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I have just been following all the developments with the Bluetoth Stack Problems etc, after actually I had Ordered the Holux BT GPS Receiver.
I am still awaiting delivery, but after reading the last thread under GPS/Bluetooth got a bot dissappointed as a lot of people seem to have problems with the Reception.
I actually did some research before ordering and the reviews were promising. So in real life, what are the problems with the actual GPS itsself and how is the reception?
Even though I haven't tried Towas BT Fix, but I must congratulate as it seems very impressive the job he has done. I have downloaded all is required in terms of software fixes.
Please share your experiences with the Holux BT GPS and if anyone likes to do a preview perhaps?
I've already posted my comments in another thread but to summarise - it doesn't work ver well at all. I've used a Navman/iPaq combo - worked quite well, a Nokia LAM1/9210 - worked surprisingly well too, then a CF GPS in an Axim - worked extremely well, then this Holux device with an XDA II - the worst so far, by far. I'm assuming that the problem isn't with the XDA II as it uses a 400 mhz xScale 263 cpu which should be more than sufficient. I had read that these things would pick up a decent signal from within a rucksack or pocket, and indoors from a few feet from a window, but not in my case.
I can't wait to see what other peoples experiences are.
Ged.
How did you get the holux to work with xda2, I am having no luck with it.
I just installed towas patch, when I chose the holux it allowed me to assign a serial port "com4 chosen" this then appeared under gps in tomtom, works great and the headset works at same time, it did prevent me synching via bluetooth which was working fine before, but that is no hardship as I am unlikely to be synching by bluetooth while running tomtom.
P.s. I tried changing com ports for the gps but it didnt help so I removed my bluetooth desktop pc bluetooth profile, went to settings/bluetooth, told it to sync by bluetooth, it searched for and found my pc bluetooth dongle, when I click finish Towas patch pops up, I selected activesync and it now all works, the guys a genius with programming.
Got my Holux working too
Even though I was very nervous about the Holux, it has proved for me working very well, but it did take a bit to get things working.
At first, I removed all bluetooth devices, then installed Towas' Patch and then added the BT Devices (Holux + HBH-65). The HBH-65 worked well all the time, but once I loaded the Holux supplied software GPSviewer, it kept crashing and froze or it automatically kept rebooting. Tried all different ports but no success.
Finally, I had to Hard-Reset the XDA2 and then first install Towas's BT Patch before pairing any devices or installing any applications. Then I tried some third party software and finally Mapopolis and saw it working perfectly (COM 5, 9600). For some reason, GPSviewer is not compatible with either the XDA2 or Towas's Patch at any setting.
The Positioning is very good and usually have 8 sats locked out of 10 visible. I saw the device to be very accurate, perhaps to about 1-2 metres on Mapopolis. I even get around 3-4 Sats locked when I am indoors (thats either on the top floor or near a window. First time to fix is always around 30secs and hotstart seems immediate to me. The only matter which has got to me was that while driving, the positioning seemed to be lagging behind and Mapopolis came up with streets which just passed. I am also quite pissed off with the male voice of mapopolis as it sounds awful. I have now ordered TomTom V.2 and will keep u guys posted how that goes.
PS: The BT Handset works well at the same time as the GPS, but still missing the Handsfree BT Profile.
Anyone any update about O2 (UK) ROM Update?
I found no lag with Tomtom2, it was on the button and extremely accurate, does anybody know if the battery can be swapped out of this unit in the event of a failure once warrany is out?
I would think so. I took mine apart to see what was inside and it's very similar to one that you'd find in a cordless phone. Nothing special really and there are lots of companies out there that supply custom or specialist batteries.
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I have just been following all the developments with the Bluetoth Stack Problems etc
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i take it ur talking about the prolems "when you change the baud rate on the GR-230, it would lose communication via Bluetooth"?
if so the review on pocketgps.co.uk for the unit is quite good. its available @
http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/holuxgr230.php
but it explains that its a firmware prob with units shipped B4 Dec 03, which can B fixed.
Hope this helps. ive just ordered 1 myself, £95 off ebay, will do nicely if it works, i shall let ya'll know.
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Hey,
I am in desperate need for a new cell phone, as my old HTC wizard died.
I am looking for a phone that can also support GPS software, such at TomTom or iGo. It was no problem running iGo or TomTom on the wizard. The Vox seems to have the same processor so, it should run fine.
My only concern is the lack of the touch screen. Will this be a big problem?
How it the lack of a touchscreen with daily WM6 operations. I am actually looking for a device that does not have a touchscreen, but I think WM is designed to have a touchscreen.
Also can you recommend a place where you purchased your device?
Please give me any comments you may have.
