A couple weeks ago, I noticed my Galaxy S II wasn't syncing up with the charger properly - It would disconnect in odd successions for no reason unless I had the phone positioned JUST right. Figuring I'd take it into AT&T when I had a day off work I took to just charging it in my car. (Easier to position the phone at the proper angle for charger to sync)
One cold evening (upper 30's) I left my phone in the car for a few hours - and returned to find my phone screen full of splinters and cracks. - - When turning on the phone, the screen is black and the touch sensitive buttons are completely unresponsive.
However, The power & volume buttons do work. (I can hear incoming emails/texts) so the phone is receiving data - but I can't answer calls, etc.
I am now back & forthing w/ Samsung in order to get a replacement - I feel like this shouldn't be something I even have to fight for. - - What are your thoughts?
Tell them when it exploded, you were personally injured. Fear of Law Suit will do wonders to your case.
I had the same issue with my wall charger last week. I had to keep the phone in upright position to get it to charge. Fortunately, I threw tht charger and got a new USB cable.
Its charging well now.
I cant even claim warrenty as I got this phone off craigslist.
My thoughts??? Leaving 800$ phone in freezing temperatures for a few hours is F***in DUMB!!! You serious man? Samsung will not give you a replacement. This is as stupid as saying i decided to go white water rafting with the phone in my pocket.
Guy doesn't take care of his phone and expects Samsung to fix it
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Is it stated anywhere in the user manual (probably in the warnings/safety part of it) to not leave the phone in the cold for extended periods of time, or anything of the like? If so, I'd say it's a no go for a warranty, but if not, could tell them that there was no statement that the phone could not handle colder temperatures.
Ehh, my phone has survived a few nights in the 30's, my Thunderbolt. I'd at least give the folks a call and see what they can do - I do believe most normal phones can survive something as minor as those temperatures.
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lije927 said:
Ehh, my phone has survived a few nights in the 30's, my Thunderbolt. I'd at least give the folks a call and see what they can do - I do believe most normal phones can survive something as minor as those temperatures.
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when you have a phone thats worth more than most laptops, game consoles and almost TVs, YOU DONT TRY STUPID SHIZZ LIKE THAT!!!! I hope samsung doesnt give you a new phone, honestly im not being an ass, but i think cases like this should be on America's dumbest consumers, along with the people who wait in line for iphone and other who peper spray others for black friday deals
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My thoughts??? Leaving 800$ phone in freezing temperatures for a few hours is F***in DUMB!!! You serious man? Samsung will not give you a replacement. This is as stupid as saying i decided to go white water rafting with the phone in my pocket.
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Polish Pat, are YOU serious? You're comparing exposure to cold weather to exposure to water. You're making a statement like that, and you're calling another forum member dumb and stupid? The next time you go snow skiing when it's below freezing, maybe you should shove your skyrocket up your...ascot...so it doesn't get cold. If Samsung can't make a phone to survive a few hours of cold weather, then they shouldn't be in the business. But that's not the case. It was a defective or previously damaged phone, plain and simple.
Instead of bashing other people coming on this forum looking to share experiences and find some answers, you could try to be a little more helpful. Just sayin'...
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Is it stated anywhere in the user manual (probably in the warnings/safety part of it) to not leave the phone in the cold for extended periods of time, or anything of the like? If so, I'd say it's a no go for a warranty, but if not, could tell them that there was no statement that the phone could not handle colder temperatures.
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The upper 30s is not cold it is not even bellow freezing.
Now -30 sure that is cold
Commercial grade: 0 °C to 70 °C (sometimes −10 °C to 70 °C)
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honestly im not being an ass
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Actually, you kinda are. You're getting angry at a guy who didn't do anything to you. And what he did with his phone isn't out of line. His screen should not have cracked for any reason other than breaking it by force. You're overreacting. Maybe you shouldn't have a phone this expensive if the idea of someone else "abusing" theirs is too much for you.
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Polish Pat, are YOU serious? You're comparing exposure to cold weather to exposure to water. You're making a statement like that, and you're calling another forum member dumb and stupid? The next time you go snow skiing when it's below freezing, maybe you should shove your skyrocket up your...ascot...so it doesn't get cold. If Samsung can't make a phone to survive a few hours of cold weather, then they shouldn't be in the business. But that's not the case. It was a defective or previously damaged phone, plain and simple.
Instead of bashing other people coming on this forum looking to share experiences and find some answers, you could try to be a little more helpful. Just sayin'...
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hey buddy, there is a difference between having a phone in a car where its freezing and a phone in a coat that DESIGNED TO SHIELD YOU FROM THE COLD!!! And yes this is dumb to leave a phone in the cold, in case you dont inderstand the mechanics of an lcd screen, the liquid does not support the expansion of heat or the compression of cold. Take it or leave it but YOU DONT LEAVE THE PHONE IN THE COLD FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME
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The upper 30s is not cold it is not even bellow freezing.
Now -30 sure that is cold
Commercial grade: 0 °C to 70 °C (sometimes −10 °C to 70 °C)
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they are obvisouly talking about farenheit
And for all the other haters saying im an ass, go ahead, leave your phone in the cold and see how lucky you'll be trying to get it fixed by samsung
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when you have a phone thats worth more than most laptops, game consoles and almost TVs, YOU DONT TRY STUPID SHIZZ LIKE THAT!!!! I hope samsung doesnt give you a new phone, honestly im not being an ass, but i think cases like this should be on America's dumbest consumers, along with the people who wait in line for iphone and other who peper spray others for black friday deals
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Ure a dumbass
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There is no REQUIREMENT to be a consumer of this product. I dont believe that an average Joe (consumer) would understand the mechanics of a lcd screen nor it is required.
With that being said, there is no need for name calling as you did. It is human to make mistakes and forget things regardless of how knowledgable you are.
