For all of you that have unlimited data go check your bill. These chumps raised the cost of our unlimited data from $30.00 a month to $50.00 a month. This is ridiculous My wife and myself both have had unlimited data for the past 7 to 10 years with Verizon. This is the end. Time to start shopping networks!
They did it because they raised the value. We will never be throttled. All other carriers unlimited are not true unlimited. They throttle you after a gig or so to less than high-speed. It's about quality. You get what you pay for. All you will end up seeing is buffering if you watch anything on the throttled speed. Horrible time. Tried it without canceling and went back to vz glad I did
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Only other carriers that offer unlimited data is t-mobile and sprint. Coverage on both are nowhere near as good as Verizon and they throttle your speeds if you go over a certain data limit. Extra $20 a month is worth unlimited unthrottled data.
It's about time they did. They should do away with it altogether so the majority of us don't have to suffer price hikes due to the few high and mighty tards that brag about using 100gb a month on their "unlimited" plan. We would have all still had unlimited if it weren't for a few entitled douchebags.
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It's about time they did. They should do away with it altogether so the majority of us don't have to suffer price hikes due to the few high and mighty tards that brag about using 100gb a month on their "unlimited" plan. We would have all still had unlimited if it weren't for a few entitled douchebags.
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No, you wouldn't. That had nothing to do with capacity or network congestion. It was about commoditizing data and raising profits. Period.
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Only other carriers that offer unlimited data is t-mobile and sprint. Coverage on both are nowhere near as good as Verizon and they throttle your speeds if you go over a certain data limit. Extra $20 a month is worth unlimited unthrottled data.
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I completely agree with you. My brother had sprint and unlimited for a long time and his LG G3 had very inconsistent LTE coverage. My girl friend has tmobile and a iphone 6s, she has unlimited everthing as well and her service was no where as good as big red, no matter where we went.
My hole thing is in a perfect world the people that have unlimited data have been loyal customers for Verizon for 5 to 10 plus years and you would appreciate them by letting them be. Not squeeze $20.00 more dollars out of them. Now I understand that we have an excellent coverage and network but take care of your customers that have had your back. Yes, have I been rooted and broke rules and taken advantage of them. But I've never used no 100gb of data. With my wife and myself we average about 10-16gb each phone a month. With 6 kids and 5 lines and 1 smart watch on a line, price is a lot as it is and now it's jacked up $40.00 more dollars just disappoints me. That's all. I probably won't switch based on your guys feedback but dam Verizon cut your loyal customers some slack....
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Keep dreaming. I think Verizon would much prefer everyone with unlimited switch back on a metered plan or move to another carrier. And I think they are going to keep making it painful to encourage that.
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They are allowing new phone payment plans for unlimited users with the price increase. They could have kept it where we had to pay full price up front. Entitlement generation.....
It's crazy that after a fixed price for 10 years you're outraged by a price increase. I can't think of anything that hasn't gone up in 10 years
The price only went up if you were not on contract. We have 3 unlimited data lines on our plan and we have all upgraded using loopholes. So we are all still under contract. We have 2 more years until the price hike will go into effect for us.
i believe they are allowing upgrades using Device payment plans in UDP now.
I'd gladly pay another $20 to get unlimited. I don't do a lot from home, but I could then hotspot and get rid of my home Internet. It would save me $40 per month.
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For all of you that have unlimited data go check your bill. These chumps raised the cost of our unlimited data from $30.00 a month to $50.00 a month. This is ridiculous My wife and myself both have had unlimited data for the past 7 to 10 years with Verizon. This is the end. Time to start shopping networks!
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I hate to be "that guy", but this was reported on back in September/October, plus it was on the VZW website if you had logged in in the past month or so, or it should have been on your last bill if you don't do paperless. This wasn't something that just hit us out of the blue.
I've also had two UDP lines for a long, long time, but this is still the best value for me, so I'll continue with VZW service. I do hope you find a service value that is acceptable to you! Good luck!
I just came from Unlimited data on tmobile. They never throttled me and i did around 150GB a month. Had to switch back to verizon because Tmobile's coverage sucks!
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No, you wouldn't. That had nothing to do with capacity or network congestion. It was about commoditizing data and raising profits. Period.
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Actually it does. We stopped because there were people using there plans to make money by using repeaters to a bunch of apartments. The amount of issues that was placing on towers was enough to ruin the experience for others in the area.
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My hole thing is in a perfect world the people that have unlimited data have been loyal customers for Verizon for 5 to 10 plus years and you would appreciate them by letting them be. Not squeeze $20.00 more dollars out of them. Now I understand that we have an excellent coverage and network but take care of your customers that have had your back. Yes, have I been rooted and broke rules and taken advantage of them. But I've never used no 100gb of data. With my wife and myself we average about 10-16gb each phone a month. With 6 kids and 5 lines and 1 smart watch on a line, price is a lot as it is and now it's jacked up $40.00 more dollars just disappoints me. That's all. I probably won't switch based on your guys feedback but dam Verizon cut your loyal customers some slack....
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You should be greatful that they didn't force you out of it. They are letting you keep it because it's valuable if you don't think it's valuable enough for 20 more a month.... Still cheaper than buying a huge data plan then you can try another carrier lol
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They are allowing new phone payment plans for unlimited users with the price increase. They could have kept it where we had to pay full price up front. Entitlement generation.....
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Actually it does. We stopped because there were people using there plans to make money by using repeaters to a bunch of apartments. The amount of issues that was placing on towers was enough to ruin the experience for others in the area.
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You should be greatful that they didn't force you out of it. They are letting you keep it because it's valuable if you don't think it's valuable enough for 20 more a month.... Still cheaper than buying a huge data plan then you can try another carrier lol
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No, you stopped because you saw an opportunity to increase profit by limiting data. You can try and convince otherwise all you like, but I've dealt with Verizon long enough to know that nothing they claim is true. (Heck, I've called Verizon CS three times in a row asking the same question to three different CS reps, and gotten three totally different answers that were diametrically opposed)
People who were using it like you said were breaking the terms of your contract, and could be thrown off the network without penalizing everyone.
