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Videotron/Mobilicity Panache thread

I don't own an MT4G or Panache, but I started this thread for the inevitable arrival of Mobilicity & Videotron customers who would like to mod an HTC Panache. Once the MyTouch 4G Gingerbread update came out, it was found that the Fre3vo root exploit (originally found for the Sensation/Evo 3D) will also temp-root this phone. To get S-OFF you have to roll back to an old Froyo MT4G firmware - from there you can roll back forward to anything you want.
Differences between MT4G Gingerbread and Panache for the purpose of this thread:
- Panache requires a gold card because the ROM you roll back to comes from a different carrier.
- Your preferences in terms of what ROM to put on your phone after S-OFF may be different from T-Mobile customers - ergo, discuss here if this is an issue.
Thanks to jgobeil for posting the guide in post #98:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16858971&postcount=98
Jgobeil said:
Hi,
Now that the rooting guide for the Panache is completed and posted, may I suggest that you update the first post of the Panache thread to refer newcomers to this thread to post #98 where the guide is.
This will make it easy for these people and maybe avoid costly mistakes.
Best regards and thanks for your help.
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If Gingerbreak will work on it, that would be the only difference, instead rooting with Visionary+, they'll root with Gingerbreak and proceed with the same S-OFF guide, hopefully flashing engineering bootloader.

Jack_R1 said:
If Gingerbreak will work on it, that would be the only difference, instead rooting with Visionary+, they'll root with Gingerbreak and proceed with the same S-OFF guide, hopefully flashing engineering bootloader.
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What is gingerbreak??? Is there a new rooting method called gingerbreak?
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cmstlist said:
I don't own an MT4G or Panache, but I thought I'd start this thread for the inevitable arrival of Mobilicity & Videotron customers who would like to mod an HTC Panache.
Since it has launched with Gingerbread, I am guessing the initial root steps will be a little different. If any MT4G devs have any idea what Panache users should try differently, post it here.
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Dude then why the hell did you start this if you don't own one? Stick to your own forum!
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mark manning said:
Dude then why the hell did you start this if you don't own one? Stick to your own forum!
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Because I'm Canadian and using one of the new AWS carriers here, so I want to know as much as I can about the devices they release
Jack_R1 said:
If Gingerbreak will work on it, that would be the only difference, instead rooting with Visionary+, they'll root with Gingerbreak and proceed with the same S-OFF guide, hopefully flashing engineering bootloader.
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There is someone else here on the forum who flashed the entire firmware of the Panache onto his MT4G and was unable to re-root with Gingerbreak even for temp root. Fortunately the user in question had Radio S-OFF so was eventually able to fix it. But this hints that Gingerbreak won't work.

cmstlist said:
There is someone else here on the forum who flashed the entire firmware of the Panache onto his MT4G and was unable to re-root with Gingerbreak even for temp root. Fortunately the user in question had Radio S-OFF so was eventually able to fix it. But this hints that Gingerbreak won't work.
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That was me. And yes, none of the rooting methods out there will work on panache (including gingerbreak by SOC) firmware. I had to hboot-flash the stock 2.2.1 firmware and then was able to root.

chem.manish said:
That was me. And yes, none of the rooting methods out there will work on panache (including gingerbreak by SOC) firmware. I had to hboot-flash the stock 2.2.1 firmware and then was able to root.
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Thanks for clarifying. Of course you had S-OFF and the Mobi/Vtron Panache comes S-ON. So this leaves an open question of what is the first step to root the Panache.

chem.manish said:
That was me. And yes, none of the rooting methods out there will work on panache (including gingerbreak by SOC) firmware. I had to hboot-flash the stock 2.2.1 firmware and then was able to root.
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I just wanted to ask - you said you tried Gingerbreak and it didn't work. My question is, did you check if it at least provided you with temp root? Or it did nothing at all?

