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Is eny different between this two phone? I read that have many problems with orbit2, is the same with Touch cruise, same problems? Now i have o2 orbit and thinking to buy orbit2 or cruise, but i m little sceptical, becouse of problems..
Thanke you!
Nobody knows?
Is any test between these to phones on net?
Thanks!
IMHO the o2 has a better form factor...it's more rounded...
but other than that, i'm pretty sure its 100% the same exact hardware on the inside...and as a touch cruise owner, i can tell you it's a lag ridden slow ass POS..return it while u still can, cause drivers aren't coming any time soon
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i can tell you it's a lag ridden slow ass POS..return it while u still can, cause drivers aren't coming any time soon
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Don't take that for gospel. I have owned many PPC's going back to 2000 and i can tell you from my experience, the TC performs just fine in day-to-day operation. As a matter of fact, it performs much better than my last 2 devices, a Treo 750 and the KJAM.
1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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I have no such "problems" with my TC. However, if you want to nitpick, the FM antenna is not very strong so there can be interference if used in a place like a metropolitan city.
Other than that, I have not had any problems.
4.) bad painting
all the time...all you have to do is be viewing a web site in whatever browser and press the phone key. Depending on what other applications you have open, and how much ram you are using, it can take up to 1-5 seconds to fully "paint" the dialpad on the screen, piece by piece.
If you are scrolling through anything, lets say the programs menu, or a website, the screen flickers, and lags.
I can remember back about 15 years ago, to my first desktop PC...it was a pentium 133 MHZ, with an ATI 3d card that had 8MB of ram I believe, and it ran windows 3.11 for workgroups, and then windows 95.
Lets just say even that comp (if it were still put together) could out do the touch cruise graphics wise.
As for the other problems you are describing, I have not had any issues with those. For the most part, it's just the graphics \ user interface stuff and lack of proper video drivers.
The actual radio hardware is fine.
If i were you, I would wait until all the issues are worked out before you spend alot of money on a handheld..unless you really need it. I'm actually thinking of selling my touch cruise and getting an Atom V.
both are same inside, but i'm on my 3rd O2 Orbit 2 due to cosmetics, i get the feeling the new 'stylised' case for the Orbit 2 is rushed, as all 3 have gaps, off centre screen and now my 3rd one the GPS plug keeps falling out! lol
i'd go for the original 'design' as most complaints i've heard have been about O2 version - BUT just cosmetics, not hardware.
i really can't be bothered to send this back, but will think twice about what i upgrade to next :/
or a website, the screen flickers, and lags.
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If you're using PIE, there is a fix for that. After applying the fix, scrolling is just fine.
I also have no scrolling issues using Netfront 3.5.
cosmetics i agree with that.
if you look in the accessories thread, there are multiple posts about the top screen being crooked and not glued onto the other screen, hearing snap backs when tapping on or around the corners.
Also I agree that the micro-sd hatch is very poorly designed, also along with the GPS plug.
Just a thought, that keeps recurring though my mind...why didn't they put more time and thought into these devices, when they cost upwards of $1000.
Unless of course, they made it this way, cosmetics and software, purposely...
But that's just me...there are some people who don't seem to have a problem with the way this device performs.
I think though, that I'm being over critical, because all of the previous HTC devices I have used, have never had problems that have even come close to this, and also, they didn't cost nearly as much. I just expected so much more from the TC.
o2orbit said:
1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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On the TC
1) Wi-fi is fine
2) Only used BT to transfer files between laptop and phone, works fine.
3) No problem with earphone
4) not sure, the actual radio ROM (reception, etc) or FM Radio. 1st one is fine, 2nd one reception can suck.
5) Sux donkey balls. See the post about dialer skin lag. very true.
6) Never happened.
The device is fine overall with day to day use. but sometimes stuff just won't freakin work or will lag. every once in awhile my GPS will take forever to lock or when it does it will be off by a bit. sometimes windows live mail won't send/receive when i want it to. other times i feel the device just can't handle multiple things at the same time. opening audio manager when you have several hundred music files takes about 5-10 secs. then when listening to music while typing an sms, you will feel some lag while typing as opposed to typing with no music playing.
I have an Orbit 2 ...build wise its fantastic. Before I bought it, I was going to buy the iphone, the salesman in the O2 shop gave me a demo on the iphone's rigidity and build quality, he held the iphone flat in his palm with the screen up and slammed it down hard onto a wooden desk from a height of approx 1 metre....it looked very impressive...when I got my Orbit 2 I did the same.....not even a scratch....
