There you have it gentlemen. It is all about $$$$$$$$
AT&T Looks To Drive Revenue With Higher-Priced Data Plans
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--AT&T Inc. (T) is raising the ante again on data.
When customers sign up for a new plan starting Sunday, they will have to pay as much as 33% more each month, part of a strategy by the telecommunications giant to compensate for the 40% annual increase in wireless data use on its networks and to capitalize on consumers' tastes for data-hungry devices like the Apple Inc. (AAPL) iPhone.
AT&T noted under its new pricing structure, consumers will be able to use more data; however, they also will have to pay a higher bill, a continuing trend in the wireless industry. Since 2007, when the wildly popular iPhone debuted, AT&T has more than doubled average monthly data revenue per user to $25.14 in last year's third quarter from $12.01.
The wireless carrier has relied heavily on data to boost profits in recent years, as the market for new customers dries up. Data accounted for 39% of AT&T's revenue from wireless customers through the third quarter, up from just 20% in 2007.
AT&T and others have argued they need to carefully manage usage on their networks in the face of a coming shortage of available wireless airwaves, known as spectrum. The carrier is on the hunt for more spectrum following its failed $39 billion bid for T-Mobile, which it had said would bolster its network and ease capacity constraints.
Under the new plans, users will pay $5 more per month, though their monthly data allotment will rise. The least-expensive smartphone data plan, for instance, will jump to $20 for 300 megabytes of data--about an hour and a half of streaming video--from $15 for 200 megabytes.
"It seems like they are going to just keep raising prices; and for what?" said Kamille Cooper, 22, an iPhone 4 user who has maintained her $30 unlimited AT&T data plan for about four years. "It makes you wonder when they are going to come after the people like me." she doesn't know
AT&T introduced the first data caps in 2010, arguing consumers who traded down to lower-priced plans could save money.
"We think it made sense to give customers more data upfront and to give them more value," an AT&T spokesman said. "Data usage continues to increase."
New AT&T smartphone and tablet customers needing more data will pay $30 for three gigabytes of data, up from $25 for two gigabytes, and $50 for five gigabytes, from $45 for four gigabytes. That compares with Verizon Wireless's two-gigabyte and five-gigabyte plans for $30 and $50 per month, respectively.
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Where does it explain in that thread the economical reasons for their move?
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No where...by all means feel free to create multiple threads about the same damn subject soley to share your own opinion that very well could have been shared in the existing thread
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privatewarrior1 said:
Where does it explain in that thread the economical reasons for their move?
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They throttle because data is expensive to transmit and they want to make profit /thread
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I remember reading an interview with a Verizon Wireless executive a few months ago. He stated that since killing off their unlimited $30 data plan last July, they want customers to move from the new $30/2gb plans to their higher $50/5gb and $80/10gb plans, thanks to data intensive applications like YouTube and NetFlix. They want to increase their ARPU. At least he was honest that he wants to squeeze more out of customers to increase their bottom lines.
You can stay on the 2GB plan, they aren't forcing you off it. In reality, its cheaper for these new plans. If you went over on the 2GB plan, another gig is $10, the new plan is 3GB for $30, $5 cheaper. Good for people who go over often.
Same with the 5GB plan, its $5 also, and includes no deep packet inspection from att. Honestly. I'm glad to see them raise data limits, at least they are offering more data. I'll stick to my $30 for unlimited though.
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2gb or even 5gb of data won't be enough for users the way things are going, HD videos, HD apps, video chat ect. Prepare to pay minimum $150 for one line in a couple of years from now. The carriers are in control pretty much from here on. The funny thing is a pay $30 for my internet at home and is fast and unlimited. Carriers - data is expensive to deliver wireless, I say BS excuses to raise our phone bill
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The consensus from a few customers i have in the industry is that it costs them roughly 3 cents per MB used...why should the guy using more not be charged more. I of course view it the same way as you..innevitibly it "should" eventually go back to unlimited just as home service and talk time did. Here is where it gets just plain stupid...their issue is not the data we use but the traffic we generate on sites, which in turn creates advertising monies. Where is that money going? They (carriers) can't touch it.
The solution. Charge the user.
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2gb or even 5gb of data won't be enough for users the way things are going, HD videos, HD apps, video chat ect. Prepare to pay minimum $150 for one line in a couple of years from now. The carriers are in control pretty much from here on. The funny thing is a pay $30 for my internet at home and is fast and unlimited. Carriers - data is expensive to deliver wireless, I say BS excuses to raise our phone bill
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You bottom line is if a company does not make money they don't stay a company long. if you figure up what 1 mega byte is on the old plans compared to the new ones I think you will find the new is a better deal. None the less what allot of you folks don't understand is there is allot of cost you don't think about for instance out goes all the way down the line, raises for the execs down to the assholes who climb the towers to install strobe lights on them or how much money it cost to install the lte in all the new places. Bottom line you Fockers want all the good fast **** for free and the economy just don't work that way. look at it this way atleast att is a American based company creating jobs for Americans to do all this work.
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I don't even live in a LTE network..I did however get a warning text ”you are in the top 10% of all data users” Come on...!
dailywireless.org/2012/01/06/we-are-the-top-1-of-data-users
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An lte charge? Please do explain...
Our plan pricing did not change
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I noticed I pay extra still, with unlimited..+ a LTE charge. I don't even live in a LTE network..I did however get a warning text ”you are in the top 10% of all data users” Come on...!
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I stand corrected..the charge is only 30$..My wife had complained..but I just looked and it is no extra charge..Sorry
Damn looks like everyone is throttling their data, I can help with some of your cancellation fees if your in the Tampa bay area. If you're willing to switch to Tmobile that is buahahahaha
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Did anyone else switch to this (non-contract EM+)?
