Database Info

GPS in raphael?

HI
for me the most important function is gps, but from all of the answers here I cannot make any conclusions. Some say big lag, 20min to get a fix, others almost no lag a all, instant fix.
If someone used the kaiser can you please compare it with raphael, (kaiser was ok for me,not great but..) so I can decide if I will part with the 1000$ sitting on my desk? )
Is there a program that offers some hard evidence on the gps troubles, so I can compare it to other devices?
How long does the battery last when using gps igo or garmin mobile?
Thanx very much

20min to get a fix? It's joke ? Yesterday I've tested GPS very hard (Nav iGo8 soft) and it takes no more than 1min to get a fix. I've made some tests before (just simple test by walking around the steets) and never have had fix delay longer than 2min.
Regards
B.

I get a fix in less than 30 seconds, using destinator and garmin xt

Hi,
I use Google maps and Nav4All. With Nav4All it takes very long to get a fix. What I do is I start Google Maps, wait till I get a GPS fix (10 seconds?). Turn of Google Maps and start Nav4All.
So my gues is, that it's not the Touch Pro, but the software. I also had this with my old Mio TomTom could take forever and an old unknow AND Navigator worked almost inmediatly.
BTW, I have the Assisted GPS turned on
Regards,
AJ

Hi,
something with gps(hardware or software) in Raphael is wrong. When I compared it with Kaiser, same software one each other in the car, raphael have lag(delay) 5-15sec. When I stop the car Kaiser display 0km after 2 max(rarely) 3 transition of speed display, Raphael has much more 5-15. While driving, arows is most of time behind the car(Kaiser) and sometimes in front of car on the route.
Regards
Pajaa

Used mine in the car the otherday for the first time. Got a fix in about 30 seconds and there wasn't any noticable lag.
Using TomTom 6.

I use Garmin mobile. I get 6 satellites in less than a minute. The arrow is a little behind on the map, but less than 200 feet.

thanks for the reply on the fix, but what worries me is mostly the gps lag, and battery life. any info on that?
thanx people

bzdziagwa said:
20min to get a fix? It's joke ? Yesterday I've tested GPS very hard (Nav iGo8 soft) and it takes no more than 1min to get a fix. I've made some tests before (just simple test by walking around the steets) and never have had fix delay longer than 2min.
Regards
B.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
mine takes much longer but i don't mind that as much as I mind the fact it drops the connection if I donut have the phone up in my window in the car where my Kaiser would stay connected anywhere

I had TyTN II(still have) but after I got the Touch Pro I found that the TP took a much longer time to get a fix(if at all). This is quite unexpected so I hope a newer ROM will fix this.

Hi,
something interesting for us with gps lag
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2628634&postcount=306
Regards

I've tested my pro yesterday with tomtom 7..
I had my fix in like 2 minutes...but I runned first the quickgps.

The speed of the first fix depends very much on three conditions:
1st) when was your last fix. if that was longer ago than a couple of days the sat-position-data is outdated.
2nd) how much sky you can see (f.e. between high buildings is not optimal)
and 3rd) the weather. With clear sky the gps-signal is stronger than on a cloudy day.
But you can increase the first fix very much by using the "QuickGPS" application included in the original ROM. With this tool you can eliminate point one.

installed TomTom yesterday (version 7)
downloaded a city map.
and tested it last nicht.
fix within 30seconds indoors. (started the app to plan the way home from work)
during the drive home, i had no lag or wath ever..
worked like a charme for me.

igo8 fix less than 15 seconds but has lag. not much but noticeable more than tytn2.
i had a tytn2 before the touch pro...
also tytn2 i could see 7-8 sattelites, even 9 but with touch pro, never more than 5, usually 3-4.
bit disappointing...
also my igo8 crashes with "out of memory" error when i zoom out and pan the map, i have buildings and geographic details installed on it.
but i guess thats just because of igo8 on vga

vblues said:
I had TyTN II(still have) but after I got the Touch Pro I found that the TP took a much longer time to get a fix(if at all). This is quite unexpected so I hope a newer ROM will fix this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Perhaps more like new Radio ROMs might help

I rather use iGo8, but I hate the lag. Hope the HTC fix is out soon.
Vinh

Mine normally takes about 2 mins using TT7, which is significantly longer than my TyTn II would normally take. Lag is about the same (in fact slightly less) than on the TyTn II.
The weird thing is that if you look in the GPS config in TT7, it can be seeing 10+ satellites and still not reporting a lock. That has to be a software problem doesn't it?
When mine does lock, it always has a signal strength of 4+ bars - makes me wonder if there is something in the software that could be tweaked to make it report a lock faster (using less satellites), but with initially slightly less accuracy. That would be fine with me!
Rowan