Also thought I would comment on BT issues..since I failed to mention it in my previous post
Handsfree works great.
I have a handsfree system in my automobile, and I have a motorola HS850 as well.
No problems whatsoever.
Also, activesync works great over BT, so does internet sharing using the PAN.
File transfer takes a long time, but that is to be expected, since BT data transfer rates aren't as good as USB.
A2DP however, sucks the big one.
I've tried 5 different a2dp devices\headsets...
It's all lag ridden, staticy at times, and sometiems it just plain stops and skips for 5-20 seconds.
It seems like whenever you use a2dp it lags the whole friggen device as well..
I emailed HTC about this and their response was less than helpful.
They gave me a bunch of a2dp headset models that they have "tested"
and then told me that just because they were tested doesn't mean they are fully functional without issues.
I tried to tell them that it wasn't the headsets and it was the device itself, but they didn't seem to listen to what I had to say.
Never tried a2dp, but i don't have a hard time seeing this happening with this device. just the kind of thing to be expected. and i wanted to have stereo bluetooth to listen to music, etc. is it really that bad? guess i won't be trying that.
as far as build quality, it's good so far. except the loose volume switch on the side that rattles. kinda lame there. i've heard of the orbit2 jog dials falling off. there's another thread about that somewhere.
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cosmetics i agree with that.
if you look in the accessories thread, there are multiple posts about the top screen being crooked and not glued onto the other screen, hearing snap backs when tapping on or around the corners.
Also I agree that the micro-sd hatch is very poorly designed, also along with the GPS plug.
Just a thought, that keeps recurring though my mind...why didn't they put more time and thought into these devices, when they cost upwards of $1000.
Unless of course, they made it this way, cosmetics and software, purposely...
But that's just me...there are some people who don't seem to have a problem with the way this device performs.
I think though, that I'm being over critical, because all of the previous HTC devices I have used, have never had problems that have even come close to this, and also, they didn't cost nearly as much. I just expected so much more from the TC.
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I'm one of the ones not having a problem with my TC. I agree the web using ie is slow but is also on every other wm device I've had. So I use opera mini.
Upwards of $1000?? Where the hell are you buying it anyway? That's a bit exagerated isn't it? I concur tho that phones are getting more and more expensive and the quality of build is not equal to cost. Actually my gf's t-mo go phone cost $40 and is seemingly indestructable.
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A2DP however, sucks the big one.
I've tried 5 different a2dp devices\headsets...
It's all lag ridden, staticy at times, and sometiems it just plain stops and skips for 5-20 seconds.
It seems like whenever you use a2dp it lags the whole friggen device as well..
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You seem to have a lot of complaints. However, I can tell you that I have experienced no such lags as you mention using A2DP. I use a Moto S9 when I work out at the gym and no problems at all. I can even surf the web while using A2DP using Opera Mini or Mobile without issue. Keep in mind that I push multi-tasking on my devices.
I will say however, that using the S9's with the TC in NYC is crappy due to the weakness of the BT signal. I used to have the same issue with my Treo 750 using WM5 then when I upgraded to WM6 the issue seemed to lessen enough to the point where I didn't quite mind the "occasional" skip.
o2orbit said:
Is eny different between this two phone? I read that have many problems with orbit2, is the same with Touch cruise, same problems? Now i have o2 orbit and thinking to buy orbit2 or cruise, but i m little sceptical, becouse of problems..
Thanke you!
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Did they up the ram? Because 64mb is unaceptable. Causes freeze-ups and shut downs. Gotta have 128mb minimum.
JNGold said:
You seem to have a lot of complaints. However, I can tell you that I have experienced no such lags as you mention using A2DP. I use a Moto S9 when I work out at the gym and no problems at all.
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Hm..I don't get it..
I tried those and they had the same problems as all the other ones I tried.
I tried them in my house, working out, airports, planes...no matter where i went they were the same. I dunno man :-\ I am having alot of bad luck lately...
And also, to comment about the price thing...the Sedna costs 1000 and the touch cruise is currently going for 700-800...I paid 850 for mine but i got it after one of the first shipments to the wholesaler. This is in the US though...I've heard these same exact phones cost like $50 in hong kong. Dunno if it's true but...search google checkout for the HTC Sedna, and see how much they cost.
$50 for a Cruise in HK??? no way. link?
surgex0 said:
Hm..I don't get it..
I tried those and they had the same problems as all the other ones I tried.
I tried them in my house, working out, airports, planes...no matter where i went they were the same. I dunno man :-\ I am having alot of bad luck lately...
