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Hey guys,
I've just receieved my third HTC handset with what I'd consider to be a major issue.
HTC Touch2 in 2009 - would often power off during calls (probably due to WinMo). Hardware buttons quickly became loose after about a month of use, and the backlighting stopped working.
HTC Legend in 2010 - this phone is two months old and the top speaker is so broken I can barely hear somebody on a call. Everything crackles and pops and, according to people on the other end, they can barely hear me either. It's annoying as when I bought it the call quality was great but gradually the speaker got buzzier and buzzier.
HTC 7 Trophy - the most serious of the bunch. Yesterday, whilst web browsing, the phone displayed a still multicoloured screen of static. None of the buttons would work. After taking the battery out and restarting, the static re-appeared. I've managed to power on the phone since - you have to wait an hour with the battery out - but you get the same static lock ups when web browsing or using search after about five minutes. Having had a similar experience on my laptop, it looks to me like a GPU failure.
Am I the only one who has experienced incredibly shoddy hardware quality control from HTC? I'm going to have to replace the HTC Trophy and, at the moment, I'm starting to seriously question going with an HTC. The touch2's button issues were forgiveable because that was relatively cheap, the Legend's speaker was incredibly annoying but the Trophy's GPU failures are completely unforgiveable IMO. They render the phone completely useless.
Am I just unlucky or have others experienced similar concerns?
Cheers
My Hero has been fine, along with my touch... Although that met a washing machine in the end
Finally ~ Someone With A Similar Issue
Finally, someone that doesn't purely worship HTC... Although I haven't experienced issues to the magnitude of your's, I haven't been 100% happy with my phone since the day I bought it. I have a HTC Desire, and I got this phone in confidence after reading many reviews about how good the phone was, these reviews were clearly written from people with 0% experience with the phone.
I will number the issues I have had with the build quality of this phone...
1) The case on the back of the phone, has only ever been took off about 4 times, I have never dropped my phone or anything, however it starting to come off, yes, I can take the back of my phone off, without using the finger slot.
2) The screen is so easy to scratch? It was in a pocket with an Asthma spray, and there was no vigorous shaking of my pocket, yet somehow the screen just completely f****d up man... wow.
3) This is probably the worst issue I have. Every time HTC releases an update for my phone, I run into some sort of issue. I got my phone in May/April 2010 (it's on Orange UK however de-branded and now due to update issues, running a custom ROM) and immidiatley I found that an update had been released. After downloading the update the phone started to install the update, however it restarted and nothing happened. Left it for about an hour, nothing... So yes, I did the worst, took the battery out and messed it up completely. The shop I got it from forced me to send it to HTC, it took them 5 weeks (VERY poor customer service) and when I got it back they had barely fixed it, as when I turned it on, it finished installing the update?
4) I have had some other software issues, such as the system occasionally locking up and having to remove the battery to get anything to work. Occasionally the screen will lock up, like I won't be able to click any icons, however I'll be able to swipe from screen to screen, and it really can be quite annoying. As far as battery goes, it will last me an entire day, but will require a charge at the end of the day.
However, I think me and you are in a minority. I'm 14 years old, and I talked my Dad into buying a HTC Desire HD. He hasn't had a single problem with his, it installs updates perfectly without and issue, and the software performs seaming-less (except for a problem with a process that took up 80.9% of the RAM, fixed by turning the USB Debugging on?) So I believe HTC are good, theres just a few really, really bad apples in there, and unfortunately HTC won't admit this, and don't want to do anything about it... I hope I helped, I'm fairly new on here...
Cheers, Michael.
Well guys,you are a minority indeed.This Tuesday I received my Desire HD,which is my fourth handset from HTC.I have had a Diamond,a Hero,a Desire and now the Desire HD.The only problem I ever had was with my Diamond which,after one year and a half took some water in it without getting exposed to any water,but it was because the climate here is very humid.Other than that I have never had an issue.And I am no fanboy,if I had problems I would change without second thought.
I'll just tell you that a friend of mine punched my Desire HD with his full strength(don't ask why) while it was in my pocket.I thought the phone was done for,scrap,but the phone is like nothing happened.My friend's hand wasn't so lucky however,it still needs ice!
I currently have a Vibrant and I feel like this phone was a total POS until almost 6month later when voodoo lag fix came along and ROMS started to come out that had working GPS, better data, etc etc... If not for the dev community I would have thrown this thing out the window the 2nd time the GPS couldn't find me on google maps...
I love tinkering with a phone, but I also want to start with a phone that doesn't have random reboots, crappy GPS, slow file system lag and all the other crap I had to deal with the Vibrant (and my first android MyTouch 3g)... Althought most issues have been ironed out now, it took almost a year since I first purchased my Vibrant, and I am looking to upgrade either to G2x, Sensation or GSII. Don't want to start a battle which is better, but from what I gathered so far from G2x:
-Screen: hit or miss, some complain about bleed, some say its the best thing ever... seems like the quality control is really a hit or miss with the display
-Data: Won't connect to 4g network, generally seems to be unreliable and signal strength weaker than most phones but has a great GPS
-Battery: Heard there is a battery drain issue, some say its corrected with factory reset?
-Integration: Stock android 2.2? So I am guessing contacts aren't linked together to social network profiles?
