take manufacturers with UI over Android a while to upgrade to the latest Version of Android.
So what do you guys think the best choice will be? And how hard will it be to remove Sense off the Desire and make it Vanilla Anroid? Will it then get the OTA updates just like the NExus One?

elijahblake said:
I'm an AT&T subscriber and i've been waiting on the Nexus one or compatible device.
I really don't know which is better between the nexus and the desire, but I know I do like the Physical buttons and the optical trackpad on the desire. I'm just not sure I want the Sense UI over Android.
Does the Sense UI still allow animated backgrounds and have all the features that vanilla Android has?
My main concern is the fact that it seems to take manufacturers with UI over Android a while to upgrade to the latest Version of Android.
So what do you guys think the best choice will be? And how hard will it be to remove Sense off the Desire and make it Vanilla Anroid? Will it then get the OTA updates just like the NExus One?
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Yes someone can make a stock android 2.1 rom for the desire. HTC SENSE UI has everything that stock android has except (correct me if I'm wrong) the new launcher.
In every htc sense device you can just turn off sense and just use stock android so no problem there.
The device won't get major updates from google (like OS upgrades) but it might get minor updates (like 3G fixes, bug fixes, newer flash)
Just so that you know Sense UI is android except with a skin, like sense on the hd2.
I would get the Desire (you get both stock and sense ui, the desire has more RAM then the nexus one, the desire looks much better and sleeker.)

Agreed. Couple points:
1. I own a Nexus. It's very good. I'm a WinMo guy and it was good enough to convert me to a phone with no keyboard.
2. I'ld get the desire. Its almost like a 2nd gen N1. Takes away most common faults: bad network coverage, problems with capacitive buttons, vanilla interface.
3. Furthermore, Sense is great. Coming from an HTC WinMo phone I reeeaeaally missed Sense. Android clocks look cheesy while sense looks classy. There is now a dedicated phone button on the screen. My number one complaint was I hate the way iphones find contacts to call them. It's like 4 clicks and a ton of scrolling. Android is like that. But with Sense on, Sense dialer is a smart dialer. Just start typing their name on dialpad (dad = 323) and it quickly finds the number.
4. Although sense can be turned off, its not "just" a launcher. Its also a dialer, a contact app, an entire new homescreen with 7 screens and specialized htc widgets preprogrammed into them, with saveable custom homescreens called "scenes." New weather app, new app drawer with no 3d effects. Also, Sense ("Rosie") is said by Rom chiefs to be built deep into the "framework" of Android, which is why they sadly havent just ported the apps to stock yet.

thanks guys, Looks like the Desire is the best choice then... Now I just hope that it really comes to AT&T. And SOON!!!

i wonder if at&t will screw up the desire like they did with the backflop?

Brickflop, you mean. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Desire gets the same treatment.

HTC Preparing Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich with Sense 3.5

Dec 20 2011 02:00 PM | Paul in - Android News
Have you been wondering what HTC plan to do with Ice Cream Sandwich on their devices?
Well, wonder no more as one of our internal sources at HTC has managed to lay his hands on their very first internally distributed test build of Google's latest and greatest. Built on Android 4.0.1 (the build is a month old, and it will become 4.0.3 by the time it hits public release), the first test releases are intended for the HTC Sensation / Sensation XE and sport the 3.0x version tag. The usual HTC customisations are present including HTC Sense 3.5, so don't expect any massive visual changes for Ice Cream Sandwich. As you would expect, ICS has been slightly sliced and dice to give the HTC experience - Facelock is present but the new keyboard is replaced by an updated HTC IME etc.
We hope to have some ICS on Sensation screenshots very soon... watch this space!
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Why sense 3.5 that it sucks!?!?!?!

We need leak .-)
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How different can the ice cream sandwich be for the users, if it comes with the exact same sense UI as the gingerbread?
An increased build number in the settings? not worth waiting for IMO
I want an untouched Ice cream sandwich

Sense 3,5? That sucks. What will happen with devices that already have 3,5? Do they just keep it?

Give them some time, either w8 2 month for sense 4.0 with Ginger or 2 month for sense 3.5 with Ice creame
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using Tapatalk

I dont understand why HTC would want to ruin what from all ive read is by far the best and most professional version of Android yet by adding bloody sense on top again

all HTC needs to do is add Sense widgets to stock ICS and call it a day.
That would be perfect... but HTC won't...
they better not mess it up and make it lag.