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There is no REQUIREMENT to be a consumer of this product. I dont believe that an average Joe (consumer) would understand the mechanics of a lcd screen nor it is required.
With that being said, there is no need for name calling as you did. It is human to make mistakes and forget things regardless of how knowledgable you are.
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**** like this will NEVER happen to me and my respect for 800$ phones! Yes, i was harsh, but its because of cases like this, LEGIT people with flawed screen are passed in the same category as variable damaged phones.
The point is, YOU DONT LEAVE you phone in the cold, its not designed for it, it MIGHT survive in some cases, and not in others. But responsiblity has to be taken for a person who "forgets" his phone in cold weather, juts like it has to be taken for those who drop it in water. It's not the same thing, but the outcome is the same, need for repair, for an outside policy case
Manual says 0°C to 45°C. Upper 30s is in range.
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**** like this will NEVER happen to me and my respect for 800$ phones! Yes, i was harsh, but its because of cases like this, LEGIT people with flawed screen are passed in the same category as variable damaged phones.
The point is, YOU DONT LEAVE you phone in the cold, its not designed for it, it MIGHT survive in some cases, and not in others. But responsiblity has to be taken for a person who "forgets" his phone in cold weather, juts like it has to be taken for those who drop it in water. It's not the same thing, but the outcome is the same, need for repair, for an outside policy case
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I understand what your trying to say but don't use assumption to make your argument.
You dont know that this kind of problem will get passed as the same category. Are you really that familar with policies and procedures of Samsung electronics? or are you just assuming that it will get passed on as the same category as lets say the people with lines and blobs problem? Even if it is a true case, people will always and will ALWAYS will try to plead their case in trying to avoid paying for a brand new phone and abuse their warranty policies. And there is nothing we can do about it. (Not saying this guy is.)
As far as leaving the phone in his car goes, let's leave it up to the professionals of samsung and see if he actually does get his new phone with his kind of damage. It is up to them whether or not they want to replace it for him. Plain and simple. Not up to us.
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Manual says 0°C to 45°C. Upper 30s is in range.
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Sounds like a perfectly good claim to me then. The device didn't operate according to its specifications and malfunctioned. Not a user-end problem. Yeah, he left it in the cold, but it should NOT have malfunctioned like it did, according to their set specifications for operating temperatures.
Really bud? Think about what you said, a blob or a line is a manufacturer flaw. A cracked screen is not, its physical damage. Leave your phone on the counter for thousands of years, it will never crack. Leave it in your car when its cold, it will. All manufacturers have the same policy, USER CAUSED ISSUES are not covered in any standard warranty except for the Asus Accidental Damage warranty, which to my knowledge is only valid on laptops.
Here is the part from samsung warranty policy about whats NOT covered:
What is Not Covered? This Limited Warranty is conditioned upon proper use of Product by Purchaser. This Limited Warranty does not cover: (a) defects or damage resulting from accident, misuse, abuse, neglect, unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress, or modification of any part of Product, including antenna, or cosmetic damage; (b) equipment that has the serial number removed or made illegible; (c) any plastic surfaces or other externally exposed parts that are scratched or damaged due to normal use; (d) malfunctions resulting from the use of Product in conjunction with accessories, products, or ancillary/peripheral equipment not furnished or approved by SAMSUNG; (e) defects or damage from improper testing, operation, maintenance, installation, or adjustment; (f) installation, maintenance, and service of Product, or (g) Product used or purchased outside the United States or Canada.
So i can GUARANTEE this specific problem with OP is not covered.
Well enough with the trolling, good luck OP, and may this be a lesson for you, and anybody who doesnt treat an 800$ phone like if it was a diamond incrusted phone
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Sounds like a perfectly good claim to me then. The device didn't operate according to its specifications and malfunctioned. Not a user-end problem. Yeah, he left it in the cold, but it should NOT have malfunctioned like it did, according to their set specifications for operating temperatures.
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good luck trying to prove your phone was 3 degree above rated operation temperature...to them, it was on a bath of liquid nitrogen.
"This Limited Warranty does not cover: (a) defects or damage resulting from accident, misuse, abuse, neglect, unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress
Even if it did crack above freezing temperature, and within range of manuf rating temp, this is UNUSUAL ELECTROMECHANICAL STRESS
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Even if it did crack above freezing temperature, and within range of manuf rating temp, this is UNUSUAL ELECTROMECHANICAL STRESS
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Sitting in a car in cold weather doesn't really qualify as electromechanical stress....
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In regards to the overheating defect causing the newton ring please scroll to the second post on this page
Regarding the newton ring touch screen issue
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=916793#post916793
I'd post it in the TP or Diamond forums, but I know its happened to older models as well.
for those of you that don't want to jump forums here's the posting:
Scroll down to the bold area if you already read the top.
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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...&postcount=338
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...&postcount=339
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=49405
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=66509
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...mond+has+worms
Like many of you I also got hit with the newton ring on the screen of my AT&T branded HTC Touch Pro.
HTC said that it was caused by a pressure point and the screen was not flat, not a defect, thus causing the touch function to stop working. Thus, HTC said that I would have to pay $202.50 or .60, to have it repaired.
And after repairing, since we all know what the real problem is, they give you 90 days repair warranty, but since they originally said it was my fault, if it happens again, I'm screwed, yet again!
Obviously, we all know that we baby our phones and would never exact our phone's screens to any amounts of pressure past the screens limit.
And we all know that these phones have a tendency to overheat when used for prolonged periods of time - when used as a GPS in your car and charging simultaneously.
Are we not supposed to use our phones for GPS when it comes with the GPS Antennae installed?
Is it really the consumers fault when I'm sure hundreds of people have experienced the same ugly newton ring rainbow rectangle or circle on their nice new Touch Pro or Diamond screen?