-Build Quality: Better than most other phones, rock solid not many complain
-Speed: Looks like its a pretty quick phone for running on an un-optimized OS, will get quicker with updates
Before anyone starts praising and telling me this phones potential and that CM is going to make this awesome, I really don't care... my Vibrant had the potential to not be a total POS either, a year later its somewhat tolerable and right about the time when dual core phones have come out and me starting to look for upgrade. So I guess I just want to know what are some known issues with the phone today that you guys have noticed. I know there is no perfect phone, but I want something that can be tolerable for at least a little while before a custom rom comes out that doesn't breaks more things than it fixes
Me Personnally
I too also came from the vibrants ., and was also fed up with the crappy support from samsung, and that an official cm has still not seen the light of day.
Thats the reason i got the g2x. From what i heard, its completely open. Alot of the top devs for cm have or are getting the phone.
I think the screen bleed is something that everyone is going to have to get used too. I have some bleeds at the corner of my screen too.
Performance wise; without tweaks, just straight out of the box for me, this has destroyed my vibrant with teamweaskys latest rom.
I wont get the sensation because of the locked bootloader, and i am not going to trust or put up with the crap that samsung gave us with the vibrant.
This phone is AWESOME!!!!!!! i am loving it so much.
apart from the screen bleed, all the other issues you see here, are all temporary, i mean real temporary.
Ps
Saw a tweet come in with some peeps already running gingerbread on there gx2
Same Reason why I bought the phoen was because the bootloader is unlocked, but unfortunately this phone has to many other issue's.
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-Screen: hit or miss, some complain about bleed, some say its the best thing ever... seems like the quality control is really a hit or miss with the display
-Data: Won't connect to 4g network, generally seems to be unreliable and signal strength weaker than most phones but has a great GPS
-Battery: Heard there is a battery drain issue, some say its corrected with factory reset?
-Integration: Stock android 2.2? So I am guessing contacts aren't linked together to social network profiles?
-Build Quality: Better than most other phones, rock solid not many complain
-Speed: Looks like its a pretty quick phone for running on an un-optimized OS, will get quicker with updates
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These are my opinions.
-Screen: Yes, some bleed more than others. I think this issue has been blown way out of proportion as it seems the majority of users have to manipulate screen brightness, environment and content displayed on the screen in order to show bleed.
-Data: I only have 2G in my area. When I'm out in 4G areas away from home, I just set the connection to force 4G data and it's smokin' fast, never drops.
-GPS: Most of the time it locks on instantly for me on any Froyo ROM. Sometimes it takes about 60 seconds. If it looks like it's going to take a while, I usually close Maps, open GPS Status & Toolbox to refresh the AGPS data and it'll lock solid again. This should be fixed as soon as Gingerbread drivers are available.
-Battery: Battery is up to par with other Android phones in my opinion. Seems better on any tweaked out Froyo or Gingerbread ROM.
-Integration: I don't use social network/contact integration so I can't even touch on this. Don't know how and not interested. Sorry.
-Build Quality: Good weight, doesn't feel cheap. Generally accepted that it has Gorilla Glass. I have a couple extremely light scratches on my screen, so it's probably a good idea to get a screen protector if you care about such things. I just haven't touched a screen protector I like so I don't use one. I've taken the back off about 15 times and there is now one spot on the phone that if I squeeze, it creaks a little bit. Can't tell with normal use and still feels solid.
-Speed: Stock ROM is a little sluggish but with a couple flashable mods, maybe a kernel, this phone is super fast. I don't even feel the need to overclock. Currently running EaglesBlood Froyo 1.05 with faux's froyo kernel at the time of this writing.
Hope some of this helps you out.
Edit: And with an unlocked bootloader, just flash recovery and start crackflashing away. Love not messing with bootloaders.
Add Randomly REFORMATS to the list. My phone has reformatted itself randomly three times now since i've had it. stock. Once it like forgot it had an OS and just kept looping itself and then installed the OS randomly. Badass phone.
MavrcK145 said:
Add Randomly REFORMATS to the list. My phone has reformatted itself randomly three times now since i've had it. stock. Once it like forgot it had an OS and just kept looping itself and then installed the OS randomly. Badass phone.
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I can atest this also has happened to me. LG has a class action suit against them, you should all file your complaints.
I made a thread about this because it could give insight as to whether there are deeper hardware issues that could lead to some of these software instabilities;
The 3.5 mm audio jack has very audible noise/hiss on it when the amplifier is turned on (up to 1 second after any sound finishes playing, such as after the tone you hear when changing the ringer volume). This should be completely inaudible if the circuit itself is designed properly and everything is shielded where it should be, and if the components related to power supply/filtering are working properly. If someone could test this (takes 5 seconds) with their good and faulty phones, stock or modded, it may demonstrate something.
More: non-reboot bugs. On pressing the power button to unlock the phone today (3 days since factory reset, 1.5 weeks since buying) the unlock slider is missing, except for the white triangle pointing to the right. Sliding it makes it appear and play the animation, and it appears next unlock.
Another random: Holding volume down until it is vibrating non-stop and then powering down the phone causes some apps to show and do random things after the power down animation plays, before the screen suddenly blanks.
I still urge owners of variably configured G2x's to test for the presence of noise as described in my thread- if LG has hardware problems instead of all software, not everything is safe by modding the ROM. Perhaps the noise is shoddy software coding. The DAC and opamps used here would not create that, only the circuit design.