When I first got a smartphone, back in the WinMo days before iPhones, I could get one without a data plan. (Of course, dishonest Verizon made sure none of the ones that could be used had WiFi, so you couldn't get any data if you didn't use theirs. They also locked the GPS receiver out from any other application except VZNavigator - nice folks at Verizon)
Then, suddenly, you had to have a data plan, and it had to be unlimited. When I spoke to VZW reps about this, they lied to me and claimed a smartphone won't function without a data plan. When I pointed out that wasn't true, they tried to sell me on all the wonderful things I could with the data, like stream videos. I told them that, no, I couldn't really because Verizon's 3g network is dial-up slow, and videos buffer every three seconds. Didn't matter,I was told, if I wanted a smartphone on Verizon, I had to pony up the $30/month for data whether it was usable or not.
So, for the next couple of years, I paid the extra every month for data that did me almost no good.
Then, LTE came along. Lowell the liar told us that LTE wouldn't increase prices because it was cheaper for Verizon and held much more bandwidth. The facts were true, but the assertion that it wouldn't be pricier was BS.
But now, I finally had data speeds that, while still slower than most other carriers in the US, are fast enough that I can do the things Verizon told me I could do before but couldn't, like actually watch videos on my phone. And now that I can get the functionality I was always promised, Verizon wants to charge me more to use the device I paid full price for.
I never broke the terms of my contract. I didn't even tether. I tried to keep my usage reasonable, using WiFi whenever possible. But now that VZW has decided to increase my cost, I will increase my usage. I'm aiming for at least 100gb per month. I stream Netflix as much as possible. I stay off WiFi whenever possible.
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No, you stopped because you saw an opportunity to increase profit by limiting data. You can try and convince otherwise all you like, but I've dealt with Verizon long enough to know that nothing they claim is true. (Heck, I've called Verizon CS three times in a row asking the same question to three different CS reps, and gotten three totally different answers that were diametrically opposed)
People who were using it like you said were breaking the terms of your contract, and could be thrown off the network without penalizing everyone.
When I first got a smartphone, back in the WinMo days before iPhones, I could get one without a data plan. (Of course, dishonest Verizon made sure none of the ones that could be used had WiFi, so you couldn't get any data if you didn't use theirs. They also locked the GPS receiver out from any other application except VZNavigator - nice folks at Verizon)
Then, suddenly, you had to have a data plan, and it had to be unlimited. When I spoke to VZW reps about this, they lied to me and claimed a smartphone won't function without a data plan. When I pointed out that wasn't true, they tried to sell me on all the wonderful things I could with the data, like stream videos. I told them that, no, I couldn't really because Verizon's 3g network is dial-up slow, and videos buffer every three seconds. Didn't matter,I was told, if I wanted a smartphone on Verizon, I had to pony up the $30/month for data whether it was usable or not.
So, for the next couple of years, I paid the extra every month for data that did me almost no good.
Then, LTE came along. Lowell the liar told us that LTE wouldn't increase prices because it was cheaper for Verizon and held much more bandwidth. The facts were true, but the assertion that it wouldn't be pricier was BS.
But now, I finally had data speeds that, while still slower than most other carriers in the US, are fast enough that I can do the things Verizon told me I could do before but couldn't, like actually watch videos on my phone. And now that I can get the functionality I was always promised, Verizon wants to charge me more to use the device I paid full price for.
I never broke the terms of my contract. I didn't even tether. I tried to keep my usage reasonable, using WiFi whenever possible. But now that VZW has decided to increase my cost, I will increase my usage. I'm aiming for at least 100gb per month. I stream Netflix as much as possible. I stay off WiFi whenever possible.
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True. Most did get thrown. LTE is cheaper. The company can use LTE to make speeds and bandwidth more available. The price i paid for service is around the same price 7 years ago as it is for me today. I say around obv because things will go up a little it's how things work over the years but it never went up because of LTE xD. Obviously things change. Verizon has been changing every year to make profit and to make their customers happy. You spoke with some CS reps? ok.....so out of everything you spoke to some people at a computer all day? You act like they are the worst company there is....lol with the best service and the most to offer it doesn't ever come to you that they cant please everyone? Its the biggest network company in the US...sorry you have those beliefs but they are skewed.
Still cant get over people saying they was 4-5 devices with tons of data and a tablet for less than 100 a month happens all the time.... In all companies prices increase. You are being charged for service not your "device you paid for in full"
I also use around 100Gb....that what they gave it to you for. To use it lol the issue was the people spending over 2 TB a month as an individual. I can't even imagine how much that would cost.
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True. Most did get thrown. LTE is cheaper. The company can use LTE to make speeds and bandwidth more available. The price i paid for service is around the same price 7 years ago as it is for me today. I say around obv because things will go up a little it's how things work over the years but it never went up because of LTE xD. Obviously things change. Verizon has been changing every year to make profit and to make their customers happy. You spoke with some CS reps? ok.....so out of everything you spoke to some people at a computer all day? You act like they are the worst company there is....lol with the best service and the most to offer it doesn't ever come to you that they cant please everyone? Its the biggest network company in the US...sorry you have those beliefs but they are skewed.
Still cant get over people saying they was 4-5 devices with tons of data and a tablet for less than 100 a month happens all the time.... In all companies prices increase. You are being charged for service not your "device you paid for in full"
I also use around 100Gb....that what they gave it to you for. To use it lol the issue was the people spending over 2 TB a month as an individual. I can't even imagine how much that would cost.
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Worst company in the world? I don't know about that. Worst company in the US? Well, even then they're not as bad as Comcast. But they are inherently dishonest company. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. Likewise don't tell me you're increasing prices because of network congestion, or some other silly, made up reason.
If they want to raise prices, that's their choice. And then, as a consumer it's my choice whether to stay with them or move on to another carrier. And that's the way it should be. I just don't like the lying. I've dealt with Verizon on many occasions, and I've been lied to on many occasions.
