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Hi guys,
My sister has two young sons intent on having Father Christmas bring them their first cellphones this year, and have been dropping hints like napalm about the Play being sooooo good for gaming on the move and currently sooo cheap. It looks like she will bow to their wishes against her better judgement. Her main concern is net security and limiting the access that they have to adult content and potential abuse etc on the handset. Can anyone recommend a good app that can limit the type of content a child can access on this handset?
All suggestions welcome and appreciated
I know of nothing like that per-say. But some launchers and apps give you the ability to hide applications. Your friend could just hide the default browser, giving her children no access to the internet.
I wouldn't give them that phone period if as you say it's against the mother's intentions. Children can do with a cheaper phone, and with none at all.
You can hide the internet browser (and any other app like, say, Settings) quickly and easily with Launcher Pro. The Market now allows you to protect purchases with a password... And there are apps which allow you to password-protect any app before running.
That said, shielding children from the interwebs is not exactly a great idea in the long run.
How old are the kids? I recommend them to be atleast 13/12 so they won't lose it..
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Logseman said:
I wouldn't give them that phone period if as you say it's against the mother's intentions. Children can do with a cheaper phone, and with none at all.
You can hide the internet browser (and any other app like, say, Settings) quickly and easily with Launcher Pro. The Market now allows you to protect purchases with a password... And there are apps which allow you to password-protect any app before running.
That said, shielding children from the interwebs is not exactly a great idea in the long run.
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I agree that it is at best a bad idea giving young kids a smartphone of that specification, but there's nothing I can do about that now. And yes, shielding kids from the net would be a little unfair as that is one function this thing performs well that they cannot use on, say a Nintendo DSi. These two kids, young as they are, are pretty tech savvy and love to browse the web.
They have a netbook which they share and it has a net nanny on board which has been effective thus far.
My main concern is limiting the amount of access they can have through their web browser on the phone, and keeping their information private and safe. A similar package that might be available from the Android Market? I've looked around the Market myself (X10i's rock, by the way!! ), but haven't seen anything that really serves this purpose. I thought maybe one of you might have been in a similar situation?
With the recent price drop in the Xperia Play (now well under 200 euro in Ireland on top up now), this is going to be a very popular first phone for kids this Christmas and I'm sure there are many other parents who would share the same concerns
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How old are the kids? I recommend them to be atleast 13/12 so they won't lose it..
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They are both a little too young in my opinion ( one is twelve and the other fast approaching eleven) to own one of these, but that's really not my decision to make. I'm just their uncle, not their Dad, so I have little or no say. I advised my sister against making this purchase but it fell on deaf ears. So now my priority is about damage limitation and to kid proof their phones instead.
And, honestly, if one, or both of them lose their phones, then I will sleep a lot more soundly! It's a simple enough job to wipe a smartphone remotely so lost data shouldn't be an issue. It would however show they are not yet old nor responsible enough to own a phone and they would have to wait quite a while before getting another! These things don't grow on trees!
The Xperia play is not the hardiest of phones, So you may want to buy a case and put on screen protectors.
Hey man check with the service provider. Most carriers make you get the data package with android phones now, maybe they have a family setting on their end. Personally I blocked the inappropriate stuff from my nieces via our router, but seeing as 3g/4g traffic isn't routed on our end, maybe your service provider may have a setting for it on their end.
DroidWall
But to use it you need to be root and the child could disable it. The best way would be to give them a SIM that doesn't have data access enabled...
But then there is wifi.
How old are the kids ? If they are less than 10, I wouldn't give them a phone at all. If they are more than 10, chances are they have already watched porn and violent scenes so I can't see much of an issue with giving them access to the internet.
I know T-Mobile have an internet security setting... check with the provider
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They are both a little too young in my opinion ( one is twelve and the other fast approaching eleven) to own one of these, but that's really not my decision to make. I'm just their uncle, not their Dad, so I have little or no say. I advised my sister against making this purchase but it fell on deaf ears. So now my priority is about damage limitation and to kid proof their phones instead.