I switched and it took effect on yesterday's billing cycle. And now the data connection doesn't work. Opening the browser redirects everything to web2go.com. I've tried calling T-Mobile and they can't figure it out. And the last person I was talking to literally put me on hold and then LITERALLY left. And now since it's after hours, there's no more customer service. What a [email protected]#! *#$%*.
Has anyone else switched to the promo that they had a few days ago?
There's a guy on T-mobile's forums that has the same issue and no resolution. Maybe that's the reason they pulled it so quick.
Sucks that they pulled it. I ran to the store as soon as I could to take advantage of it, but T-mobile employees didn't even know it existed by the 16th. :-(
You know there is always simple mobile 60 bucks a month unlimited.
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You know there is always simple mobile 60 bucks a month unlimited.
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Never heard of it. What is Simple Mobile? Is that a regional carrier?
Not really sure i live in chicago and use it and get hspa+ on a mytouch 4g. Simple Mobile is a mvno of tmobile and accepts a wide variety of gsm devices. Check out thier site...
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Simple Mobile is Wal-mart. They use the T-mobile towers for their service.
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Simple Mobile is Wal-mart. They use the T-mobile towers for their service.
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Do they have access to ALL of T-Mobiles towers? Meaning Simple Mobile coverage is 100% = to T-Mobile's?
Or only in certain parts of the country?
Not too sure about the walmart connection saw a pic of the president of the company and he didnt look like a white amercan southener to me...check out the website it will answer all your questions
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Not too sure about the walmart connection saw a pic of the president of the company and he didnt look like a white amercan southener to me...check out the website it will answer all your questions
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You're right, I'm getting it mixed up with Wal-mart's plans.
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You know there is always simple mobile 60 bucks a month unlimited.
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I use simple On my mytouch 4g and I love it!!! Would recommend to ANYONE who wants exactly the save service (simple = TMO!) without a contract!
4g is blazing fast!!!
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Never heard of it. What is Simple Mobile? Is that a regional carrier?
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NATIONAL CARRIER... ITS TMOBILE !!
See http://www.mysimplemobile.com/Index.aspx
Do they charge tax or is it $60 total?
60 flat I've been on them for 4 months tho they do throttle after 2gbs
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Yeah they definitely throttle your account at 2gigs. I just wish these phone conpanies would be honest and just state what they offering at what price. Good thing about simple mobile is that ive got no contract with them so i can get rid of their lieing asses when i want.
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Do they charge tax or is it $60 total?
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Im a DM with T-Mobile in Minneapolis, so let me clear this up. Trust me, a lot of people are confused by this, including employees.
Simple Mobile (or Family Mobile) is a service sold by WalMart. They use Tmo towers and Tmo handsets. They have their own SIM that works in Tmo handsets without the need for unlocking.
They offer $60 unlimited everything with 2GB throttle cap. Data has access to HSPA+ and gets the same speedtest results.
It is considered a MVNO and is added in to Tmo's numbers when reporting total subscribers, but the phone number will NOT show up in any internal Tmo systems (CAM or bill pay.) Because of this, your bill can not be paid at a Tmo store.
In regards to plans, Tmo has their 79.99 TrulyUnlimited contract plan with 2GB throttle cap and had planned to release an EM+ nocontract version at the 59.99 rate. At the last minute, they pulled this plan and decided against it.
They made this decision on the 10th or 11th, so a lot of CS reps may have been confused. If you changed your EM+ plan to the 59.99 rate in anticipation of this, your data would have been disconnected on the 11th as this plan doesnt exist!
They did, however, decide to offer the 5GB throttle on the contract plan for an additional $10 making it total $89.99.
I know it sucks a little and I'm not defending the decision or anything. I will say this though - Tmo is becoming a little better at listening to customers needs and is more responsive than in the past. You can still get $79.99 with 5GB throttle on EM+ and maybe this too will change in the near future.
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Im a DM with T-Mobile in Minneapolis, so let me clear this up. Trust me, a lot of people are confused by this, including employees.
Simple Mobile (or Family Mobile) is a service sold by WalMart. They use Tmo towers and Tmo handsets. They have their own SIM that works in Tmo handsets without the need for unlocking.
They offer $60 unlimited everything with 2GB throttle cap. Data has access to HSPA+ and gets the same speedtest results.
It is considered a MVNA and is added in to Tmo's numbers when reporting total subscribers, but the phone number will NOT show up in any internal Tmo systems (CAM or bill pay.) Because of this, your bill can not be paid at a Tmo store.
In regards to plans, Tmo has their 79.99 TrulyUnlimited contract plan with 2GB throttle cap and had planned to release an EM+ nocontract version at the 59.99 rate. At the last minute, they pulled this plan and decided against it.
They made this decision on the 10th or 11th, so a lot of CS reps may have been confused. If you changed your EM+ plan to the 59.99 rate in anticipation of this, your data would have been disconnected on the 11th as this plan doesnt exist!
They did, however, decide to offer the 5GB throttle on the contract plan for an additional $10 making it total $89.99.
I know it sucks a little and I'm not defending the decision or anything. I will say this though - Tmo is becoming a little better at listening to customers needs and is more responsive than in the past. You can still get $79.99 with 5GB throttle on EM+ and maybe this too will change in the near future.
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Yep, we took the phone to a T-Mobile store and after the rep getting tossed around for literally 2 hours on the phone with T-Mobile customer service, tech support, etc, the only solution was to switch back to the original plan.
The jerks on the phone were even unwilling to credit us ANYTHING for our wasted time and energy, extreme amounts of frustration, and the lost cost of the cheaper plan.