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I made a thread about this because it could give insight as to whether there are deeper hardware issues that could lead to some of these software instabilities;
The 3.5 mm audio jack has very audible noise/hiss on it when the amplifier is turned on (up to 1 second after any sound finishes playing, such as after the tone you hear when changing the ringer volume). This should be completely inaudible if the circuit itself is designed properly and everything is shielded where it should be, and if the components related to power supply/filtering are working properly. If someone could test this (takes 5 seconds) with their good and faulty phones, stock or modded, it may demonstrate something.
More: non-reboot bugs. On pressing the power button to unlock the phone today (3 days since factory reset, 1.5 weeks since buying) the unlock slider is missing, except for the white triangle pointing to the right. Sliding it makes it appear and play the animation, and it appears next unlock.
Another random: Holding volume down until it is vibrating non-stop and then powering down the phone causes some apps to show and do random things after the power down animation plays, before the screen suddenly blanks.
I still urge owners of variably configured G2x's to test for the presence of noise as described in my thread- if LG has hardware problems instead of all software, not everything is safe by modding the ROM. Perhaps the noise is shoddy software coding. The DAC and opamps used here would not create that, only the circuit design.
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I don't even think I own a pair of headphones anymore... hahaha. I'll try this with a set of powered speakers as soon as my children let me.
Wow I was going to buy G2x. Can anybody answer about 4G data part who use it on regular basis? Is it really not reliable?
I was thinking of upgrading from HD2 to g2x mainly because of 4G and front camera, but if 4G is not properly working on this one, I have to select some different phone then..
I picked up a Sensation at Walmart today to compare to the G2X and see what the fuss was all about. First impression was downright disappointing and the more I use it the more I am starting to miss using my G2X.
I'm going to force myself to use the Sensation for at least 2-3 days before I return it because right now I'm longing for my G2X. I really don't get why people are leaving G2X to get Sensation. I have both now and the G2X is night and day a better phone to me.
Things I've noticed so far after only a few hours:
- Sensation takes much longer to boot than G2X - I thought the Sensation had frozen at startup but nope, taking its time
- Worrying most to me - a few times the touchscreen will just stop responding to touches. I have to hit a soft key or something and then it starts working again. Very weird.
- Weirdly slow wifi speeds. I get 2mbps down on my Sensation while I get 30mbps down on the G2X - Same router/AP. No other changes?!?
- Screen resolution on Sensation is excellent for reading text and whatnot BUT it's horrible for color saturation and viewing angles. Just holding a G2X next to it really is quite a drastic difference
- Lag city due to Sense and other overhead. Scrolling homescreen, app drawer, lists, even apps like CNN, etc. is shockingly laggy. I hardly have anything running or widgets and it feels slower than my old Incredible with Sense. Not sure what the hell they did to this phone.
- Sense app replacements for stock apps (sms, email, etc.) are complete resource hogs and not fast like stock android. Takes forever to get things done.
I've installed Launcher Pro and am going to try running it with LP to see if it makes this phone livable. So far it's a big fat suck for me.
Will post more here.
mobilehavoc said:
Sensation takes much longer to boot than G2X - I thought the Sensation had frozen at startup but nope, taking its time
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Your phone's defective...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXtZLXwpCC0
Not a disappointment to this G2X owner. The G2X is ready to go out of the box but the Sensation requires some tweaking. First you need to turn off those silly Sense animations. Then get rid of the 7 pages worth of widgets. Go into the WiFi settings and turn on "Maximum Performance". Lastly, do not let the Sensation automatically install your applications and uncheck back up settings and app data under privacy.
-After the initial boot up, the Sensation actually boots much faster due to HTC's quick boot.
-Never had a problem with the display not responding to my Touches. It's actually miles more responsive than the G2X display since I found myself swiping 3 times to unlock the G2X. I believe you though. Some people have this problem.
-WiFi speeds are just as fast on my Sensation. I get around 20mb/s down and 8mb/s up on both devices. Want to see pics?
-Viewing angles are atrocious on the Sensation and it's contrast is not on the same level as the G2X IPS panel. That being said. Colors on the Sensation are much sharper and vibrant. I think it has better colors but this is more of a preference thing. I can tell you whats not preference and that's the brightness of the Sensations display. When viewing both devices in direct sunlight. The Sensation is a mile better than the G2X.
-The UI is not as responsive as on the G2X but when your in an app I think it's faster than on the G2X. The Sensations browser also loads and scrolls web pages faster. In the end, if you tweak Sense a little bit, there is no more lag but it's still not instant like the G2X.
-The Sense email app doesn't get used since I use Gmail. I never use manufacturer email apps due to the stock Gmail app having true push mail. The Text Message app is just as fast and better looking than the one on the G2X. I use to use Hancent until it lagged on the G2X. I am back to Hancent and it doesn't lag on the Sensation.
Everyone is going to have different experiences just like they do with the G2X. I am not biased by no means since I own both devices until I sell one. I am not in debt to either of the two.
In the end, use what you like. Everyone is going to have a different opinion. If you want to see a unbiased review than check mine out.
BarryH_GEG said:
Your phone's defective...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXtZLXwpCC0
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Either that or he's telling stories. There is no way in the world the G2X is going to boot faster when the Sensation has quick boot. It boots in 1/3 of the time it takes the G2X.