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Yea, surgex0, you might wanna do some investigation, b/c A2DP works perfectly for me also. No skipping, great quality, and I can multitask w/o a real slowdown in performance. I've used it with my Samsung A2DP headphones, my Sony A2DP input/output adapter for my home stereo, and random A2DP demo products in stores. No issues here... Maybe try other headphones, or if you are on a custom rom try the original rom.
Hello,
I have a question. I read that in the diamond and the touch pro htc doesnt use the sirfstar 3 anymore but the qualcomm gps receiver.
The sirf 3 is a very good receiver but i dont have any experince with qualcomm. I read a review on the internet that qualcomm's performance is less effective than the sirf 3.
(http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=175&page=6)
Does anyone have any experience with the new qualcomm in htc's diamond or touch pro?
Look in the Diamond section, there's plenty of talk of issues with the GPS. No one has the Touch Pro yet since it hasn't released, so no one here could answer your question.
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Look in the Diamond section, there's plenty of talk of issues with the GPS. No one has the Touch Pro yet since it hasn't released, so no one here could answer your question.
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But can't you summarize it??
So, I had Sirf Star 3, now I have Diamond (Qualcomm navigation). For a car use, Qualcomm performs as well as SirfStar 3, for pedestrian use, it is unusable, due to Static navigation can not be swithced. Diamond least for 2 hrs and 20 minutes of navigation, due to small batery, but like I said, for pedestrian it is unuseable, and in car you can recharge it permanently, so, iGO and TomTom works well. COM4 baud 4600.
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So, I had Sirf Star 3, now I have Diamond (Qualcomm navigation). For a car use, Qualcomm performs as well as SirfStar 3, for pedestrian use, it is unusable, due to Static navigation can not be swithced. Diamond least for 2 hrs and 20 minutes of navigation, due to small batery, but like I said, for pedestrian it is unuseable, and in car you can recharge it permanently, so, iGO and TomTom works well. COM4 baud 4600.
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Is this a software or hardware limitation?
pokevitek said:
for pedestrian use, it is unusable, due to Static navigation can not be swithced.
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I have some difficulties to understand that. What is the point with "static navigation"?
First, someone thinks it is a software problem, someone thinks its hardware. Anyway, static navigation solves the probem with "jumping" GPS coordinates when staying on one place (in car, coordinates mey be +- 5 meters off), so, navigation will not actualise location in car if speed is under 3 km/s. That is it.
Ah okay, I understand.
But this "static navigation" should be handled by the application not by the GPS driver. So the navigation software can and should decide by itself if there is some advanced map-matching applied to the coordinates.
Is this "static navigation" feature only an issue with TomTom or does this apply to GoogleMaps as well?
As far as I can remember my old TomTom 6 application had a pedestrian mode as well. I would assume this "static navigation" feature would be turned off in this case.
Does TomTom 7 have no pedestrian mode or is this really something that is handled by the GPS driver?
foo said:
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Is this "static navigation" feature only an issue with TomTom or does this apply to GoogleMaps as well?
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Does TomTom 7 have no pedestrian mode or is this really something that is handled by the GPS driver?
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I think you should ask this on the Diamond forum, because almost noone has this phone right now. But if you manage to get an answer, pls let me know, because I'm really interested in this question (I mean the 1st one).
Barkeeper1979 said:
Hello,
I have a question. I read that in the diamond and the touch pro htc doesnt use the sirfstar 3 anymore but the qualcomm gps receiver.
The sirf 3 is a very good receiver but i dont have any experince with qualcomm. I read a review on the internet that qualcomm's performance is less effective than the sirf 3.
(http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=175&page=6)
Does anyone have any experience with the new qualcomm in htc's diamond or touch pro?
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mydexterid said:
I think you should ask this on the Diamond forum, because almost noone has this phone right now. But if you manage to get an answer, pls let me know, because I'm really interested in this question (I mean the 1st one).
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My experience with the Touch Diamond and iGO8 is that there is a time lag (when you stop the car the GPS continues moving 10 - 15 meters) and a lag consistently showing that my position is some 10 - 30 m behind the actual position. At least I have never seen iGO8 showing my position ahead of the actual. The latter becomes a problem when using smart or auto zoom when zoomed to the highest level. In that case it may look like i should turn at the next intersection and not the one I am in, and that is anoying. However, I believe its possible to set max zoom level also in the auto or smart mode somewhere, and that should improve matters (have not taken the time to do so).