If they would have just come out and said they were implementing the tiered plans because they want to make more money on it, I could have at least respected that. Same thing here. Don't tell me that you're increasing my costs for fairness, or to relieve congestion, or for any reason other than what it is - you want to increase your already ridiculous profits.
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Worst company in the world? I don't know about that. Worst company in the US? Well, even then they're not as bad as Comcast. But they are inherently dishonest company. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. Likewise don't tell me you're increasing prices because of network congestion, or some other silly, made up reason.
If they want to raise prices, that's their choice. And then, as a consumer it's my choice whether to stay with them or move on to another carrier. And that's the way it should be. I just don't like the lying. I've dealt with Verizon on many occasions, and I've been lied to on many occasions.
If they would have just come out and said they were implementing the tiered plans because they want to make more money on it, I could have at least respected that. Same thing here. Don't tell me that you're increasing my costs for fairness, or to relieve congestion, or for any reason other than what it is - you want to increase your already ridiculous profits.
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I have to agree here. They are arguably the most greedy company in the US. I have been with them for as long as I can remember and till this day I still have to scan every monthly statement and I still pick up erroneous charges. Small things, $2 here, $5 there. Sometimes up to $40 a month. My monthly statement has never been the same more than 3 months in a row and I don't do anything differently. The most recent stunt they tried to pull was after I downloaded go90 for a crappy 2 gig "free promo," they forced my line back into contract and I lost my $25 off contract discount. I raised holy hell at the verizon store and not only got it rectified but also got a date with the sales manager.
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I just learned tonight that as of Thursday, 3 days from now, 4G data plans will be capped.
The new cap will be 5GB. Pricing overage is not specified just yet, I would assume the standard $10/GB overage.
This is for any NEW customers and any upgrades done AFTER this day. Anyone who already has a TBolt is grandfathered in (myself included). Spread the word, and let your friends/family know should they need a truly unlimited plan.
I would expect an announcement tomorrow sometime. Just wanted to let you guys know.
And the gospel has spoke. I am grandfathered young skywalker.
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And the gospel has spoke. I am grandfathered young skywalker.
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The unlimited data is strong with this one...
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This is the reason I upgraded immediately, even if it required paying full retail
My business rep has also told me that people getting 4G data plans better do it now, before it changes. He did not tell me this Thursday, but his feeling was no more than 30 days after the TB was released. He also told me there's no guarantee anyone on the unlim plans will be grandfathered.
This is what I was afraid of.. glad I JUST got mine lol
I knew the unlimited 4G data wouldn't last until the Droid Bionic. Glad I have my Thunderbolt.
i am in the door but i still am going to sell TB when bionic comes out
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My business rep has also told me that people getting 4G data plans better do it now, before it changes. He did not tell me this Thursday, but his feeling was no more than 30 days after the TB was released. He also told me there's no guarantee anyone on the unlim plans will be grandfathered.
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There would be lots of trouble for not grandfathering people already up and running on unlimited 4G data plans. If it isn't in the contract they can't suddenly put it into the contract. Additionally as the TB currently offers no built in mechanism to turn off 4G for those who got it under the concept of it having unlimited data would have to be offered the option to return their phones, etc... Seriously it'd be a PR nightmare/huge trouble for VZW to not grandfather people in, its the same reason AT&T did it for people who already had unlimited plans when they moved to a tiered system.
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There would be lots of trouble for not grandfathering people already up and running on unlimited 4G data plans. If it isn't in the contract they can't suddenly put it into the contract.
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That was my thought to it also. Cant change my contract just bc they want to. Thats why we have contracts, to lock things in place
So what happens when we want to move onto another 4g device? Are they going to allow us to transfer our 4g plan to the new device and retain our unlimited? I'd imagine since the LTE sim is swappable.. we can probably just pop it into another device and keep unlimited..
Any thoughts?
Wow I just signed up for Verizon today and got the Thunderbolt I signed up for the Unlimited plan looks like its a good thing I did seeing this tonight
So glad I bought my Tbird on release day.
So pissed that Verizon would do this. After the gov't sat on their hands and made them go either unlimited or 5GB (not "5GB unlimited") in years past, their CDMA based data plans have been unlimited ever since. REALLY unlimited. Unless you're in the 95th percentile. Maybe.
But now they're going the way of the greedy [email protected]#[email protected]#%(^#$^$$%#$$ at AT&T? What happened to the carrier that was both reliable-thanks-CDMA and consumer-friendly-thanks-Sprint, in the same package?
Major regression. Very unhappy. I'm glad I have grandfathered, but I wonder if I will be forced over to a 5GB plan in two years when my contract expires.
Can we get some sort of confirmation to this rumor?
I'm glad I became a Verizon customer this past Sunday. I was with T-Mobile till the news broke out. I refuse to give AT&T any of my money!
Anyway, I'm glad I made this move. The Thunderbolt is crazy fast, and I'm very happy with it. Oh, only 1 thing I did hate.... My battery died after 3 hours of being fully charged.
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So what happens when we want to move onto another 4g device? Are they going to allow us to transfer our 4g plan to the new device and retain our unlimited? I'd imagine since the LTE sim is swappable.. we can probably just pop it into another device and keep unlimited..
Any thoughts?
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I'd think that switching devices isn't an issue. Take AT&T they only forced people to tiered if they change out of the unlimited data plan. As their entry level tiered was priced at like $15/mo vs $30 so some people who didn't use much data chose to do that but never could get unlimited again. Also for developers and the like switching between devices for testing on Verizon it seems to require switching a phone ID and activating that device, but I assume with 4G the sim card would only need to be moved? I'm unsure as to how that works, but I'll likely need to move between my TB, which arrives tomorrow, and my Incredible for development purposes. So I'm sure I'll figure out the details soon.
Can we get some sort of confirmation to this rumor?