I use the GPS and Mapking, without aGPS. It get a locked quite fast < 1 min. It manage to get a location a bit after searching a destination. So consider quite good. Almost as fast as my Garmin nuvi.

jwhitham said:
Used mine in the car the otherday for the first time. Got a fix in about 30 seconds and there wasn't any noticable lag.
Using TomTom 6.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can I ask, how you set the internal gps up in TomTom plz???
or anyone

gps signal is not htc fault?

hello i have a touch pro and i think the poor gps fix is not an issue from htc, i guess it's a tomtom thing. when i use tomtom with the touch pro it has usualy around the 2-5 minutes to get a fix, with sygic mcguider installed on my touch pro it's always less then a minute
on both software i download the latest quickgpsfix before starting the programs
someone else tried it with sygic mcguider?

It 's definetely HTC 's fault. I never had issues in GPS fix. But with all tips and teeks installed GPS lag is allways present. I tried most of GPS software floating arround with no luck. Also tweeks are working in some raphaels and some not with same rom installed.

I absolutely agree. I tested several navigation and gps test software. all of them hat the gps issue of the touch pro
freco said:
It 's definetely HTC 's fault. I never had issues in GPS fix. But with all tips and teeks installed GPS lag is allways present. I tried most of GPS software floating arround with no luck. Also tweeks are working in some raphaels and some not with same rom installed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Actually my TP gets a GPS fix with 6 to 8 sats very fast. The problem is the GPS lag (i.e. If you drive fast you get the directions late), that is a common problem and HTC is actually making a fix for it.
I am using .28 radio and ROMeOS 1.21...

For TomTom, i saw a small fix/tweak that helps (thread is somewhere not to far:
In tom tom: Change Preferences
Show GPS status -> configure
Choose Other NMEA GPS Receiver -> Baud Rate: 38400 on COM4
Maybe its just me but it seems to speed up acquisition time and reduce lag.
I also removed the logging with Avanced Configuration which probably helps some

Matthes42 said:
I absolutely agree. I tested several navigation and gps test software. all of them hat the gps issue of the touch pro
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
did you try the latest Sygic Mcguider v 7.60
within a minute i got every time a fix (my touch pro is one of the first in holland (early august)

No prpblem with TomTom and internal GPS.
Well i just took an hour's trip (30 mins both way) to a friend's place and i had no trouble running TomTom with my Touch Pro's gps. Coming from a phone with a BT external gps it works just fine and dandy. Initial signal fix was less than 4 mins. No more carrying around an external receiver.

Your results are far from beeing decent my friend.
With my P3300 (Artemis) fix was very fast and I never had lag problem.
My TP has same fix time but lag never go away. There is a fix for TomTom (not working in all TP) but it 's not a solution because not everybody uses TomTom. I prefer iGO8.

freco said:
Your results are far from beeing decent my friend.
With my P3300 (Artemis) fix was very fast and I never had lag problem.
My TP has same fix time but lag never go away. There is a fix for TomTom (not working in all TP) but it 's not a solution because not everybody uses TomTom. I prefer iGO8.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What do you mean by TomTom not working in all TP?? Since i got my TouchPro on Sunay, i've been using TomTom almost every day without issue. GPS locks on fast (<3 mins), no lags whatsoever at least for me. TomTom definitely works well on mine.

Well, I dont know. Im really confused by this issue. For every suggested fix there are some who report progress and others not. I am in that probably small group where nothing much has made a big difference (radio, ROM, settings and registry changes). I am using Copilot 7 Diamond edition. My TP still staggers about like a drunk in a nightclub -usually behind my position and bizarrely sometimes ahead. It cant manage corners, and it still comes to an intermittent stop whilst I am bowling along at 70mph. I have noticed that it seems car sensitive though - presumably windscreen type. In my wife's car it is much better than in mine. That might account for some of the variation in reports with the TP. I truly hope that HTC are working on a cab fix otherwise I too will be driving like a drunk for the foreseeable future!