I understand they have to add sense on to it as one of their biggest USPs. I dont really see the point of adding 3.5 though other than getting a phone out running ICS. I certainly wont be flashing anything ICS + Sense 3.5, id rather wait for a pure build like CM9, or wait until/if they sort out sense 4.

Sense 3.5 is really good and way better than Sense 3.0 and probably with ICS it'll get better with hw acceleration and remember the post talks about initial rom, probably public release will have Sense 4.0

HTC and all the others are going to add their gimmick with out a doubt. Why would they not? Thats THEIR calling card afterall.
The question is, can WE remove it? I used TB to freeze Sense on my phone and replaced Sense with ADW EX. Now the question is, can I freeze Sense and let ICS come out to play, or is ICS launcher gone at this point?
Matt

mrg02d said:
HTC and all the others are going to add their gimmick with out a doubt. Why would they not? Thats THEIR calling card afterall.
The question is, can WE remove it? I used TB to freeze Sense on my phone and replaced Sense with ADW EX. Now the question is, can I freeze Sense and let ICS come out to play, or is ICS launcher gone at this point?
Matt
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Im wondering the same thing ... im fine with it as long as i can remove sense cu then ill have a stable ics base

mrg02d said:
HTC and all the others are going to add their gimmick with out a doubt. Why would they not? Thats THEIR calling card afterall.
The question is, can WE remove it? I used TB to freeze Sense on my phone and replaced Sense with ADW EX. Now the question is, can I freeze Sense and let ICS come out to play, or is ICS launcher gone at this point?
Matt
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I don't think you can count on that. HTC removes stuff from original ICS, and then ads sense into it. So I don't think you will run a stable version of ICS without sense.

TheStigx said:
I don't think you can count on that. HTC removes stuff from original ICS, and then ads sense into it. So I don't think you will run a stable version of ICS without sense.
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That sucks. How much of a chump will I feel for freezing Sense, then adding ADW EX, and then finally having to run an ICS theme? Sheesh.
Well, Im sure that once HTC has released it CM9 wont be far behind for the Sensation. I could live with ADW EX until CM9 comes out.
Matt

Why did anyone think for one second Sense would not be in this release? EVERY HTC device has Sense as it's the selling point. Don't like it, get a different handset - it's a simple solution.
Have to say, though, Android 4 is awesome

Everyone sais ics looks good and stuff and yer most of it does but am I the only one who thinks any vanilla Android launcher looks so boring? And the widgets sucks. I love sense, however I'd like 4.0 just for something new
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio

Honestly, we guys are looking at the bad site of what HTC could do. Who knows? It might be even better than the stock ICS...

Haven't you guys seen the leaked build of ICS with Touchwiz for the Galaxy S2 phones? It's still the same thing as it is currently. Same thing with Sense, it'll be the same exact thing, we won't even get the new battery/wifi/signal icons that come with ICS.
I still wouldn't mind it though, I love Sense, some hate it. And plus with hardware acceleration, hopefully it'd be quicker.

xdviper said:
Haven't you guys seen the leaked build of ICS with Touchwiz for the Galaxy S2 phones? It's still the same thing as it is currently. Same thing with Sense, it'll be the same exact thing, we won't even get the new battery/wifi/signal icons that come with ICS.
I still wouldn't mind it though, I love Sense, some hate it. And plus with hardware acceleration, hopefully it'd be quicker.
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We wont get those icons? -.-'' x2
If they put sense 3,5 in it, and it removes some stuff, then there is no actual point of giving us 4.0

Opinion on Sense 3.5/3.6 on top of ICS

Greetings to all developers and super users, I'm just eager to know what are your opinions on the latest SenseUI on top of ICS.
In my opinion, the Sense 3.5 is just not made for ICS at all. It's just an emergency move made by HTC team to release Sense for ICS. This is due to other platforms which quickly developed their patch ICS upgrade for their devices. I't just an 'emergency landing' for HTC.
In Sense 3.6 they've fixed some minor stuff in 3.5 which doesn't fit well together with the ICS framework. BUt still, how the SenseUI in ICS gave an impression to me is that IT IS NOT WELL CONCEPTED! Not as beautiful as Sense 3.0 in GB compared to other manufaturers' UI.
So I'm just saying that I am really eager to see Sense 4.0 for ICS in the near future.
What say you guys?

