I'm an AT&T subscriber and i've been waiting on the Nexus one or compatible device.
I really don't know which is better between the nexus and the desire, but I know I do like the Physical buttons and the optical trackpad on the desire. I'm just not sure I want the Sense UI over Android.
Does the Sense UI still allow animated backgrounds and have all the features that vanilla Android has?
My main concern is the fact that it seems to take manufacturers with UI over Android a while to upgrade to the latest Version of Android.
So what do you guys think the best choice will be? And how hard will it be to remove Sense off the Desire and make it Vanilla Anroid? Will it then get the OTA updates just like the NExus One?
elijahblake said:
I'm an AT&T subscriber and i've been waiting on the Nexus one or compatible device.
I really don't know which is better between the nexus and the desire, but I know I do like the Physical buttons and the optical trackpad on the desire. I'm just not sure I want the Sense UI over Android.
Does the Sense UI still allow animated backgrounds and have all the features that vanilla Android has?
My main concern is the fact that it seems to take manufacturers with UI over Android a while to upgrade to the latest Version of Android.
So what do you guys think the best choice will be? And how hard will it be to remove Sense off the Desire and make it Vanilla Anroid? Will it then get the OTA updates just like the NExus One?
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Yes someone can make a stock android 2.1 rom for the desire. HTC SENSE UI has everything that stock android has except (correct me if I'm wrong) the new launcher.
In every htc sense device you can just turn off sense and just use stock android so no problem there.
The device won't get major updates from google (like OS upgrades) but it might get minor updates (like 3G fixes, bug fixes, newer flash)
Just so that you know Sense UI is android except with a skin, like sense on the hd2.
I would get the Desire (you get both stock and sense ui, the desire has more RAM then the nexus one, the desire looks much better and sleeker.)
Agreed. Couple points:
1. I own a Nexus. It's very good. I'm a WinMo guy and it was good enough to convert me to a phone with no keyboard.
2. I'ld get the desire. Its almost like a 2nd gen N1. Takes away most common faults: bad network coverage, problems with capacitive buttons, vanilla interface.
3. Furthermore, Sense is great. Coming from an HTC WinMo phone I reeeaeaally missed Sense. Android clocks look cheesy while sense looks classy. There is now a dedicated phone button on the screen. My number one complaint was I hate the way iphones find contacts to call them. It's like 4 clicks and a ton of scrolling. Android is like that. But with Sense on, Sense dialer is a smart dialer. Just start typing their name on dialpad (dad = 323) and it quickly finds the number.
4. Although sense can be turned off, its not "just" a launcher. Its also a dialer, a contact app, an entire new homescreen with 7 screens and specialized htc widgets preprogrammed into them, with saveable custom homescreens called "scenes." New weather app, new app drawer with no 3d effects. Also, Sense ("Rosie") is said by Rom chiefs to be built deep into the "framework" of Android, which is why they sadly havent just ported the apps to stock yet.
thanks guys, Looks like the Desire is the best choice then... Now I just hope that it really comes to AT&T. And SOON!!!
i wonder if at&t will screw up the desire like they did with the backflop?
Brickflop, you mean. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Desire gets the same treatment.
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Hi guys,
Saw the Samsung Galaxy S and love it! The hardware is great!
But I read a lot of previews that the Touchwiz UI is not as good/fun as the Sense UI by HTC.
What's so good about the Sense UI and what's so bad about Touchwiz?
Also, if there's a cooked rom for Samsung Galaxy S with Sense UI, will it affect the way HD video is being played on the phone or even the HD recording? I'm sure Samsung did some tweaking on the software (maybe Touchwiz media player is better than Sense media player?) to fully harness the hardware capabilities. So will there be a performance drop if Sense UI is used instead of the stock Touchwiz UI?
Thanks for your replies in advance.
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Hi guys,
Saw the Samsung Galaxy S and love it! The hardware is great!