However, the article you refer to does tell me that I'll have to live with some sort of issue, but by-and-large I find it is quite OK, especially if I zoom to a fixed level showing a little more than just 20 m road. I may add that iGO 8 in principle only runs on devices with SD support due to copy protection.
I tested (on the road) both Diamond and Touch PRO.
Diamond:
Worse performance than SirfIII receivers I've had. No GPS lag. Still, the performance is acceptable.
Touch PRO:
Performance comparable to SirfIII. Got GPS lag though.
I'm sure that the put a better GPS antenna to Touch PRO, since it gets stronger signal, faster TTF and more reliable navigation.
I hope that GPS lag is software issue that will get fixed.
Cheers,
robal said:
I tested (on the road) both Diamond and Touch PRO.
Diamond:
Worse performance than SirfIII receivers I've had. No GPS lag. Still, the performance is acceptable.
Touch PRO:
Performance comparable to SirfIII. Got GPS lag though.
I'm sure that the put a better GPS antenna to Touch PRO, since it gets stronger signal, faster TTF and more reliable navigation.
I hope that GPS lag is software issue that will get fixed.
Cheers,
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Sounds a bit wierd as TD and TPro is the same processor (and not up to the Sifr chip's performance - but that can be compensated by a well made software). Have you tried it using google map, that could be interesting. Or alternatively put it in pedestrian/off road mode and leave the road.
Lag on Raphael is driving me crazy......
Yeah, I'm seeing some pretty nasty lag myself... Just tested it out going from work to home last night, using iGo8. Seems when I stop my car, it keeps moving for a while, speed decreases quite slowly... Not quite as good as my Holux M-1200, but I'll keep testing and see...
Does anyone know/think that a software/radio/rom upgrade might fix this? Or is it just a hardware limitation?
I'm not getting hardly any lag using TomTom Navigator 6, seems perfect to me. I did set the baud rate to maximum, maybe that's why or maybe it's a software issue with IGo?
ukdj78 said:
I'm not getting hardly any lag using TomTom Navigator 6, seems perfect to me. I did set the baud rate to maximum, maybe that's why or maybe it's a software issue with IGo?
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Hmm, I'll try that tomorrow if I get a chance, although I have my doubts it'll make any difference. I was using the same setup on my Elfin, and although there was some very slight lag, nothing like what I see with the Raph....
But I'll try setting the baud rate to max and retry... I'll let y'all know...
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I'm not getting hardly any lag using TomTom Navigator 6, seems perfect to me. I did set the baud rate to maximum, maybe that's why or maybe it's a software issue with IGo?
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Most people report lag time regardless the navigationsoft. Maybe the iGO is a bit worse. I surely observe a speed dependend lag sometimes, but even while waiting in an intersection I sometimes observe that iGO informs up to 20 m to the intersection. Sometimes the turn indicator reads 0 m while the main screen surely shows that I am not yet at the intersection. Never I observerd that iGO showed a position ahead of the true position.
It is known that the TD processor is not as accurate as the Sifr chipset so I wonder if it's because the navi soft is averaging the position locking you to the road. Try to let it track your position in a mode not locking to the road (or use google map) and you'll see that the curser is moving even up to 20 m even the phone is left steady on the table.
i notice allot of gps lag with garmin mobile xt and little with tomtom 7 but it's there. Also i notice that the gps bars on tomtom or garmin do not maintain fixed, not the signal, that would be normal, but the satellite number. This is very strange when i have a few satellites with a very good signal and suddenly the gps software stops using it, why ??? If i was moving around i would accept that, but since i'm not moving why doesn't it maintain the same satellites ??
Always jumping around satellites instead of maintaining them and this is probably caused by the driver that decodes the gps/satellite information.
I really think that the problem comes from the driver that windows uses for the gps + the radio version.
I'm really confident that future ""HTC"" updates will solve the problem, not cooked roms having has base the actual htc rom(s)
Only time will tell , we will have to wait for the next htc update.
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i notice allot of gps lag with garmin mobile xt and little with tomtom 7 but it's there. Also i notice that the gps bars on tomtom or garmin do not maintain fixed, not the signal, that would be normal, but the satellite number. This is very strange when i have a few satellites with a very good signal and suddenly the gps software stops using it, why ??? If i was moving around i would accept that, but since i'm not moving why doesn't it maintain the same satellites ??
Always jumping around satellites instead of maintaining them and this is probably caused by the driver that decodes the gps/satellite information.
I really think that the problem comes from the driver that windows uses for the gps + the radio version.
I'm really confident that future ""HTC"" updates will solve the problem, not cooked roms having has base the actual htc rom(s)
Only time will tell , we will have to wait for the next htc update.