It is confusing. That's true.
Until now I don't have any problems whatsoever with my TomTom 7.450 (Dutch ROM right from the factory, unbranded). I only had 1 or 2 times where my fix took long (> 2min). But most of the time I have a fix within 30 sec with > 6 satelites. I'm still trying everyday to verify that my device behaves at it should. Therefore, I have not tweaked my device until now. I also don't use quickgps.
My lag is small, while walking it is only 10 meters, I think. It very nicely shows I'm walking at 6 km/h, without any problems. Next will be trials in the car when I have my new car mount available.

Hi, I have a TP too, I´m very happy with the gps signal. but not at the begin. The gps signal was better when I change to .31 radio.
I need to deactivate A-Gps feature to get a good gps fix.

LordLugard said:
What do you mean by TomTom not working in all TP??
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I mean that the tweek is working on some devices. Also there are people that use iGO8 or Navigon. Problem is not solved if some devices works fine with TomTom.
LordLugard said:
Since i got my TouchPro on Sunay, i've been using TomTom almost every day without issue. GPS locks on fast (<3 mins), no lags whatsoever at least for me. TomTom definitely works well on mine.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
GPS lock on <3 mins is not acceptable time. Let 's say you get in your car, start TomTom and wait 2-3 minutes to get a fix?
Mine locks < 1 minute. It was never more than 1 minute even out of the box. But GPS lag is a pain in the @ss.

freco said:
I mean that the tweek is working on some devices. Also there are people that use iGO8 or Navigon. Problem is not solved if some devices works fine with TomTom.
GPS lock on <3 mins is not acceptable time. Let 's say you get in your car, start TomTom and wait 2-3 minutes to get a fix?
Mine locks < 1 minute. It was never more than 1 minute even out of the box. But GPS lag is a pain in the @ss.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So...i'm perfectly fine chilling for a coupla minutes for a gps lock. 2 minutes, i wouldn't split my knickers over. Besides i' usually fiddling with something and adjusting the radio so by the time i'm ready to pull out, John Cleese is also ready for me. I'm okay with it, very satisfied.

Class action suit regarding GPS

So there are more than enough problems with internal GPS for several devices. The Fuze obviously, im sure the Diamond, and my friend and his Tilt. Basically we have to go through all these steps just to get it to work properly. So i was thinking a suit may get them to fix the problem with it.
I am absolutely certain it is regarding the internal GPS and not the anything else in the phone, because if it takes too long to find a fix i just use my BT Holux 236 Slim instead of waiting and it finds it well lets just say IMMEDIATELY lol.

I had an old toshiba WM device with pharos add on gps. It took like 5-6 mins to lock.
I can do a morning gps fix with my fuze in about 30 seconds. No AGPS, but I do download the quickgps info. It's good enough for me.

does AGPs actually slow it down? i thought that would make it faster

lbhocky19 said:
does AGPs actually slow it down? i thought that would make it faster
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
AGPS + IPHONE + 3G = FAIL.
It's not just Raphael here. If you google that, there's lots of suggestions to switch to Edge, then use the GPS, then get back on 3G.

I have a Fuze and my GPS is working fine. I initially had issues getting a lock and I had to use HTC GPS Tool... only once. After that I get a lock within 1 minute if that much when using TomTom.
I am also using 3G/HSUPA. I do have AGPS turned off and I have QuickGPS configured to download updates automatically. Once other change I made was to the "External GPS" in the System settings - I changed the COM port to 1 and speed to 38400. I tested both with COM 1 and COM 4 and it didn't made much of a difference.
I have also flashed a few different ROMs and GPS works on all of them, including AT&T stock ROM.

I don't think HTC cares about Class Action Suits.

No they don't care about class action lawsuits, because we keep buying their phones I get consistent 30 second GPS locks on my fuze.

I dunno, maybe i'm just lucky but even when the Blackjack 2 came out and people were having GPS issues (and needing the Modaco GPS unlocker Cab) i never needed such things. Maybe i'm more technical and can find root of problems easily that i don't even notice i'm doing it. I don't think that's the case though, i downloaded WLS and Google Maps and configure them both properly. I knew about the intermediate driver but the current version of Google Maps didn't have support for that yet but it came out a week later and that's when it finally started working right.
I noticed there was a note about GPS concerning the Fuze so i dug into it and knew i had to use COM4 for GPS instead of the standard intermediate driver (Garmin Mobile auto configed itself to the right COM). I don't get any lag or issues, it also uses aGPS if it's enabled, my phone automatically logs on when i open it.