I got rooted. Just installed Rom manager to flash recovery and all is fine.
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atifsh said:
I got rooted. Just installed Rom manager to flash recovery and all is fine.
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Could you explain all the steps you took to achieve this on the Panache?
I just read your thread and it looks like you actually had a MT4G running the Panache ROM. But was your phone already S-OFF? If so, that'd probably explain why Gingerbreak worked. Not sure that'd fly on a factory Installed Panache.
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Details on post I started, but its glacier used panache RUU.
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Yes it was s-off, but another user who did that could'nt root though he also was s-off
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I see. So it's still not clear what will or won't work with a factory S-ON Panache.
It's reported that Gingerbreak does not work with S-ON Panache, but what's unclear is whether it can still be used to achieve temp root. If it can, this suggests a way to force it to an earlier T-Mo RUU which will permit the use of the S-OFF kernel exploit.

as far i know, both are same hardware and you dont need s-off to use factory RUU. thus if i can use panache RUU regardless of s-off i can flash mytouch 4g RUU on panache.

atifsh said:
as far i know, both are same hardware and you dont need s-off to use factory RUU. thus if i can use panache RUU regardless of s-off i can flash mytouch 4g RUU on panache.
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You need at the very least temproot to edit the "misc" partition before flashing an older version bootloader RUU, otherwise it will reject it. Since it is not yet established that temproot works on factory S-ON Panache, there is no established way to downgrade the RUU. So there is still no clear pathway yet.

If you say so though I still think u dont need any sort of root for official RUU.exe
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An official RUU will fail, even with a gold card, if it's an older version than the current bootloader. All MT4G official firmwares are older than the Panache's. The only way around this is a root hack.
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cmstlist said:
An official RUU will fail, even with a gold card, if it's an older version than the current bootloader. All MT4G official firmwares are older than the Panache's. The only way around this is a root hack.
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ok i didnt know that, i thought its more like flashing a bios where it says u have this ver and willflash this

Okay so I see on the Mobilicity and Videotron Panache that it has peak speeds of 21 Mbps whereas the MT4G is 14.4, did they make a hardware change or is this in the firmware?

cmstlist said:
I just wanted to ask - you said you tried Gingerbreak and it didn't work. My question is, did you check if it at least provided you with temp root? Or it did nothing at all?
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No, it didnt even temp root. As i said earlier i did not have a true s-off. I even tried flashing cwm through fastboot but bootloader didnt allow that (it should have if i had a true s-off).

[Q] The at&t gingerbread update

What will the impact of this update be?

wdkingery said:
What will the impact of this update be?
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The impact will be that it will update this phone to gingerbread. Neat, huh?
Now if you're talking rootability, how would we know until it's released? I won't take a chance. I think the update for the dhd is unrootable. When put on a stock phone, you're hosed.
For custom roms? I'm sure it'll be a good thing.

agreed. i don't think the inspire will ever get an unlocked rom direct from htc and especially not from at&t. if your interested (like i am) in a stock rom based on gingerbread wait for a developer to release a rooted version of the at&t update coming in august.
i just wish htc would add sense 3.0 to the coming rom, but i don't imagine that will ever happen either. thank goodness for the developers on here to make our phones what they could be from htc.

There's a new exploit, Fre3vo, that should work on the forthcoming Inspire GB update unless HTC patches it at the last minute which is not likely (it's already in the pipeline).

Gene Poole said:
There's a new exploit, Fre3vo, that should work on the forthcoming Inspire GB update unless HTC patches it at the last minute which is not likely (it's already in the pipeline).
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They are saving that for a later ota
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Move to android 2.3. A couple of fixes. Same laggy sense sadly.

Gene Poole said:
There's a new exploit, Fre3vo, that should work on the forthcoming Inspire GB update unless HTC patches it at the last minute which is not likely (it's already in the pipeline).
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I queried you with this on the other thread, but it looks like it's getting buried. From what I have seen, this just gives a temp root and doesn't break the nand security. I was wondering if perhaps you had seen some info I hadn't come across that indicated otherwise.
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fernandezhjr said:
I queried you with this on the other thread, but it looks like it's getting buried. From what I have seen, this just gives a temp root and doesn't break the nand security. I was wondering if perhaps you had seen some info I hadn't come across that indicated otherwise.
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You need temproot to change the version information. From there (with a goldcard), you can downgrade the ROM to the version that can be used with gfree to get S-OFF. Once you've got S-OFF you're home free!
Basically it's the same method as before, but using fre3vo instead of psneuter or rage (psneuter and rage exploits have been patched in latest HTC RUUs).