It's outrageous how much these pretty devices cost just to have the screen first get an ugly rainbow rectangle, and then it causes the touch function to die. What if you happen to have the Diamond, and are out alone somewhere, and because of the newton ring, your touch function dies, and you need to call 911 because you need help?! What are you going to do?!? You don't have a slide-out keyboard as a backup!
And what about everyone that's going to buy the Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2, and everyone that has older HTC models with this same problem? Doesn't it outrage you that this problem still exists, and instead of owning up and creating a better touchscreen that could deal with the overheating, HTC would rather just have us pay them over and over?! Maybe this is how they'll get the funding to make a better screen.......
Here's a bunch of different forums with threads about the same problem to document that tons of people are also having to deal with it; some say HTC repaired under warranty, some say they had to call HTC a bunch of times and complain to get it repaired under warranty, or there's those like me who haven't yet tried calling back because we don't know what to say to get them to repair under warranty and not user abuse:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439410
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502271
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=185986
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...hlight=rainbow
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ight=rectangle -- person sent in their phone and received the same response
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ight=rectangle
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432559
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428262
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ight=rectangle
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...hlight=rainbow
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ht=spot+screen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475294
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...hlight=rainbow the second occurance for this person
they said my screen wasn't flat, maybe they did that themselves?--->
http://www.modaco.com/content/smartp...ntre-problems/
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Ok so can you at least tell me what I need to say to HTC to get it repaired under the warranty? Or am I pretty much cluster-F-ed since they said the screen wasn't flat, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever since I know how much pressure to apply to the screen - BASICALLY NO PRESSURE!
any advice since my phone is currently in Indianapolis at HTC and I only have 9 days left to respond before they charge the $35 and send it back
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ok so HTC originally told me that the screen wasn't flat because it had a pressure point.. well either they did that themselves or, DUH, heat causes things to warp, and I know this whole problem was because the phone was constantly overheating!
Now I just need to know what to say over the phone to have them own up to their damn overheating issue and fix the thing for free!
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41724&page=51 his phone overheats
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=575259&postcount=540
and yes mine gets too hot to hold or touch for that matter when its charging and 1. the screen is on. 2. the screen is on and i'm using gps. 3. the screen is on during a call. 4. the screen is on during a speakerphone call.
so how the heck am I supposed to use the phone while its charging during a call? It gets too hot! The back where the battery resides reaches almost to the point of a burning temperature it feels only a hairline away from burning my hand!
the proof of the Touch Pro's overheating:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1076262.html basically my problem
http://forums.verizon.com/vrzn/board/message?board.id=Smartphone&thread.id=1390 read the last post
http://forums.crackberry.com/f21/htc-touch-pro-93498/ its mixed around in posts
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-179994.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=47032
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=56431 DIAMOND AND TP
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/n...s-of-overheat/ scroll to Yankees368 post:
"then why the hell does by HTC Touch Pro (CDMA, Sprint) not get recalled. This thing could cook an egg, and actually stops charging while making a call, as it over heats."
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/27/...battery?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget SCROLL DOWN TO SCRAPMAKER'S POST:
"My HTC Pro on Sprint easily got to 127F all the time. More than 30 people complained about it too. I guess HTC just doesn't give a damn... It got too hot to hold on regular phone calls. After an hour-long phone call, the battery would be nearly drained, even while plugged into the charger. Radio portion of phone would register 116-127F. I swear I thought the plastic would warp after time. I also thought maybe my phone was defective, so I went through 6 of them until I gave up and went back to my original Touch.My HTC Pro on Sprint easily got to 127F all the time. More than 30 people complained about it too. I guess HTC just doesn't give a damn... It got too hot to hold on regular phone calls. After an hour-long phone call, the battery would be nearly drained, even while plugged into the charger. Radio portion of phone would register 116-127F. I swear I thought the plastic would warp after time. I also thought maybe my phone was defective, so I went through 6 of them until I gave up and went back to my original Touch."
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=750539&postcount=46 quoted here:
"I had this issue last week and though the phone was messed up. When I saw this, I laughed so hard my coworkers thought I was crazy. LOL
I went into a Sprint repair store on the weekend and the representative there informed me that while I'm surfing the internet I shouldn't have the charger plugged in. I noticed that while I'm using the phone as a GPS or just talking on the phone while it's on the charger it heats up. WTF... you can't use and charge your phone at the same time? What a Crock... LOL"
REALLY? WE CAN'T CHARGE AND USE THE PHONE AT THE SAME TIME? IS THAT SO? HMMM..MY POINT EXACTLY.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=753675&postcount=60 ouch! i know what he means!
Overheating Diamonds (dont know if they are with or without the heatsync, depends on each person's phone)--
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news.aspx?id=39434&fid=150
http://forums.intomobile.com/htc/79159-htc-touch-diamond-overheated-help-please.html
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-179994.html
SHADOW-
http://www.htcwiki.com/thread/1152436/Shadow+overheating?t=anon
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ok well today's Monday aka the day I call HTC and attempt to plead my case! Can't believe almost 200 views of the thread and none of you gave any input. Hopefully none of you run into the same problem I'm having!
(keep in mind there was some liquid that snuck under the right side of the screen, BUT MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THE HEAT MELTED THE SEAL that protects the screen from getting things like rain underneath it).
Ok I called and got this answer:
Pressure point in the middle of the screen caused the rectangle, the liquid on the right side of the screen voids the warranty anyway, we have no way to determine which event happened first.
The tech says that it was clearly caused by a pressure point and was not a battery issue (apparently she did or didn't bring up the overheating battery BEFORE i even mentioned when I called them today, I doubt she did).