BarryH_GEG said:
Your phone's defective...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXtZLXwpCC0
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Sense has that fastboot feature which doesn't really shut down the phone, but rather puts it in a hibernate mode. From a dead start (after pulling the battery) the sensation does take longer to boot than the G2x. I say that from experience after playing with one at the store
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Sense has that fastboot feature which doesn't really shut down the phone, but rather puts it in a hibernate mode. From a dead start (after pulling the battery) the sensation does take longer to boot than the G2x. I say that from experience after playing with one at the store
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When turning off fast boot mine boot within seconds of each other. When fast boot is on it is still rebooting the system and restoring all of your lost memory that apps suck up over the course of use.
I tested browser extensively. G2x won every time...
omarsalmin said:
Sense has that fastboot feature which doesn't really shut down the phone, but rather puts it in a hibernate mode. From a dead start (after pulling the battery) the sensation does take longer to boot than the G2x. I say that from experience after playing with one at the store
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yea omar u are rite, actually they are very close but the g2x goes online quicker so i say g2x heres proof go to 7:07..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfkzlGxiHc
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I tested browser extensively. G2x won every time...
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Do this fix and test again. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1118017
To the OP get a new device, yours is defective.
jlevy73 said:
To the OP get a new device, yours is defective.
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Is it just me or are applications on the Sensation quicker? It seems like my Sensation will load apps faster and also interact with apps faster. Just wandering if it's just me.
Sensation is slow and laggy. The sensation rom on my mt4g is way smoother, faster and less problems.
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just wondering what the benfit of this is? "do not let the Sensation automatically install your applications and uncheck back up settings and app data under privacy."
If its speed, how does this really affect the speed of the UI?
jrwingate6 said:
Not a disappointment to this G2X owner. The G2X is ready to go out of the box but the Sensation requires some tweaking. First you need to turn off those silly Sense animations. Then get rid of the 7 pages worth of widgets. Go into the WiFi settings and turn on "Maximum Performance". Lastly, do not let the Sensation automatically install your applications and uncheck back up settings and app data under privacy.
-After the initial boot up, the Sensation actually boots much faster due to HTC's quick boot.
-Never had a problem with the display not responding to my Touches. It's actually miles more responsive than the G2X display since I found myself swiping 3 times to unlock the G2X. I believe you though. Some people have this problem.
-WiFi speeds are just as fast on my Sensation. I get around 20mb/s down and 8mb/s up on both devices. Want to see pics?
-Viewing angles are atrocious on the Sensation and it's contrast is not on the same level as the G2X IPS panel. That being said. Colors on the Sensation are much sharper and vibrant. I think it has better colors but this is more of a preference thing. I can tell you whats not preference and that's the brightness of the Sensations display. When viewing both devices in direct sunlight. The Sensation is a mile better than the G2X.
-The UI is not as responsive as on the G2X but when your in an app I think it's faster than on the G2X. The Sensations browser also loads and scrolls web pages faster. In the end, if you tweak Sense a little bit, there is no more lag but it's still not instant like the G2X.
-The Sense email app doesn't get used since I use Gmail. I never use manufacturer email apps due to the stock Gmail app having true push mail. The Text Message app is just as fast and better looking than the one on the G2X. I use to use Hancent until it lagged on the G2X. I am back to Hancent and it doesn't lag on the Sensation.
Everyone is going to have different experiences just like they do with the G2X. I am not biased by no means since I own both devices until I sell one. I am not in debt to either of the two.
In the end, use what you like. Everyone is going to have a different opinion. If you want to see a unbiased review than check mine out.
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mobilehavoc said:
I picked up a Sensation at Walmart today to compare to the G2X and see what the fuss was all about. First impression was downright disappointing and the more I use it the more I am starting to miss using my G2X.
I'm going to force myself to use the Sensation for at least 2-3 days before I return it because right now I'm longing for my G2X. I really don't get why people are leaving G2X to get Sensation. I have both now and the G2X is night and day a better phone to me.
Things I've noticed so far after only a few hours:
- Sensation takes much longer to boot than G2X - I thought the Sensation had frozen at startup but nope, taking its time
- Worrying most to me - a few times the touchscreen will just stop responding to touches. I have to hit a soft key or something and then it starts working again. Very weird.
- Weirdly slow wifi speeds. I get 2mbps down on my Sensation while I get 30mbps down on the G2X - Same router/AP. No other changes?!?
- Screen resolution on Sensation is excellent for reading text and whatnot BUT it's horrible for color saturation and viewing angles. Just holding a G2X next to it really is quite a drastic difference
- Lag city due to Sense and other overhead. Scrolling homescreen, app drawer, lists, even apps like CNN, etc. is shockingly laggy. I hardly have anything running or widgets and it feels slower than my old Incredible with Sense. Not sure what the hell they did to this phone.
- Sense app replacements for stock apps (sms, email, etc.) are complete resource hogs and not fast like stock android. Takes forever to get things done.
I've installed Launcher Pro and am going to try running it with LP to see if it makes this phone livable. So far it's a big fat suck for me.
Will post more here.