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Satellites are moving and the atmospharical conditions changing all the time affecting the signal you receive.
The chipset used by HTC is also not performing as well as the the Sirf III having a lower accuraccy, but that doesn't change the signal strength received of course.
guitarguy said:
Yeah, I'm seeing some pretty nasty lag myself... Just tested it out going from work to home last night, using iGo8. Seems when I stop my car, it keeps moving for a while, speed decreases quite slowly... Not quite as good as my Holux M-1200, but I'll keep testing and see...
Does anyone know/think that a software/radio/rom upgrade might fix this? Or is it just a hardware limitation?
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its an IGO8 issue. i believe its programmed in so that if you lose sattelite it makes assumptions about where you are going (since you gave it the end point anyway, its fair to assume that you are continuing in that direction). What i wish they would do is put you 3 secs ahead of where it currently shows you, more often than not it would be an accurate assumption. I love igo8 but in a complicated intersection i often miss the correct turn.
HI
for me the most important function is gps, but from all of the answers here I cannot make any conclusions. Some say big lag, 20min to get a fix, others almost no lag a all, instant fix.
If someone used the kaiser can you please compare it with raphael, (kaiser was ok for me,not great but..) so I can decide if I will part with the 1000$ sitting on my desk? )
Is there a program that offers some hard evidence on the gps troubles, so I can compare it to other devices?
How long does the battery last when using gps igo or garmin mobile?
Thanx very much
20min to get a fix? It's joke ? Yesterday I've tested GPS very hard (Nav iGo8 soft) and it takes no more than 1min to get a fix. I've made some tests before (just simple test by walking around the steets) and never have had fix delay longer than 2min.
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B.
I get a fix in less than 30 seconds, using destinator and garmin xt
Hi,
I use Google maps and Nav4All. With Nav4All it takes very long to get a fix. What I do is I start Google Maps, wait till I get a GPS fix (10 seconds?). Turn of Google Maps and start Nav4All.
So my gues is, that it's not the Touch Pro, but the software. I also had this with my old Mio TomTom could take forever and an old unknow AND Navigator worked almost inmediatly.
BTW, I have the Assisted GPS turned on
Regards,
AJ
Hi,
something with gps(hardware or software) in Raphael is wrong. When I compared it with Kaiser, same software one each other in the car, raphael have lag(delay) 5-15sec. When I stop the car Kaiser display 0km after 2 max(rarely) 3 transition of speed display, Raphael has much more 5-15. While driving, arows is most of time behind the car(Kaiser) and sometimes in front of car on the route.
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Pajaa
Used mine in the car the otherday for the first time. Got a fix in about 30 seconds and there wasn't any noticable lag.
Using TomTom 6.
I use Garmin mobile. I get 6 satellites in less than a minute. The arrow is a little behind on the map, but less than 200 feet.
thanks for the reply on the fix, but what worries me is mostly the gps lag, and battery life. any info on that?
thanx people
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20min to get a fix? It's joke ? Yesterday I've tested GPS very hard (Nav iGo8 soft) and it takes no more than 1min to get a fix. I've made some tests before (just simple test by walking around the steets) and never have had fix delay longer than 2min.
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B.
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mine takes much longer but i don't mind that as much as I mind the fact it drops the connection if I donut have the phone up in my window in the car where my Kaiser would stay connected anywhere
I had TyTN II(still have) but after I got the Touch Pro I found that the TP took a much longer time to get a fix(if at all). This is quite unexpected so I hope a newer ROM will fix this.
Hi,
something interesting for us with gps lag
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2628634&postcount=306
Regards
I've tested my pro yesterday with tomtom 7..
I had my fix in like 2 minutes...but I runned first the quickgps.
The speed of the first fix depends very much on three conditions:
1st) when was your last fix. if that was longer ago than a couple of days the sat-position-data is outdated.
2nd) how much sky you can see (f.e. between high buildings is not optimal)
and 3rd) the weather. With clear sky the gps-signal is stronger than on a cloudy day.
But you can increase the first fix very much by using the "QuickGPS" application included in the original ROM. With this tool you can eliminate point one.
installed TomTom yesterday (version 7)
downloaded a city map.
and tested it last nicht.
fix within 30seconds indoors. (started the app to plan the way home from work)
during the drive home, i had no lag or wath ever..
worked like a charme for me.
igo8 fix less than 15 seconds but has lag. not much but noticeable more than tytn2.
i had a tytn2 before the touch pro...
also tytn2 i could see 7-8 sattelites, even 9 but with touch pro, never more than 5, usually 3-4.
bit disappointing...
also my igo8 crashes with "out of memory" error when i zoom out and pan the map, i have buildings and geographic details installed on it.
but i guess thats just because of igo8 on vga
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I had TyTN II(still have) but after I got the Touch Pro I found that the TP took a much longer time to get a fix(if at all). This is quite unexpected so I hope a newer ROM will fix this.