But I read a lot of previews that the Touchwiz UI is not as good/fun as the Sense UI by HTC.
What's so good about the Sense UI and what's so bad about Touchwiz?
Also, if there's a cooked rom for Samsung Galaxy S with Sense UI, will it affect the way HD video is being played on the phone or even the HD recording? I'm sure Samsung did some tweaking on the software (maybe Touchwiz media player is better than Sense media player?) to fully harness the hardware capabilities. So will there be a performance drop if Sense UI is used instead of the stock Touchwiz UI?
Thanks for your replies in advance.
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I find touchwhiz very ugly. Sense UI is nice and simple, ORIGINAL (the new touchwhiz on the galaxy s is an iphone knock off IMO) and it has GREAT SOCIAL INTERGRATION like in sense ui 2.1 you can import all your facebook friends as actual contacts now.
I prefer the Sense UI over touchwhiz.
UberMario said:
I find touchwhiz very ugly. Sense UI is nice and simple, ORIGINAL (the new touchwhiz on the galaxy s is an iphone knock off IMO) and it has GREAT SOCIAL INTERGRATION like in sense ui 2.1 you can import all your facebook friends as actual contacts now.
I prefer the Sense UI over touchwhiz.
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I will never understand why people would want a full screen weather plugin. It's impractical and any kind continuous animation drains your battery very fast.
TouchWiz may not be as funky as HTC Sense, so all the < 15 consumers will go for that. I like the well-organized main screen of the TouchWiz interface. It's showing useful information (TEXT) put together from various widgets.
HTC sense is a work of art. The best OS GUI I have ever used on any hardware platform ( PC, Phone, Microwave oven ).
I have an Aria and just got the Captivate and have used it for 24 hrs.
So on Captivate, even with Launcherpro loaded, Touchwiz is, by comparison, clunky, ugly, and often requires two or three taps to accomplish a task that is done in one task in HTC sense.
However, Touchwiz is light years beyond windows mobile 6.5 which just disgusts me to even type about it.
Can you put Sense on a Captivate?
LauncherPro or ADWLauncher are the best, production company skins/themes always lack key elements that make android so snappy and crisp as it should be enjoyed
So I have played with sense on the HD2, Hero, Magic, and MyTouch Slide, (not counting the g1 bc is was always slow and never really stable).. I have used TouchWiz on the Vibrant and a behold 2....
Sense was really clean and simple to me back in the day.. The black on the lo res screens just look good to me, I loved the flash lite, Every aspect it touched on just got a little cleaner.. that said it slowed the phone down horribly.. The Slide has changed that.. it seems responsive and more customizable to the average consumer... hopefully that wont just be a mytouch series thing.. but no live wallpapers and no bettercut,
Touchwiz was taken off the behold 2 as soon as I could.. It was just an epic fail.. especially after using almost every android phone so far... I dont even have to explain myself on that one... And then the vibrant came out... I was really reluctant until I got to play with it... Im more pleased with the ui but its not a step up from vanilla.. not like sense is..
its a personal preference but I prefer vanilla android...
Hi Guys
I bought the SGS II but i started to regret this decision after a couple of days
Everyone wants something out of a phone and Sensation might be a perfect fit for one person, while the SGS II for another
I owned the desire HD before and I really appreciated how smooth the interface was, and the number of business widgets readily available with sense (email, calendar, people, friend stream). I also appreciated how social networking is integrated into sense
In all honesty SGS II is a beast when it comes to speed, but it UI is way behind sense. Out of the box it does not offer the widgets i want,and 3rd party widgets are not as good or do not offer functionality or integration with sense
Amazingly, SGS II UI also becomes laggy when you fillout 7 screens with widgets. I had 7 screens of widgets on the DHD and the scrolling was very smooth
SO MY QUESTION IS
is this smoothness retained in sense 3.0. Do they still have the same nice sense widgets integrated with the system and is sense still smooth even after you fill out 7 screens with widgets ?