Ok so your battery overheats, well I suggest you get a new battery when you get your phone back. (because it's definintely not defective and definitely wouldn't be the reason that 1. the phone warped from the extreme overheating causing the said "pressure point." 2. the overheating may have melted whatever seal that protects the lcd from outside factors like RAIN, thus allowing some liquid to enter the screen)
Many customers read blogs, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE BLOGS SAY because we work on a case by case basis.
Thanks I'm going to have to call you back.
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Oh hell no.
omg my touch also overheats, thanks for informing
Sorry not very constructive post I know but, .....yet another example of p*ss poor HTC manufacturing.
I'm glad I returned my Diamond to the ebay seller I bought it from here in the UK under the "Sales Of Goods Act". At least here in the UK we have proper laws protecting us against this sort of thing, in America your f*cked.
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OK here you go for you UK people (at least I can give you an idea). Sales of Goods Act says that a product must be of "merchantable quality" and it must be "fit for purpose". This issue you guys describes falls under both of these.
1 - Merchantable quality: The device must be of sufficient quality for the price i.e. Cars/motorbikes for example are covered under this for 6 six years - ignore warranty, these are pretty much irrelevant when you compare it to the sales of goods act. The same goes for your phone. Now, its unreasonable to expect a phone to last 6 years however, as many people buy phones on an 18month contract its perfectly acceptable to expect the device to last 18 months. IF IT FAILS IN THIS TIME THROUGH A HARDWARE FAULT AND HAS NOT BEEN MISTREATED, you can return it and ask them to repair it at no cost to yourself. If they don't, take them to small claims court. YOU MUST ask them first though.
2 - Fit for purpose: The phone has a GPS and can be charged whilst on. The device is designed to be used as a navigation tool. If you cannot charge the phone AND use the GPS (i.e. car charger/navigation) then it is NOT FIT FOR THE PURPOSE it was designed for. Note, ANY function the phone can perform and was designed to do, no matter how minor, is covered by this act. You have every right to return the phone for a refund if its unable to perform its designed for functions.
Link regarding Sales of Goods Act
Salient points:
• Wherever goods are bought they must "conform to contract". This means they must be as described, fit for purpose and of satisfactory quality (i.e. not inherently faulty at the time of sale).<<<=== GPS/Overheating issues
• Aspects of quality include fitness for purpose, freedom from minor defects (this would include your GPS/Charging issue), appearance and finish, durability (you must be able to put the phone to your ear without fear of bending the screen) and safety.
I have used the Sales Of Goods act many times and will continue to. Some examples, I returned my Tdiamond to its ebay seller as it wouldn't play music without skipping. I had an argument with my Aprilia dealer regarding my bike (check sig). They insisted it was out of warranty and they wouldn't repair a fault - I then forced the SHOP to repair it under Sales of Goods.
I urge all UK purchases to look up these rules for yourself and look into this. You ARE covered. Return it to the reseller and give them a chance to resolve. Make manufacturers of sh*tty equipment learn that we will not tolerate it.
Monty I couldn't agree with you more about using the Sale of Goods Act. The attempt at 'distancing' themselves from the products they sell, as well as the arrogance inflicted on consumers, by too many retailers, is appalling.
Still the Depression that's coming is going to sort them out in spades, that's for sure, and the Customer will be returned to their proper place in the hierarchy - the top.
You didn't seriously buy a second Aprilia did you? I do love their designs, but after sorting out a lot of problems with my friends Futura (could have been the best touring bike ever that, if not spoiled by chronically underspec wiring, lack of earthing, stuff like that), I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.
These days I'm sort of superglued to a Honda Hornet 900 (and a little P'd off that Mr Honda has stopped making it) - the 919 as it is known in the States. Possibly the best allround bike I've ever owned. I'd cheerfully jump on that bike and go anywhere, and know it would get me there and also get me back. Also have an amazing V twin as well - a Honda Bros 650 (Hawk in the States), and a PoS BMW (I'll never buy one of them again).
Happy biking mate.
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Still the Depression that's coming is going to sort them out in spades, that's for sure, and the Customer will be returned to their proper place in the hierarchy - the top.....
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Indeed... now is the Darwin time for shops and business.... adapt or collapse.
Maybe this is the time companies like HTC who produce "luxury" items that are poorly made will start suffering and well, either adapt or die.
(and yes I did and it has actually been pretty good even though i'm doing 100miles a day!)
My girlfriend has sent her phone back to Vodafone twice now due to overheating.
It gets progressivly worse each time until the phone gets stuck on the "HTC" white screen.
The problem there is that we send it back, They flash it and they send it back as "Working"
If it happens this time I'm going to demand a new phone because I've had enough!
My BlackStone/Touch HD
Have also a newton Ring... But you can´t see it a lot of times.. But sometimes on really strong sun you can see it when you are looking from another angle
Hello,
I've owned my Sony Xperia Z3 Device for about 3-4 months and i've always kept a Case onit (Tudia Case) Today i had dropped it, and noticed the frame next to the dock connection has popped out, I went to Tesco's they told me They wont replace it because it is a 'accidental damage' not a electrical fault however i've noticed i'm only getting 2-3 bars, Will Sony Replace this?
do you really think they should, given there's no real fault on their part - ask them for a quote for an out of warranty repair maybe.......
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do you really think they should, given there's no real fault on their part - ask them for a quote for an out of warranty repair maybe.......
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Well yeah, i mean paying for something that's £500 and then discovering it develops a metal deformation after a drop, That's ridiculous? Would it not irritate you if your device suddenly developed an issue where the metal frame stuck out and slightly bent? This is absolute bull****, Plus it is an issue as i've found it's got an impact on the Wifi/Network, Well that's my theory due to the fact my bars are sticking on 2/3 bars and WiFi is absolutely shocking right now, sometimes it wont even connect.
But in their eyes, you dropped it.
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But in their eyes, you dropped it.
