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My first Android phone was the Tmobile (US) G2, so I got used to the plain vanilla OS. When I got my Sensation 4G in June I was immediately put off by Sense, which in my opinion is inferior. To get closer to the stock feel I use Launcher Pro and this certainly helps, but I still see Sense running in the applications list. If I kill the process it momentarily gets removed from the list but is there again when I next check. I have read that this could be because Sense also controls the dialer and contacts, so my question is if I replace those functions with a 3rd party application will Sense be gone for good?
Just let sense run in the background. It's not using cpu cycles so it wont affect performance or battery much usage at all. And unless you're reluctant to flashing new rom, try this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1204912) out. A new version is supposed to release today which is supposed to be off the hook. And its the closest you can get to stock that I know of so far.
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Just let sense run in the background. It's not using cpu cycles so it wont affect performance or battery much usage at all. And unless you're reluctant to flashing new rom, try this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1204912) out. A new version is supposed to release today which is supposed to be off the hook. And its the closest you can get to stock that I know of so far.
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I am not yet at the point where I want to flash a new ROM. So are you sure leaving Sense running isnt going to negatively impact my battery life? I have read other posts stating Sense is a cpu/battery hog.
How can you not like Sense, i'm biased as every android phone i've owned has been an android with HTC Sense so I can't live without it, the Launcher pro looks cheap and too basic, you need Sense to add a bit of flare to your phone!
Mcyates said:
How can you not like Sense, i'm biased as every android phone i've owned has been an android with HTC Sense so I can't live without it, the Launcher pro looks cheap and too basic, you need Sense to add a bit of flare to your phone!
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Just personal preference to be honest. Sense is essentially "eye candy", and I guess I am just more of a utilitarian kind of person.
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Just personal preference to be honest. Sense is essentially "eye candy", and I guess I am just more of a utilitarian kind of person.
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Yes its definitely personal preference. It would take away the shine of having an android phone if you didn't use it. Android is very basic and the "normal" hope screens are boring compared to HTC Sense. Anyway i'm all for sense .
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Just personal preference to be honest. Sense is essentially "eye candy", and I guess I am just more of a utilitarian kind of person.
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From A Pyramid... On Ana Nicole Smith UI (SENSE) NEED CM7!!!
I would like use Miui!
What do you knows about it when can we have it?
Maybe tomorrow
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I am not yet at the point where I want to flash a new ROM. So are you sure leaving Sense running isnt going to negatively impact my battery life? I have read other posts stating Sense is a cpu/battery hog.
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Sense is a cpu/battery hog while its active. On android however, when apps are put into the background, they become inactive.
Now I'm not a developer so I may be wrong. I based this conclusion off this article which leedroid linked to in his rom: http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
In Android, processes and Applications are two different things. An app can stay "running" in the background without any processes eating up your phone's resources. Android keeps the app in its memory so it launches more quickly and returns to its prior state. When your phone runs out of memory, Android will automatically start killing tasks on its own, starting with ones that you haven't used in awhile.
The problem is that Android uses RAM differently than, say, Windows. On Android, having your RAM nearly full is a good thing. It means that when you relaunch an app you've previously opened, the app launches quickly and returns to its previous state. So while Android actually uses RAM efficiently, most users see that their RAM is full and assume that's what's slowing down their phone. In reality, your CPU—which is only used by apps that are actually active—is almost always the bottleneck.
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From A Pyramid... On Ana Nicole Smith UI (SENSE) NEED CM7!!!
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NEED MIUI?
Mcyates said:
How can you not like Sense, i'm biased as every android phone i've owned has been an android with HTC Sense so I can't live without it, the Launcher pro looks cheap and too basic, you need Sense to add a bit of flare to your phone!
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It's slow, it's bloated, takes battery life and has no 'advanced/configurable' features a la CM7 or LauncherPro.
Sense is much much more than the launcher. It's the whole ecosystem on a HTC Android phone. Hopefully when Ice Cream Sandwich hits Google will stop manufacturers putting their own launchers on top of Android, or at least make it an option. I don't mind a few widgets (flip clock) but Sense has gone too far.
Roll on CM7 and MIUI!
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It's slow, it's bloated, takes battery life and has no 'advanced/configurable' features a la CM7 or LauncherPro.
Sense is much much more than the launcher. It's the whole ecosystem on a HTC Android phone. Hopefully when Ice Cream Sandwich hits Google will stop manufacturers putting their own launchers on top of Android, or at least make it an option. I don't mind a few widgets (flip clock) but Sense has gone too far.