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Perhaps more like new Radio ROMs might help
I rather use iGo8, but I hate the lag. Hope the HTC fix is out soon.
Vinh
Mine normally takes about 2 mins using TT7, which is significantly longer than my TyTn II would normally take. Lag is about the same (in fact slightly less) than on the TyTn II.
The weird thing is that if you look in the GPS config in TT7, it can be seeing 10+ satellites and still not reporting a lock. That has to be a software problem doesn't it?
When mine does lock, it always has a signal strength of 4+ bars - makes me wonder if there is something in the software that could be tweaked to make it report a lock faster (using less satellites), but with initially slightly less accuracy. That would be fine with me!
Rowan
I use the GPS and Mapking, without aGPS. It get a locked quite fast < 1 min. It manage to get a location a bit after searching a destination. So consider quite good. Almost as fast as my Garmin nuvi.
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Used mine in the car the otherday for the first time. Got a fix in about 30 seconds and there wasn't any noticable lag.
Using TomTom 6.
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Can I ask, how you set the internal gps up in TomTom plz???
or anyone
hello i have a touch pro and i think the poor gps fix is not an issue from htc, i guess it's a tomtom thing. when i use tomtom with the touch pro it has usualy around the 2-5 minutes to get a fix, with sygic mcguider installed on my touch pro it's always less then a minute
on both software i download the latest quickgpsfix before starting the programs
someone else tried it with sygic mcguider?
It 's definetely HTC 's fault. I never had issues in GPS fix. But with all tips and teeks installed GPS lag is allways present. I tried most of GPS software floating arround with no luck. Also tweeks are working in some raphaels and some not with same rom installed.
I absolutely agree. I tested several navigation and gps test software. all of them hat the gps issue of the touch pro
freco said:
It 's definetely HTC 's fault. I never had issues in GPS fix. But with all tips and teeks installed GPS lag is allways present. I tried most of GPS software floating arround with no luck. Also tweeks are working in some raphaels and some not with same rom installed.
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Actually my TP gets a GPS fix with 6 to 8 sats very fast. The problem is the GPS lag (i.e. If you drive fast you get the directions late), that is a common problem and HTC is actually making a fix for it.
I am using .28 radio and ROMeOS 1.21...
For TomTom, i saw a small fix/tweak that helps (thread is somewhere not to far:
In tom tom: Change Preferences
Show GPS status -> configure
Choose Other NMEA GPS Receiver -> Baud Rate: 38400 on COM4
Maybe its just me but it seems to speed up acquisition time and reduce lag.
I also removed the logging with Avanced Configuration which probably helps some
Matthes42 said:
I absolutely agree. I tested several navigation and gps test software. all of them hat the gps issue of the touch pro
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did you try the latest Sygic Mcguider v 7.60
within a minute i got every time a fix (my touch pro is one of the first in holland (early august)
No prpblem with TomTom and internal GPS.
Well i just took an hour's trip (30 mins both way) to a friend's place and i had no trouble running TomTom with my Touch Pro's gps. Coming from a phone with a BT external gps it works just fine and dandy. Initial signal fix was less than 4 mins. No more carrying around an external receiver.
Your results are far from beeing decent my friend.
With my P3300 (Artemis) fix was very fast and I never had lag problem.
My TP has same fix time but lag never go away. There is a fix for TomTom (not working in all TP) but it 's not a solution because not everybody uses TomTom. I prefer iGO8.
freco said:
Your results are far from beeing decent my friend.
With my P3300 (Artemis) fix was very fast and I never had lag problem.
My TP has same fix time but lag never go away. There is a fix for TomTom (not working in all TP) but it 's not a solution because not everybody uses TomTom. I prefer iGO8.
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What do you mean by TomTom not working in all TP?? Since i got my TouchPro on Sunay, i've been using TomTom almost every day without issue. GPS locks on fast (<3 mins), no lags whatsoever at least for me. TomTom definitely works well on mine.