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Bit stupid to be fair, Surely the warranty should cover Accidental damage & Technical faults, meh, Do you reckon if i buy insurance they'll replace it for me?
no because that would be fraud and it's generally illegal.....
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no because that would be fraud and it's generally illegal.....
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How so?
(I'm talking about third party insurance such as protectyourbubble.co.uk
If i purchase insurance surely they would cover me? Afterall that's what i'm paying for....
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Decided to stop wasting my time and tried some DIY, Managed to push the metal back in it's got a small ripple, and a few very hair line scratches which are unnoticeable, However if it bothers me toomuch I'll just purchase a new frame for the phone and assemble the device into that
I URGE EVERYONE TO PUT A FLIPCASE ON YOUR DEVICE TO PREVENT ANY BENDING/METAL POPPING!
It didn't 'develop' a "metal deformation", you dropped it.
"warranty should cover Accidental damage" Are you serious? If you accidentally crash your car, the person you bought it from should give you a new one?
"If i purchase insurance surely they would cover me?" Insurance is a product that is sold on a risk basis, where there is some risk that you might make a claim, not a 100% chance of you making a claim.
I'm not sure if you are trolling... Or if this is really the way you think things work.
it's not entirely dissimilar to the continuous play fraud where broken PS3s were being sourced via ebay, and then repaired improperly using sony's in-house policy - needless to say the scheme was closed off to new subscribers, and the bar was almost certainly raised for those seeking an independent guarantee repair due to the cynicism generated - whilst I agree that some repair quotes are excessive and some consumers are incorrectly asked to pay for a defect sony simply don't want to acknowledge, the two aspects I'm not comfortable with are (a) blatantly dishonest claims; and (b) hair trigger claims for a brand new replacement because their back panel is a billionth of a millimetre out with no clear indication of prejudice - there's no guarantee that sony will continue to produce handsets in the middle or the longterm, and people perhaps need to bear that in mind before flagging that they're on their fourth Z3 which they'll probably return immediately before the statutory guarantee expires..... general comment by the way, and not aimed at the OP who can take his own decisions.
Hello Friends,
In May I bought a S8+ for Indian Rupees 64999 and in less than 8 weeks all of a sudden the screen started flickering when kept on charge. I handed over the phone to the service center in Mumbai, India. I asked for a replacement handset and they said they will repair it for free and give me an additional 12 months added warranty. After spending ten days with my phone and back and forth over calls, this is the response received from Samsung customer care:
What I fail to understand is that - Not once has my phone even touched water than how are they saying "water log" can someone who knows more on this please help, I am going to challenge this legally and need help, please advise.
Dear Mr. Shah,
Greetings!
This is in regards to the complaint of your Samsung Handset model number (SM-G955FZKDINS), bearing serial number (RZXXXXMRWJ).
It is our best endeavor to provide you with impeccable product experience at Samsung.
Having said that, we always believe that our customers are the best judge and may help with improving our products. Therefore, we take every feedback with an assurance of improvement with every passing day.
This is in line with the terms and conditions mentioned in our warranty card provided with every product at the time of sale. In this case, the consumer has to bear the expenses of the repair as once the product is water log.
Therefore, we request you to bare with our efforts to serve you better by allowing us to replace your unit part on a chargeable basis. As such the total cost of repair would be Rs. (24472.78).
In conclusion, based on our discussion, we would not be able to cater your request for Replacement of your product.
Rest assured that we are taking all possible measures to ensure resolution in shortest possible time to your utmost satisfaction.
We value your relationship with Samsung and assure you of our best services, always.
Liquid Damage Indicator (LDI)
shahdave said:
Hello Friends,
In May I bought a S8+ for Indian Rupees 64999 and in less than 8 weeks all of a sudden the screen started flickering when kept on charge. I handed over the phone to the service center in Mumbai, India. I asked for a replacement handset and they said they will repair it for free and give me an additional 12 months added warranty. After spending ten days with my phone and back and forth over calls, this is the response received from Samsung customer care:
What I fail to understand is that - Not once has my phone even touched water than how are they saying "water log" can someone who knows more on this please help, I am going to challenge this legally and need help, please advise.
Dear Mr. Shah,
Greetings!
This is in regards to the complaint of your Samsung Handset model number (SM-G955FZKDINS), bearing serial number (RZXXXXMRWJ).
It is our best endeavor to provide you with impeccable product experience at Samsung.
Having said that, we always believe that our customers are the best judge and may help with improving our products. Therefore, we take every feedback with an assurance of improvement with every passing day.
This is in line with the terms and conditions mentioned in our warranty card provided with every product at the time of sale. In this case, the consumer has to bear the expenses of the repair as once the product is water log.
Therefore, we request you to bare with our efforts to serve you better by allowing us to replace your unit part on a chargeable basis. As such the total cost of repair would be Rs. (24472.78).
In conclusion, based on our discussion, we would not be able to cater your request for Replacement of your product.
Rest assured that we are taking all possible measures to ensure resolution in shortest possible time to your utmost satisfaction.
We value your relationship with Samsung and assure you of our best services, always.
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There is something called a liquid damage indicator in the SIM compartment, it's similar to litmus paper that indicates the presence of acid or an alkali by changing colour. In this instance the LDI determines whether a liquid (water) has entered the device.
It may well be that the water was introduced at the service centre, but without a before and after shot taken whilst you were at the service centre, this would be nigh on impossible to prove. Good luck with your legal challenge.
Screen flickering is also indicative of water damage.
dynospectrum said:
Screen flickering is also indicative of water damage.
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But I have been extra cautious with the phone, especially when the price tag is a over US$1000 for which I am asked to shell out US$400 now, I am wondering how can water enter without me exposing it to water?
kxdaorbit said:
There is something called a liquid damage indicator in the SIM compartment, it's similar to litmus paper that indicates the presence of acid or an alkali by changing colour. In this instance the LDI determines whether a liquid (water) has entered the device.