Roll on CM7 and MIUI!
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Both is better then other!
What's good in sence?
Use more efficiency?
Use more of battery?
Give you more what do you dont get from apk?
Or simple esay gold drog?
PLEASE explane me.
thx
I like using LauncherPro in place of Sense because you can add all the eye candy you want (even Sense looking eye-candy) without having to include the whole battery wasting, memory hogging, and gigantic Sense Eco-system.
Based on what appears to be confirmation that Sense is a memory/cpu/battery hog, will running an alternate launcher be sufficient to prevent this or do I need to somehow fully disable it?
Just use your launcher pro. Don't worry about sense, she won't bother you anymore.
I have been trying to use launcher pro but the app drawer animation stutter a lot do you have the same issue? ?
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NEED MIUI?
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+1 on that
fr0zenblood75 said:
I have been trying to use launcher pro but the app drawer animation stutter a lot do you have the same issue? ?
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Yeah, I had that problem too. I bought my phone yesterday and was up till dawn messing around with it. Launcher pro seems extremely laggy, so much so that sense was a welcome change. LP worked better on my magic!
Yeah well Launcher Pro is pretty much abandoned by the developer. Hasn't been updated once since at least october last year.
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This is probably a noob question, but I guess i'm just not sure how these things work. Why isn't it possible to fully extract HTC sense 3.0 from an HTC phone, and replace whatever is on a Samsung. I'm assuming that hardware and software are somewhat linked so that maybe one of the answers. But it would be nice to see HTC sense on the beautiful SuperAmoled Plus 4.5" Sammy Screen. I guess my question is why do I have to resort to a theme to make my Infuse look like sense instead actually having it.
ps. I know some of you will tell me to just get an HTC, but I prefer Samsung for many reasons, and i just like a few of the 3D Animations that Sense offers, including the weather.
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This is probably a noob question, but I guess i'm just not sure how these things work. Why isn't it possible to fully extract HTC sense 3.0 from an HTC phone, and replace whatever is on a Samsung. I'm assuming that hardware and software are somewhat linked so that maybe one of the answers. But it would be nice to see HTC sense on the beautiful SuperAmoled Plus 4.5" Sammy Screen. I guess my question is why do I have to resort to a theme to make my Infuse look like sense instead actually having it.
ps. I know some of you will tell me to just get an HTC, but I prefer Samsung for many reasons, and i just like a few of the 3D Animations that Sense offers, including the weather.
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HTC hacked up too much stuff in the low-level frameworks to make this even remotely easy. Even if it were possible it would be buggy as hell.
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HTC hacked up too much stuff in the low-level frameworks to make this even remotely easy. Even if it were possible it would be buggy as hell.
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So what would happen if I tried to flash a Rom made for an HTC, or try to flash an HTC Kernel. Would it just not work, or would it brick my Infuse?
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So what would happen if I tried to flash a Rom made for an HTC, or try to flash an HTC Kernel. Would it just not work, or would it brick my Infuse?
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You wouldn't exactly brick it since you can use the Ultimate Unbrick to restore it to stock but the ROMs wouldn't work and most likely the kernels prolly wouldn't either
it just wouldnt boot up at all. lol.
heres what you CAN do if you want some of that HTC Sense. FAKE the whole thing.
get a launcher that allows you to chnage the dock bar. i believe that "he launcher" has several options to choose from.
then you can go over to the UOT kitchen and load up your framework-res.apks and choose the HTC Sense icons they have there. they look pretty legit. then just flash the, to your phone. then for the widgets, just download some from the market.
the you go. your Faux-Sense is made.
thank you. im rolling out. peace.
Lp sense actually works really nicely and theres agile lock, for the sense 3.0 lock screen but its a bit inconsistent.
any who thanks for answering my questions!
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So what would happen if I tried to flash a Rom made for an HTC, or try to flash an HTC Kernel. Would it just not work, or would it brick my Infuse?
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It would "softbrick" - hardbricking is nearly impossible on our phones.
Hard Bricking is impossible with the unbrickable Mod
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Hard Bricking is impossible with the unbrickable Mod
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Why! This is so old..
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So i've just come from a GS2 to a Sensation XE and i'm adjusting back to the sense way of life(i used to have a Desire).
Unfortunately i'm not adjusting too well is there a way to disable sense totally to use a launcher as i'm not to keen on rooting it just yet.