if HTC had actually given it a bit more AOSP style to Sense with ICS, then it might be ok....but as it, it actually looks like poop in my honest opinion...hence I now run Virtuous Inquisition 3.0.0

True, I think at the moment, Mathias' design concept is more mature than HTC's. But the fact is that many feature in ICS is already adopted since Sense 3.0. So I think that Sense 4.0 will be a blast again

sense is awful... that is just my opinion

I don't mind a little bit of sense (Some comes in handy sometimes) but they basically killed the beauty of ICS with there **** sense overlay. At least color stuff correctly. It looks very hurried and just glued together on htcs part. With that said virtuous Inq took out all the crappy junk that HTC put in and made it great again.

I'm actually considering a move to Virtuous ROM. Because it's the best AOSP so far I saw plus everyone's been using that.
I agreed with the glued part. It is really like just glued in a hurry. Not like the usual SENSEUI..

Yes sense 4.0 will totally change Ics UI....we have to wait some days.

The question is WHEN...
there are some leaks about it.. but not convincing enough...
Just hope it will be epic as ever ^^

sense 3.5/3.6 doesnyt really fit to ics, htc got to rethink their vision of new sense, but first news gives us hope that htc has right direction
on the other hand i can't work without sense, its the most complex launcher and i've tried working without it, but it was pointless, always comming back to sense

Personally,i just want aosp based rom. I hate Sense and always did dating back from my old Wildfire lol.
Using HyperSense CM7 ATM

ok, after I tried using Virtuous 3.0.0, I decided to go back to ARHD.
reason??
Because after using the AOSP based ROM, I realized how Sense made life easier. Although I must say that the AOSP has better design than Sense 3.5/4.6, but there are still some functions which Sense came really handy with.
So mean while, I'm coming back to ARHD ^^

It's insulting. 3.6 is such a minor "upgrade" to 3.5 while 4.0 is a massive upgrade (no quotes) to 2.3.x, putting that ****lick overlay on top of AOSP totally kills it. That, and the gray color scheme introduced in 3.5 is aweful, it's so dull. Sense 3.0 is the last decent Sense.

I agree, actually maybe Sense 3.0 was so great is because it has huge improvement from the previous Sense.

I would love to have ICS stock camera app in htc sense..

i think sense 3.6 is just a quick update to shut all of us up about wanting ICS
after some time we'll get a better sense version...
remember sense 2.1? it was absolutely the same in froyo and gingerbread but when HTC announced the sensation it was rocking sense 3.0 and everyone was drooling over it

While the first pictures and videos of ICS emerged, I told my self "nah, that can't be it. They said they where about to make it look better... "
When ICS was officially announced, I was deeply disappointed, that it really looked as ugly as it did in the leaked versions.
So I'm really enjoying sense 3.6, even if I had hoped for more.
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Personally Im not really looking forward to ICS with Sense 3.6. ICS is one thing but IMO Sense 3.6 isnt exactly different from Sense 3. The only thing I like about 3.6 is its camera but it isnt really a make or break decision for me.
If HTC rolls out ICS and Sense 4.0 for Sensation sometime later, I do hope they'll have better camera features (not over Sense 3 of course, even 3.6 camera trumps over 3.0 lol)

But I think Sense 3.6 is a compensation of ICS design. Because the original ICS has no menu button and Sensation has menu button.

[Q] Why have Sense

Ok, maybe its just me.
Theres a lot of complaining about Sense, people on hear who would rather have any sensless rom.
Not wishing to sound like im causing an argument, but why do people who hate Sense, buy HTC phones. And not buy another Android phone, theres loads out there, some better than my Sensation, some worse.
Personally i like sense, running ICS, with Sense 3.5, and love it, but veryone has there own likes.
So why buy an HTC phone, if you dont want Sense?

the only thing i use sense for is for beats audio if it didnt need sense for it please say so then im gonna take an sensless rom don't see the point of sense exept keeping my homescreen to reload when much ram is used and as u know it uses at its own already around 50 mb of ram

I bougth my sensation just because the Sense, otherwise I would bought a Galaxy S2.
I like the sense features, the eye candy look and the widgets.
I recon that Sense is a resource eater, and it is has some bugs. It has been like this since touchFlo3D (predecessor of Sense in Windows mobile). Nothing is for free in this life.
The good thing is that there is a lot of options on this forum to change what we got from HTC.

ypsmav said:
I bougth my sensation just because the Sense, otherwise I would bought a Galaxy S2.
I like the sense features, the eye candy look and the widgets.
I recon that Sense is a resource eater, and it is has some bugs. It has been like this since touchFlo3D (predecessor of Sense in Windows mobile). Nothing is for free in this life.
The good thing is that there is a lot of options on this forum to change what we got from HTC.
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Agreed.
I just think Sense is the best OEM 'skin' and actually adds some useful features.

