What will the impact of this update be?
wdkingery said:
What will the impact of this update be?
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The impact will be that it will update this phone to gingerbread. Neat, huh?
Now if you're talking rootability, how would we know until it's released? I won't take a chance. I think the update for the dhd is unrootable. When put on a stock phone, you're hosed.
For custom roms? I'm sure it'll be a good thing.
agreed. i don't think the inspire will ever get an unlocked rom direct from htc and especially not from at&t. if your interested (like i am) in a stock rom based on gingerbread wait for a developer to release a rooted version of the at&t update coming in august.
i just wish htc would add sense 3.0 to the coming rom, but i don't imagine that will ever happen either. thank goodness for the developers on here to make our phones what they could be from htc.
There's a new exploit, Fre3vo, that should work on the forthcoming Inspire GB update unless HTC patches it at the last minute which is not likely (it's already in the pipeline).
Gene Poole said:
There's a new exploit, Fre3vo, that should work on the forthcoming Inspire GB update unless HTC patches it at the last minute which is not likely (it's already in the pipeline).
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They are saving that for a later ota
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Move to android 2.3. A couple of fixes. Same laggy sense sadly.
Gene Poole said:
There's a new exploit, Fre3vo, that should work on the forthcoming Inspire GB update unless HTC patches it at the last minute which is not likely (it's already in the pipeline).
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I queried you with this on the other thread, but it looks like it's getting buried. From what I have seen, this just gives a temp root and doesn't break the nand security. I was wondering if perhaps you had seen some info I hadn't come across that indicated otherwise.
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fernandezhjr said:
I queried you with this on the other thread, but it looks like it's getting buried. From what I have seen, this just gives a temp root and doesn't break the nand security. I was wondering if perhaps you had seen some info I hadn't come across that indicated otherwise.
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You need temproot to change the version information. From there (with a goldcard), you can downgrade the ROM to the version that can be used with gfree to get S-OFF. Once you've got S-OFF you're home free!
Basically it's the same method as before, but using fre3vo instead of psneuter or rage (psneuter and rage exploits have been patched in latest HTC RUUs).
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You need temproot to change the version information. From there (with a goldcard), you can downgrade the ROM to the version that can be used with gfree to get S-OFF. Once you've got S-OFF you're home free!
Basically it's the same method as before, but using fre3vo instead of psneuter or rage (psneuter and rage exploits have been patched in latest HTC RUUs).
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So basically this is specific to the Inspire. We still benefit from having the ability to downgrade and exploit. I was wondering why it wouldn't perma root the EVO 3D. Thanks.
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fernandezhjr said:
So basically this is specific to the Inspire. We still benefit from having the ability to downgrade and exploit. I was wondering why it wouldn't perma root the EVO 3D. Thanks.
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Well, most any rooting procedure needs to get temproot at some point in the process. Fre3vo works on a lot of HTC GB RUUs, but I'm not sure if it works on other brands. The workings are still a closely guarded secret for now.
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I don't own an MT4G or Panache, but I started this thread for the inevitable arrival of Mobilicity & Videotron customers who would like to mod an HTC Panache. Once the MyTouch 4G Gingerbread update came out, it was found that the Fre3vo root exploit (originally found for the Sensation/Evo 3D) will also temp-root this phone. To get S-OFF you have to roll back to an old Froyo MT4G firmware - from there you can roll back forward to anything you want.
Differences between MT4G Gingerbread and Panache for the purpose of this thread:
- Panache requires a gold card because the ROM you roll back to comes from a different carrier.
- Your preferences in terms of what ROM to put on your phone after S-OFF may be different from T-Mobile customers - ergo, discuss here if this is an issue.
Thanks to jgobeil for posting the guide in post #98:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16858971&postcount=98
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Hi,
Now that the rooting guide for the Panache is completed and posted, may I suggest that you update the first post of the Panache thread to refer newcomers to this thread to post #98 where the guide is.
This will make it easy for these people and maybe avoid costly mistakes.
Best regards and thanks for your help.
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If Gingerbreak will work on it, that would be the only difference, instead rooting with Visionary+, they'll root with Gingerbreak and proceed with the same S-OFF guide, hopefully flashing engineering bootloader.
Jack_R1 said:
If Gingerbreak will work on it, that would be the only difference, instead rooting with Visionary+, they'll root with Gingerbreak and proceed with the same S-OFF guide, hopefully flashing engineering bootloader.
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What is gingerbreak??? Is there a new rooting method called gingerbreak?