It may well be that the water was introduced at the service centre, but without a before and after shot taken whilst you were at the service centre, this would be nigh on impossible to prove. Good luck with your legal challenge.
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Thanks for sharing the detailed explanation, so there is no way to prove it, if I am facing this others too may have faced it, could mine be an exception?
shahdave said:
Thanks for sharing the detailed explanation, so there is no way to prove it, if I am facing this others too may have faced it, could mine be an exception?
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I'm not too sure whether humidity can cause this? Maybe a prolonged spell in the bathroom ? I have seen some posts alluding to the same situation as yours, on this and other device forums.
Maybe the thing to do, is to search for this topic and then reach out to those complainants to see how or if their issue was resolved.
kxdaorbit said:
I'm not too sure whether humidity can cause this? Maybe a prolonged spell in the bathroom ? I have seen some posts alluding to the same situation as yours, on this and other device forums.
Maybe the thing to do, is to search for this topic and then reach out to those complainants to see how or if their issue was resolved.
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Thanks once again for spending time and reverting back, I am not sure if humidity would be a factor, cause than - what would the effect be on non water resistant phones, just a thought. Also like I said I have not let water touch the phone let alone take it in a shower.
Sure I will research other posts and forums to see what are others experiences, thanks once again
And here I thought the S8+ was water resistant.... Surely the IP68 rating isn't just so much marketing hot air?
wow and they label it with IP68 in huge ads! Really it should have been replaced without any additional cost...
Feel really bad for you man.
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But I have been extra cautious with the phone, especially when the price tag is a over US$1000 for which I am asked to shell out US$400 now, I am wondering how can water enter without me exposing it to water?
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Sometimes sweat can cause the issue of the water damage. If you're in a hot sweaty environment you should put your phone in a zip lock bag. You can goole it and there are plenty of instances where sweat alone has caused the issue.
kxdaorbit said:
I'm not too sure whether humidity can cause this? Maybe a prolonged spell in the bathroom ? I have seen some posts alluding to the same situation as yours, on this and other device forums.
Maybe the thing to do, is to search for this topic and then reach out to those complainants to see how or if their issue was resolved.
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I'm not sure but guess the poster is from India. India is very hot country with high humidity. This makes off course people sweat much more. So there are many possibilities how the water damage indicator got triggered. And funny is most Post I read about this triggered water indicator people swear the phone never touched any water. Because they know very well water damage is not covered. And because Samsung touted the S8 and S8+ are water resistant they try crazy things like a guy who used it in salt water playing diver movie maker.
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ggrant3876 said:
Sometimes sweat can cause the issue of the water damage. If you're in a hot sweaty environment you should put your phone in a zip lock bag. You can goole it and there are plenty of instances where sweat alone has caused the issue.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. And India is very hot and the humidity is very high.
I've triggered the water damage on older phones multiple times just from humidity. On my note 4 I literally watch the sensor turn pink on the battery while the battery was sitting out on my desk not inside the phone.
If it is only happening while its charging I have a few suggestions if you don't want to pay for the repair charge.
1.) Try to clean out the charging port with a little bit of alcohol and make sure there is no lint in there that could be holding liquid.
2.) replace your charging cable. It may just be a bad cable
3.) Invest in a wireless charge and stop using the cable all together
ggrant3876 said:
Sometimes sweat can cause the issue of the water damage. If you're in a hot sweaty environment you should put your phone in a zip lock bag. You can goole it and there are plenty of instances where sweat alone has caused the issue.
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For real, are you serious? Sweating is not a problem for me and as it is I use Bluetooth headsets
shahdave said:
For real, are you serious? Sweating is not a problem for me and as it is I use Bluetooth headsets
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Dude, I wasn't saying anything about your personal hygiene but sweating whether in your pocket or out of it is a real problem for smartphones.
https://forums.androidcentral.com/g...ave-you-ever-had-phone-get-damaged-sweat.html
Plus many more instances.
Ask them how they tested the seals on the phone before opening it up. If they can't tell you say they have no way to prove it was not a manufacturing defective seal that was bad and they should cover the repair under warranty.
shahdave said:
Hello Friends,
In May I bought a S8+ for Indian Rupees 64999 and in less than 8 weeks all of a sudden the screen started flickering when kept on charge. I handed over the phone to the service center in Mumbai, India. I asked for a replacement handset and they said they will repair it for free and give me an additional 12 months added warranty. After spending ten days with my phone and back and forth over calls, this is the response received from Samsung customer care:
What I fail to understand is that - Not once has my phone even touched water than how are they saying "water log" can someone who knows more on this please help, I am going to challenge this legally and need help, please advise.
Dear Mr. Shah,
Greetings!
This is in regards to the complaint of your Samsung Handset model number (SM-G955FZKDINS), bearing serial number (RZXXXXMRWJ).
It is our best endeavor to provide you with impeccable product experience at Samsung.
Having said that, we always believe that our customers are the best judge and may help with improving our products. Therefore, we take every feedback with an assurance of improvement with every passing day.
This is in line with the terms and conditions mentioned in our warranty card provided with every product at the time of sale. In this case, the consumer has to bear the expenses of the repair as once the product is water log.
Therefore, we request you to bare with our efforts to serve you better by allowing us to replace your unit part on a chargeable basis. As such the total cost of repair would be Rs. (24472.78).
In conclusion, based on our discussion, we would not be able to cater your request for Replacement of your product.
Rest assured that we are taking all possible measures to ensure resolution in shortest possible time to your utmost satisfaction.
We value your relationship with Samsung and assure you of our best services, always.