Thanks,
The Touch Pro is my first Windows Mobile device, and after using Symbian for 5 years I'm finding the going a little rocky so far!
Anyhow, the GPS lag on this thing is terrible - I've tried using it on car journeys and so far it's been pointless as I keep missing turns! Also, the time taken to get a fix is just unacceptable. I used aGPS on my Nokia's to get a fix ijn less than 30 seconds, and have seen the aGPS option in the Advanced Config app - my question is, do I have to do anything other than enable it?
I have noticed no difference to the time taken to get a fix, and it's still crap when I'm moving faster than walking pace.
Also, which GPS app would you guys recommend?
I've tried TomTom 7 so far, and wans't overly impressed - I have to admit Nokia Maps did the job perfectly well on my N82.
First I'd like to say fortunately this will be fixed soon in am official Rom update or cooked radio/rom here.
Most people are finding out not all GPS apps have lag with the Touch pro. For instance Both Google maps and Windows Live search have 0 lag. However they still take a little longer to get a fix than I would like. So it may be more software compatability related than just the Touch pro's fault. Rest assured though an update will be out soon to fix the lag in Tomtom7 and other GPS apps.
Only thing i don't like about google and windows live is that there is no VGA support for the higher screen resolution yet so they are hard to see the street names. I hope there is an update soon or I'll be looking elsewhere so i can clearly see everything on the screen without squenting.
Ah cool, thanks for your answer, it was most helpful.
Well, good news for AT&T customers: The Fuze had none of this. Must be a software issue, because when I had it the lag was next to none using OCN8. Also, finding a fix always took under a minute, even after a soft reset took me 56 seconds when I timed it.
So there are more than enough problems with internal GPS for several devices. The Fuze obviously, im sure the Diamond, and my friend and his Tilt. Basically we have to go through all these steps just to get it to work properly. So i was thinking a suit may get them to fix the problem with it.
I am absolutely certain it is regarding the internal GPS and not the anything else in the phone, because if it takes too long to find a fix i just use my BT Holux 236 Slim instead of waiting and it finds it well lets just say IMMEDIATELY lol.
I had an old toshiba WM device with pharos add on gps. It took like 5-6 mins to lock.
I can do a morning gps fix with my fuze in about 30 seconds. No AGPS, but I do download the quickgps info. It's good enough for me.
does AGPs actually slow it down? i thought that would make it faster
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does AGPs actually slow it down? i thought that would make it faster
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AGPS + IPHONE + 3G = FAIL.
It's not just Raphael here. If you google that, there's lots of suggestions to switch to Edge, then use the GPS, then get back on 3G.
I have a Fuze and my GPS is working fine. I initially had issues getting a lock and I had to use HTC GPS Tool... only once. After that I get a lock within 1 minute if that much when using TomTom.
I am also using 3G/HSUPA. I do have AGPS turned off and I have QuickGPS configured to download updates automatically. Once other change I made was to the "External GPS" in the System settings - I changed the COM port to 1 and speed to 38400. I tested both with COM 1 and COM 4 and it didn't made much of a difference.
I have also flashed a few different ROMs and GPS works on all of them, including AT&T stock ROM.
I don't think HTC cares about Class Action Suits.
No they don't care about class action lawsuits, because we keep buying their phones I get consistent 30 second GPS locks on my fuze.
I dunno, maybe i'm just lucky but even when the Blackjack 2 came out and people were having GPS issues (and needing the Modaco GPS unlocker Cab) i never needed such things. Maybe i'm more technical and can find root of problems easily that i don't even notice i'm doing it. I don't think that's the case though, i downloaded WLS and Google Maps and configure them both properly. I knew about the intermediate driver but the current version of Google Maps didn't have support for that yet but it came out a week later and that's when it finally started working right.
I noticed there was a note about GPS concerning the Fuze so i dug into it and knew i had to use COM4 for GPS instead of the standard intermediate driver (Garmin Mobile auto configed itself to the right COM). I don't get any lag or issues, it also uses aGPS if it's enabled, my phone automatically logs on when i open it.
I have alltel TOuch Pro and my gps locks in in like 4 seconds never more than 10
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I have alltel TOuch Pro and my gps locks in in like 4 seconds never more than 10
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I have the Touch Pro as well but on Sprint, I've experienced the same.
hey guys,
what do u think about appear and disappear problem?
i mean that, my tp finds alot of satellites but two of them appears the others disappears, then they appear the others disappear.
And finaly poor reception and i.e.my car speed like "100" km but tp "0" km speed and too much lag.
I ve tried everything at this forum except roms.I couldnt have any solution.
I send 3-4 e-mail to htc support team and they turned me back with silly answers without solution.