Jerks.
Again, anyone who has Simple Mobile, is there tax or is it a flat $60 monthly bill?
Not true I have the 59.99 plan got grandfathered in only issue is the 22% tax.. everythings still working... Florida
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i have simple mobile
i have simple mobile its 60 flat no tax or anything. everywhere tmobile has signal and 4g so does simple mobile. only thing that sucks is after you use 2gb they slow down your connection to dial up speed
yes i did.. got grandfathered in since i knew about the plan...
It's such a huge selling point for Verizon. No other carrier has true unlimited data. If they do cut unlimited data, do you think they'll go the route of T-Mobile and throttle users who go over 2GB? Or will they just starting charging fees?
What I don't get is how ISPs charge $30 a month and you can do whatever the hell you want but cell phone companies want to cap you at the same price. A 2GB cap can be blown through in a few weeks, if that.
Has there been any official word that it's going to happen?
They have said they are going to tiered plans, however that doesn't mean that they are getting rid of unlimited data (to my knowledge they haven't said they are getting rid of unlimited data) but I do believe they will. If they keep unlimited data I positive it would increase substantially.
Would we be grandfathered into the thirty dollar unlimited plan?
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Actually, AT&T has data caps. Their DSL service is capped at 150GB though. I couldn't care less if Verizon capped me at 150GB on my phone for 30 bucks.
Its a pretty difficult thing to predict right now. I believe they will cap 3g but not 4g.
For a 2 Hour HD movie you are using 3gb's of data. If Verizon caps it at 2gb you have already hit your limit. 4g is more for streaming videos thus the extra speed. Who needs a 10mb connection for checking Facebook? So I really can't see them tiering 4g, well let me rephrase that I think they will tier 4g but there will be an unlimited price for probably around $50 a month. 3g is much easier to think about since we have AT&T who already has a limit with it working fine (As in people are able to do everything they already do while staying in the limit.... Well most people)
So basically right now I feel there is no way they can get away without having an unlimited plan for 4g. Plus from what I have heard the towers are much cheaper to build than the 3g towers so if bandwidth becomes a problem there can be second or even third towers built in trouble areas.
"Actually, AT&T has data caps. Their DSL service is capped at 150GB though. I couldn't care less if Verizon capped me at 150GB on my phone for 30 bucks."
That is a land line cap and has nothing to do with mobile phones. Verizon will not set a mobile cap at 150gb that is ludicrous.
According to their upper management they never had a long term plan to keep the unlimited data plans available. My rep believes the plan is to put them into plans that are similar to their existing data plans for other devices that don't have unlimited offers (USB modems, Mifi, embedded cards, etc.) Right now it's 5GB for $50 and 10GB for $80 but the assumption is they may drop the pricing because of the number of users that would be adopting the new plans. That's pretty much all I've heard so far (and it's mostly rumor and speculation anyways.)
My guess is they will wait to see if AT&T can buy T-Mo. They wont get rid of unlimited until that falls through. If it goes through, expect it to stay.
LTE is a new game completely. I dont think they want to start out by tarnishing it.
The rep at the store said there are no plans to get rid of it, but I guess he doesn't know much.
All I can say is its not certain, however, I would hope they fix any 4g issues and expand coverage (remember the outage) before they start to change their data plans.
if they change there plans can we get out of our contracts for free?
mbrown3460 said:
if they change there plans can we get out of our contracts for free?
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Sure, as long as you pay the early termination fee.
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Sure, as long as you pay the early termination fee.
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Not quite. If they breach the terms of their contract, we have the option to leave. Since the ETF is part of the contract in breach, we wouldn't have to pay the ETF. Or we can choose to remain grandfathered and continue to enjoy our unlimited plans.
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Not quite. If they breach the terms of their contract, we have the option to leave. Since the ETF is part of the contract in breach, we wouldn't have to pay the ETF. Or we can choose to remain grandfathered and continue to enjoy our unlimited plans.
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I'm sure there's some clause in the TOS that says "plans are subject to change blah blah blah."
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I'm sure there's some clause in the TOS that says "plans are subject to change blah blah blah."
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There's a clause that states if they change the price you can get out of the contract without and etf
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There's a clause that states if they change the price you can get out of the contract without and etf
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Only if it has a materially adverse effect on you. If they offered a $30 a month 3G plan as the maximum plan option with 5GB or 10GB on the phones, then the cost could only get cheaper for you, thus no materially adverse effects. If they offered higher tiers then it becomes a bit of a question, as you might need a higher tier which would adversely affect you, but verizon might be able to claim you don't really need it and it is your choice to pay more. All in all, enough *****ing can get you out of anything.
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Only if it has a materially adverse effect on you. If they offered a $30 a month 3G plan as the maximum plan option with 5GB or 10GB on the phones, then the cost could only get cheaper for you, thus no materially adverse effects. If they offered higher tiers then it becomes a bit of a question, as you might need a higher tier which would adversely affect you, but verizon might be able to claim you don't really need it and it is your choice to pay more. All in all, enough *****ing can get you out of anything.
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If they take away unlimited data or increase in price that has a material adverse effect on me.
Home ISPs do limit bandwidth, or at least monitor it. After downloading about 2.5TB of movies and music in 30 days, they called me to tell me I either needed to reduce my usage drastically or upgrade to their most expensive plan (which gave faster downloads, incidentally) and so now I pay $99.99 a month for home internet.
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Home ISPs do limit bandwidth, or at least monitor it. After downloading about 2.5TB of movies and music in 30 days, they called me to tell me I either needed to reduce my usage drastically or upgrade to their most expensive plan (which gave faster downloads, incidentally) and so now I pay $99.99 a month for home internet.