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OP I have to say you sound incredibly biased. Not the least bit of objectivity in your post. You illustrate this when you say the difference in the screens is night and day. Anyone who has both (such as myself and jrwingate) will tell you if you sit them side by side there is not very much difference at all. The G2X has better viewing angles but that's about it. But one thing the Sensation does have over the G2X when it comes to the screen is uniform blacks. Since there is NO screen bleeding at all, the blacks are at least uniform..something I cannot say about the G2X. The sense replacements for certain apps such as SMS and email run perfectly fine and without lag. So your assessment is definitely without merit. You spoke about the difference in boot time...from a cold boot, they are almost the same, and when doing a quick boot, the Sensation boots MUCH faster than the G2X. All in all it sounds like either your phone is defective...or you don't really have one. I say that because too much of what you said is off base. Your description is very inaccurate (as you can see from the responses you've received in this thread). The only night and day (as you called it) difference is the difference in stability. The G2X is a good phone don't get me wrong, but until it's a stable device (freezes, random reboots, battery life) it won't stack up against a phone that is stable. I've had the Sensation now for 11 days and it hasn't crashed once. Care to guess how many times my G2X would have froze or random reboot in that same amount of time? lol ...let's just say A LOT. LOL
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Is it just me or are applications on the Sensation quicker? It seems like my Sensation will load apps faster and also interact with apps faster. Just wandering if it's just me.
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Side by side, they seem about equal to me. I can't really discern a difference.
Since I posted here is what else has happened:
- Was using the phone and launched Market...froze up, phone shut off wouldn't power back on. Had to pull the battery
- Phone may start fast from a warm boot but 99% of the time I never turn my phone off on purpose so the times I start it up is from a cold boot - in those cases it definitely takes FOREVER to start up compared to the G2X. Try this - the battery out of your Sensation and your G2X (assuming you have both). Now put the batteries back in and turn them on the same time. Done.
- Used Navigation and things were fine then noticed the GPS icon kept flashing and couldn't turn if off so it drained my battery and I had to do a restart (WHICH ALSO takes forever btw!!)
- LauncherPro is helping significantly, the scrolling is smooth and overall it's nice. Higher screen res is messing up some widgets
- Wifi speed is back to normal now for some reason so that's at least a good thing. No issues with data to report yet either thankfully
- My favorite thing about this phone is honestly and sadly the lock screen. Having quick access to apps from there is very nice but that's just software and sure not specific to HTC.
- HTC keyboard is garbage so I replaced with Keyboard from Gingerbread in Market.
So basically, in order for me to use this phone I've removed most of what HTC has on by default. I'm all for tweaking but this further illustrates the crap that skins do to phones. This thing running stock Gingerbread (or even Froyo) would have been quite wonderful.
I'm going to keep tweaking and keep it around for a few more days before I decide but I definitely am still missing the G2X. So far this thing doesn't do anything particularly better for me than the G2X. IMHO.
F THIS - I've decided to uninstall LP and go back to Stock Sense launcher. If I end up with LP, then I might as well use G2X. I'm going to live with this phone with stock Sense launcher so I get the real experience.
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OP I have to say you sound incredibly biased. Not the least bit of objectivity in your post. You illustrate this when you say the difference in the screens is night and day. Anyone who has both (such as myself and jrwingate) will tell you if you sit them side by side there is not very much difference at all. The G2X has better viewing angles but that's about it. But one thing the Sensation does have over the G2X when it comes to the screen is uniform blacks. Since there is NO screen bleeding at all, the blacks are at least uniform..something I cannot say about the G2X. The sense replacements for certain apps such as SMS and email run perfectly fine and without lag. So your assessment is definitely without merit. You spoke about the difference in boot time...from a cold boot, they are almost the same, and when doing a quick boot, the Sensation boots MUCH faster than the G2X. All in all it sounds like either your phone is defective...or you don't really have one. I say that because too much of what you said is off base. Your description is very inaccurate (as you can see from the responses you've received in this thread). The only night and day (as you called it) difference is the difference in stability. The G2X is a good phone don't get me wrong, but until it's a stable device (freezes, random reboots, battery life) it won't stack up against a phone that is stable. I've had the Sensation now for 11 days and it hasn't crashed once. Care to guess how many times my G2X would have froze or random reboot in that same amount of time? lol ...let's just say A LOT. LOL
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So why are you posting in the G2X forum and especially in this thread??
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So why are you posting in the G2X forum and especially in this thread??
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Umm if you paid attention to what I wrote...you'd see I said I have BOTH the G2X and the Sensation. Keep up...
mobilehavoc said:
Since I posted here is what else has happened:
- Was using the phone and launched Market...froze up, phone shut off wouldn't power back on. Had to pull the battery
- Phone may start fast from a warm boot but 99% of the time I never turn my phone off on purpose so the times I start it up is from a cold boot - in those cases it definitely takes FOREVER to start up compared to the G2X. Try this - the battery out of your Sensation and your G2X (assuming you have both). Now put the batteries back in and turn them on the same time. Done.
- Used Navigation and things were fine then noticed the GPS icon kept flashing and couldn't turn if off so it drained my battery and I had to do a restart (WHICH ALSO takes forever btw!!)
- LauncherPro is helping significantly, the scrolling is smooth and overall it's nice. Higher screen res is messing up some widgets
- Wifi speed is back to normal now for some reason so that's at least a good thing. No issues with data to report yet either thankfully
- My favorite thing about this phone is honestly and sadly the lock screen. Having quick access to apps from there is very nice but that's just software and sure not specific to HTC.
- HTC keyboard is garbage so I replaced with Keyboard from Gingerbread in Market.
So basically, in order for me to use this phone I've removed most of what HTC has on by default. I'm all for tweaking but this further illustrates the crap that skins do to phones. This thing running stock Gingerbread (or even Froyo) would have been quite wonderful.
I'm going to keep tweaking and keep it around for a few more days before I decide but I definitely am still missing the G2X. So far this thing doesn't do anything particularly better for me than the G2X. IMHO.