Gene Poole said:
You need temproot to change the version information. From there (with a goldcard), you can downgrade the ROM to the version that can be used with gfree to get S-OFF. Once you've got S-OFF you're home free!
Basically it's the same method as before, but using fre3vo instead of psneuter or rage (psneuter and rage exploits have been patched in latest HTC RUUs).
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So basically this is specific to the Inspire. We still benefit from having the ability to downgrade and exploit. I was wondering why it wouldn't perma root the EVO 3D. Thanks.
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fernandezhjr said:
So basically this is specific to the Inspire. We still benefit from having the ability to downgrade and exploit. I was wondering why it wouldn't perma root the EVO 3D. Thanks.
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Well, most any rooting procedure needs to get temproot at some point in the process. Fre3vo works on a lot of HTC GB RUUs, but I'm not sure if it works on other brands. The workings are still a closely guarded secret for now.

[Q] Froyo------>Gingerbread BUT!!!!

Ok So back in the day I used the ace hack kit so I was happily on froyo me specs are:
Android Version 2.2.1
Kernel Version 2.6.32.21-g3c08447
Software Number Inspired DHD AFR003
so now as I remember I did the s-off rooted and unlocked but need to go back to stock firmware (IDK just want it) so att made the update to gingerbread so my question is:
If I update like the way the htc page tells me to will it brick my phone ?
and if not what do I have to do?
ive just been out of it and im a little back behind but I find posts with other things than this thanks in advance guys!

Check out this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1208507
It has all the instructions and tools you need to return to stock.

but I cant just execute the htc update and what would happen my main concern is messing up my phone by just updating to the official Gingerbread I am on still on the same specs

Yes you can just flash the gingerbread ruu. You will be stock but still have soff which is fine unless you were going to do some kind of warranty claim then I would suggest gong son aswell

0riginal.mv said:
but I cant just execute the htc update and what would happen my main concern is messing up my phone by just updating to the official Gingerbread I am on still on the same specs
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Do you mean the OTA update, or the RUU from HTC's website? If the former, then no, you can't unless you are running a rock-stock froyo ROM (it will abort before doing anything). If the latter, then yes, you can run it, but it will wipe everything.

RUU_Ace_Gingerbread_S_Cingular_US_2.47.502.7_Radio_12.56.60.25_26.10.04.03_M_release_200368_signed.exe
thats the file I really dont care of the features I use im just wondering if i'll mess up my phone plus I just want to know what ill keep and what ill lose in terms of the s-off and I know ill lose the unlock

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RUU_Ace_Gingerbread_S_Cingular_US_2.47.502.7_Radio_12.56.60.25_26.10.04.03_M_release_200368_signed.exe
thats the file I really dont care of the features I use im just wondering if i'll mess up my phone plus I just want to know what ill keep and what ill lose in terms of the s-off and I know ill lose the unlock
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Flashing ghe htc OTA update while you are S-Off will not work. Found this out the hard way back when I first started messing with phones
You can un root your phone and put S-On and update it to gingerbread but I don't think you'll be able to root it as I believe the hack kit requires you to downgrade firmware anyway.
Best bet is to just flash a gingerbread rom. If your trying to keep sense I would suggest the rom virtuous unity.
Has sense 3.0 with a load of new features and is gingerbread I believe.
Either way, best of luck. Hope this helps
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Thanks Solved My Answer Now To Move On To Virtuous Unity

0riginal.mv said:
Thanks Solved My Answer Now To Move On To Virtuous Unity
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No problem, and you won't regret it I promise!
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[Q] Goldcards?

I have seen this work on older phones like the original myTouch 3g and the 3g Slide, so i was just wondering if this was possible to achieve at least root (no S-off) and if so would there be a way to get S-off?

izzy001 said:
I have seen this work on older phones like the original myTouch 3g and the 3g Slide, so i was just wondering if this was possible to achieve at least root (no S-off) and if so would there be a way to get S-off?
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Are you talking about the mt4gs? We already have soff and root.

yellowjacket1981 said:
Are you talking about the mt4gs? We already have soff and root.
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No, we don't.
Some people do, but anyone who has the latest OTA can't gain root (at least until HTC fixes their unlocker tool).

I remember making a gold card 2 years ago for the original Mytouch for a friend. Using a hex editor. What does that actually do though?