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I assume until Verizon makes an official statement it'll remain a rumor. Regardless, sooner than I've been hearing. I'd heard tiered by the summer. But suppose a test run for a week might be enough to see what kind of saturation to expect network wise. But think before the bionics release would be a reasonable guess. But well wish it wasn't headed that way. Think the approach of I think sprint just charging an additional $10/mo if you want 4G isn't a bad business model. Plus the users who get these phones and barely use any data would likely offset from those who do...
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I'd think that switching devices isn't an issue. Take AT&T they only forced people to tiered if they change out of the unlimited data plan. As their entry level tiered was priced at like $15/mo vs $30 so some people who didn't use much data chose to do that but never could get unlimited again. Also for developers and the like switching between devices for testing on Verizon it seems to require switching a phone ID and activating that device, but I assume with 4G the sim card would only need to be moved? I'm unsure as to how that works, but I'll likely need to move between my TB, which arrives tomorrow, and my Incredible for development purposes. So I'm sure I'll figure out the details soon.
I assume until Verizon makes an official statement it'll remain a rumor. Regardless, sooner than I've been hearing. I'd heard tiered by the summer. But suppose a test run for a week might be enough to see what kind of saturation to expect network wise. But think before the bionics release would be a reasonable guess. But well wish it wasn't headed that way. Think the approach of I think sprint just charging an additional $10/mo if you want 4G isn't a bad business model. Plus the users who get these phones and barely use any data would likely offset from those who do...
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after testing lte i would pay $10 a month more for it.
My Verizon Rep is allowing me to upgrade early, but pay Verizon price for the phone. But my upgrade is the 29th of March. So if I can, I would wait and grab from Amazon. So until some sort of verification somewhere I'll wait. They won't do a surprise change would they?
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My Verizon Rep is allowing me to upgrade early, but pay Verizon price for the phone. But my upgrade is the 29th of March. So if I can, I would wait and grab from Amazon. So until some sort of verification somewhere I'll wait. They won't do a surprise change would they?
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Don't think for a minute that they won't do a surprise change! The legalese you click / sign through when you're becoming a customer says they can change any part of any of your terms at any time with or without notice, basically they can decide that it's $1,000 per byte and that's just tough luck for you. Of course they would probably get sued for being unreasonable, but you see my point. The act of changing the deal on a dime is not illegal because you agreed to let them.
And if you aren't even a Verizon Unlimited Smartphone Data Plan customer at all right now, they have even less obligation to you, because you aren't a customer, and you have no chance of being grandfathered.
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Don't think for a minute that they won't do a surprise change! The legalese you click / sign through when you're becoming a customer says they can change any part of any of your terms at any time with or without notice, basically they can decide that it's $1,000 per byte and that's just tough luck for you. Of course they would probably get sued for being unreasonable, but you see my point. The act of changing the deal on a dime is not illegal because you agreed to let them.
And if you aren't even a Verizon Unlimited Smartphone Data Plan customer at all right now, they have even less obligation to you, because you aren't a customer, and you have no chance of being grandfathered.
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this was my understanding. Even if they have a contract with you, they can still change it, but it then gives you an option, you bend over and take the changes, or you can leave with no ETF.
Also if they are not going to grandfather people in, then I will be returning my phone within the 30 days and going with another carrier. I like their coverage and LTE is crazy, but a 5GB cap on internet speeds this fast? you'll be hitting cap in a week.
I am hoping that the whole deal between AT&T and T-Mobile becoming one company makes them change their mind, or at least rethink the data plans.
I really just needed to vent , maybe get some views also .
Does any one feel like the current trend in verizon is really disturbing ?
Here are my issues :
1- They of course took away unlimited and then they take away eligibility to keep it when upgrading ( unlike At&t I think which allows their customers to keep the unlimited with upgrade and Tmobile which allows unlimited for an added fee ).
2- They are forcing manufacturers to lock bootlaoders , and take away SD card space, to cause us to use more data . Example the DNA( only the verizon version does not have expanded storage capability) and now the removal of the 32 gb version of Galaxy S3
3- None of the new devices have the capability of surf and talk on 3g like the t-bolt, rezound and the S3. The note 2 and the DNA both lost that feature . Seems to me like that is going backwards.
additional fees for locking bootloaders are being implemented and future complete removal unlimited data plans, rumors I know, but even more disturbing.
I am really starting to get bothered by their current practices. I feel like we are losing more and more freedoms and privileges while the rest of the world is getting more ( the case of the DNA getting the better version )
I am not sure what to accomplish by this thread, I am interested to see if this is really bothering any one else as much as it does with me, to the point of thinking about going to another company.
I still have the unlimited , as i am grandfathered into it , but i am really thinking about ditching verizon if they get rid of unlimited completely. Before that even, only one line left in my family plan is under contract till august. I am seriously debating leaving the company all together because of their practices
Done raving and ranting.
Not to be rude but, if you don't like the service you get for your money then youshould switch. If you aren't happy it really doesn't matter what any random internet people think.
I'm right there with you on not liking the way they are headed. My wife and I have lines we got on her sister's family plan before they did away with unlimited data, so we're here for a while, and I like the service we're getting. We also got GS3's and are on contract for a few years with our affordable data plans. When that expires, though, I'm anticipating leaving.
We'll have to see where everything stands, but if I was a new potential customer, I'd definitely go with a Nexus 4 on a prepaid network instead of Verizon.
Yes they are getting quite ridiculous. But, when you really think about it, havent they always been like this, moreso than the other carriers?
Just curious, what kind of stuff have you been hearing about completely doing away with unlimited? Still have mine through a family plan. Never gonna give it up if I can help it.
Not that I don't agree with a lot of what your saying but AT&T allows you to keep their unlimited data when upgrading because it then has a cap of 5GB before they throttle you. If I had too choose between the two, I'd rather keep Verizon here since we at least still have true unlimited.
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Not to be rude but, if you don't like the service you get for your money then youshould switch. If you aren't happy it really doesn't matter what any random internet people think.
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I know it comes down to me, i wanted to see other people's point of view
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Yes they are getting quite ridiculous. But, when you really think about it, havent they always been like this, moreso than the other carriers?