I have alltel TOuch Pro and my gps locks in in like 4 seconds never more than 10

GREGHARKINS said:
I have alltel TOuch Pro and my gps locks in in like 4 seconds never more than 10
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have the Touch Pro as well but on Sprint, I've experienced the same.

hey guys,
what do u think about appear and disappear problem?
i mean that, my tp finds alot of satellites but two of them appears the others disappears, then they appear the others disappear.
And finaly poor reception and i.e.my car speed like "100" km but tp "0" km speed and too much lag.
I ve tried everything at this forum except roms.I couldnt have any solution.
I send 3-4 e-mail to htc support team and they turned me back with silly answers without solution.
Now i cant use my internal gps that i paid like 900$ tp.I think this will be my last htc.

The GPS issues I was having with my Fuze ultimately led to it's return.
The GPS performance was just too volatile and I need to be able to depend on it when I need it.
GL

Before you fight the power, might want to research the issue better. I believe all the people who say there are problems with their GPS, but it has to be related to particular batch/devices.
I have no issues with GPS. I run iGO8 on my Fuze, it connects very quickly, AGPS enabled. Accuracy is awesome, better than on Tilt it'd seem. So no complaints here.
So before we sue someone, somebody should compare the devices and find what is it that makes the GPS work on some and not work on others.
Just my opinion.

My GPS works great. I get a fix in around 30 seconds, and when I do, I can leave it in front of the gear stick on my car, because I still didn't buy a windshield holder, and it works just fine.
It works much better than a dedicated Bluetooth GPS I used in the past.

DarkDvr said:
Before you fight the power, might want to research the issue better. I believe all the people who say there are problems with their GPS, but it has to be related to particular batch/devices.
I have no issues with GPS. I run iGO8 on my Fuze, it connects very quickly, AGPS enabled. Accuracy is awesome, better than on Tilt it'd seem. So no complaints here.
So before we sue someone, somebody should compare the devices and find what is it that makes the GPS work on some and not work on others.
Just my opinion.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Interesting...I never usa AGPS, it always seems to mess my phone up. I do the automatic GPS download and I get a lock within 30 sec.

Obviously the people posting think since theres work than its not an issue. There are plenty of threads in the diamond, raphael, and tilt forums regarding GPS issues.
The only reason i brought the suit idea in was because it has done before and HTC then provided the drivers. I dont want any money from them, i just want my GPS to work well. I am pretty sure nobody else wants to return their phone they just a WELL working GPS.

I have no problems with GPS lock on my Fuze. I had initial issues, but after I ran the GPS Test and got a fix - one time - I was all set.
Besides, whom do you sue? HTC or the operators who are motivated to cripple GPS or tie it exclusively to their fee-for-service plan?

xboxhaxorz said:
Obviously the people posting think since theres work than its not an issue. There are plenty of threads in the diamond, raphael, and tilt forums regarding GPS issues.
The only reason i brought the suit idea in was because it has done before and HTC then provided the drivers. I dont want any money from them, i just want my GPS to work well. I am pretty sure nobody else wants to return their phone they just a WELL working GPS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Drivers are one thing.
A class action suit is something else.
I'm all for speedier, but I just did a test here.
HARD RESET
Bloat remove
Install a few apps, sync phone to restore contacts.
Disable AGPS, download QuickGPS.
Launched google maps for the first time. It took about 40 seconds to lock on 8 satellites inside my house. I don't get this good with my other dedicated gps devices, they usually take 2-5 mins to lock on to 5.
--------------------
Again,
I'm all for speedier! But I rather like how fast the GPS set works in this phone, even after a hard reset. Maybe it's ATT software that does something on the configurator load on a hard reset?

The new rom from Da_G uses gps drivers from the blackstone and for the first time since i bought the phone (since day 1) i get consistent, fast gps locks. With these drivers i consider the problem solved. Now..to get other cooks to include them as they have to be cooked in.

I have only had mine for about a week now and not really any issues with GPS. I would load up tom tom and configure it before i leave, and before i make it off my porch i have at least 3 sats locked, and by the time im in my car its ready to roll. I have only used it for short trips so far (15-30 minutes) and have not experienced the heat up issues i have read about, or the GPS lag. Time will tell i guess.

Why all the GPS issues??? Does the Touch Pro 2 provide possible answers?