F THIS - I've decided to uninstall LP and go back to Stock Sense launcher. If I end up with LP, then I might as well use G2X. I'm going to live with this phone with stock Sense launcher so I get the real experience.
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You've already decided you don't like it so do yourself a favor and return it. You've already had so many problems...funny the problems you named in here I've seen noone else have..but hey if you say you're having the problems then you're having the problems lol.... I'd still go with what the other people said, if you're really having that much trouble then your phone is definitely defective because the Sensation doesn't most of the issues you named. By the way, the data latency has a fix for it. By the way, just for good measure...I've had the phone since the 8th and have yet to experience a freeze or a crash, and the vast majority of others have had the same experience. Same can't be said for my G2X. But to be honest, the things you say in your post makes me really question the validity of it....just saying...objectivity is non-existent..
Just because I have had tons of problems with the Sensation you question my objectivity but people who post the same crap about the G2X is ok because you've had problems. Wow.
Any case, my Wifi on Sensation just slowed down again since I checked 5 mins ago...looks like I'm not the only one. Fix this for me and I'll avoid throwing this thing back in the box.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1125623&highlight=wifi+slow
I have just upgraded from an unbranded Desire I used on Voda UK to a Voda UK Sensation and I am very disappointed.
The Sensation has the potential to be a fantastic phone, but for a few really annoying faults.
1) The Phone network reception is terrible. In my house I have a very good 2g Voda reception and quite good 3g reception (One of the reasons I went with Voda years ago) I have NEVER had a problem with any other phone on Voda in my house before until now. The sensation will one minute show 3-4 bars of 2g signal, if I then pick it up and start using it, browsing the web etc, the phone will often go to no service. When I am talking on the phone in my house the person at the other end constantly complains that I am cutting out.
I have read about the alleged “grip of death” problems the sensation has if you hold the phone at the top with the Wi-Fi signal dropping and mine does that as well. I think the GSM/3G aerial is at the bottom of the case which is exactly where most people hold their phone normally and holding it defiantly affects the mobile signal as well as Wi-Fi a LOT more then I have experienced with any other phone to the point of it losing the signal in a strong area.
I am getting a replacement from Voda next week as I am still within the 7 days. I really hope this one is better with regard to GSM/3G signal.
2) I am getting the well documented problem with the Widgets (even the HTC power widget) intermittently getting coloured lines through it. It may be fine for a day then one starts and then they all start ending up in the widgets becoming unread able. To clear the problem you either have to remove the widget and then re place it on the home screen or change the scene and then back again or reboot the phone (rebooting does not always work, seems to be pot luck). I have read that HTC say that this is to do with 3rd party software not being written for QHD resolution!! Well HTC as the Sensation is, as far as I am aware, the first phone to have a QHD screen, how many f**king apps do they think will be written for QHD screens?? This is not the case anyway as sometimes they display fine for a day or so and sometimes their own power widget suffers!! Come on HTC, it is your responsibility to make sure at least 3rd party software written for earlier resolutions display without corruption, I can understand when apps display small and don’t take up the whole screen but this is a BUG.
3) I am also getting another commonly reported problem. Sense almost always reboots after installing/removing/moving an app and sometimes after exiting an app. I have read that people have put this down to the new sense being quite memory hungry and the device can shut Sense down sometimes if memory runs low??? WHAT ??? This version of sense was written by HTC for THIS PHONE!!! How can this phone not have enough RAM memory to deal with it??? I experimented with custom ported versions of this sense on my rooted Desire and sense would very, very rarely reboot, but I accepted those very few occasional sense reboots as they were custom roms with ported software not designed for that phone also modified to use the SD card for internal storage to overcome the Desires lack of internal storage. Again this is a BUG, possibly a memory leak somewhere?
I really do not expect these sort of serious, normal use affecting BUGS on a stock rom from HTC.
I have received the OTA update 1.35.161.2 but note that it isn’t quite the latest version released by HTC but I suppose it’s the Voda version, but this hasnt solved these problems.
I really hope HTC sort the software problems out ASAP, as there really is a lot to like about the Sensation, the screen looks fantastic with text/pictures and videos and the speed of the phone is very impressive and the new sense is very good software if these bugs are sorted.
But if my replacement Sensation has the same signal performance as this one, I am afraid it will be back to the slow, small screened desire for me as at least I can use it properly and generally reliably as a phone!!!!
Rant over!!!
Honestly... I have not had a single problem with my Sensation. If I were you, I would exhange it for a new one. Probably a defective unit. Go to a different store when you exchange it.
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Honestly... I have not had a single problem with my Sensation. If I were you, I would exhange it for a new one. Probably a defective unit. Go to a different store when you exchange it.
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Same here..this phone is phenomenal
Ok, thanks for replys, hoping that replacment unit has at least better signal performance.
So you guys dont ever get problems with colour bars running though widgets or sense rebooting? Lots of people have posted about these problems with no answers so far. Do you have many Widgets on your home screen? I have seen a few people who posted that they eventually ended up removing the widgets. I supose if you dont have any/very few widgets the problem will not/may not occur, but for me the widgets are one of the great things about Andriod and Sense and makes them better than an iphone running iOS!
That's a bummer! Just exchange it...I've had no issues with mine!