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Hey are you speaking to any **** joe who answers the phone when you phone Samsung? Why I’m saying this, I had a issue with a company once soon as I asked to speak to their manager there whole attitude changed.. What you need to do is get hold of someone high up in the chain, that way you cut out dicks who are causing issues on your device and then making you pay for it.. it’s a joke they are charging you near 400 USD to fix a issue that is caused by their device or by their workers..
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For real, are you serious? Sweating is not a problem for me and as it is I use Bluetooth headsets
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Even if you don't hold your mobile to your head mate.
It's enough having it in your pocket and moisture is already building dependent on your weather conditions. Im hyper careful carrying my mobiles around. Most the time I have a special Bag to put everything I need into it (Headphones, Charger, Micro cleaning kit and alike). Like this there is no bending, no cracked screen and many other issues are taken care of. Off course this is not a option for everybody. There are very small little nice bags even with integrated cooling. Maybe this could be a solution for you next time.
So we found it in dishwasher and dried it off and everything work fine. When we tried to charge it after it was out of battery an triangle alert came on screen asking with a water splash sign that alerted is there was water in phone. She used a cutie gently and dried off charging portal, still nothing. Then she removed s pen it was wet. How can she she dry it. She can't live without phone. Chuckle. Note doesn't want to wait till tomorrow to take to store. Also we can from Apple and assumed these were water proof.
Thanks
Point a fan directly at the port. Let it sit for awhile.
Its a hot or miss with that cuz is a software bug. At least I remember I took a shower with a phone a few years ago samsung and no matter how long I waited or what I did it continued to give me that warning. Ended up having to put a claim in with Verizon. That was way back with the s8 plus so idk if they made it better. Nvm just remembered I didn't take a shower with it, I actually took it in the ocean with me lol
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Phones aren't meant to tolerate any type of forced water like jets from a dish washer. But if it worked normal, I'd say use wireless charging.
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Also we can from Apple and assumed these were water proof.
Thanks
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Resistant and resistance has a threshold that I would still take with a grain of salt.
They are water resistant not water proof unfortunately so water can get inside.
As someone else mentioned try wireless charging once your pretty sure it's dried out inside.
Should have put in rice, try again - I fixed it once I like this
inningsdefeat500 said:
Should have put in rice, try again - I fixed it once I like this
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Putting electronics like mobile phones in rice is a myth .
It's been proven that it does not work and won't help since rice can't suck water out of device that has got water inside the device.
Warm dry area for a few days, ideally surrounded by Silca Gel you get inside different packages such as food or sensitive items that should remain damp free
Ummm how did the phone end up in the dishwasher, im dying to know lol.
Thats a new one for me .
force70 said:
Ummm how did the phone end up in the dishwasher, im dying to know lol.
Thats a new one for me .
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If you have a dishwasher that stands under sink or w.e it's called in kitchen then if the phone was laying above and one of drawers in the dishwasher was pulled out probably top one. My guess could be she/he accidentally knocked down the phone so it landed into first drawer and when they pushed it in and closed the dishwasher they didn't notice the phone was in there. Just my guess but still quite odd how it really got there.
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The fan idea in a warm dry room is the safest bet.
If it has a good charge, use the phone and warm it up.
Watch from any sign of malfunction other than the warning.
If anything behaves abnormally power it down asap and do not power up again. It may limit help the water damage.
It will need services if so... at the very least the back needs to come off so it can dry.
Forget rice; use anhydrous isopropyl alcohol to flush out water contaminated electronics. Save my coffee dunked Buds case like that. Yes with a live battery. Still working a half year latter. I flushed it within a minute of the coffee plunge.
Alcohol can craze polycarbonate plastics; be careful. Dry it with low pressure air quickly if possible.
I've use a blower bulb (the kind you use to clean cam lens) and low pressure air to clear a rain drop from the C port.
I then let it sit for about an hour afterwards until the warning cleared.
DO NOT apply power if warning is still on since you know it was water exposed. If water is still present it can cause extensive damage if power is applied.
Do Not use high pressure air as you can force water past the seal and into the phone!
These phones are well sealed so you'll probably be ok especially if it was in a case.
Always keep these puppies in a good case, it will save you from a lot of grief
Jake.S said:
Putting electronics like mobile phones in rice is a myth .
It's been proven that it does not work and won't help since rice can't suck water out of device that has got water inside the device.
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Worked ofr my late dads iphone , maybe a coincidence
Rice is not a good desiccant... in any event even a great desiccant is not what's needed here.
inningsdefeat500 said:
Worked ofr my late dads iphone , maybe a coincidence
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Well to be honest rice didn't do a thing to your iPhone trust me. If you left it for a day or two in rice you can just as well leave phone alone without rice for 1 or two days and you will see same effect. So professionals did a test and proven the rice method is false and is just a waste of time and a myth.
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Jake.S said:
So professionals did a test and proven the rice method is false and is just a waste of time and a myth.
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Do you have a source for that claim? Here's a published, peer-reviewed controlled experiment that showed that for other wet electronic devices (specifically, hearing aids), rice was in fact a good desiccant, comparable to commercial desiccants:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/278... and the,several of the commercial desiccants.
Gary02468 said:
Do you have a source for that claim? Here's a published, peer-reviewed controlled experiment that showed that for other wet electronic devices (specifically, hearing aids), rice was in fact a good desiccant, comparable to commercial desiccants:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/278... and the,several of the commercial desiccants.
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You know that government can put lies and false facts on their sites too? Secondly hearing aids is something else than smartphone and tablet and so on.
I'm going to look for some proven source since I remember seeing few where they tested and got result that rice does nothing to smartphones, tablets and such and that people going around telling other people out there to use it is a falsely and a myth.
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Here is two examples sites stating rice won't do anything to help you on getting water out of a electronics.
https://www.ifixit.com/Wiki/Don't_Put_Your_Device_in_Rice._Here's_Why...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/609145001
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You know that government can put lies and false facts on their sites too?