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cmstlist said:
I don't own an MT4G or Panache, but I thought I'd start this thread for the inevitable arrival of Mobilicity & Videotron customers who would like to mod an HTC Panache.
Since it has launched with Gingerbread, I am guessing the initial root steps will be a little different. If any MT4G devs have any idea what Panache users should try differently, post it here.
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Dude then why the hell did you start this if you don't own one? Stick to your own forum!
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mark manning said:
Dude then why the hell did you start this if you don't own one? Stick to your own forum!
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Because I'm Canadian and using one of the new AWS carriers here, so I want to know as much as I can about the devices they release
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If Gingerbreak will work on it, that would be the only difference, instead rooting with Visionary+, they'll root with Gingerbreak and proceed with the same S-OFF guide, hopefully flashing engineering bootloader.
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There is someone else here on the forum who flashed the entire firmware of the Panache onto his MT4G and was unable to re-root with Gingerbreak even for temp root. Fortunately the user in question had Radio S-OFF so was eventually able to fix it. But this hints that Gingerbreak won't work.
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There is someone else here on the forum who flashed the entire firmware of the Panache onto his MT4G and was unable to re-root with Gingerbreak even for temp root. Fortunately the user in question had Radio S-OFF so was eventually able to fix it. But this hints that Gingerbreak won't work.
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That was me. And yes, none of the rooting methods out there will work on panache (including gingerbreak by SOC) firmware. I had to hboot-flash the stock 2.2.1 firmware and then was able to root.
chem.manish said:
That was me. And yes, none of the rooting methods out there will work on panache (including gingerbreak by SOC) firmware. I had to hboot-flash the stock 2.2.1 firmware and then was able to root.
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Thanks for clarifying. Of course you had S-OFF and the Mobi/Vtron Panache comes S-ON. So this leaves an open question of what is the first step to root the Panache.
chem.manish said:
That was me. And yes, none of the rooting methods out there will work on panache (including gingerbreak by SOC) firmware. I had to hboot-flash the stock 2.2.1 firmware and then was able to root.
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I just wanted to ask - you said you tried Gingerbreak and it didn't work. My question is, did you check if it at least provided you with temp root? Or it did nothing at all?
I got rooted. Just installed Rom manager to flash recovery and all is fine.
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I got rooted. Just installed Rom manager to flash recovery and all is fine.
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Could you explain all the steps you took to achieve this on the Panache?
I just read your thread and it looks like you actually had a MT4G running the Panache ROM. But was your phone already S-OFF? If so, that'd probably explain why Gingerbreak worked. Not sure that'd fly on a factory Installed Panache.
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Details on post I started, but its glacier used panache RUU.
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Yes it was s-off, but another user who did that could'nt root though he also was s-off
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I see. So it's still not clear what will or won't work with a factory S-ON Panache.
It's reported that Gingerbreak does not work with S-ON Panache, but what's unclear is whether it can still be used to achieve temp root. If it can, this suggests a way to force it to an earlier T-Mo RUU which will permit the use of the S-OFF kernel exploit.
as far i know, both are same hardware and you dont need s-off to use factory RUU. thus if i can use panache RUU regardless of s-off i can flash mytouch 4g RUU on panache.
atifsh said:
as far i know, both are same hardware and you dont need s-off to use factory RUU. thus if i can use panache RUU regardless of s-off i can flash mytouch 4g RUU on panache.
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You need at the very least temproot to edit the "misc" partition before flashing an older version bootloader RUU, otherwise it will reject it. Since it is not yet established that temproot works on factory S-ON Panache, there is no established way to downgrade the RUU. So there is still no clear pathway yet.
If you say so though I still think u dont need any sort of root for official RUU.exe
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An official RUU will fail, even with a gold card, if it's an older version than the current bootloader. All MT4G official firmwares are older than the Panache's. The only way around this is a root hack.
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An official RUU will fail, even with a gold card, if it's an older version than the current bootloader. All MT4G official firmwares are older than the Panache's. The only way around this is a root hack.
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ok i didnt know that, i thought its more like flashing a bios where it says u have this ver and willflash this
Okay so I see on the Mobilicity and Videotron Panache that it has peak speeds of 21 Mbps whereas the MT4G is 14.4, did they make a hardware change or is this in the firmware?
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I just wanted to ask - you said you tried Gingerbreak and it didn't work. My question is, did you check if it at least provided you with temp root? Or it did nothing at all?
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No, it didnt even temp root. As i said earlier i did not have a true s-off. I even tried flashing cwm through fastboot but bootloader didnt allow that (it should have if i had a true s-off).