Just curious, what kind of stuff have you been hearing about completely doing away with unlimited? Still have mine through a family plan. Never gonna give it up if I can help it.
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Rumors are two folds, eventually every one will be done with contract that obliged verizon to keep unlimited and then you will be going month to month ( if you decide to keep unlimited and pay full price for your device) . This is about to happen by this summer I think when you calculate the last bit of customers that were able to keep their unlimited and upgrade forcing verizon into a contract ( those who pre ordered the gsIII) . After that they can pretty much force all the month to month grandfathers to chose a tiered plan.
This is why I am very hesitant to pay a full price for a phone, they are being really unpredictable, I would hate to pay full price for a phone only to be forced into a teired plan, and with their trac record, they come up with something new every day.
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I'm right there with you on not liking the way they are headed. My wife and I have lines we got on her sister's family plan before they did away with unlimited data, so we're here for a while, and I like the service we're getting. We also got GS3's and are on contract for a few years with our affordable data plans. When that expires, though, I'm anticipating leaving.
We'll have to see where everything stands, but if I was a new potential customer, I'd definitely go with a Nexus 4 on a prepaid network instead of Verizon.
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You know You are absolutely correct, even google pulled their line out of verizon.
Does any one know how does Tmobile fair on Long island NY , or in general? Do you guys think its worth the switch
i kept my unlimited plan after altering my plan last week.
had to fight for it, but i kept it.
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I really just needed to vent , maybe get some views also .
Does any one feel like the current trend in verizon is really disturbing ?
Here are my issues :
1- They of course took away unlimited and then they take away eligibility to keep it when upgrading ( unlike At&t I think which allows their customers to keep the unlimited with upgrade and Tmobile which allows unlimited for an added fee ).
2- They are forcing manufacturers to lock bootlaoders , and take away SD card space, to cause us to use more data . Example the DNA( only the verizon version does not have expanded storage capability) and now the removal of the 32 gb version of Galaxy S3
3- None of the new devices have the capability of surf and talk on 3g like the t-bolt, rezound and the S3. The note 2 and the DNA both lost that feature . Seems to me like that is going backwards.
additional fees for locking bootloaders are being implemented and future complete removal unlimited data plans, rumors I know, but even more disturbing.
I am really starting to get bothered by their current practices. I feel like we are losing more and more freedoms and privileges while the rest of the world is getting more ( the case of the DNA getting the better version )
I am not sure what to accomplish by this thread, I am interested to see if this is really bothering any one else as much as it does with me, to the point of thinking about going to another company.
I still have the unlimited , as i am grandfathered into it , but i am really thinking about ditching verizon if they get rid of unlimited completely. Before that even, only one line left in my family plan is under contract till august. I am seriously debating leaving the company all together because of their practices
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Their executive relations team is pissing and that's very difficult to do. I called complaining about how I've received phone after phone through the CLN program have either been broken or not up to date with software. One exec assured me that they're up to the quality they guarantee. When I call in saying that I have video proof of receiving this current Galaxy S III with a physical defect and that it was behind by two updates, they failed to return my calls and sent me a letter detailing how many CLNR devices they've sent saying that they had gone above and beyond expectations to help me and I could cancel before February 7th without having to pay an ETF if I wasn't happy. They've failed to return several of my phone calls and I'm ready to contact the BBB/FCC over this. Someone needs to start taking Verizon down a peg or two. Sure, they get fined 1-2 million dollars but not like it matters when that's change to them.
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nosympathy said:
Not that I don't agree with a lot of what your saying but AT&T allows you to keep their unlimited data when upgrading because it then has a cap of 5GB before they throttle you. If I had too choose between the two, I'd rather keep Verizon here since we at least still have true unlimited.
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This is true/false. Verizon throttles 3G during peak hours but not 4G. Source: Personal experience lol. Still, sad that my throttled 3G is faster than Sprint's "unlimited" 3G. I'll pull around 800kbp/s while throttled while my Sprint friends get 400-500kpb/s.
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Their executive relations team is pissing and that's very difficult to do. I called complaining about how I've received phone after phone through the CLN program have either been broken or not up to date with software. One exec assured me that they're up to the quality they guarantee. When I call in saying that I have video proof of receiving this current Galaxy S III with a physical defect and that it was behind by two updates, they failed to return my calls and sent me a letter detailing how many CLNR devices they've sent saying that they had gone above and beyond expectations to help me and I could cancel before February 7th without having to pay an ETF if I wasn't happy. They've failed to return several of my phone calls and I'm ready to contact the BBB/FCC over this. Someone needs to start taking Verizon down a peg or two. Sure, they get fined 1-2 million dollars but not like it matters when that's change to them.
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This is true/false. Verizon throttles 3G during peak hours but not 4G. Source: Personal experience lol. Still, sad that my throttled 3G is faster than Sprint's "unlimited" 3G. I'll pull around 800kbp/s while throttled while my Sprint friends get 400-500kpb/s.
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Well yes if you want to get technical. I was talking about 4G though. Regardless of what you are using with att if you have an unlimited plan you get throttled after 5GB.
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I know it comes down to me, i wanted to see other people's point of view
Rumors are two folds, eventually every one will be done with contract that obliged verizon to keep unlimited and then you will be going month to month ( if you decide to keep unlimited and pay full price for your device) . This is about to happen by this summer I think when you calculate the last bit of customers that were able to keep their unlimited and upgrade forcing verizon into a contract ( those who pre ordered the gsIII) . After that they can pretty much force all the month to month grandfathers to chose a tiered plan.
This is why I am very hesitant to pay a full price for a phone, they are being really unpredictable, I would hate to pay full price for a phone only to be forced into a teired plan, and with their trac record, they come up with something new every day.
You know You are absolutely correct, even google pulled their line out of verizon.
Does any one know how does Tmobile fair on Long island NY , or in general? Do you guys think its worth the switch
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I was already out of contract/month to month before purchasing my S3. Being forced into a tiered plan would suck big time! Lets hope it doesnt get to that point.
Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
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Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
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As an alternative you can.... not get it.
buy 40$ refills since minutes after 100 are 10c per min. Then whatever you dont use is carried over. I usually use 34$ a month.
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Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
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I assume this is a non-contract plan? Do they have more that are non-contract? T-Mobile, in my opinion, has royally screwed its customers. By not allowing customers to upgrade their phones the old way (getting a phone for next to nothing when the customers signs a new 2 year agreement). And their customer service, in my opinion (again) used to be amazing. It has gone to complete crap.
I left them, in contract, so I was happy to pay the 200$ early termination fee to get rid of them.
Doesn't TMobile now have non-contract plans for every new customer? I am not too familiar with them now, since I switched, but I thought this was the case?
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overlord727 said:
buy 40$ refills since minutes after 100 are 10c per min. Then whatever you dont use is carried over. I usually use 34$ a month.
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Ahh I fellow Maryland-er, in the same city as me... Good deal.
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I assume this is a non-contract plan? Do they have more that are non-contract? T-Mobile, in my opinion, has royally screwed its customers. By not allowing customers to upgrade their phones the old way (getting a phone for next to nothing when the customers signs a new 2 year agreement). And their customer service, in my opinion (again) used to be amazing. It has gone to complete crap.
I left them, in contract, so I was happy to pay the 200$ early termination fee to get rid of them.
Doesn't TMobile now have non-contract plans for every new customer? I am not too familiar with them now, since I switched, but I thought this was the case?
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yeah its non contract now. and since they bought out metro they have increased their coverage. which i live in Cali so i heard its good reception.
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buy 40$ refills since minutes after 100 are 10c per min. Then whatever you dont use is carried over. I usually use 34$ a month.
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i heard there are apps you can use though but i tried googling they said google voice, but some say it doesn't work.
umm
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Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
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Maybe not go with that plan?
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Ok so i plan on getting the $30 tmobile plan on the nexus 5 but that 100 minute thing is going to kill me. what can i do as an alternative?
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There are other choices - might I kindly suggest that you "skim" thru this thread with extensive info & how-to's, etc. - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2476995&page=82 (yes, I know & understand that, like most, "we" all hate to read to try to understand how things work .. )
You did NOT indicate what your data needs or usage pattern are - but if you plan to use the Nexus 5 for lots of mobile air minutes to talk, there are unlimited plans for that. Priced accordingly & competitively, they do vary & might / might not have good coverage for your location.
There is Straight Talk, Simple Mobile, and the Walmart plan ... Lately, Target has its own exclusive "Brightspot" plans. Like here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511152&page=3
Or, do as I say & listen to what I do - leave a reserve fund (like a credit line) for excess minute charges to be deducted once you go over & yes, T-Mo will SMS alert you and you can do short codes to check your account status.
The "Search" button here on XDA - it does miracle finds, usually & often - use it. Have a nice day !
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I assume this is a non-contract plan? Do they have more that are non-contract? T-Mobile, in my opinion, has royally screwed its customers. By not allowing customers to upgrade their phones the old way (getting a phone for next to nothing when the customers signs a new 2 year agreement). And their customer service, in my opinion (again) used to be amazing. It has gone to complete crap.
I left them, in contract, so I was happy to pay the 200$ early termination fee to get rid of them.
Doesn't TMobile now have non-contract plans for every new customer? I am not too familiar with them now, since I switched, but I thought this was the case?
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all (new) plans from tmobile are non-contract
Tmobile basically separated the phone subsidy with the phone line.
(I don't know the exact numbers, but someone can chime in)
Before, you would be paying $130{?} for 2 lines on t-mobile. now, you'll be paying $80 for 2 lines. You can CHOOSE to finance two Samsung Galaxy S4 phones @ $25/month for 24 months with $0 down, which gives you a monthly fee of $130, similar to before... but the extra $25 a month stops exactly after 24 months. you just can also choose not to take the "free" phone...
As you said, you aren't happy with what T-mobile is doing, then go back to the other 3 carriers (which do the same contract thing. though at&t finally follow t-mobile and added a off-contract $15 discount)... I'm happy with what T-mobile is doing...
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all (new) plans from tmobile are non-contract
Tmobile basically separated the phone subsidy with the phone line.
(I don't know the exact numbers, but someone can chime in)
Before, you would be paying $130{?} for 2 lines on t-mobile. now, you'll be paying $80 for 2 lines. You can CHOOSE to finance two Samsung Galaxy S4 phones @ $25/month for 24 months with $0 down, which gives you a monthly fee of $130, similar to before... but the extra $25 a month stops exactly after 24 months. you just can also choose not to take the "free" phone...
As you said, you aren't happy with what T-mobile is doing, then go back to the other 3 carriers (which do the same contract thing)... I'm happy with what T-mobile is doing...
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Yeah, I am on another carrier now.
Who would finance a phone? That's asinine. I mean if you have to do it, you have to do it, but that doesn't make sense to me.
For me, I was with T-Mobile for 7+ years. I felt as though I got screwed. It may be good for new customers, but not previous customers. It was a big slap in the face for long time customers.
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Yeah, I am on another carrier now.
Who would finance a phone? That's asinine. I mean if you have to do it, you have to do it, but that doesn't make sense to me.
For me, I was with T-Mobile for 7+ years. I felt as though I got screwed. It may be good for new customers, but not previous customers. It was a big slap in the face for long time customers.