I have EXACTLY the same software issues with my Sensation on T-Mobile USA. My reception is fine, I haven't had any problems there, but the colored lines on non HTC widgets and sense reloading after installing, uninstalling, moving to SD card or after playing a game/surfing for a long period definitely happens. This is my second replacement and it was better the first few days and now is doing the same thing that was happening before. Some days Sense doesn't reload much, maybe once. Other days, like yesterday, it reloads close to 10 times. I'm hoping HTC fixes it with the update that is supposed to come in August, in the mean time I installed LauncherPro Plus. It isn't having any of the problems the HTC launcher did. I miss the Sense home screen a lot, but not having a few HTC widgets is a small price to pay for the phone working correctly.
ru using Advanced task killer/manager or any other battery saving applications like Dr.battery or any other things like memory boost,ram booster if so please remove it.. even i had the same color bar problem in the widgets i had removed the above applications now its all fine no problem at all...
it might be another problem than just them apps. I've had both of the apps you've mentioned and never once had the application problems that the op mentioned.
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I have just upgraded from an unbranded Desire I used on Voda UK to a Voda UK Sensation and I am very disappointed.
The Sensation has the potential to be a fantastic phone, but for a few really annoying faults.
1) The Phone network reception is terrible. In my house I have a very good 2g Voda reception and quite good 3g reception (One of the reasons I went with Voda years ago) I have NEVER had a problem with any other phone on Voda in my house before until now. The sensation will one minute show 3-4 bars of 2g signal, if I then pick it up and start using it, browsing the web etc, the phone will often go to no service. When I am talking on the phone in my house the person at the other end constantly complains that I am cutting out.
I have read about the alleged “grip of death” problems the sensation has if you hold the phone at the top with the Wi-Fi signal dropping and mine does that as well. I think the GSM/3G aerial is at the bottom of the case which is exactly where most people hold their phone normally and holding it defiantly affects the mobile signal as well as Wi-Fi a LOT more then I have experienced with any other phone to the point of it losing the signal in a strong area.
I am getting a replacement from Voda next week as I am still within the 7 days. I really hope this one is better with regard to GSM/3G signal.
2) I am getting the well documented problem with the Widgets (even the HTC power widget) intermittently getting coloured lines through it. It may be fine for a day then one starts and then they all start ending up in the widgets becoming unread able. To clear the problem you either have to remove the widget and then re place it on the home screen or change the scene and then back again or reboot the phone (rebooting does not always work, seems to be pot luck). I have read that HTC say that this is to do with 3rd party software not being written for QHD resolution!! Well HTC as the Sensation is, as far as I am aware, the first phone to have a QHD screen, how many f**king apps do they think will be written for QHD screens?? This is not the case anyway as sometimes they display fine for a day or so and sometimes their own power widget suffers!! Come on HTC, it is your responsibility to make sure at least 3rd party software written for earlier resolutions display without corruption, I can understand when apps display small and don’t take up the whole screen but this is a BUG.
3) I am also getting another commonly reported problem. Sense almost always reboots after installing/removing/moving an app and sometimes after exiting an app. I have read that people have put this down to the new sense being quite memory hungry and the device can shut Sense down sometimes if memory runs low??? WHAT ??? This version of sense was written by HTC for THIS PHONE!!! How can this phone not have enough RAM memory to deal with it??? I experimented with custom ported versions of this sense on my rooted Desire and sense would very, very rarely reboot, but I accepted those very few occasional sense reboots as they were custom roms with ported software not designed for that phone also modified to use the SD card for internal storage to overcome the Desires lack of internal storage. Again this is a BUG, possibly a memory leak somewhere?
I really do not expect these sort of serious, normal use affecting BUGS on a stock rom from HTC.
I have received the OTA update 1.35.161.2 but note that it isn’t quite the latest version released by HTC but I suppose it’s the Voda version, but this hasnt solved these problems.
I really hope HTC sort the software problems out ASAP, as there really is a lot to like about the Sensation, the screen looks fantastic with text/pictures and videos and the speed of the phone is very impressive and the new sense is very good software if these bugs are sorted.
But if my replacement Sensation has the same signal performance as this one, I am afraid it will be back to the slow, small screened desire for me as at least I can use it properly and generally reliably as a phone!!!!
Rant over!!!
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I'd owned a few android phones (7) including LG P 990, according to my exp they couldn't beat sensation even it was temp root and stock ROM. But it is really hot (battery)
I've tried most ROMs that are out for the MT4g, and I can say there is a massive variety. I really love the ability to fly between ROMs like this, but there is one glaring fact that I can't get by: they each have very evident weaknesses.
Yesterday, I flashed MIUI for the second time. The first time didn't last long - I quickly reverted to whatever I was using before, probably CM7 or VU. This time, however, I immediately became enamored by its quickness. Responsiveness I had only found on iDevices previously was very evident - and after installing launcherpro, I had the smoothest and most enjoyable surface-level device you could ask for. Polish was very evident in many parts (The two-pixel tall battery meter that would be above the notification bar was quickly a hit with me.) However, I quickly learned that it was not entirely translated from Chinese - the search button from the homescreen would produce only Chinese results. The registration for MIUI's built-in services was built around Chinese websites. On top of these evident, but manageable, issues, I noticed that music would randomly skip, sometimes multiple songs at a time. This issue kept reappearing in third-party music apps. Also, netflix was plain awful. A notification would lag the video and make the audio be out of sync. And that was only when the video actually worked. I ended up switching ROMs this morning when I accidentally turned screen brightness down to the lowest setting which made the screen permanently black, which for some reason has no method to fix. I was not willing to set everything up again.