Thx
Yes everything is integrated very well. So far no lag with filling 7 screens with widgets
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Yes everything is integrated very well. So far no lag with filling 7 screens with widgets
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same here. 7 Screens filled. No lag
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Went from Desire HD til Sensation, and I am very pleased.
The form factor of the Sensation, although the difference is not huge on paper, is all in favour of the Sensation. It's much more manageable, and feels better in my hand.
The build quality is better, and to me it feels like an "improved" Desire HD, where all small quirks have been fixed (like battery and Sim card covers, and power/volume buttons)
In short the Sensation feels like a better quality device.
I have always liked Sense, and Sense 3.0 is a very good improvement, with nice new features. (I used Sense 3 addons on my DHD, and I would never go back to Sense 2.1 now)
It is to early for me to conclude battery performance, since the battery only have 2-3 cycles completed, but I have complaints on performance so far.
Speed of dual core is also hard to comment, as my Desire HD ran custom ROM, so it was fast. The Sensation does not feel slow at all, but about the same as the single core 1Ghz DHD. My guess is that when HTC opens the bootloader and custom ROMs are created, it will be noticably faster!
To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if Sense 3.0 is ported to SGS II and TouchWiz 4.0 is ported to Sensation
I've always said I don't really mind what software the phone is running (as long as it's Android!) because I or another dev can port the software I'd like
i personally hate widgets and sense. So on my sensation I went with launcher pro and like 2 widgets. I dunno its just personal preference i guess everything is.
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To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if Sense 3.0 is ported to SGS II
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You should be surprised if that happens, because Sense has never been successfully ported to a non-HTC phone. Mildly functional versions have made it to the original Motorola Droid and some Galaxy S variants, but they have never been daily drivers. There are just too many proprietary HTC bits for developers to reverse engineer.
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You should be surprised if that happens, because Sense has never been successfully ported to a non-HTC phone. Mildly functional versions have made it to the original Motorola Droid and some Galaxy S variants, but they have never been daily drivers. There are just too many proprietary HTC bits for developers to reverse engineer.
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That was all before HTC opened the DEV Center for Sense, it may get quite a bit easier to work with Sense.
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You should be surprised if that happens, because Sense has never been successfully ported to a non-HTC phone. Mildly functional versions have made it to the original Motorola Droid and some Galaxy S variants, but they have never been daily drivers. There are just too many proprietary HTC bits for developers to reverse engineer.
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Always time for a first, though
Guys don't flame me for this, but I really love the HTC Sense UI, but the form factory of the HTC Evo View leaves a quite a lot to be desired when compared to my Galaxy Tab Plus. I've tried to get some of the lookalike HTC widgets from the market, but the integration just Visn't as deep as I want really. For example, the Sense calendar on the Evo View is fantastic. In landscape, you get a really graphically rich grid calendar on the left half, and an agenda view on the right half. Everything just looks a lot more polished IMO than Touchwiz
Would it even be possible to get the honeycomb version of the HTC Evo View and flash it onto the Galaxy?
Cheers
no, you could port it, but not install the actual ROM guaranteed not to work.
HTC is totally diff from samsung, HTC working on any other device is actually quite a bit of work. Sense can be ported but is usually a PITA if device is not HTC.
I would advise you not to attempt to install any other device's ROM on your device.
happy new year!
Thanks, I was doubtful it would work but I thought I'd pose the question. I'm actually surprised that the Sense stuff isn't ported more often, but I know it's kindof a love or hate with Sense...
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Realistically and unfortunately no.
...want Sense 3.6 to be the final Sense version that we get for the Sensation? I mean, I love it. It's great. Obviously a more polished version makes sense, however, I think this sense version is pretty great. (I've had tons of Sense phones and have used many roms.) Sense 4.0 looks so... Blah... to me. That plain grey, I like it on AOSP and in the menus on Sense 3.6... but for it to be the launcher bar on the bottom... I dunno. I feel like they are doing away with the glassy gloss of Sense that made me love it.