So I think there's a reason we're running into all these GPS issues. Our GPS is sub-par. Having been using a TyTn II since the day it came out, until the Fuze shipped late last I'm very disappointed with the performance of the GPS on my Fuze. I've done countless tweaks, ROM upgrades, Radio Upgrades to no avail. The lag will just not go away.
My wife still has my old TyTn II and we need to use GPS on it whenever we're traveling, because the amount of times and lag make the Fuze simply unbearable in comparison.
This comparison chart seems to highlight a difference in GPS between the Touch Pro 2, and the Touch Pro...
This link is taken from Fuzemobility.com http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf and compares the
GPS from the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2... I don't know why, but something about the wording makes it seem like the Antenna on the Touch Pro 2 is superior to that of the Touch Pro.
Anyone else have a take on this?

what exactly do you mean? i didnt see anything different. but i do feel for you with the lag...

IndustryCanada said:
So I think there's a reason we're running into all these GPS issues. Our GPS is sub-par. Having been using a TyTn II since the day it came out, until the Fuze shipped late last I'm very disappointed with the performance of the GPS on my Fuze. I've done countless tweaks, ROM upgrades, Radio Upgrades to no avail. The lag will just not go away.
My wife still has my old TyTn II and we need to use GPS on it whenever we're traveling, because the amount of times and lag make the Fuze simply unbearable in comparison.
This comparison chart seems to highlight a difference in GPS between the Touch Pro 2, and the Touch Pro...
This link is taken from Fuzemobility.com http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf and compares the
GPS from the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2... I don't know why, but something about the wording makes it seem like the Antenna on the Touch Pro 2 is superior to that of the Touch Pro.
Anyone else have a take on this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey I know that link If you want your Fuze to properly function with GPS take a look at this: http://www.fuzemobility.com/the-fuze-and-gps/
I'm using the leaked ROM now and it's great. I can literally get a fix in seconds. I'm indoors now (10' from a window) and I can still get a few satellites in a matter of seconds. if it's a hot start (connecting to gps after I've done it earlier int he day) it can be as little as 4 seconds.

2 & "1" have nearly identical hardware. The GPS issue on touch pro can be easily fixed with a ROM that works for you. I have a fuze and for some reason it just refused to work with Romeos, but when I switched to RRE rom GPS miraculously works! i get a lock within seconds now.

baboola said:
2 & "1" have nearly identical hardware. The GPS issue on touch pro can be easily fixed with a ROM that works for you. I have a fuze and for some reason it just refused to work with Romeos, but when I switched to RRE rom GPS miraculously works! i get a lock within seconds now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My GPS works with respect to getting a lock. I have no issues getting a lock, and I've tried several ROMS including Energy, Arrup's, NATF's, and several Radio's.
I've never had it work with any form of consistency. Some days works great (always with lag) and others it's terrible. One thing I notice with any version is terrible lag, it's just not real-time data like I used to get on my Tytn II.

IndustryCanada said:
My GPS works with respect to getting a lock. I have no issues getting a lock, and I've tried several ROMS including Energy, Arrup's, NATF's, and several Radio's.
I've never had it work with any form of consistency. Some days works great (always with lag) and others it's terrible. One thing I notice with any version is terrible lag, it's just not real-time data like I used to get on my Tytn II.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's true.
Just buy an external GPS Bluetooth receiver and pair with Raphael, then all the GPS issues are gone.

IndustryCanada said:
So I think there's a reason we're running into all these GPS issues. Our GPS is sub-par. Having been using a TyTn II since the day it came out, until the Fuze shipped late last I'm very disappointed with the performance of the GPS on my Fuze. I've done countless tweaks, ROM upgrades, Radio Upgrades to no avail. The lag will just not go away.
My wife still has my old TyTn II and we need to use GPS on it whenever we're traveling, because the amount of times and lag make the Fuze simply unbearable in comparison.
This comparison chart seems to highlight a difference in GPS between the Touch Pro 2, and the Touch Pro...
This link is taken from Fuzemobility.com http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf and compares the
GPS from the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2... I don't know why, but something about the wording makes it seem like the Antenna on the Touch Pro 2 is superior to that of the Touch Pro.
Anyone else have a take on this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
a simple radio rom update will fix this, with the 1.12.25.19 radio and the rilphone from that radio and agps enabled, I get a lock in about 5 seconds, and it used to take me FOR EVER to get a lock something like 4 or 5 minutes.

Nghiem said:
That's true.
Just buy an external GPS Bluetooth receiver and pair with Raphael, then all the GPS issues are gone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
did you even read. All that will fix is GPS fix. The slowness comes from the fuze's performance more or less.