Of course, before this I had to have a reason to switch from another ROM, right? CM7 has been my go-to for an acceptable Android experience. It works, but has a good number of rough edges, and isn't the smoothest experience ever. It does, however have many aspects that are universally compatible with almost every other Android device on the market running the same ROM, like the theme manager. Updates come almost every day if you are willing to flash a ROM every once in a while. Under the right circumstances, it is pretty speedy. My dealbreaker with it is poor radio performance. I don't know how MIUI would fit in with radio performance, as I was only on it for a day. Sense ROMs seem to have exemplary radio performance. CM7 randomly drops Wifi and is on edge where sense roms would have one or two bars of HSPA+. In addition, it takes longer for CM7 to actually connect to data services when you want to connect to a webpage or something.
My second most common ROM is Virtuous Unity. I think it has some cool eye candy, and has awesome data performance. Unfortunately this is as far as it goes for me. Sense is bulky. Really bulky. Looking at the built-in process manager shows a constant use of 4/5 of the RAM. This is not OK. I could quickly notice that the graphics performance for everything other than the launcher and certain built-in apps quickly decreased. The same apps would run smoothly on a ROM like CM7.
I guess my point is that it has been a while in the development for this device. Why hasn't anyone made a ROM that can pull the best aspects of these together?:
-The visuals and ludicrous responsiveness of MIUI
-The low resource consumption and crazy customization like CM7, as well as generally good compatibility with media apps
-The outstanding radio performance of Virtuous unity and other Sense ROMs
Maybe I'm completely in the dark here on why this might not be possible. Let me know if there's some ROM that I haven't tried yet that comprises these features and you may have found me my new daily driver.
I don't really know what to say to help ya out.
Running MIUI was fine for me, I never saw any Chinese and I ran MIUI for 2 months straight back in the summer. And the notifications never lagged apps, it bugged me when i was on Navigation, but I would turn that pop up off.
Sense ROM's were fine for me as well, I never experienced the bad graphics that you're talking about. I always played games and everything was fine. Sense always takes up more RAM but that's never an issue, even with Sense 3.0 ROM's you're still left with 100mb's or so. Even with 4/5 of your RAM taken that's not a problem as unused RAM is wasted RAM anyways.
And as for CM7, it's always my favorite and "go-to" ROM. It's always smooth and buttery for me 24/7 and has never slowed up on me. Wifi never drops on me and I get the same radio reception that I get on Sense ROM's.
Maybe you have certain apps installed or something that's causing you to have these weird problems with CM7 and Sense. As for MIUI, I never saw Chinese lettering so now sure how I can respond on that one.
I'm on Miui and I love it. You can overclock it and even undervolt a little too if you want but even overclocking the battery life is still really good.
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on miui right now and pretty content with myself
never saw chinese either personally, and never really felt like i needed to go to the miui site for any support, this place has been great for any issues i've had
as for the screen blacking thing, this is a known issue and is fixed by sliding the "trackball" to the right to bring the brightness back up or knowing where the brightness button on the settings page is.
and i personally feel GPS locks on faster in miui then it does when i was on tdj's 3.5 port. i unno, it took awhile for gps to lock on that but in miui it locks on so quickly lol
if you are really having that hard of a time getting full functionality out of the ROMs you are installing you are doing it wrong.
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if you are really having that hard of a time getting full functionality out of the ROMs you are installing you are doing it wrong.
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Everything the OP is talking about is opposite of my experience.
My radio works fine. GPS is zippy on the new leak.
I watch netflix at work ... Ive been through 6 documentaries and 28 episodes of Man Men.
MY experience with all the mentioned ROMs have been great.
If you dont do the recommended steps or do additional research Im gonna have to "+1" the comment above.
Sense: loved the flow of functions, hated the animations & batt life
CM7: Loved the reliability and speed, hated the blandness
MIUI: Love the themes, speed and batt life. Hate the contact manager
(I make my UI look sleeker and more sophisticated than an iphone)
People that dont like it because it looks like an iphone or acts like one is because you let act like one or look like one. You gotta understand all the eatures to appreciate it
MIUI.us has been my everyday ROM for over 2 months now. The only concurrent issue with it is with MIUI Music, where it would entirely lock up the phone even when I followed the advice and disabled certain options in the app that "helped" solve the problem.
Other than that, I haven't seen anything else wrong with it up to this day. I use my phone a whole lot, meaning I watch a lot of youtube videos on it, and even HD TV Shows (Go Kamen Rider Fourze!! ) without any problems whatsoever.
Check out the Doubleshot port if you want to swich to something different every now and then. It's pretty good as well, works great!
Give MIUI.us a second chance, just make sure you wipe everything beforehand. Check everything out and you'll be happy enough once you use it for a while longer, you'll see.
Right now I've got the latest BeatMOD BlissSense ROM with Beats Audio and it's an okay ROM, with the same downside as most Sense ROMs, it is a bit slow here and there.
[EDIT] Oh yeah, about the radio reliability, I've got the best radio results with CM7 and AOSP ROMs. Have you tried flashing the Panache Radio ROM to see if it helps?
Well, that's my two cents
For the Chinese search results hit the search button then menu then change the default search engine.
The only other Chinese I saw was in the themes app, but I find it much easier to get themes from English forum sites.