Anyone else agree?
Yes, I would love to see sense die, but it seems to be popular enough to some that it keeps HTC making it. These custom skins also give a layer of distinction between manufacturers. I know my next phone will be a Nexus phone or a phone that active and successful AOSP based roms. I don't like how HTC doesn't open up the source for the sensation making it harder for devs to cook up fully functional roms.
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I don't like how HTC doesn't open up the source for the sensation making it harder for devs to cook up fully functional roms.
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They do open the kernel source up, but IIRC it's only after a phone or update with that version of the kernel is shipped this occurs.
So my guess is once they push out the ICS update they will make the kernel source available here: http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
JamesTBrewer said:
Yes, I would love to see sense die, but it seems to be popular enough to some that it keeps HTC making it. These custom skins also give a layer of distinction between manufacturers. I know my next phone will be a Nexus phone or a phone that active and successful AOSP based roms. I don't like how HTC doesn't open up the source for the sensation making it harder for devs to cook up fully functional roms.
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Don't get me wrong, I love Sense. However, I don't like the direction they are going with Sense 4.0. I would like the new landscape rosie and lockscreen, other than that... Sense 3.6 is the way I like my Sensation.
Μe too,I think now they are making it too grey ang ugly for me.sense 3.6 has that touch polish you can't see elsewhere.
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I think 3.6 is kinda ugly. Those grays are very real in Sense 3.6 but they have a bluish tint to them. I just wish the current releases weren't so laggy. Sure, they're stable and the lag is tolerable, but nothing beats AOSP 4.0
Personally I can't stand sense, but thats just a personal preference. I didn't realize how much I disliked it until I received a sense device. I used to think it was just a skin and a different launcher would fix it.
It would be great if HTC offered factory baked AOSP roms as an option. So those who want a regular android experience will continue to buy HTC phones and can do so without voiding their warranty. I get why people like sense, even more when you take it back to windows mobile 6.x (touchflo), but as long as sense is a part of HTC phones for the future, I will no longer buy phones from them. Except for 9 months on blackberry I have had only HTC phones for at least 6 years.
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I think 3.6 is kinda ugly. Those grays are very real in Sense 3.6 but they have a bluish tint to them. I just wish the current releases weren't so laggy. Sure, they're stable and the lag is tolerable, but nothing beats AOSP 4.0
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Blue tint is a bug affecting some users. Flash this kernel to fix it: 1.512_GHz_overclocked_kernel_3.0.16-g9788208_by_SebastianFM.zip
You can't really complain about Sense 4.0 when no one has even used it.
All you've seen so far are leaked videos and pictures. It could still change before it's released.
Hello guys,
I've just recently got the One S on contract from Netcom and coming from a Samsung phone this really has been a new experience for me all together. But I have a problem. The phone itself works flawlessly and lags nothing compared to the HTC One X - but I really, really, really HATE SENSE.
I just can't seem to get used to it and since I've pretty much done custom flashing on my old Galaxy S since the very start, I just can't wait to replace SENSE as soon as possible - in the mean time, would it be possible to just unlock the device and put a STOCK version of ICS on it? Like one for the One S so that I get to keep stuff such as the HTC browser and maybe the custom Alt+Tab kind of thingy they put on?
Personally would like to build my own custom ROM with some mixed ingredienses but I wouldn't know where to start.
Any ideas? Or do I just have to wait and stick to this in the mean time?
As a stop-gap measure, you could install another launcher. I did this on the HTC Sensation for awhile before we started having either the non-sense options or true AOSP builds like we have now. From my limited experience, this is a flagship device and developers and users and documentarians will show up. The Sensation has a pretty rich community of both sense and AOSP builds now. One cautionary note though. On my Sensation running a modified version of CM9 there are things still being fixed. You may find early versions of ICS will have a variety of issues as developers get things solved. Its particularly hard before source gets released though. Its like peddling a bicycle backwards in a dark tunnel when its raining.