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Holy cow! That's a ton of downloading! All legally?
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Holy cow! That's a ton of downloading! All legally?
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I'll only say that I used most of the bandwidth on usenet.
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I'll only say that I used most of the bandwidth on usenet.
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Well played, sir.
data will be grandfathered in for those who already have it..
I work for VZW and per your contract you Will be able to keep your Unlimited plan for data. However like At&t, if you upgrade to a new phone after the plans go to tiered pricing which will happen, you will need to select one of the current plans which may or may not include a option of unlimited data... The biggest question at this time and what nobody at Verizon can actually claim to know will be when or how much the new plans will cost or if Big Red will start throttling the heavy users which at this time they are not doing at all.
I seen a article in Yahoo news that looks like AT&T maybe trying to move ahead with Shared data plans . I for one would love it!!!
Here is the screen shot that was supposedly AT&T system does anyone know how true this is?
But anyways Im hoping.
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/23142_large_tlgatteng8374a1.jpg
u921333 said:
I seen a article in Yahoo news that looks like AT&T maybe trying to move ahead with Shared data plans . I for one would love it!!!
Here is the screen shot that was supposedly AT&T system does anyone know how true this is?
But anyways Im hoping.
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this would make sense, other idea would be to have roll-over-data, just hoping
I had heard this rumor a while back but nothing else up until now. Thanks. I would love this too.
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It makes sense for the end user, but not the company. They'll lose profits if they allow shared data. I for one would love to see it happen though.
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It makes sense for the end user, but not the company. They'll lose profits if they allow shared data. I for one would love to see it happen though.
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LOL ..... well we havent seen a pricing structure yet maybe rediculously priced.
Anxiously waiting for some of those details to leak
In one sense, it does make some sense for the company. Lots of people are getting both tablets and phones. If they can share a data plan between them, it might spur sales of a tablet. I know a lot of people who would not get a second device because they don't want that second data plan. I was one of those that didn't want the second data plan. So I got a wifi-only tablet and tethering on my phone. But, from an ATT perspective, they might come out ahead if they used their fast LTE for the small screens of phones and let folks use the older Edge and 3G for their tablets at a decreased price because it spreads their data load.
I work for Att, and I know its going to half and half. Good cuz now you can have one set price bad cuz you need to think about what if lil Johnny uses up all my data... What do I do, oh I know get hit with overcharge... Att is about to make bank. Wait. And see.gghf
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I'm a member of a private site that pays people to take marketing surveys and just completed one about ATTs data proposed sharing plan. So it will most likely be coming in the near future.
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I work for Att, and I know its going to half and half. Good cuz now you can have one set price bad cuz you need to think about what if lil Johnny uses up all my data... What do I do, oh I know get hit with overcharge... Att is about to make bank. Wait. And see.gghf
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I smack lil Johnny around a little and give him my old nokia laying around first time it happens lol.
I use around 3 gig tops on 4 smartphone lines combined. So Im hoping they will go with at least a 5 gig tier so that I have a little room for oops.
We were talking about that this morning. I can't imagine what kind of data my son would use if i let him turn on data. That 10yr old is a dloading fool
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I work for Att, and I know its going to half and half. Good cuz now you can have one set price bad cuz you need to think about what if lil Johnny uses up all my data... What do I do, oh I know get hit with overcharge... Att is about to make bank. Wait. And see.gghf
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Verizon announced shared data beginning June 28th, AT&T will probably follow suit shortly.
verizon_share_everything_plan_details.pdf
Compared VZW's plans with my current AT&T plan (FT w/ 3 devices) and it's within about $5 of what I'm paying now.
+ is tethering on all devices without paying for the top tier.
- is overages are $15 / GB.
Verizon's new share everything plan is everything I was afraid of. Instead if choice they force the customers hand into buying a service they don't want. I'm on AT&T and I look forward to see what they offer, but if it is similar I won't be saving money, I'll be paying more while getting less data, more minutes than I use and more texts than I need. This is the perfect plan for the top tier users but for the average joe this is a slap in the face.
Saw this on Verizon's shared data plans:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/12/verizon-share-everything-data-plans-go-live-june-28/
If I'm reading that right, you pay a base of $50 for the lowest tier, plus $40 per smartphone. That seems to me to be more than I'm paying now for a total of 4GB on 2 phones plus a dumb phone ($70 base + $80 for smartphones + $30 for the dumb phone = $180 + tax). Maybe not a lot more, but more nonetheless.
If there is a similar price point for the AT&T plans, I may consider it based on whatever my average data is, but that remains to be seen. I'm guessing with Verizon's announcement that we'll see something soon.
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Saw this on Verizon's shared data plans:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/12/verizon-share-everything-data-plans-go-live-june-28/
If I'm reading that right, you pay a base of $50 for the lowest tier, plus $40 per smartphone. That seems to me to be more than I'm paying now for a total of 4GB on 2 phones plus a dumb phone ($70 base + $80 for smartphones + $30 for the dumb phone = $180 + tax). Maybe not a lot more, but more nonetheless.
If there is a similar price point for the AT&T plans, I may consider it based on whatever my average data is, but that remains to be seen. I'm guessing with Verizon's announcement that we'll see something soon.
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I have something similar on att, base plan at $80, with two smart phones at unlimited data and texts and 1200 minutes to share, the base plan has a dumb phone with unlimited data and texts as well
So 80+9+9+30+30, and don't forget about rolling over unsed minutes.
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I'm certain AT&T will do something similar. That's how they have things setup for texting now, either pay $20/month for unlimited or $.20/message and get 100 messages for the same $20, nothing in between like $10 for 500 messages, etc.