And, honestly, if one, or both of them lose their phones, then I will sleep a lot more soundly! It's a simple enough job to wipe a smartphone remotely so lost data shouldn't be an issue. It would however show they are not yet old nor responsible enough to own a phone and they would have to wait quite a while before getting another! These things don't grow on trees!
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All networks have a 18+ policy on there networks. Now the only devices or Sims that come with the 18+ lock off is contract phones or Sims as you have to be 18+ to buy one. But on payg phones and Sims the parental lock is automatically and the only way to switch it off is to call the network provider and prove your age by credit card. Debit don't work only credit. But hate to say it. The kids would always be able to find porn by just going onto google images. Unless you turn it on to strict filtering. Now for the data protection and remote lock and wipe I use an app called NetQin. Now it costs £1.50 pm and is done through a text directly from the app. It provides virus scanner, call safety (stops people listening to your calls) web protection (hides your important information while surfing) GPS tracker from there site, remote lock and wipe, and many more. Also the main thing I like. Is if someone else puts there sim in it. It sends a msg to a designated number with the thiefs mobile number, and a msg you setup. I suggest setting it up to say the imei number.
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All networks have a 18+ policy on there networks. Now the only devices or Sims that come with the 18+ lock off is contract phones or Sims as you have to be 18+ to buy one. But on payg phones and Sims the parental lock is automatically and the only way to switch it off is to call the network provider and prove your age by credit card. Debit don't work only credit. But hate to say it. The kids would always be able to find porn by just going onto google images. Unless you turn it on to strict filtering. Now for the data protection and remote lock and wipe I use an app called NetQin. Now it costs £1.50 pm and is done through a text directly from the app. It provides virus scanner, call safety (stops people listening to your calls) web protection (hides your important information while surfing) GPS tracker from there site, remote lock and wipe, and many more. Also the main thing I like. Is if someone else puts there sim in it. It sends a msg to a designated number with the thiefs mobile number, and a msg you setup. I suggest setting it up to say the imei number.
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18+ locks are useless imo. There will always be apps that get around it like opera mini. That connects to.the internet using a VPN. Rendering all 18+ locks useless
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Many carriers have porn blocks however if you use opera mini it bypasses it since they are 11/12 they probably already seen it I no i have by then I'm 18 now. There is a app called porn blocker on the market and net nanny hope this helps
Also you should post this in android general not a specific phone since most things for 1 things work on others
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https://market.android.com/details?id=com.cloudacl&hl=en
or
http://bit.ly/tyDFXZ
On some routers, and you can block websites with keywords that you input from loading.
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18+ locks are useless imo. There will always be apps that get around it like opera mini. That connects to.the internet using a VPN. Rendering all 18+ locks useless
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Yes I know that. That is why I said that they will more than likely still be able to find porn. But it all depends what these kids are like. If there little brats (no offence to op) then I would worry about it but if they are well behaved kids and brought up well and taught its naughty and they are doing well at school then I wouldn't worry so much. Most kids aren't interested these days. They mainly want it for games. Also if they want to use the internet then I would just block the web on the phone and just only let them use it when at home. Put a password in market and browser and when at home you type the password in so they can use it indoors on the set up WiFi that stops them from searching or going on adult sites. So when they are out they can only call and play on games. No web. No browser. No market. That is probably your safest option.
Edit: just went on the market there is a browser called safe browser the porn blocker. It blocks adult content and the kids can't change the settings as they need a password so block the market with a password when they go out and then they can't download amother browser. Hope this helps.
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Blackwatch
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How old are the kids?
When my kids 3 & 6 borrows my phone for gameplaying I always turn off data traffic.
If they are older, root their phones, edit host file and ban all www and .com adresses.
That wont stop them forever but before they figure out how to fix it, they are probably old enough to find pr0n on other ways...
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He did say in a follow up post how old they were
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Thanks for your input guys. Plenty to consider there.
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Her main concern is net security and limiting the access that they have to adult content and potential abuse etc on the handset.
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Just send the two kids to China, then they wont be able to access adult contents any more.