I want to like Sense, but I don't like the coloring scheme from 3.5 onwards. I felt black and gray looked better than just flat gray. The slider bar was nicer too, more rounded, not so big. 3.5/3.6 feel like a Step 2 childs toy. That, and it's so heavy. You can feel the lag going from the newest ARHD ICS to Virtuous Quattro, and you can feel it going from ARHD Gingerbread going to CM7. I'll take what makes my phone perform best - and looks best.

I bought a sensation for the specs, not for sense. It was the cheapest alternative.

ungraph said:
I bought a sensation for the specs, not for sense. It was the cheapest alternative.
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I picked my sensation xe as an upgrade purely for the 1.5 ghz processor, first thing I did was install aosp rom and custom kernal. Sense seems such a massive drain on the phones resources, so much quicker without it. But I played with sense long enough to see it is very pretty, with a lot of novelty wow factor touches. For me I want performance over looks, my sensation looks identical to my previous rom on my last phone, just a hell of a lot more powerful
sent from my Sensation XE

Sense is getting better though. Its a brilliant idea.
Sent From My steak using A1 steak sauce app (Sensation)

Sense 3.5 will be coming to the HTC Sensation and with it it will bring much more speed.
What your forgetting, is Gingerbread never had pure dual-core support. Ice Cream Sandwich will bring that pure support and should, in theory, unleash the beast within.
Sense 3.5 was also initially aimed at lower end phones and because of this is much much less of a resource hog. If it can run speedily on the HTC Sensation XL and even on the HTC Explorer, imagine the possibilities on a dual-core phone? I've seen a screenshot of the task manager on a 4.0.3 build of ICS with Sense 3.5 and there was 400MB of RAM left over the measly 100MB were lucky to get whilst running Sense 3.0.
Hopefully somewhere in the near future we will have Sense 4.0. In fact, Sense 4.0 COULD make it into the final build of ICS for the Sensation. Looking at HTC's trend, I wouldn't count on it but I certainly wouldn't completely call it off.
People buy HTC phones because they are beautiful not only on the interface, but on the outside too and in the naming. Your iPhone isn't put together using an aluminum unibody is it? No, it's put together using cheap sheets of glass on top of a piece of plastic that says 'Apple'.
People buy HTC's mainly because they have common sense. HTC have the best build quality, the best support (normally), the best interface, and even sometimes have the quickest update rollouts. The EVO 3D was supposed to get ICS in January. That's a really fast update considering how long it took then to get the Desire HD on Gingerbread!
I love HTC.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e using XDA App

It just makes "sense" to use it
After all, you did all buy the HTC Sensation, haha
In the end it's all down to personal preference anwyay

I dont prefer sense but if it can be atleast aosp themed faux it
Sent From My steak using A1 steak sauce app (Sensation)

vabeachfc3s said:
I dont prefer sense but if it can be atleast aosp themed faux it
Sent From My steak using A1 steak sauce app (Sensation)
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Well that's the beauty of Android over iOS. We get a choice

[Q] Questions about Sense and Android 4.0

Hello guys,
I've just recently got the One S on contract from Netcom and coming from a Samsung phone this really has been a new experience for me all together. But I have a problem. The phone itself works flawlessly and lags nothing compared to the HTC One X - but I really, really, really HATE SENSE.
I just can't seem to get used to it and since I've pretty much done custom flashing on my old Galaxy S since the very start, I just can't wait to replace SENSE as soon as possible - in the mean time, would it be possible to just unlock the device and put a STOCK version of ICS on it? Like one for the One S so that I get to keep stuff such as the HTC browser and maybe the custom Alt+Tab kind of thingy they put on?
Personally would like to build my own custom ROM with some mixed ingredienses but I wouldn't know where to start.
Any ideas? Or do I just have to wait and stick to this in the mean time?