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and you are just playing into the trap that AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/{T-mobile} have been playing for the past 10x years.... let the customers get "free" phones every 2 years, but hide the cost within the phone line
now, it's separate... it's the same price as before, just that customers can choose to finance a phone, or not finance a phone(and save $25/month). if you can't see that you have better choices, then sorry, AT&T/Verizon/Sprint would love you. you are the customer that they want
if you had a grandfathered plan, t-mobile would actually give you a better deal(than new customers), to entice you to switch
http://slickdeals.net/f/6340984-heads-up-t-mobile-grandfathered-plans-are-being-eliminated
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and you are just playing into the trap that AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/{T-mobile} have been playing for the past 10x years.... let the customers get "free" phones every 2 years, but hide the cost within the phone line
now, it's separate... it's the same price as before, just that customers can choose to finance a phone, or not finance a phone(and save $25/month). if you can't see that you have better choices, then sorry, AT&T/Verizon/Sprint would love you
if you had a grandfathered plan, t-mobile would actually give you a better deal(than new customers), to entice you to switch
http://slickdeals.net/f/6340984-heads-up-t-mobile-grandfathered-plans-are-being-eliminated
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You could be right, but I am happy with that way of doing business... No worries.
yeah im on verizon now and its just ridiculous .
I'm not going to read the T-Mobile$30 plan thread since I have a working solution.
But for my daughter I set her up with a Callcentric number, Google Voice and Google Voice Callback (available in the Amazon app store) and now she receives and makes all calls over IP.
I find the quality ok when I talk to her though occasionally there are voice delays when I'm using internet calling also.
So my girlfriend works at Verizon and just told me that even if you buy a phone at full retail you can't keep unlimited data. I wanted to start a discussion of everyone's thought on this and if this will make you move to a different provider or if you will still stay. (I will post more when she tells me more information about this)
If this is true, I'm curious to see how they handle those of us who are still on contract with an UDP by way of the best buy trick. I'm personally under contract until 2016 with unlimited data.
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If this is true, I'm curious to see how they handle those of us who are still on contract with an UDP by way of the best buy trick. I'm personally under contract until 2016 with unlimited data.
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Me too. I was going to upgrade to the m9 today but she told me that so I'm trying to find another loop hole now. She's been busy at work so I haven't found any more info yet.
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Thats kinda strange seeing that my sister just purchased the M9 last week and they informed her that the only way she could keep the Unlimited Data was to purchase at full retail which she did. She still has her Unlimited data attached.
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Thats kinda strange seeing that my sister just purchased the M9 last week and they informed her that the only way she could keep the Unlimited Data was to purchase at full retail which she did. She still has her Unlimited data attached.
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That's how I've gotten to keep my unlimited in the past. She just found this out today. She works for corporate too and not some random retailer.
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This was a Corporate Verizon store, we dont deal with authorized agents cause 9 times out of 10 they'll do something that screws up your account. If it turns out they are doing this, you'll definitely see a lot of people jump ship cause a lot of them have stuck around because they had the unlimited plan.
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This was a Corporate Verizon store, we dont deal with authorized agents cause 9 times out of 10 they'll do something that screws up your account. If it turns out they are doing this, you'll definitely see a lot of people jump ship cause a lot of them have stuck around because they had the unlimited plan.
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I did the best buy trick last week and I doubt they will remove unlimited data. Too many people have UDP and I doubt they will do anything about it.
Don't listen to a CSR person. There have been rumors about this since they did away with the unlimited data plans. Wait until it actually happens before panicking.
Basically said stop listening to your girlfriend.
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Basically said stop listening to your girlfriend.
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Who likely heard it from another uninformed person. In the last four years I've read countless reports from numerous trusted sources that said "unlimited is going away" and it hasn't happened yet. I'm sure someday it will, but there's no sense in posts like these and people getting up in arms. Whenever it happens, all of us holding on to it will have to decide what to do at that point.
Can't see how they can take it away when buying a phone at full retail price doesn't affect your plan at all. You can walk in and buy the phone and never activate it at the store. If any thing the store workers are being told to do something underhanded. Next time I buy at full retail I won't have them activate the phone.
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Well, my contract ends in a month, but I just got this phone off contract & still have unlimited. I think I have to change my plan & then I'm screwed.
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If this is true, I'm curious to see how they handle those of us who are still on contract with an UDP by way of the best buy trick. I'm personally under contract until 2016 with unlimited data.
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By your own admission it was a trick and thus not valid. The only ones legitimately still on contract are those that took advantage of a 1 day glitch on Verizon's website in Sept 2013 that allowed unlimited data users to upgrade. Verizon has said they would honor those contracts. They have never said they would honor contracts signed elsewhere. Everyone else on UDP their contracts ran out by June 27th 2014. Even the contracts people got with the glitch run out in a few months anyway. Read the terms. The terms are very clear, you could only keep UDP if you paid full price for a phone. Getting a discounted phone and signing a new contract is not full price. Thus you violated the terms thus the contact is null and void and Verizon doesn't have to honor it.
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Dark Jedi said:
Can't see how they can take it away when buying a phone at full retail price doesn't affect your plan at all. .
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because they don't want people on unlimited data anymore. They don't want or need people using 500 GB a month. Mobile data isn't made to handle that. Maybe if people didn't have a cow over Verizon's "throttling" plan and Verizon was forced to scrap it they would have keep unlimited data around.
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because they don't want people on unlimited data anymore. They don't want or need people using 500 GB a month. Mobile data isn't made to handle that. Maybe if people didn't have a cow over Verizon's "throttling" plan and Verizon was forced to scrap it they would have keep unlimited data around.
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Let's not fool ourselves, people using inordinate amounts of data aren't the reason VZ wants to do away with unlimited data. There are plenty of other ways to deal with that. They want more $$. Data is a cash cow because very few users actually understand it. Minutes and Text are easy to keep track of, data is black magic to most people. Those of us who hang onto unlimited data actually understand the value of it. When that value goes away we'll all be re-evaluating our choice of carrier and plan. I know I can use 3 - 6 Gigabytes simply by streaming music while I'm in the car.
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By your own admission it was a trick and thus not valid. The only ones legitimately still on contract are those that took advantage of a 1 day glitch on Verizon's website in Sept 2013 that allowed unlimited data users to upgrade. Verizon has said they would honor those contracts. They have never said they would honor contracts signed elsewhere. Everyone else on UDP their contracts ran out by June 27th 2014. Even the contracts people got with the glitch run out in a few months anyway. Read the terms. The terms are very clear, you could only keep UDP if you paid full price for a phone. Getting a discounted phone and signing a new contract is not full price. Thus you violated the terms thus the contact is null and void and Verizon doesn't have to honor it.