As mentioned above, install Nova launcher for now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1389071
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ok thanks guys. will have to settle with it for now I guess.
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Au Contraire!
I am going with the One S because it runs Sense 4 ( best android overlay)
I was going to go with Samsung Galaxy S2 but my friend showed me his, everything about TouchWiz was unappealing from the large text the stale interface.
AndroidBlizzard said:
Au Contraire!
I am going with the One S because it runs Sense 4 ( best android overlay)
I was going to go with Samsung Galaxy S2 but my friend showed me his, everything about TouchWiz was unappealing from the large text the stale interface.
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I guess each one has it's own taste
My gripe with sense is just what you describe as appealing.. the small black text on white background in most of the interface is killing my eye-sight at night. Guess I have been used to the Android 2.3 experience for too long and as much as Sense 4 works wonders - it just not my cup of tea. This could of course be fixed if there was a "black" skin that could be applied. Preferably with as little bright colors as possible (I know, may sound boring but will eventually save a few hours of battery in the long run due to the AMOLED display running "less hot" )
I'm in the same situation as the OP, really enjoyed ICS on my Desire until the display broke (got slammed display first into table... IKEA > HTC)
Anyways here's hoping that I understand these nuggets correctly: "MoDaCo Custom ROMs are based on official ROMs - either shipping or leaked."
"Stock style and Vanilla (ICS) style prebakes will be available as the ROM takes shape."
Source: first post in [ROM] 11 Apr - MoDaCo Custom ROM for the HTC One S - Sense and Vanilla styles in the One S Development forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592126
So hopefully Paulobrien just removes Sense etc from an official ROM. Not sure whats up with the cooking lingo though, maybe there is a dev-chef-lingo dictionary somewhere on XDA!
Also I second your request for where to start learning to build your own ROM! Should post a Q in the noob-friendly thread here.
aureleuz said:
I guess each one has it's own taste
My gripe with sense is just what you describe as appealing.. the small black text on white background in most of the interface is killing my eye-sight at night. Guess I have been used to the Android 2.3 experience for too long and as much as Sense 4 works wonders - it just not my cup of tea. This could of course be fixed if there was a "black" skin that could be applied. Preferably with as little bright colors as possible (I know, may sound boring but will eventually save a few hours of battery in the long run due to the AMOLED display running "less hot" )
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Perhaps you are right
Looking at sense 3.0 interface , the black blackground is weird, sense 4 with white background for settings seems much more natural. I have spent quite some time around my friends who have EVO 3D and Sensation, and I have to admit I will miss the eye catching animations and the easy access carousel function. Of course this is will be my first HTC phone so I can see how people hate the white look of settings. Coming from an iPhone with white settings too, it will be a similar transition for me. Sense just seems to have so much depth and much to explore compared to other Android Overlays. Having ICS along with it just makes the experience much smoother and sweeter.(Pun partially intended )
So... can anybody tell me if the Stock ROMs that have been cooked for the One S recently work good enough to run for production (i.e. HTC camera, launcher, weather widget)
I really would like to feel that AOSP experience again just like on my old Galaxy S. But I don't want to loose any functionality
aureleuz said:
So... can anybody tell me if the Stock ROMs that have been cooked for the One S recently work good enough to run for production (i.e. HTC camera, launcher, weather widget)
I really would like to feel that AOSP experience again just like on my old Galaxy S. But I don't want to loose any functionality
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Try Black Dragon 3.8 Rom. Very stable and keeps all functions working.
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Try Black Dragon 3.8 Rom. Very stable and keeps all functions working.
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Kthx.
Does that include the HTC ImageSense chip-drivers? I really like the way the camera snaps those pics in a fraction of a second!