The statement that VZW is making is that minutes and texts no longer matter, they are commodity features now. The cash cow is data, which is why they bumped their data overage from $10/GB to $15/GB.
I would probably switch to a shared plan, currently have 3 phones with 3GB, 3GB, and 4GB+tether and it would be nice for me to be able to use the balance of the 2 3GB plans in a month that I do a lot of tethering.
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I'm certain AT&T will do something similar. That's how they have things setup for texting now, either pay $20/month for unlimited or $.20/message and get 100 messages for the same $20, nothing in between like $10 for 500 messages, etc.
The statement that VZW is making is that minutes and texts no longer matter, they are commodity features now. The cash cow is data, which is why they bumped their data overage from $10/GB to $15/GB.
I would probably switch to a shared plan, currently have 3 phones with 3GB, 3GB, and 4GB+tether and it would be nice for me to be able to use the balance of the 2 3GB plans in a month that I do a lot of tethering.
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Another reason why USA is slowly but steadily falling behind other developed countries. What ATT and VZW just did was overpaid for spectrum knowing that there is no true competition and they can charge whatever they want. Now they will have customers pay by the teeth for data.
The end game is that everyone else but the cellular provider loses. Customers pay more so they will buy less cellular equipment and use less. I for one will let go my personal cell phone and use company phone only. Fewer people will buy data enabled tablets. This impacts a whole slew of downstream app develops providers etc as well.
A family data share option would be great if they do it like their other plans.. offer several different size family packages like ex.
1. 2gb family
2. 3 gb family
3. 4 gb family
4. 5 gb family and so on until
5. Unlimited. And be truley unlimited family...
And if you should so choose option 1-4 let the unused balance roll over to the next month. If a company would offer this, data plans taylored to the customers needs and wants. Why have these big companies like att got away from giving their customers what they actually want and giving them what they pay for..
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AT&T announces Mobile Share: www.att.com/mobileshare
Surprisingly similar to VZW's offering.
I wonder how AT&T is going to handle discounts with the new plans. Previously only certain thing were discounted with my corp premier discount. Either way, this looks a bit more expensive for my situation.
I have 4 lines. One smart phone (unlimited data(don't really use more then 5 gigs)) and 3 dumb phones (2 of which don't have data). For the same price I'm paying now I could have data on all my lines with unlimited talk (already have unlimited txt). I'll be looking into it for sure. Just cause they offer it doesn't mean its for you or you need it or that they are "forcing" it on you.
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I searched but couldn't find a similar thread.
On my March bill in the Important Information section it says that they are changing the way they calculate taxes and surcharges on premium content:
Tax & Surcharge Base Changes Effective 4/1/13, Sprint will be changing tax systems for charges such as insurance & premium content. This update may cause an increase of taxes and/or surcharges on your bill for these products. For details of taxes & surcharges, visit sprint.com/taxesandfees.
There is a slickdeals post talking about it.
It hasn't shown up on my bill yet, but may on the next bill. The URL they refer you to hasn't been updated since November, so you can't determine if your rates are going up.
Taxes going up isn't a reason/way to cancel, but if they increase the premium service fees in any way then you can cancel without the ETF.
It's worth looking into if you want to drop Sprint for another provider (or just get out of contract to get a new phone).
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I searched but couldn't find a similar thread.
On my March bill in the Important Information section it says that they are changing the way they calculate taxes and surcharges on premium content:
Tax & Surcharge Base Changes Effective 4/1/13, Sprint will be changing tax systems for charges such as insurance & premium content. This update may cause an increase of taxes and/or surcharges on your bill for these products. For details of taxes & surcharges, visit sprint.com/taxesandfees.
There is a slickdeals post talking about it.
It hasn't shown up on my bill yet, but may on the next bill. The URL they refer you to hasn't been updated since November, so you can't determine if your rates are going up.
Taxes going up isn't a reason/way to cancel, but if they increase the premium service fees in any way then you can cancel without the ETF.
It's worth looking into if you want to drop Sprint for another provider (or just get out of contract to get a new phone).
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Why would i do that, sprint is the best coverage in my area.
Wouldn't this be a material change of contract only if you subscribe to premium services?
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Hmmm interesting
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mulhiny said:
Wouldn't this be a material change of contract only if you subscribe to premium services?
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Correct, which is why you could cancel your contract ETF free.
The question is, what is considered premium content. Is the $10 charge for more a smartphone considered premium?
Also, this may only be regional.I know people in California have been able to cancel already without the ETF.
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Correct, which is why you could cancel your contract ETF free.
The question is, what is considered premium content. Is the $10 charge for more a smartphone considered premium?
Also, this may only be regional.I know people in California have been able to cancel already without the ETF.
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The evo LTE has to be premium its one of what 3,4 phones they sell that have the radios for lte
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The evo LTE has to be premium its one of what 3,4 phones they sell that have the radios for lte
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The phone itself doesn't determine premium or not. Premium features may be items like damage protection, international calling, etc. It almost definitely has nothing to do with what phone you have. It's premium service features.
They don't charge an additional fee for LTE service. They do however charge a fee for Smartphone data service (since smartphones use more data than a traditional cell phone). That may be considered a premium service. If it is, then every Evo 4G LTE owner has an "out" on their contract.
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The phone itself doesn't determine premium or not. Premium features may be items like damage protection, international calling, etc. It almost definitely has nothing to do with what phone you have. It's premium service features.
They don't charge an additional fee for LTE service. They do however charge a fee for Smartphone data service (since smartphones use more data than a traditional cell phone). That may be considered a premium service. If it is, then every Evo 4G LTE owner has an "out" on their contract.