Now i cant use my internal gps that i paid like 900$ tp.I think this will be my last htc.
The GPS issues I was having with my Fuze ultimately led to it's return.
The GPS performance was just too volatile and I need to be able to depend on it when I need it.
GL
Before you fight the power, might want to research the issue better. I believe all the people who say there are problems with their GPS, but it has to be related to particular batch/devices.
I have no issues with GPS. I run iGO8 on my Fuze, it connects very quickly, AGPS enabled. Accuracy is awesome, better than on Tilt it'd seem. So no complaints here.
So before we sue someone, somebody should compare the devices and find what is it that makes the GPS work on some and not work on others.
Just my opinion.
My GPS works great. I get a fix in around 30 seconds, and when I do, I can leave it in front of the gear stick on my car, because I still didn't buy a windshield holder, and it works just fine.
It works much better than a dedicated Bluetooth GPS I used in the past.
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Before you fight the power, might want to research the issue better. I believe all the people who say there are problems with their GPS, but it has to be related to particular batch/devices.
I have no issues with GPS. I run iGO8 on my Fuze, it connects very quickly, AGPS enabled. Accuracy is awesome, better than on Tilt it'd seem. So no complaints here.
So before we sue someone, somebody should compare the devices and find what is it that makes the GPS work on some and not work on others.
Just my opinion.
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Interesting...I never usa AGPS, it always seems to mess my phone up. I do the automatic GPS download and I get a lock within 30 sec.
Obviously the people posting think since theres work than its not an issue. There are plenty of threads in the diamond, raphael, and tilt forums regarding GPS issues.
The only reason i brought the suit idea in was because it has done before and HTC then provided the drivers. I dont want any money from them, i just want my GPS to work well. I am pretty sure nobody else wants to return their phone they just a WELL working GPS.
I have no problems with GPS lock on my Fuze. I had initial issues, but after I ran the GPS Test and got a fix - one time - I was all set.
Besides, whom do you sue? HTC or the operators who are motivated to cripple GPS or tie it exclusively to their fee-for-service plan?
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Obviously the people posting think since theres work than its not an issue. There are plenty of threads in the diamond, raphael, and tilt forums regarding GPS issues.
The only reason i brought the suit idea in was because it has done before and HTC then provided the drivers. I dont want any money from them, i just want my GPS to work well. I am pretty sure nobody else wants to return their phone they just a WELL working GPS.
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Drivers are one thing.
A class action suit is something else.
I'm all for speedier, but I just did a test here.
HARD RESET
Bloat remove
Install a few apps, sync phone to restore contacts.
Disable AGPS, download QuickGPS.
Launched google maps for the first time. It took about 40 seconds to lock on 8 satellites inside my house. I don't get this good with my other dedicated gps devices, they usually take 2-5 mins to lock on to 5.
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I'm all for speedier! But I rather like how fast the GPS set works in this phone, even after a hard reset. Maybe it's ATT software that does something on the configurator load on a hard reset?
The new rom from Da_G uses gps drivers from the blackstone and for the first time since i bought the phone (since day 1) i get consistent, fast gps locks. With these drivers i consider the problem solved. Now..to get other cooks to include them as they have to be cooked in.
I have only had mine for about a week now and not really any issues with GPS. I would load up tom tom and configure it before i leave, and before i make it off my porch i have at least 3 sats locked, and by the time im in my car its ready to roll. I have only used it for short trips so far (15-30 minutes) and have not experienced the heat up issues i have read about, or the GPS lag. Time will tell i guess.
So I think there's a reason we're running into all these GPS issues. Our GPS is sub-par. Having been using a TyTn II since the day it came out, until the Fuze shipped late last I'm very disappointed with the performance of the GPS on my Fuze. I've done countless tweaks, ROM upgrades, Radio Upgrades to no avail. The lag will just not go away.
My wife still has my old TyTn II and we need to use GPS on it whenever we're traveling, because the amount of times and lag make the Fuze simply unbearable in comparison.
This comparison chart seems to highlight a difference in GPS between the Touch Pro 2, and the Touch Pro...
This link is taken from Fuzemobility.com http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf and compares the
GPS from the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2... I don't know why, but something about the wording makes it seem like the Antenna on the Touch Pro 2 is superior to that of the Touch Pro.
Anyone else have a take on this?
what exactly do you mean? i didnt see anything different. but i do feel for you with the lag...
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So I think there's a reason we're running into all these GPS issues. Our GPS is sub-par. Having been using a TyTn II since the day it came out, until the Fuze shipped late last I'm very disappointed with the performance of the GPS on my Fuze. I've done countless tweaks, ROM upgrades, Radio Upgrades to no avail. The lag will just not go away.