Well, I dont know. Im really confused by this issue. For every suggested fix there are some who report progress and others not. I am in that probably small group where nothing much has made a big difference (radio, ROM, settings and registry changes). I am using Copilot 7 Diamond edition. My TP still staggers about like a drunk in a nightclub -usually behind my position and bizarrely sometimes ahead. It cant manage corners, and it still comes to an intermittent stop whilst I am bowling along at 70mph. I have noticed that it seems car sensitive though - presumably windscreen type. In my wife's car it is much better than in mine. That might account for some of the variation in reports with the TP. I truly hope that HTC are working on a cab fix otherwise I too will be driving like a drunk for the foreseeable future!
It is confusing. That's true.
Until now I don't have any problems whatsoever with my TomTom 7.450 (Dutch ROM right from the factory, unbranded). I only had 1 or 2 times where my fix took long (> 2min). But most of the time I have a fix within 30 sec with > 6 satelites. I'm still trying everyday to verify that my device behaves at it should. Therefore, I have not tweaked my device until now. I also don't use quickgps.
My lag is small, while walking it is only 10 meters, I think. It very nicely shows I'm walking at 6 km/h, without any problems. Next will be trials in the car when I have my new car mount available.
Hi, I have a TP too, I´m very happy with the gps signal. but not at the begin. The gps signal was better when I change to .31 radio.
I need to deactivate A-Gps feature to get a good gps fix.
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What do you mean by TomTom not working in all TP??
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I mean that the tweek is working on some devices. Also there are people that use iGO8 or Navigon. Problem is not solved if some devices works fine with TomTom.
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Since i got my TouchPro on Sunay, i've been using TomTom almost every day without issue. GPS locks on fast (<3 mins), no lags whatsoever at least for me. TomTom definitely works well on mine.
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GPS lock on <3 mins is not acceptable time. Let 's say you get in your car, start TomTom and wait 2-3 minutes to get a fix?
Mine locks < 1 minute. It was never more than 1 minute even out of the box. But GPS lag is a pain in the @ss.
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I mean that the tweek is working on some devices. Also there are people that use iGO8 or Navigon. Problem is not solved if some devices works fine with TomTom.
GPS lock on <3 mins is not acceptable time. Let 's say you get in your car, start TomTom and wait 2-3 minutes to get a fix?
Mine locks < 1 minute. It was never more than 1 minute even out of the box. But GPS lag is a pain in the @ss.
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So...i'm perfectly fine chilling for a coupla minutes for a gps lock. 2 minutes, i wouldn't split my knickers over. Besides i' usually fiddling with something and adjusting the radio so by the time i'm ready to pull out, John Cleese is also ready for me. I'm okay with it, very satisfied.
So there are more than enough problems with internal GPS for several devices. The Fuze obviously, im sure the Diamond, and my friend and his Tilt. Basically we have to go through all these steps just to get it to work properly. So i was thinking a suit may get them to fix the problem with it.
I am absolutely certain it is regarding the internal GPS and not the anything else in the phone, because if it takes too long to find a fix i just use my BT Holux 236 Slim instead of waiting and it finds it well lets just say IMMEDIATELY lol.
I had an old toshiba WM device with pharos add on gps. It took like 5-6 mins to lock.
I can do a morning gps fix with my fuze in about 30 seconds. No AGPS, but I do download the quickgps info. It's good enough for me.
does AGPs actually slow it down? i thought that would make it faster
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does AGPs actually slow it down? i thought that would make it faster
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AGPS + IPHONE + 3G = FAIL.
It's not just Raphael here. If you google that, there's lots of suggestions to switch to Edge, then use the GPS, then get back on 3G.
I have a Fuze and my GPS is working fine. I initially had issues getting a lock and I had to use HTC GPS Tool... only once. After that I get a lock within 1 minute if that much when using TomTom.
I am also using 3G/HSUPA. I do have AGPS turned off and I have QuickGPS configured to download updates automatically. Once other change I made was to the "External GPS" in the System settings - I changed the COM port to 1 and speed to 38400. I tested both with COM 1 and COM 4 and it didn't made much of a difference.
I have also flashed a few different ROMs and GPS works on all of them, including AT&T stock ROM.
I don't think HTC cares about Class Action Suits.
No they don't care about class action lawsuits, because we keep buying their phones I get consistent 30 second GPS locks on my fuze.
I dunno, maybe i'm just lucky but even when the Blackjack 2 came out and people were having GPS issues (and needing the Modaco GPS unlocker Cab) i never needed such things. Maybe i'm more technical and can find root of problems easily that i don't even notice i'm doing it. I don't think that's the case though, i downloaded WLS and Google Maps and configure them both properly. I knew about the intermediate driver but the current version of Google Maps didn't have support for that yet but it came out a week later and that's when it finally started working right.