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Lol, it's a conspiracy by the rice lobby! Better alert QAnon!
It's a peer-reviewed scientific study. It happens to be archived on a National Library of Medicine website, but it was not "the government" that conducted or published the study.
When you track down the source for your claim, you'll probably find it was a repair shop trying to drum up business. [EDIT: Yes, you've added your sources now and that's what they are.]
Gary02468 said:
Lol, it's a conspiracy by the rice lobby! Better alert QAnon!
It's a peer-reviewed scientific study. It happens to be archived on a National Library of Medicine website, but it was not "the government" that conducted or published the study.
When you track down the source for your claim, you'll probably find it was a repair shop trying to drum up business.
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A domain that ends on gov belongs to government so link you shared is a government owned business.
Secondly I think you are on wrong track, most professionals that are not repair shop have tried method and gotten result that rice does nothing that's how it was proven it isn't working. I given you two source and none of them are repair shop so seriously wake up.
Jake.S said:
A domain that ends on gov belongs to government so link you shared is a government owned business.
Secondly I think you are on wrong track, most professionals that are not repair shop have tried method and gotten result that rice does nothing that's how it was proven it isn't working. I given you two source and none of them are repair shop so seriously wake up.
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So sources that conflict one another. What's new. But I hardly think discrediting one because it says .gov is reasonable.
Its from the national medical library talking about the drying out hearing aids for Pete's sake.
Samsung can only hope this is an isolated instance！
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The Daily Mail isn't a very reliable news outlet. It ranks up there with Buzzfeed.
Just think about it, you're sleeping like a baby and as your eyes slowly open you realize YOUR HAIR is on fire. Who wouldn't be absolutely freaking out?
Great find!
A couple of my friends, my son, and myself all have our S-Pens smell like smoke and are very warm when the S-Pen is pulled out. I'm fairly alarmed that the location of the burn marks align with where the S-Pen is located...
DJLAXL said:
A couple of my friends, my son, and myself all have our S-Pens smell like smoke and are very warm when the S-Pen is pulled out. I'm fairly alarmed that the location of the burn marks align with where the S-Pen is located...
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just pulled my S-pen out to smell it ----- darn, it does smell burned. There are no signs to the coating or anything, but the smell is very much of burned resin. I think these are all black, right? wonder what one with a lighter color looks like.
Never felt that mine was warm when I pulled it out so far though. Could be a manufacturing issue too and not related to heating while in the phone. Need somebody who receives it new to confirm.
Can confirm my pen has the acrid odor. It and the phone are cool to the touch. Not losing any sleep over it.
Note8 and Note9 also had the funny SPen smell...
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Note8 and Note9 also had the funny SPen smell...
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If you clean it, the smell goes away.
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If you clean it, the smell goes away.
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The same can be said about things that are put in holes. ;-)
I'm no expert in fire forensics. Samsung stated in the article it was caused by an "external source" but how did they make that determination and what was the external source? They offered no evidence besides their general statement. Plus is there anyone naive enough to think Samsung wouldn't look to point it's finger at anything besides themselves? After reviewing the photos it sure looks as though the device blew up and caught fire. The good news is it doesn't look to be a widespread issue.
That nightstand didn't inspire me with confidence that there wasn't an external source, either.
The most convincing photo for me that the device caused the fire is this one. The orange colorization on back of the device doesn't look to be caused by an external source, it looks as though the heat emanated from the inside of the phone.
That phone looks like it went through hell before it was ever exposed to an ignition source or was an ignition source.
Take a good look at the camera array and also the 2 images of the phone. Things aren't adding up for me.
Also far more fire damage in the drawer compared to the top where the phone was located. Could have been a vape pen in the drawer that ignited the whole works.
Looks a lot like possible fraud intent.
Plus, the side that supposedly caught fire is the SPen slot? There's a wire (charging cable?) in the photo there too, if the phone wasn't on charge, was something else? To me, the phone isn't damaged enough for it to have been the source of combustion - but I'm no forensic expert!
I don't have a UK S22 Ultra (mine's an HK import) but I thought Samsung stopped printing the regulatory text on the back with the S9 / Note9?
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I'm no expert in fire forensics. Samsung stated in the article it was caused by an "external source" but how did they make that determination and what was the external source? They offered no evidence besides their general statement. Plus is there anyone naive enough to think Samsung wouldn't look to point it's finger at anything besides themselves? After reviewing the photos it sure looks as though the device blew up and caught fire. The good news is it doesn't look to be a widespread issue.
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The Daily Mail didn't write it. Like I said, the Daily Mail is not a reliable media outlet.
I just read this thread and it might hold some truth. My S-Pen is 'melted' possibly due to heat generated while charging. The phone had got really warm (about 40-42C) but I never cared as I charge only till 85%. I did not use the pen for a couple of days and when I try to remove it, I was in for a surprise. It got stuck inside the housing and I had to use a 3M tape to remove it. Samsung refuses to replace it here in India and charges $50 for replacement.
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I just read this thread and it might hold some truth. My S-Pen is 'melted' possibly due to heat generated while charging. The phone had got really warm (about 40-42C) but I never cared as I charge only till 85%. I did not use the pen for a couple of days and when I try to remove it, I was in for a surprise. It got stuck inside the housing and I had to use a 3M tape to remove it. Samsung refuses to replace it here in India and charges $50 for replacement.
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So what was Samsung's excuse for not covering this under warranty? They used to be pretty consistent but we're seeing more and more they're refusing to accept responsibility for obvious defects.
Probably because they don't see how 40 odd degrees would melt an S Pen?
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So what was Samsung's excuse for not covering this under warranty? They used to be pretty consistent but we're seeing more and more they're refusing to accept responsibility for obvious defects.
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They said Spen is an accessory and wont be covered under warranty. I do not believe this at all and have escalated the issue to their higher ups.