Darkwun said:
So i've just come from a GS2 to a Sensation XE and i'm adjusting back to the sense way of life(i used to have a Desire).
Unfortunately i'm not adjusting too well is there a way to disable sense totally to use a launcher as i'm not to keen on rooting it just yet.
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Just download which ever launcher you choose then download an app called home switcher. It will allow you to easily enable the launcher app and set it up as your defeault launcher.
Darkwun said:
So i've just come from a GS2 to a Sensation XE and i'm adjusting back to the sense way of life(i used to have a Desire).
Unfortunately i'm not adjusting too well is there a way to disable sense totally to use a launcher as i'm not to keen on rooting it just yet.
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Sense is not just a launcher, so you can't just disable it. You can put a launcher over Sense though.
But I would suggest putting a custom ROM and removing all the annoying parts of Sense, while keeping the good ones. No-sense script from Revolution HD does that quite well
hmm looks like i'm gonna have to read up on rooting then go for it.
Can anyone suggest any stable highly rated ROMs? Between reading up on how to root and custom ROMs available my head is starting to hurt
TIA
You don't like sense so I recommend Cyanogenmod.. It's stable and fast. I use MIUI and love it but there is some parts not fully working yet.
CM is for you if you want 100% of Sense removed. But if you want a bit more "stock" experience, try Revolution HD 4.X with no-sense.
Heck, try both, or more, you'll learn a lot and figure out what you really like. It's actually quite simple once you get the basics
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You don't like sense so I recommend Cyanogenmod.. It's stable and fast. I use MIUI and love it but there is some parts not fully working yet.
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i was reading about the Cyanogenmod and it's looking like the front runner but i'm sure it's only at alpha stage or am i'm looking in the wrong place?
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i was reading about the Cyanogenmod and it's looking like the front runner but i'm sure it's only at alpha stage or am i'm looking in the wrong place?
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I got it on my phone and its very stable!
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I got it on my phone and its very stable!
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Launcher Pro seems to work very fine. i suggest you give it a go
Definitely go with CM7. It's the best ROM available.
I asked this in a rom thread but I think this is a better place for it. What are the benefits to desensing? Is it just a personal preference or does it give other benefits?
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Kindatired said:
I asked this in a rom thread but I think this is a better place for it. What are the benefits to desensing? Is it just a personal preference or does it give other benefits?
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Its all preference. However you may find some of the sense apps more to your liking. Such as the camera, email, and SMS. You can download Cleanrom DE. It is a desensed ROM. Basically and Aosp look with the sense apps.
Several roms have the option to desense I was just curious if there was other benefits such as better battery life or if removing sense which is known to be somewhat of a resource hog would give a better multitasking experience.
I like sense, but wouldn't want to give up a longer battery life for it.
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I get about the same battery life on stock and aokp 1.3
In excited to try viperxl this weekend though
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I am using the viper xl rom right now. It has a few small glitches but it's without a doubt the best xl rom out there right now.
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Kindatired said:
Several roms have the option to desense I was just curious if there was other benefits such as better battery life or if removing sense which is known to be somewhat of a resource hog would give a better multitasking experience.
I like sense, but wouldn't want to give up a longer battery life for it.
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YMMV, but CleanROM 4.5 DE definitely has slightly better performance and battery life than CR4.5 and stock because of the debloating/desensing.
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Kindatired said:
I asked this in a rom thread but I think this is a better place for it. What are the benefits to desensing? Is it just a personal preference or does it give other benefits?
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I believe it is preference. I go through phases where I love sense but I have also gone through phase where I have gotten bored of it. It really depends on what you wish to use.
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Hey guys,
I have an unlocked & rooted One XL on Telstra.
I am using the stock ROM until i have sussed stable custom ROMs.
I however dont like sense, and am using Apex Pro Launcher.
Im finding that unlocking from sleep & even switching between screens and apps it sometimes stutters.
Sense was actually a smoother experience.
Would this be that sense is still underlying in the background?
If so, can it be removed / disabled whilst on stock ROM?
Any tips on getting the UI to operate more smoothly?
Wobzy said:
Would this be that sense is still underlying in the background?
If so, can it be removed / disabled whilst on stock ROM?
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Sense has not gone anywhere... It is still there, you're just using a different launcher. There is an option in Apex to "Keep in memory" in the advanced settings that you could try enabling. You could also try a custom rom like RebelROM, CleanROM, Nocturnal Xi40, or Viper XL, all of which offer a "desensing" option to remove a good chunk of sense while keeping the sweet camera working.