**** 'Great Fire Wall'.
i've been told this BEFORE so i will REPEAT it no swearing young people read this forum. and most likely you are younger than 18 aswell. i am 18 so i dont care but some people may be offended
I just need to vent. I'm a fairly active developer for the android platform. I've created a number of kernel patches and applications that I have released at no charge to the community for about 10 or so devices.
All this I do in my "spare time", which I have very little of because I am a full time professional student who takes on 32 credit hour semesters.
Recently, since my 1994 geo prizm is literally falling apart and I was hoping to scrounge together a little bit of money to get a new car so I don't end up stranded on my way to class, I decided to release a paid application. Fastcharge / Force AC toggle which allows you to toggle on and off the force AC feature. A feature which I have personally implemented and released source patches for on a number of devices.
Not only in every thread where I released the patch on a device did I write up how to toggle the feature through the command line, but I also stated that I also implemented a toggle into my completely free application that you can also download from the market, IncrediControl.
In good faith and knowing how annoying licensing is, I elected to not include licensing in my application. This is a huge regret.
Within a couple days of releasing the application to the market I googled it to see if anyone was talking about it. One of the first links was to a piracy site where a user was requesting the widget, to which another user obliged and posted the apk to a filesharing site. Doing something I never though I would have to do, I filed a DMCA takedown request, which was answered quickly and the app was taken down. Monitoring the thread, every single time a link gets taken down, another user requests the app and the original user reuploads it, most recently to 11 different sites.
So now, after filing dozens of takedown requests. This user has decided to unzip my apk, change out the artwork, and now is going around releasing it as his own work.
Really, all this to avoid paying $1.50 (only ~$1 of it actually going to me) to an individual whose yearly income is low enough that he doesn't have to file taxes?
This disgusts me.
This is even worse than the 50% "order cancellation rate" that the widget has. I'm not stupid, I know exactly what users are doing, but yet initially I was willing to ignore it. But this has gone too far.
What is even the point of pissing off a developer so much that he is considering saying screw the platform all together? It doesn't even make sense. We, the developers improve your devices, generally at little or no cost, and this is how we're repaid. With ~50% of current users of the application having pirated it. To avoid paying just over $1.
Now before someone even counters with the "my area doesn't support paid applications" argument I've actually gladly GIVEN the widget away to a number of users who casually mentioned in the release threads that they couldn't download it for this reason. Not to mention, everyone knows there are apps that unlock the market in these areas to be able to purchase apps.
How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .
Of course, this must suck for a developer like you. Unfortunately, it seems to happen more and more often, and all I can really say is:
I would gladly pay a few bucks for an application like IC or BootManager. That BootManager seemed really interesting, but we can't buy apps from the Play Store without CC (and as a 16-year old, I don't have one). I asked the developer if he accepted Paypal, but he didn't.
Don't get me wrong, and this is not an attack to you personally: developers, if you made something really nice, and people will like it, 70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.
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70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.
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I honestly thought this was the case. It's really not. The problem is much worse than that. If 70% of users in the root community paid for apps it would be astonishing. Its made pretty clear by the number of users who download the app, back it up and then cancel the order.
If a 16 year old kid had made me that offer, the e-mail reply I sent would have the apk attached.
Well, that is a real flaw of Android: tweakability is really impressing, but these things make it really difficult to earn some money as a developer.
We have been thinking about anti-piracy measures as well, with stuff such as authentication with a server, and locking down the code and verifying integrity of APKs and stuff to make sure it's really hard to mess with the code, but it's just sad that there's a need for these measures..
The trouble is everything has piracy right from movies to game consoles through to mobiles and music.
I mean the iPhones appstore would be a hell of a lot bigger if there was no jailbreaking and installous.
Every platform has been cracked so you'll get it regardless of what you develop for.
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I think you know you just needed to vent but can I change your picture.
There are some people in this world who just don't buy the idea of an idea as property. That's not compatible with this business model. That's the first problem.
The next problem is that
there's a million and one apps out there and which one are we going to choose? Where does it start, where does it end? We all have our limits. What's yours?
For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
The very community that allowed us to create the app fails to pay for it's products is like life itself.
I'd say make something for the iphone instead because there's more profit there but that would never have been possible, see what I'm saying? That's the 3rd problem.