I noticed there was a note about GPS concerning the Fuze so i dug into it and knew i had to use COM4 for GPS instead of the standard intermediate driver (Garmin Mobile auto configed itself to the right COM). I don't get any lag or issues, it also uses aGPS if it's enabled, my phone automatically logs on when i open it.
I have alltel TOuch Pro and my gps locks in in like 4 seconds never more than 10
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I have alltel TOuch Pro and my gps locks in in like 4 seconds never more than 10
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I have the Touch Pro as well but on Sprint, I've experienced the same.
hey guys,
what do u think about appear and disappear problem?
i mean that, my tp finds alot of satellites but two of them appears the others disappears, then they appear the others disappear.
And finaly poor reception and i.e.my car speed like "100" km but tp "0" km speed and too much lag.
I ve tried everything at this forum except roms.I couldnt have any solution.
I send 3-4 e-mail to htc support team and they turned me back with silly answers without solution.
Now i cant use my internal gps that i paid like 900$ tp.I think this will be my last htc.
The GPS issues I was having with my Fuze ultimately led to it's return.
The GPS performance was just too volatile and I need to be able to depend on it when I need it.
GL
Before you fight the power, might want to research the issue better. I believe all the people who say there are problems with their GPS, but it has to be related to particular batch/devices.
I have no issues with GPS. I run iGO8 on my Fuze, it connects very quickly, AGPS enabled. Accuracy is awesome, better than on Tilt it'd seem. So no complaints here.
So before we sue someone, somebody should compare the devices and find what is it that makes the GPS work on some and not work on others.
Just my opinion.
My GPS works great. I get a fix in around 30 seconds, and when I do, I can leave it in front of the gear stick on my car, because I still didn't buy a windshield holder, and it works just fine.
It works much better than a dedicated Bluetooth GPS I used in the past.
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Before you fight the power, might want to research the issue better. I believe all the people who say there are problems with their GPS, but it has to be related to particular batch/devices.
I have no issues with GPS. I run iGO8 on my Fuze, it connects very quickly, AGPS enabled. Accuracy is awesome, better than on Tilt it'd seem. So no complaints here.
So before we sue someone, somebody should compare the devices and find what is it that makes the GPS work on some and not work on others.
Just my opinion.
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Interesting...I never usa AGPS, it always seems to mess my phone up. I do the automatic GPS download and I get a lock within 30 sec.
Obviously the people posting think since theres work than its not an issue. There are plenty of threads in the diamond, raphael, and tilt forums regarding GPS issues.
The only reason i brought the suit idea in was because it has done before and HTC then provided the drivers. I dont want any money from them, i just want my GPS to work well. I am pretty sure nobody else wants to return their phone they just a WELL working GPS.
I have no problems with GPS lock on my Fuze. I had initial issues, but after I ran the GPS Test and got a fix - one time - I was all set.
Besides, whom do you sue? HTC or the operators who are motivated to cripple GPS or tie it exclusively to their fee-for-service plan?
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Obviously the people posting think since theres work than its not an issue. There are plenty of threads in the diamond, raphael, and tilt forums regarding GPS issues.
The only reason i brought the suit idea in was because it has done before and HTC then provided the drivers. I dont want any money from them, i just want my GPS to work well. I am pretty sure nobody else wants to return their phone they just a WELL working GPS.
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Drivers are one thing.
A class action suit is something else.
I'm all for speedier, but I just did a test here.
HARD RESET
Bloat remove
Install a few apps, sync phone to restore contacts.
Disable AGPS, download QuickGPS.
Launched google maps for the first time. It took about 40 seconds to lock on 8 satellites inside my house. I don't get this good with my other dedicated gps devices, they usually take 2-5 mins to lock on to 5.
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I'm all for speedier! But I rather like how fast the GPS set works in this phone, even after a hard reset. Maybe it's ATT software that does something on the configurator load on a hard reset?
The new rom from Da_G uses gps drivers from the blackstone and for the first time since i bought the phone (since day 1) i get consistent, fast gps locks. With these drivers i consider the problem solved. Now..to get other cooks to include them as they have to be cooked in.
I have only had mine for about a week now and not really any issues with GPS. I would load up tom tom and configure it before i leave, and before i make it off my porch i have at least 3 sats locked, and by the time im in my car its ready to roll. I have only used it for short trips so far (15-30 minutes) and have not experienced the heat up issues i have read about, or the GPS lag. Time will tell i guess.