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Sense has not gone anywhere... It is still there, you're just using a different launcher. There is an option in Apex to "Keep in memory" in the advanced settings that you could try enabling. You could also try a custom rom like RebelROM, CleanROM, Nocturnal Xi40, or Viper XL, all of which offer a "desensing" option to remove a good chunk of sense while keeping the sweet camera working.
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Understood. I know sense is still there. Being new to android im still trying to understand the relationships behind these things.
IE; sense is still running / slowing **** down despite not using it as my launcher?
Are there any good tutorials on sense, what it is, what it does?
Ive searched the forums but cant find anything.
As an android newbie im taking my mates advice and not messing about with any ROMs until i have a better understanding.
Until then i guess i just wanna 'desense' as much as i can on the stock rom.
Wobzy said:
Understood. I know sense is still there. Being new to android im still trying to understand the relationships behind these things.
IE; sense is still running / slowing **** down despite not using it as my launcher?
Are there any good tutorials on sense, what it is, what it does?
Ive searched the forums but cant find anything.
As an android newbie im taking my mates advice and not messing about with any ROMs until i have a better understanding.
Until then i guess i just wanna 'desense' as much as i can on the stock rom.
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Sense is more than just the launcher. Its also apps (like camera, Locations, Watch, Stocks, Weather, Music player), widgets, keyboard, and overall theming done by HTC. Plus the Sense framework is embedded in the ROM itself, so that is why Sense components (like the camera) can't be ported to AOSP ROMs. So that is what is meant by "Sense is still there" if you just replace certain components, or use a different launcher.
By replacing the launcher, you won't have the Sense launcher taking up memory (3rd party launchers are often smaller footprint). But really, this phone is powerful enough memory and CPU wise, that the difference in just replacing the launcher is negligible. On older phones (like my old Desire Z) it made a big difference. And the battery drain by Sense is also going to be negligible compared to things that suck up much more power, such as screen on time, downloading/streaming data, etc. So on this phone, its largely about personal preference.
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Hey guys,
I have an unlocked & rooted One XL on Telstra.
I am using the stock ROM until i have sussed stable custom ROMs.
I however dont like sense, and am using Apex Pro Launcher.
Im finding that unlocking from sleep & even switching between screens and apps it sometimes stutters.
Sense was actually a smoother experience.
Would this be that sense is still underlying in the background?
If so, can it be removed / disabled whilst on stock ROM?
Any tips on getting the UI to operate more smoothly?
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Hey mate I'm on Telstra too. I'm using the ViperXL rom and it's really good! You can have it with or without Sense.
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But really, this phone is powerful enough memory and CPU wise, that the difference in just replacing the launcher is negligible. On older phones (like my old Desire Z) it made a big difference. And the battery drain by Sense is also going to be negligible compared to things that suck up much more power, such as screen on time, downloading/streaming data, etc. So on this phone, its largely about personal preference.
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Cheers for that. Understood.
Also, i had a problem in my first month with data.
So i downloaded My Data Manager.
OS services uses more than 50% of my data. Approx 1mb per hour.
I googled it, i got a lot of different responses.
What is OS services and why is it chewing my data, what do i need to turn off?
Also as i was looking online for answers, WhatsApp had jumped from less than 1mb, to 11.1mb in less than 5 minutes.
I havent used WhatsApp in days. Its not possible to change permissions through the app but i have read that i can download an app to manually change specific app permissions?
Timmaa thanks for the heads up on viper, i came across is before but had asked a friend more knowledgable than myself and he said id be better off to wait for CM?
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Timmaa thanks for the heads up on viper, i came across is before but had asked a friend more knowledgable than myself and he said id be better off to wait for CM?
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I used to use CM, but I find viper to be excellent. Actually, it's amazing. It's stable and has an arsenal of tweaks. The best one out there IMHO. But that's just my opinion, and your mate has one too. Unfortunately all you'll find on here is opinions, the best way to know is to flash it for yourself and see what you think as everyone has different needs etc when it comes to what they want from a ROM.
Oh but by the way, ViperXL has Sense 4.1 which is so much faster than the 4.0 on stock ROM. Supposedly uses less battery too. And the updated camera4.5 takes much better photos, they're superb!
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As for the data I'm not sure, I've been using a data tracker and found some weird results too. Apparent my dialer has been using a lot of data, which I just don't understand.