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because they don't want people on unlimited data anymore. They don't want or need people using 500 GB a month. Mobile data isn't made to handle that. Maybe if people didn't have a cow over Verizon's "throttling" plan and Verizon was forced to scrap it they would have keep unlimited data around.
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Mobile data can handle that. I point you to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1757890
Second, Verizon was able to offer unlimited data for $30/month, then they got greedy and charging you $40 for 2 gigs of it(it use to be $50). I can burn through 2 gig/day on my home internet no problem. They can offer unlimited or a ungodly high gig without outrageous pricing, mobile should be the same way.
Verizon spent over 5 billion on the c block spectrum, now they are taking advantage of their customers charging them uncalled for prices for data.
Bottom line this is about MONEY not can the network handle it. I personally think they have several congested sites in my area b/c of my sometimes poor speed. The most data I ever used is about 13 gigs, i average under 4-5, and I hardly think any amounts I used are uncalled for.
Also, us unlimited users are not throttled that was discouraged by the FCC, and VZW backed down from it. ATT is involved in a lawsuit with the FCC over it and they continue to throttle until its settled.
They still offer Unlimited to their corporate accounts. If it was that big of a hassle, then they wouldn't offer it at all. I currently use VZW and ONLY do because I still have my unlimited plans. Once that changes, I'll be changing carriers.
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I have a feeling UDP will be around for awhile. For the people who have them. Just don't get a discounted phone. You're good.
To be safe, just buy your phones outright! New contract = new terms of service, and yes they can do whatever they want. Buy your phones third party and keep unlimited data.
Just picked up the nexus 6 at full price. Unlimited data is still in tact.
Or should i say price hike either way I'll just leave this here
http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/08/verizon-unlimited-data-price-increase/
A few weeks ago right after receiving my phone I had a question and stopped into a VZ store. After looking over my phone, it was the first Pure they had seen, they told me good luck holding onto my UDP. They were not specific but insinuated something was coming down from up top. I was told we have two types of customers. contract..... and data hogs. They may not have known exactly that this increase was taking place but they seemed to know something was coming.
I'm not sure how I'm going to handle the change. I am happy I have an unlocked phone that gives me choice of any carry should I decide to move on. Glad they don't mind losing me. I've been a customer for a long time because the other carrier's coverage WAS terrible. It's not so bad now.
Thank God I'm still on an unlimited data contract for another year
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I don't think this is a big deal at all. An extra $240 a year. If i were making 5 bucks an hour, might hurt a bit. Fact of the matter is, it was a good run. We were getting away with murder at 30 bucks a month for unlimited. Kinda unfair that we pay less than 2GB of data tiers.
Should be thankful and not feeling spited. Verizon doesn't have to keep unlimited data to OGs, yet they do.
Agree with above post. Us 1% have most definitely benefitted for years. I'm understanding that legacy UDP people will not be affected.
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the whole thing caught me of guard and I agree it was a good run..... at least they didn't just revoke the UDP from us all together
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I don't think this is a big deal at all. An extra $240 a year.
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Yeah? Multiply that times three.
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Yeah? Multiply that times three.
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Multiply what, times 3?
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Multiply what, times 3?
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$240. I have three unlimited lines.
Darkestred said:
I don't think this is a big deal at all. An extra $240 a year. If i were making 5 bucks an hour, might hurt a bit. Fact of the matter is, it was a good run. We were getting away with murder at 30 bucks a month for unlimited. Kinda unfair that we pay less than 2GB of data tiers.
Should be thankful and not feeling spited. Verizon doesn't have to keep unlimited data to OGs, yet they do.
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($30/month) + (I don't remember any reduction after my initial device subsidy was paid off, on my OG Incredible..... 2011.) =
Seems to me we have already been paying to play.
35 gigs so far this month, and my cycle ends the 21st...yeah, let's see how your wonderful plans would save me money, eh verizon? lmao. I'll pay it. it's still better than going to att or crap t-mobile.
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I lost my unlimited data long ago. :crying:
Obviously Verizon RIPS us all off when our phone is paid for but we still pay full price on contract!
And nobody likes a price increase on anything!
But for those who do have unlimited data, and are complaining about the rate hike....just be glad they haven't pulled the whole carpet out from under you! Yet, that is.....
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Yeah? Multiply that times three.
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I'm about in the same boat as you, only I have 2 unlimited lines and not 3, so I understand. Maybe your situation is more like mine, in that we don't have any sort of broadband options where we live, so we both use a lot of data. However, I'm thinking that using my phone as my home ISP with it connecting to my router, may help to decrease some data useage on my other line.
We will probably test out using my phone as the primary ISP and connecting her phone to that wifi to see if that will help reduce her data usage enough to justify moving her to a tiered plan. Maybe a similar configuration may help you out as well?
I'm dumping Verizon just before I finish out this billing cycle. I'm sick of their shenanigans. My plan is to rack up 500gb of data (UDP) before I give them the finger.
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Verizon wants the $. They already are robbing people.
Well if they're concerned about 'data hogs', it's gonna get a whole lot worse if we're made to pay more for the service. Won't have any qualm about using as much data as I can now. The max I've used is 35g on vacation. That'll be chump change...
At some point it will need to go the other direction. Consumers are being screwed by data caps while carriers are pushing LTE and high def content. Not to mention cloud to access your own content.
Hell, I'm just pissed I have to pay what I do and my kids spend most of their time on WiFi. Why brag about service if the end result is you spend 99% of your time worrying about that?
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I've been f***ing around with my plan to see what I can do when the rate hike comes. It looks like I can cut my talk minutes back so the increase will "only" cost me $30 over all three of my lines. I guess I can't complain too much, since I've had a promo since 2010, that made my unlimited data only $9.95/mo on each line.