AkumaMax said:
did you even read. All that will fix is GPS fix. The slowness comes from the fuze's performance more or less.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
May I just ask you the same question "did you even read"? With an ext Bluetooth GPS receiver, all the issues e.g fix and lag are gone away; not just a GPS fix issue. Furthermore, IndustryCanada clearly said that "I've done countless tweaks, ROM upgrades, Radio Upgrades to no avail. The lag will just not go away." and "...with any version is terrible lag"
Do you believe that 2 FUZEs run the same ROM, same Navigator applications but the one with an ext. bluetooth GPS receiver doesn't have any speed lag and position lag?
I do know AGPS enabled with radio 1.12.25.19 and its rilphone.dll significantly reduce the time to get a sat. lock; however, what happens when you go to somewhere that doesn't have any cellphone signal; people don't have data connection plan; or many carriers in the other countries do not support AGPS?
FYI, take a look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=503690 and here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427888&highlight=touchpro+GPS+lag+problems

GSM Raphael position lag can be completely fixed with internal GPS and TomTom if you run the correct ROM. Here's a video showing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFaOFYzfqqQ
Speed lag can't be fixed but isn't much of an issue imo.

i9003 just released - GPS is bad!!!!

Incredible reading:
http://www.techtree.com/India/Reviews/Samsung_Galaxy_S_LCD_GT-I9003_Review/551-114781-614-5.html
GPS locking with Google Maps was one of the early and crucial issues with the GT-I9000 and I hoped that it didn't exist in GT-I9003. But I was disappointed partially. Even this phone continues to have quick GPS locking issues. Whether I used the GPS or turned on data connection for A-GPS support, the accuracy level is still around 500-600 meters. It was the same with my backup phone Nokia E63. Apparently, the smartphone offers A-GPS support and is dependent on data connectivity to fetch the exact location.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
One year later, they release a new phone with a GPS that s**ks again...
Well, I'll be really waiting for guinea pigs to jump on the i9100 before moving....

My i9000 is awesome for GPS. Better than my iPhone 3g and my 2.3 nexus one.. I sold my navman. Different region's I guess.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App

Can't say I am satisfied with the i9000 gps, my old glofish 500 beats it hands down but with a couple of tweaks the i9000 gps works ok.
The i9003 battery is 1650 instead of 1500 and it should also fit in the i9000.

The i9003 is the SAME PHONE as the i9000, just with different screen technology. Therefore, its perfectly reasonable to expect the GPS to function in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
If yours sucks, then that's the perception you'll have of the i9003. Personally I don't think it's that bad, but it's not as good as the i8900; which goes to show that Samsung *DO* know how to do GPS; they just got the antenna wrong in the i900x range.

stuclark said:
The i9003 is the SAME PHONE as the i9000, just with different screen technology. Therefore, its perfectly reasonable to expect the GPS to function in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
If yours sucks, then that's the perception you'll have of the i9003. Personally I don't think it's that bad, but it's not as good as the i8900; which goes to show that Samsung *DO* know how to do GPS; they just got the antenna wrong in the i900x range.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Totally agree with this. Although since loading JV1 onto my SGS I'm of a somewhat different opinion - 3 days in and my GPS is working "great" and I'm getting an accuracy of between 8-16 feet every time, something which I never had with <= JPY. Makes you wonder why it's so hit and miss...

stuclark said:
The i9003 is the SAME PHONE as the i9000, just with different screen technology. Therefore, its perfectly reasonable to expect the GPS to function in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
If yours sucks, then that's the perception you'll have of the i9003. Personally I don't think it's that bad, but it's not as good as the i8900; which goes to show that Samsung *DO* know how to do GPS; they just got the antenna wrong in the i900x range.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
no its not just the screen. different gpu(sgx530 instead of sgx540), different chipset(OMAP instead of hummingbird). And its thicker.

stuclark said:
The i9003 is the SAME PHONE as the i9000, just with different screen technology. Therefore, its perfectly reasonable to expect the GPS to function in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
If yours sucks, then that's the perception you'll have of the i9003. Personally I don't think it's that bad, but it's not as good as the i8900; which goes to show that Samsung *DO* know how to do GPS; they just got the antenna wrong in the i900x range.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Maybe you should do a little research before posting. Like someone has already pointed out, the hardware is quite different.
In any case I bought a GT-9003 last week and I havent faced any GPS issues like you mention, whether under open skies or inside a building.