I dont have S-Off cuz i was dumb and did the OTA before i rooted. I was just asking to add possibilities out there. Would it really be possible though, it be pretty nice if we got at least custom recover from it.
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izzy001 said:
I dont have S-Off cuz i was dumb and did the OTA before i rooted. I was just asking to add possibilities out there. Would it really be possible though, it be pretty nice if we got at least custom recover from it.
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If your S-Off there's methods to get Clockwork back on.
HTC is going to FIX (Yes Fix) the OTA Update to allow S-Off, and Root. I called T-Mo, and HTC. My Uncle wanted his Doubleshot Rooted, but couldn't because he (Stupidly) updated.
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2.20 Root Status

I'm just wondering as to the status of gaining root access on the AT&T 2.20 update. I just bought my HOX via a third party, and it came with 2.20, so right now I'm SOL.
I know ETA's don't typically exist, but will creating a bounty help move this along?

GuyIncognito721 said:
I'm just wondering as to the status of gaining root access on the AT&T 2.20 update. I just bought my HOX via a third party, and it came with 2.20, so right now I'm SOL.
I know ETA's don't typically exist, but will creating a bounty help move this along?
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Bump
Hopefully someone finds an exploit because I want to install a custom rom so badly!
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There's nothing to report. My gut feeling is we will need to be granted sanctioned bootloader unlock to get root again.

gunnyman said:
There's nothing to report. My gut feeling is we will need to be granted sanctioned bootloader unlock to get root again.
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sorry I'm not so good with rooting. Does that mean that we need htc to let us unlock our bootloader so we can install a rooted android os?

nvidia31337 said:
sorry I'm not so good with rooting. Does that mean that we need htc to let us unlock our bootloader so we can install a rooted android os?
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Yes or someone needs to find a new exploit for the new 2.20 to allow root.
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Yes. At the very least we need unlocked bootloader in order to install a custom recovery so we can install root.

I found this just a moment ago. I have no clue if these would work though.
http://www.scottsroms.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=193

newsteadmission said:
I found this just a moment ago. I have no clue if these would work though.
http://www.scottsroms.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=193
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You need to be rooted and bootloader unlocked to flash a ROM.
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newsteadmission said:
I found this just a moment ago. I have no clue if these would work though.
http://www.scottsroms.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=193
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Lol that rom is from one of our devs it's his website the rom is in the dev section its a rooted version of the update without the hboot. It does no good to anyone who took the ota that was locked and had no root prior to doing so.
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I'm afraid I'm not as versed in Android phones as I am with Apple. It seems that Android is a bit more complex. Well, I tried to help, hehe.
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You need to be rooted and bootloader unlocked to flash a ROM.
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Bounty
GuyIncognito721 said:
I'm just wondering as to the status of gaining root access on the AT&T 2.20 update. I just bought my HOX via a third party, and it came with 2.20, so right now I'm SOL.
I know ETA's don't typically exist, but will creating a bounty help move this along?
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I am willing to pay 10,000,000 Schrute bucks or 8,000,000,000,000 Stanley nickels to the champion.

no rootable?
well i just got my HTC One X today and the Software - is firmware right?- is 2.20.502.7 710RD. Is that really not unlockable n obody can root it ???

Fars666 said:
well i just got my HTC One X today and the Software - is firmware right?- is 2.20.502.7 710RD. Is that really not unlockable n obody can root it ???
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Unfortunately yes for now
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Fars666 said:
well i just got my HTC One X today and the Software - is firmware right?- is 2.20.502.7 710RD. Is that really not unlockable n obody can root it ???
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If you have a retail outlet around you (i.e. Best Buy, etc.), you can do what I did. Return the new phone and buy one from old shelf stock. If they received it before August then it's guaranteed to have firmware of 1.85 or older.

This is really bad!

any news or updates about being able to root 2.20? I have a HOX on 2.20 and i'm wondering if I should just sell it or wait

iKidRobot said:
any news or updates about being able to root 2.20? I have a HOX on 2.20 and i'm wondering if I should just sell it or wait
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As of now still no updates on when root will be achieved.
There is thread in the general section
Root 2.20 Think Tank
That is where you will find the most update info.
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