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Pretty sure on my og evo there was an additional wimax fee on top of the premium data fee
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Pretty sure on my og evo there was an additional wimax fee on top of the premium data fee
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Og evo only had $10 up charge
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damn it
My bill went up 36 cents to $70.31a month!
I'm going to switch to Verizon and pay $110 to 120. a month!
That'll teach em!
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Thanks for sharing. I've been looking for a way out of my contact. Sprint service here gets worse by the day. Most times I get about 10kb download on 3G. And that's when my data isn't disconnecting constantly.
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If there is a way out of the contract then I'm definitely taking advantage of that and buying a new phone. HTC One or the Galaxy S4. Most likely the S4 since I'm getting sick of HTC. Good lookin' out. Hopefully this will work out.
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Good luck to those who saw an increase. I won't find out on mine for a couple more days.
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Og evo only had $10 up charge
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For those talking about the charge on the OG EVO, it wasn't a 4G charge. Ugh. I feel like I'm repeating myself because people don't pay attention and don't care to understand. The $10 charge that Sprint started with the first EVO is a $10 data surcharge for all smartphones because they CAN use more data than a dumb-phone. It has nothing to do with LTE or 4G. It was an excuse Sprint used to increase their data fees while still giving unlimited data.
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My bill went up 36 cents to $70.31a month!
I'm going to switch to Verizon and pay $110 to 120. a month!
That'll teach em!
Everything Data - 450 Anytime Minutes Included $69.99
Employee Discount Sprint 19% -$13.30
Premium Data add-on charge $10.00
Sprint Surcharges $3.29
Show DetailsShow Details And Explanation of Charges
Total Due by March 27 $70.31
Make Payment Now
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As for the person mocking me regarding the .36 cent increase and switching to Verizon and paying more. Look, I didn't say you had to switch carriers, it just lets you out of your contract. So cancel and restart under a different name or something, you can get a new phone for the subsidized price. I myself am sick of the crappy service and promise of LTE in my area that never came (was supposed to be second half of last year). Even with my free AirRave, service still sucks.
I too get an employee discount, but I also get a discount with all the other carriers. The ONLY benefit I have with Sprint is the unlimited data. Verizon and AT&T would only cost me $5 more per month with better service, and 4GB of data (we haven't gone over 3GB in the last 4 years).
So, feel free to be an ass and mock me,I don't care. I'm trying to help those who DO want a new phone for $200 instead of $500, or who do want to jump carriers (and get a new phone). To those select few, your welcome and good luck!
I've been following the Slick Deals thread as well as this one also here on XDA. I've already tried calling to see if they know what my personal change will be and, of course, the rep had no idea (she actually didn't even know about the statement on the bill in the first place). My bill comes out on the 10th of each month so I have to wait until then to see the changes and start my full attack.
Just set your Rom to force roam, download a ton, then sprint will cancel it for you. I just put 6gb on mine in roaming fees sprint will have to pay
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how can someone make this happen? do u call sprint? what would i need to say?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167622
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Does getting out of my contract mean losing my phone numbers?
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Does getting out of my contract mean losing my phone numbers?
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A lot of times they give you a given amount of time to port out.
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Just set your Rom to force roam, download a ton, then sprint will cancel it for you. I just put 6gb on mine in roaming fees sprint will have to pay
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Not everyone gets unlimited roaming?
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For all of you that have unlimited data go check your bill. These chumps raised the cost of our unlimited data from $30.00 a month to $50.00 a month. This is ridiculous My wife and myself both have had unlimited data for the past 7 to 10 years with Verizon. This is the end. Time to start shopping networks!
They did it because they raised the value. We will never be throttled. All other carriers unlimited are not true unlimited. They throttle you after a gig or so to less than high-speed. It's about quality. You get what you pay for. All you will end up seeing is buffering if you watch anything on the throttled speed. Horrible time. Tried it without canceling and went back to vz glad I did
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Only other carriers that offer unlimited data is t-mobile and sprint. Coverage on both are nowhere near as good as Verizon and they throttle your speeds if you go over a certain data limit. Extra $20 a month is worth unlimited unthrottled data.
It's about time they did. They should do away with it altogether so the majority of us don't have to suffer price hikes due to the few high and mighty tards that brag about using 100gb a month on their "unlimited" plan. We would have all still had unlimited if it weren't for a few entitled douchebags.
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It's about time they did. They should do away with it altogether so the majority of us don't have to suffer price hikes due to the few high and mighty tards that brag about using 100gb a month on their "unlimited" plan. We would have all still had unlimited if it weren't for a few entitled douchebags.
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No, you wouldn't. That had nothing to do with capacity or network congestion. It was about commoditizing data and raising profits. Period.
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Only other carriers that offer unlimited data is t-mobile and sprint. Coverage on both are nowhere near as good as Verizon and they throttle your speeds if you go over a certain data limit. Extra $20 a month is worth unlimited unthrottled data.
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I completely agree with you. My brother had sprint and unlimited for a long time and his LG G3 had very inconsistent LTE coverage. My girl friend has tmobile and a iphone 6s, she has unlimited everthing as well and her service was no where as good as big red, no matter where we went.
My hole thing is in a perfect world the people that have unlimited data have been loyal customers for Verizon for 5 to 10 plus years and you would appreciate them by letting them be. Not squeeze $20.00 more dollars out of them. Now I understand that we have an excellent coverage and network but take care of your customers that have had your back. Yes, have I been rooted and broke rules and taken advantage of them. But I've never used no 100gb of data. With my wife and myself we average about 10-16gb each phone a month. With 6 kids and 5 lines and 1 smart watch on a line, price is a lot as it is and now it's jacked up $40.00 more dollars just disappoints me. That's all. I probably won't switch based on your guys feedback but dam Verizon cut your loyal customers some slack....