My wife still has my old TyTn II and we need to use GPS on it whenever we're traveling, because the amount of times and lag make the Fuze simply unbearable in comparison.
This comparison chart seems to highlight a difference in GPS between the Touch Pro 2, and the Touch Pro...
This link is taken from Fuzemobility.com http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf and compares the
GPS from the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2... I don't know why, but something about the wording makes it seem like the Antenna on the Touch Pro 2 is superior to that of the Touch Pro.
Anyone else have a take on this?
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Hey I know that link If you want your Fuze to properly function with GPS take a look at this: http://www.fuzemobility.com/the-fuze-and-gps/
I'm using the leaked ROM now and it's great. I can literally get a fix in seconds. I'm indoors now (10' from a window) and I can still get a few satellites in a matter of seconds. if it's a hot start (connecting to gps after I've done it earlier int he day) it can be as little as 4 seconds.
2 & "1" have nearly identical hardware. The GPS issue on touch pro can be easily fixed with a ROM that works for you. I have a fuze and for some reason it just refused to work with Romeos, but when I switched to RRE rom GPS miraculously works! i get a lock within seconds now.
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2 & "1" have nearly identical hardware. The GPS issue on touch pro can be easily fixed with a ROM that works for you. I have a fuze and for some reason it just refused to work with Romeos, but when I switched to RRE rom GPS miraculously works! i get a lock within seconds now.
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My GPS works with respect to getting a lock. I have no issues getting a lock, and I've tried several ROMS including Energy, Arrup's, NATF's, and several Radio's.
I've never had it work with any form of consistency. Some days works great (always with lag) and others it's terrible. One thing I notice with any version is terrible lag, it's just not real-time data like I used to get on my Tytn II.
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My GPS works with respect to getting a lock. I have no issues getting a lock, and I've tried several ROMS including Energy, Arrup's, NATF's, and several Radio's.
I've never had it work with any form of consistency. Some days works great (always with lag) and others it's terrible. One thing I notice with any version is terrible lag, it's just not real-time data like I used to get on my Tytn II.
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That's true.
Just buy an external GPS Bluetooth receiver and pair with Raphael, then all the GPS issues are gone.
IndustryCanada said:
So I think there's a reason we're running into all these GPS issues. Our GPS is sub-par. Having been using a TyTn II since the day it came out, until the Fuze shipped late last I'm very disappointed with the performance of the GPS on my Fuze. I've done countless tweaks, ROM upgrades, Radio Upgrades to no avail. The lag will just not go away.
My wife still has my old TyTn II and we need to use GPS on it whenever we're traveling, because the amount of times and lag make the Fuze simply unbearable in comparison.
This comparison chart seems to highlight a difference in GPS between the Touch Pro 2, and the Touch Pro...
This link is taken from Fuzemobility.com http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf and compares the
GPS from the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2... I don't know why, but something about the wording makes it seem like the Antenna on the Touch Pro 2 is superior to that of the Touch Pro.
Anyone else have a take on this?
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a simple radio rom update will fix this, with the 1.12.25.19 radio and the rilphone from that radio and agps enabled, I get a lock in about 5 seconds, and it used to take me FOR EVER to get a lock something like 4 or 5 minutes.
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That's true.
Just buy an external GPS Bluetooth receiver and pair with Raphael, then all the GPS issues are gone.
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did you even read. All that will fix is GPS fix. The slowness comes from the fuze's performance more or less.
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did you even read. All that will fix is GPS fix. The slowness comes from the fuze's performance more or less.
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May I just ask you the same question "did you even read"? With an ext Bluetooth GPS receiver, all the issues e.g fix and lag are gone away; not just a GPS fix issue. Furthermore, IndustryCanada clearly said that "I've done countless tweaks, ROM upgrades, Radio Upgrades to no avail. The lag will just not go away." and "...with any version is terrible lag"
Do you believe that 2 FUZEs run the same ROM, same Navigator applications but the one with an ext. bluetooth GPS receiver doesn't have any speed lag and position lag?
I do know AGPS enabled with radio 1.12.25.19 and its rilphone.dll significantly reduce the time to get a sat. lock; however, what happens when you go to somewhere that doesn't have any cellphone signal; people don't have data connection plan; or many carriers in the other countries do not support AGPS?
FYI, take a look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=503690 and here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427888&highlight=touchpro+GPS+lag+problems
GSM Raphael position lag can be completely fixed with internal GPS and TomTom if you run the correct ROM. Here's a video showing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFaOFYzfqqQ
Speed lag can't be fixed but isn't much of an issue imo.