Blaaargh said:
Maybe you should do a little research before posting. Like someone has already pointed out, the hardware is quite different.
In any case I bought a GT-9003 last week and I havent faced any GPS issues like you mention, whether under open skies or inside a building.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have you actually used it in the past week?

My i9000 GPS is ok, unless you drive in areas with high density roads. The issue is with accuracy, really uneven and sometimes just not enough to avoid jumping through roads while driving.
Fix in steady mode, no driving is a very bad way to test the GPS.
Actually, when driving in a city with many close roads, I pare it with my external Bluetooth GPS. Accuracy is unbeatable (3-16 ft all the time) and I spare my battery
PS: googoo Bluetooth GPS v0.5.9a works like a charm, no crash with JS7 (unlike Bluetooth GPS Provider v1.2.6 which crashes in froyo)

jonny_ftm said:
My i9000 GPS is ok, unless you drive in areas with high density roads. The issue is with accuracy, really uneven and sometimes just not enough to avoid jumping through roads while driving.
Fix in steady mode, no driving is a very bad way to test the GPS.
Actually, when driving in a city with many close roads, I pare it with my external Bluetooth GPS. Accuracy is unbeatable (3-16 ft all the time) and I spare my battery
PS: googoo Bluetooth GPS v0.5.9a works like a charm, no crash with JS7 (unlike Bluetooth GPS Provider v1.2.6 which crashes in froyo)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Bluetooth GPS doesn't work anymore in some new kernels from Samsung

based on the specs... it's just a crappier version of the i9000. seems like what ended up with excess materials not used by i9000.
why the hell would it have better GPS then ?

herbert1 said:
Bluetooth GPS doesn't work anymore in some new kernels from Samsung
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
JS7 is a very new kernel. I don't expect the soft not working on JS8 as no major differences
However, "Bluetooth GPS Provider" is another soft and yes, it doesn't work anymore.
On the other hand, Bluetooth GPS from googoo works

jonny_ftm said:
JS7 is a very new kernel. I don't expect the soft not working on JS8 as no major differences
However, "Bluetooth GPS Provider" is another soft and yes, it doesn't work anymore.
On the other hand, Bluetooth GPS from googoo works
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Would flashing a custom kernel help?

gothfebrio said:
no its not just the screen. different gpu(sgx530 instead of sgx540), different chipset(OMAP instead of hummingbird). And its thicker.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
is thiccker because of the bigger battery... the worst of this phone is lack of custom rom or kernel mod, is just a simple samsung phone with stock options... and no more. but performance is good and the screen is not bad.. i've got it couple of days,and i'm well impressed.

GPS not working on my i9003 also . Even tried GPS aids,GpsFix, GPS Status and FasterFix apps also for GPS but of no use. Any Idea how to get it working. Mine is an India version
FROYO.DDKB2
Kernel version 2.6.32.9
Baseband version I9003DDKA5
Firmware version 2.2.1
Please help me how to go about it.

My GPS on i9005 was terrible using Arabic JPKB1 Firmware.
Installing European XXKB3 Firmware solved the GPS issues. GPS now works great -- A Cold fix in under a minute and hot fixes in few seconds. Accuracy is very good.

Mine is i9000 manufactured in October 2010. I bought it as a secondhand one. For the first two months I was crazy with the GPS and I really wanted to sell it to buy another one (like Desire Z or Droid 2 Global). The reason is it was really hard to get fixed, If I were lucky, sometimes 2 minutes with maximum 3-4 satellites, but most of the times I had to give up after 5 mins without any locks.
But after I upgraded to the latest 2.3.3 European ROM AND installed GPSfix, now it's just easy for me to get fixed under 20s outside with at least 6 satellites, sometimes 9 or 10. Once the satellites get locked, if you restart the GPS even after a while, it takes only 5-10s to get them locked again. It works like a charm with all Navigation apps, such as the buit-in Nav, Google maps or Osmand.
The accuracy is normally 30m, but sometimes it goes up to 10m. I've been testing for 2 weeks and never had a problem since then.
I don't know what fixed the problems, the Gingerbread or the GPSfix, but now I don't dare to try anything, even uninstalling the GPSfix.
It's quite funny that I live in Vietnam and I flashed the European ROM via ODIN, and now my GPS is working flawlessly.
PS: my firmware is XXJVO