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Keep dreaming. I think Verizon would much prefer everyone with unlimited switch back on a metered plan or move to another carrier. And I think they are going to keep making it painful to encourage that.
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They are allowing new phone payment plans for unlimited users with the price increase. They could have kept it where we had to pay full price up front. Entitlement generation.....
It's crazy that after a fixed price for 10 years you're outraged by a price increase. I can't think of anything that hasn't gone up in 10 years
The price only went up if you were not on contract. We have 3 unlimited data lines on our plan and we have all upgraded using loopholes. So we are all still under contract. We have 2 more years until the price hike will go into effect for us.
i believe they are allowing upgrades using Device payment plans in UDP now.
I'd gladly pay another $20 to get unlimited. I don't do a lot from home, but I could then hotspot and get rid of my home Internet. It would save me $40 per month.
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For all of you that have unlimited data go check your bill. These chumps raised the cost of our unlimited data from $30.00 a month to $50.00 a month. This is ridiculous My wife and myself both have had unlimited data for the past 7 to 10 years with Verizon. This is the end. Time to start shopping networks!
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I hate to be "that guy", but this was reported on back in September/October, plus it was on the VZW website if you had logged in in the past month or so, or it should have been on your last bill if you don't do paperless. This wasn't something that just hit us out of the blue.
I've also had two UDP lines for a long, long time, but this is still the best value for me, so I'll continue with VZW service. I do hope you find a service value that is acceptable to you! Good luck!
I just came from Unlimited data on tmobile. They never throttled me and i did around 150GB a month. Had to switch back to verizon because Tmobile's coverage sucks!
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No, you wouldn't. That had nothing to do with capacity or network congestion. It was about commoditizing data and raising profits. Period.
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Actually it does. We stopped because there were people using there plans to make money by using repeaters to a bunch of apartments. The amount of issues that was placing on towers was enough to ruin the experience for others in the area.
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V-Ty said:
My hole thing is in a perfect world the people that have unlimited data have been loyal customers for Verizon for 5 to 10 plus years and you would appreciate them by letting them be. Not squeeze $20.00 more dollars out of them. Now I understand that we have an excellent coverage and network but take care of your customers that have had your back. Yes, have I been rooted and broke rules and taken advantage of them. But I've never used no 100gb of data. With my wife and myself we average about 10-16gb each phone a month. With 6 kids and 5 lines and 1 smart watch on a line, price is a lot as it is and now it's jacked up $40.00 more dollars just disappoints me. That's all. I probably won't switch based on your guys feedback but dam Verizon cut your loyal customers some slack....
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You should be greatful that they didn't force you out of it. They are letting you keep it because it's valuable if you don't think it's valuable enough for 20 more a month.... Still cheaper than buying a huge data plan then you can try another carrier lol
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They are allowing new phone payment plans for unlimited users with the price increase. They could have kept it where we had to pay full price up front. Entitlement generation.....
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Actually it does. We stopped because there were people using there plans to make money by using repeaters to a bunch of apartments. The amount of issues that was placing on towers was enough to ruin the experience for others in the area.
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You should be greatful that they didn't force you out of it. They are letting you keep it because it's valuable if you don't think it's valuable enough for 20 more a month.... Still cheaper than buying a huge data plan then you can try another carrier lol
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No, you stopped because you saw an opportunity to increase profit by limiting data. You can try and convince otherwise all you like, but I've dealt with Verizon long enough to know that nothing they claim is true. (Heck, I've called Verizon CS three times in a row asking the same question to three different CS reps, and gotten three totally different answers that were diametrically opposed)
People who were using it like you said were breaking the terms of your contract, and could be thrown off the network without penalizing everyone.
When I first got a smartphone, back in the WinMo days before iPhones, I could get one without a data plan. (Of course, dishonest Verizon made sure none of the ones that could be used had WiFi, so you couldn't get any data if you didn't use theirs. They also locked the GPS receiver out from any other application except VZNavigator - nice folks at Verizon)
Then, suddenly, you had to have a data plan, and it had to be unlimited. When I spoke to VZW reps about this, they lied to me and claimed a smartphone won't function without a data plan. When I pointed out that wasn't true, they tried to sell me on all the wonderful things I could with the data, like stream videos. I told them that, no, I couldn't really because Verizon's 3g network is dial-up slow, and videos buffer every three seconds. Didn't matter,I was told, if I wanted a smartphone on Verizon, I had to pony up the $30/month for data whether it was usable or not.
So, for the next couple of years, I paid the extra every month for data that did me almost no good.
Then, LTE came along. Lowell the liar told us that LTE wouldn't increase prices because it was cheaper for Verizon and held much more bandwidth. The facts were true, but the assertion that it wouldn't be pricier was BS.
But now, I finally had data speeds that, while still slower than most other carriers in the US, are fast enough that I can do the things Verizon told me I could do before but couldn't, like actually watch videos on my phone. And now that I can get the functionality I was always promised, Verizon wants to charge me more to use the device I paid full price for.
I never broke the terms of my contract. I didn't even tether. I tried to keep my usage reasonable, using WiFi whenever possible. But now that VZW has decided to increase my cost, I will increase my usage. I'm aiming for at least 100gb per month. I stream Netflix as much as possible. I stay off WiFi whenever possible.