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As for the data I'm not sure, I've been using a data tracker and found some weird results too. Apparent my dialer has been using a lot of data, which I just don't understand.
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LOL :laugh: too good.
Yeah WhatsApp jumped up another 22MB out of nowhere, the app isnt even running.
Stopping the application does nothing.
I've had a look at Viper i think after i back up im gonna give it a go.
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LOL :laugh: too good.
Yeah WhatsApp jumped up another 22MB out of nowhere, the app isnt even running.
Stopping the application does nothing.
I've had a look at Viper i think after i back up im gonna give it a go.
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Nice work, you won't be disappointed mate. I also just got Google Now working, it's pretty good!
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Does anyone know if there is any way to completely remove blinkfeed from android 4.4.3 with s-off ?
I never use it and have it removed from my screens but blinkfeed if still using my computer resources and my battery power. I have tried freezing the htc blinkfeed app using rom toolbox lite and it will but everytime I do I can hit my home page button and it no longer works until I unfreeze the htc blinkfeed app.
I imagine there has to be a way of getting rid of blinkfeed completely instead of it draining my battery for nothing. I mean to me it totally useless and it would be nice if I could get rid of it as its just a parasite on my battery power.
Anyone have any idea on how to go about this ?
Right now I"am on viperone 2.5 with s-0ff and twrp 2.8.0.1 recovery.
Well, I can tell you part of your problem MIGHT (as in, I'm just a user) be that Blinkfeed is tied into the lock screen. If you go into \system\priv_app and rename HtcLockScreen.apk to anything else (just add .bak to it so you can reverse this if you want) and reboot, bam, AOSP lock screen. That's in Sense, in CleanROM as well as... I forget what the person who told me was running. Bones, Coin, Viper, I really don't know. Anyway, that's one less thing linking to Blinkfeed. Problem with that is, you lose the wake gestures. I reckon they're tied to the lock screen.
I am guessing Blinkfeed is pretty tied up in the Sense framework and your answer is basically no... but running Nova Prime I never see it. I use the swipe up gesture to bypass the lock screen, so I rarely see that (I enabled it back, I like my gestures). But even with Sense, I charge nightly (well daily, I'm a day sleeper) and I'm at 20-60% when I go to bed and charge. If I wanted to improve that, I wouldn't fight Blinkfeed in Sense, I'd run GPE (BRE or Sinless, they're both themed, there's really no pure GPE for us) or AOSP (LiquidSmooth is my favorite, but Cyanogen is leaner), but I ran LS for a week and got roughly the same battery life. There is room for improvement, but I'm guessing a lot of it involves kernel tuning.
The fact that Blinkfeed keeps using your battery and your home button quits working after you freeze it are both due to the same reason. Blinkfeed is the stock launcher. Only way to completely get rid of it is to install another launcher and then either freeze or uninstall Blinkered.
If you do install another one you might just want to freeze it for a while. Any launcher you use is going to use your battery (obviously). It might be the new launcher you install will use more than Blinkfeed. You'll have to be the judge of that.
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The fact that Blinkfeed keeps using your battery and your home button quits working after you freeze it are both due to the same reason. Blinkfeed is the stock launcher. Only way to completely get rid of it is to install another launcher and then either freeze or uninstall Blinkered.
If you do install another one you might just want to freeze it for a while. Any launcher you use is going to use your battery (obviously). It might be the new launcher you install will use more than Blinkfeed. You'll have to be the judge of that.
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Any recommendations on what launcher would be a good choice to replace it ? I have never done anything like that before, it might be worth a try worst case scenario is I have to dirty flash viperone 2.5 or I restore a back up after creating a new one before trying.
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Any recommendations on what launcher would be a good choice to replace it ? I have never done anything like that before, it might be worth a try worst case scenario is I have to dirty flash viperone 2.5 or I restore a back up after creating a new one before trying.
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When I run ROMs other than Sense, I personally run APEX launcher, that is a good one, there is also Nova that people rave about.
you should find all the answers you need here: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=best+android+3rd+party+launchers
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When I run ROMs other than Sense, I personally run APEX launcher, that is a good one, there is also Nova that people rave about.
you should find all the answers you need here: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=best+android+3rd+party+launchers
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Thanks will check in to them, appreciate your help !!!!
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Thanks will check in to them, appreciate your help !!!!
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More than glad to help, friend.
PM me if you really need, although I see the posts when you quote me so I can respond here faster.
Also helps others who see the question, they may have the same one and now they have the answer.