Hey guys, not sure if this is already common knowledge or not, but our HTC rep stopped in today and said that the Inspire 4g was going to be getting Gingerbread OTA in the next couple of weeks. She seemed pretty keen on this stuff as she herself was running a rooted Inspire 4g and complimented my Evo running a Shift port.
Anyways, have fun in Inspire land!
Sweet! I hope she is right.
I hope so too, my fiance has a stock Inspire 4G and I'd love to see that with Gingerbread. The rep seemed pretty up on new tech.
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The Gingerbread OTA for the EVO that was released today has been rooted all ready....... So I don't see a problem with a locked bootloader.
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With the EVOs OTA that released today having locked boot loaders, I can't say I'm too excited about this until we know whether it has one or not.
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The Gingerbread OTA for the EVO that was released today has been rooted all ready....... So I don't see a problem with a locked bootloader.
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Was it rooted before it was put on the phone or after the ota update was on the phone. Because its easy to root a rom when its not on the phone, but its hard to s off a phone that has a locked bootloader.
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??? I am just looking at xHausx's post on the EVO board. So don't know.... But it is a rooted odexed and de-odexed version, fully functional. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038701
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Was it rooted before it was put on the phone or after the ota update was on the phone. Because its easy to root a rom when its not on the phone, but its hard to s off a phone that has a locked bootloader.
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??? I am just looking at xHausx's post on the EVO board. So don't know.... But it is a rooted odexed and de-odexed version, fully functional. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038701
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Thats the rooted rom from the update. What worries us is if some one does the ota update and is now stuck with a locked bootloader and no way to s-off. Which could happen on the inspire.
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Thats the rooted rom from the update. What worries us is if some one does the ota update and is now stuck with a locked bootloader and no way to s-off. Which could happen on the inspire.
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So similar to the way Apple operates? Shouldn't we always have the ability to flash signed roms/ radios like we do now?
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Thats the rooted rom from the update. What worries us is if some one does the ota update and is now stuck with a locked bootloader and no way to s-off. Which could happen on the inspire.
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Werent we all stuck with locked bootloaders when we bought our phones? And arent we all running rooted with s-off now??
That makes absolutley no difference. If the update comes, and the bootloader is replaced in the process with a signed one(I know they said they wouldn't, I haven't read about the evo update, but usually a locked bootloader is no big deal, a signed one is- if there's people making a big deal about it I'm assuming its signed)
then there's a good possibility you can never really flash a rom/kernel again, unless the bootloader is cracked. If anyone thinks that deb's will always get around this, look at the atrix. Ya it may get cracked eventually, could be years though.
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That makes absolutley no difference. If the update comes, and the bootloader is replaced in the process with a signed one(I know they said they wouldn't, I haven't read about the evo update, but usually a locked bootloader is no big deal, a signed one is- if there's people making a big deal about it I'm assuming its signed)
then there's a good possibility you can never really flash a rom/kernel again, unless the bootloader is cracked. If anyone thinks that deb's will always get around this, look at the atrix. Ya it may get cracked eventually, could be years though.
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Is there a chance that a rooted device could download this update accidentally (ala iOS?)
Well, the way i see it, everyone said that about the G2 and it is now probably the easiest phone to root
ST3ALTHPSYCH0 said:
Is there a chance that a rooted device could download this update accidentally (ala iOS?)
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Technically, no.Some devs put FOTA KILL in the roms to disable the service responsible for OTA's so the devices cannot receive them.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1031938
Well I am wishing that HTC will stand behind what they said about not locking bootloaders. I hope...... that they had the OTA in the hands of Sprint way before they made that statement.
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Well I am wishing that HTC will stand behind what they said about not locking bootloaders. I hope...... that they had the OTA in the hands of Sprint way before they made that statement.
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Well if the Inspire is getting it in a couple of weeks, how long do you think AT&T has had it?
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I have not seen any leaked Roms for the Inspire gb update, so my hope is AT&T doesn't have it yet...... Just a hope.
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Well if the Inspire is getting it in a couple of weeks, how long do you think AT&T has had it?
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This is cool for non root users but I can't imagine being rooted without GB at this point.
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This is cool for non root users but I can't imagine being rooted without GB at this point.
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It's pretty cool for inspired ace users too, seems like there's people who like there roms as close to stock as possable and as soon as we get an inspire based gingerbread we can use that as a base to build off of, without any problems like tinny audio or speed issues.
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It's pretty cool for inspired ace users too, seems like there's people who like there roms as close to stock as possable and as soon as we get an inspire based gingerbread we can use that as a base to build off of, without any problems like tinny audio or speed issues.