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No, you stopped because you saw an opportunity to increase profit by limiting data. You can try and convince otherwise all you like, but I've dealt with Verizon long enough to know that nothing they claim is true. (Heck, I've called Verizon CS three times in a row asking the same question to three different CS reps, and gotten three totally different answers that were diametrically opposed)
People who were using it like you said were breaking the terms of your contract, and could be thrown off the network without penalizing everyone.
When I first got a smartphone, back in the WinMo days before iPhones, I could get one without a data plan. (Of course, dishonest Verizon made sure none of the ones that could be used had WiFi, so you couldn't get any data if you didn't use theirs. They also locked the GPS receiver out from any other application except VZNavigator - nice folks at Verizon)
Then, suddenly, you had to have a data plan, and it had to be unlimited. When I spoke to VZW reps about this, they lied to me and claimed a smartphone won't function without a data plan. When I pointed out that wasn't true, they tried to sell me on all the wonderful things I could with the data, like stream videos. I told them that, no, I couldn't really because Verizon's 3g network is dial-up slow, and videos buffer every three seconds. Didn't matter,I was told, if I wanted a smartphone on Verizon, I had to pony up the $30/month for data whether it was usable or not.
So, for the next couple of years, I paid the extra every month for data that did me almost no good.
Then, LTE came along. Lowell the liar told us that LTE wouldn't increase prices because it was cheaper for Verizon and held much more bandwidth. The facts were true, but the assertion that it wouldn't be pricier was BS.
But now, I finally had data speeds that, while still slower than most other carriers in the US, are fast enough that I can do the things Verizon told me I could do before but couldn't, like actually watch videos on my phone. And now that I can get the functionality I was always promised, Verizon wants to charge me more to use the device I paid full price for.
I never broke the terms of my contract. I didn't even tether. I tried to keep my usage reasonable, using WiFi whenever possible. But now that VZW has decided to increase my cost, I will increase my usage. I'm aiming for at least 100gb per month. I stream Netflix as much as possible. I stay off WiFi whenever possible.
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True. Most did get thrown. LTE is cheaper. The company can use LTE to make speeds and bandwidth more available. The price i paid for service is around the same price 7 years ago as it is for me today. I say around obv because things will go up a little it's how things work over the years but it never went up because of LTE xD. Obviously things change. Verizon has been changing every year to make profit and to make their customers happy. You spoke with some CS reps? ok.....so out of everything you spoke to some people at a computer all day? You act like they are the worst company there is....lol with the best service and the most to offer it doesn't ever come to you that they cant please everyone? Its the biggest network company in the US...sorry you have those beliefs but they are skewed.
Still cant get over people saying they was 4-5 devices with tons of data and a tablet for less than 100 a month happens all the time.... In all companies prices increase. You are being charged for service not your "device you paid for in full"
I also use around 100Gb....that what they gave it to you for. To use it lol the issue was the people spending over 2 TB a month as an individual. I can't even imagine how much that would cost.
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True. Most did get thrown. LTE is cheaper. The company can use LTE to make speeds and bandwidth more available. The price i paid for service is around the same price 7 years ago as it is for me today. I say around obv because things will go up a little it's how things work over the years but it never went up because of LTE xD. Obviously things change. Verizon has been changing every year to make profit and to make their customers happy. You spoke with some CS reps? ok.....so out of everything you spoke to some people at a computer all day? You act like they are the worst company there is....lol with the best service and the most to offer it doesn't ever come to you that they cant please everyone? Its the biggest network company in the US...sorry you have those beliefs but they are skewed.
Still cant get over people saying they was 4-5 devices with tons of data and a tablet for less than 100 a month happens all the time.... In all companies prices increase. You are being charged for service not your "device you paid for in full"
I also use around 100Gb....that what they gave it to you for. To use it lol the issue was the people spending over 2 TB a month as an individual. I can't even imagine how much that would cost.
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Worst company in the world? I don't know about that. Worst company in the US? Well, even then they're not as bad as Comcast. But they are inherently dishonest company. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. Likewise don't tell me you're increasing prices because of network congestion, or some other silly, made up reason.
If they want to raise prices, that's their choice. And then, as a consumer it's my choice whether to stay with them or move on to another carrier. And that's the way it should be. I just don't like the lying. I've dealt with Verizon on many occasions, and I've been lied to on many occasions.
If they would have just come out and said they were implementing the tiered plans because they want to make more money on it, I could have at least respected that. Same thing here. Don't tell me that you're increasing my costs for fairness, or to relieve congestion, or for any reason other than what it is - you want to increase your already ridiculous profits.
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Worst company in the world? I don't know about that. Worst company in the US? Well, even then they're not as bad as Comcast. But they are inherently dishonest company. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. Likewise don't tell me you're increasing prices because of network congestion, or some other silly, made up reason.
If they want to raise prices, that's their choice. And then, as a consumer it's my choice whether to stay with them or move on to another carrier. And that's the way it should be. I just don't like the lying. I've dealt with Verizon on many occasions, and I've been lied to on many occasions.
If they would have just come out and said they were implementing the tiered plans because they want to make more money on it, I could have at least respected that. Same thing here. Don't tell me that you're increasing my costs for fairness, or to relieve congestion, or for any reason other than what it is - you want to increase your already ridiculous profits.
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I have to agree here. They are arguably the most greedy company in the US. I have been with them for as long as I can remember and till this day I still have to scan every monthly statement and I still pick up erroneous charges. Small things, $2 here, $5 there. Sometimes up to $40 a month. My monthly statement has never been the same more than 3 months in a row and I don't do anything differently. The most recent stunt they tried to pull was after I downloaded go90 for a crappy 2 gig "free promo," they forced my line back into contract and I lost my $25 off contract discount. I raised holy hell at the verizon store and not only got it rectified but also got a date with the sales manager.
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