As a stop-gap measure, you could install another launcher. I did this on the HTC Sensation for awhile before we started having either the non-sense options or true AOSP builds like we have now. From my limited experience, this is a flagship device and developers and users and documentarians will show up. The Sensation has a pretty rich community of both sense and AOSP builds now. One cautionary note though. On my Sensation running a modified version of CM9 there are things still being fixed. You may find early versions of ICS will have a variety of issues as developers get things solved. Its particularly hard before source gets released though. Its like peddling a bicycle backwards in a dark tunnel when its raining.

As mentioned above, install Nova launcher for now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1389071
Sent from my HTC One S using xda premium

ok thanks guys. will have to settle with it for now I guess.
Sent from my HTC One S using XDA

Au Contraire!
I am going with the One S because it runs Sense 4 ( best android overlay)
I was going to go with Samsung Galaxy S2 but my friend showed me his, everything about TouchWiz was unappealing from the large text the stale interface.

AndroidBlizzard said:
Au Contraire!
I am going with the One S because it runs Sense 4 ( best android overlay)
I was going to go with Samsung Galaxy S2 but my friend showed me his, everything about TouchWiz was unappealing from the large text the stale interface.
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I guess each one has it's own taste
My gripe with sense is just what you describe as appealing.. the small black text on white background in most of the interface is killing my eye-sight at night. Guess I have been used to the Android 2.3 experience for too long and as much as Sense 4 works wonders - it just not my cup of tea. This could of course be fixed if there was a "black" skin that could be applied. Preferably with as little bright colors as possible (I know, may sound boring but will eventually save a few hours of battery in the long run due to the AMOLED display running "less hot" )

I'm in the same situation as the OP, really enjoyed ICS on my Desire until the display broke (got slammed display first into table... IKEA > HTC)
Anyways here's hoping that I understand these nuggets correctly: "MoDaCo Custom ROMs are based on official ROMs - either shipping or leaked."
"Stock style and Vanilla (ICS) style prebakes will be available as the ROM takes shape."
Source: first post in [ROM] 11 Apr - MoDaCo Custom ROM for the HTC One S - Sense and Vanilla styles in the One S Development forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592126
So hopefully Paulobrien just removes Sense etc from an official ROM. Not sure whats up with the cooking lingo though, maybe there is a dev-chef-lingo dictionary somewhere on XDA!
Also I second your request for where to start learning to build your own ROM! Should post a Q in the noob-friendly thread here.

aureleuz said:
I guess each one has it's own taste
My gripe with sense is just what you describe as appealing.. the small black text on white background in most of the interface is killing my eye-sight at night. Guess I have been used to the Android 2.3 experience for too long and as much as Sense 4 works wonders - it just not my cup of tea. This could of course be fixed if there was a "black" skin that could be applied. Preferably with as little bright colors as possible (I know, may sound boring but will eventually save a few hours of battery in the long run due to the AMOLED display running "less hot" )
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Perhaps you are right
Looking at sense 3.0 interface , the black blackground is weird, sense 4 with white background for settings seems much more natural. I have spent quite some time around my friends who have EVO 3D and Sensation, and I have to admit I will miss the eye catching animations and the easy access carousel function. Of course this is will be my first HTC phone so I can see how people hate the white look of settings. Coming from an iPhone with white settings too, it will be a similar transition for me. Sense just seems to have so much depth and much to explore compared to other Android Overlays. Having ICS along with it just makes the experience much smoother and sweeter.(Pun partially intended )

So... can anybody tell me if the Stock ROMs that have been cooked for the One S recently work good enough to run for production (i.e. HTC camera, launcher, weather widget)
I really would like to feel that AOSP experience again just like on my old Galaxy S. But I don't want to loose any functionality

aureleuz said:
So... can anybody tell me if the Stock ROMs that have been cooked for the One S recently work good enough to run for production (i.e. HTC camera, launcher, weather widget)
I really would like to feel that AOSP experience again just like on my old Galaxy S. But I don't want to loose any functionality
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Try Black Dragon 3.8 Rom. Very stable and keeps all functions working.

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Try Black Dragon 3.8 Rom. Very stable and keeps all functions working.
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Kthx.
Does that include the HTC ImageSense chip-drivers? I really like the way the camera snaps those pics in a fraction of a second!