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I have seen this work on older phones like the original myTouch 3g and the 3g Slide, so i was just wondering if this was possible to achieve at least root (no S-off) and if so would there be a way to get S-off?
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I have seen this work on older phones like the original myTouch 3g and the 3g Slide, so i was just wondering if this was possible to achieve at least root (no S-off) and if so would there be a way to get S-off?
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Are you talking about the mt4gs? We already have soff and root.
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Are you talking about the mt4gs? We already have soff and root.
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No, we don't.
Some people do, but anyone who has the latest OTA can't gain root (at least until HTC fixes their unlocker tool).
I remember making a gold card 2 years ago for the original Mytouch for a friend. Using a hex editor. What does that actually do though?
I dont have S-Off cuz i was dumb and did the OTA before i rooted. I was just asking to add possibilities out there. Would it really be possible though, it be pretty nice if we got at least custom recover from it.
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izzy001 said:
I dont have S-Off cuz i was dumb and did the OTA before i rooted. I was just asking to add possibilities out there. Would it really be possible though, it be pretty nice if we got at least custom recover from it.
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If your S-Off there's methods to get Clockwork back on.
HTC is going to FIX (Yes Fix) the OTA Update to allow S-Off, and Root. I called T-Mo, and HTC. My Uncle wanted his Doubleshot Rooted, but couldn't because he (Stupidly) updated.
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Hey All:
EVO 4g and Nexus 4G user here with a son that has a EVO Shift 4G - and has now expressed interest in having his phone rooted like mine (Like father - like son...).
Anyway, the new 2.77.651.3 OTA came a couple days ago and he upgraded before I could root the phone.
So, I'll ask the obvious - is root still possible after the update and if so, what's the best root method?
Thanks from a longtime XDA user who reads a lot and doesn't post much...
JOHN
Yes. Check this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1482851
Looking into getting s-off.
With the update being so new, things are still trying to be figured out. Check this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1482851
Also according to the post by nurrwick, there is a work around to achieve s-off using the unlocked tool in combo with the 2.3.3 downgrade method. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1482860
Just from what I've gathered, the htc unlock tool has to be used in order to achieve any kind of root on the latest update.
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i tried this today out of boredom, its the SAME process as the 2.3.3 downgrade to get s-off, they didnt patch the exploit.
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i tried this today out of boredom, its the SAME process as the 2.3.3 downgrade to get s-off, they didnt patch the exploit.
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Yes but did you use fr3evo to get temp root?
What are the chances that the bootloader will be unlockable?
I'm assuming that the HOX I get won't come with the latest OS updates?
Last thing I want is a HOX that can't be unlocked (bootloader).
Thanks guys!
I'd assume new devices from at&t will have the latest unrootable version of the firmware
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I'd assume new devices from at&t will have the latest unrootable version of the firmware
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Crap!
I don't want to be stuck with the bloated stock room.
Go buy it at a store. Open it up and check. V
Just got a One X from my local AT&T Store... 2.20 on all of them (or so I was told). I think it's a bit late to hope to get a 1.85 from the store, but best of luck. Now I just keep my fingers crossed for a root method for 2.20.
firlt athowith
So just to be clear: at the moment, a HOX that comes with 2.20 cannot be rooted to flash custom roms.
Am I right?
that is correct
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Well crap.
Now I can't decide what phone to get.
I love the HOX screen but on the other hand, I can root the GS3 instantly and flash an AOSKP rom and get rid of touchwiz.
Wonder how long it will take for 2.20 to be unlocked.
what to do....what to do.
I don't believe it is unrootable. I think we just haven't found a way to do it yet. I may be wrong and if I am then can someone elaborate?
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ruffdogtechy said:
I don't believe it is unrootable. I think we just haven't found a way to do it yet. I may be wrong and if I am then can someone elaborate?
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Even if there is 0% chance to root 2.20, there may be exploits in newer versions.
I used to have an HTC aria, which shipped with hboot .57, but (I believe) s-off wasn't discovered until it's hboot was updated to 1.02
Moral of my story: There is almost always a way to get around security measures
But how long will it take? Who knows. I'm sure someone will make a breakthrough eventually
Dude, just get the s3. Going from a rooted phone to a locked down phone sucks balls. I can't wait to see what next year brings for phones, as I can upgrade in July. That being said, the one x is an awesome phone,even without root. Stock 2.20 is more stable than any rooted ROM I have ever run I don't have many complaints other than being locked down at all. I know I contradict my self, but it basically comes down to only one thing. You want root, get a different phone. But you will be missing out on a good phone IMO.
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