So you've got 3 problems there all converging into one big push towards piracy. But remember, can your app assure security that the pirated version cannot for example? This is how one has to think.
In short,
you can't do something and hope to make a bit from it on the side. You got to go out from the start and get the money aspect central from the start. I mean, that's business and of course that's exactly what the android community works hard to free us from.
Still, summarising those 3 points for suggestion:
- offer something free things can't (i.e. security, brand etc) For example, I never run pirated stuff for fear of insecurity on my data whereas I'll try out software that way on an old PC
- can always put a service in the cloud aka the javascript trap
- iphone is there if you want...
- needs to "the one app" a certain person would pay for, not something everyone likes
Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow
I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.
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For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
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The feature is 100% unique and so is the widget. Not to mention, if you didn't want to pay the $1, I provided a free way to toggle the feature in the utility app. The point is, that there is nothing forcing people to pay for the widget to use the feature. But instead of using the free option provided, they not only pirate the paid app, but edit the artwork and release it for free as their own. It defies logic.
Also, ad based apps don't work with the rooted community. I learned that early on. Myfree utility app is ad supported. With over 40,000 installs you would think it would make even a dollar a day. Nope, makes nearly nothing. That's when I realized that the same niche I was marketing to are the same people who block ads. Even if someone didn't want to block ads, they can't install a single ROM that doesn't include an ad blocking hosts file out of the box.
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[...] How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .
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Be sure you're looking at all sides. Yes, you're in a losing war with guys intent on pirating your app. You can't stop them, and well, you goofed on the licensing, so someone will no doubt release the clone.
First of all, don't do the Big Media thing and assume that everybody that pirates your app would have paid for it if it hadn't been available. A lot of folks collect, or just try something once. You'll only work yourself into a funk thinking about all that money you "would" have if only they hadn't been able to pirate it. They wouldn't have. At least not all of them.
More importantly, be aware that placing something out there with value does reach folks that otherwise would have no idea of you or your plight. More than once, I've purchased an app that I don't really need, but found clever and cheap enough I can buy it without thinking about the investment. I've spent more on Android software at $1-15 over the last year than I did over the last 25+ at $30-100 a pop. I've only refunded an app once, by accident.
Finally, be up front about your situation. A guy trying to make do does influence my impulse buying. So does his reputation. If you're doing a lot, be sure that's clear on your app page, and let us know clearly you're the guy that also brought us whatever.
I am curious, though: How much did you actually bring in?
Chad- thanks for telling your story, I agree that you have every right to be disappointed. Especially the buying and refunding, that to me send almost worse because you can't stop dedicated pirating, but I would have hoped the rest would have bought the app.
It's easy to forget the human side of development, so thanks for sharing your side.
Jesus christ Chad. This is f$%&*#@ ridiculous. Probably the best and most generous kernel dev I have ever come into contact with, and people are cheating you out of 1.50. Please don't abandon Android. I need kernels when I get my rezound! but in all seriousness, warez needs to stop.
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Yep. Sucks. After getting serious about android , which wasn't too far in, joining with a nexus one and seeing all the free HARD work we get, I definitely try buying stuff I use. If I can't pay sometimes I will see if dev does something else I can donate to. Its an issue I've thought about and part of it really boils down to how sorry people are in general. They want free and cheap. $1 is laughable even when it can be easily had for free. You really should market yourself a bit even though you don't want to. And people should really put a complimentary $5 or so budget a month or more and try to support devs. Maybe if you have something he gave free but has an app you won't use for a buck, buy the dollar app and uninstall after the 15 minute period. Or throw him a 5 through PayPal or something. Its simple really. If these devs don't have to resort to ramen and water they keep dev'ing especially for the community supporting him or her. And if they're eating vegetables and have plenty of red bull money it gives them wings. Otoh, the devs that make us pay to reinstall an app after we bought it on another or lost our phone suck. Balls. Won't buys theirs anymore.
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Maybe you should implement a system like some developers do where you download the app for free with a time limited trail, then they would go to another website to pay for the app to unlock it, and the unlock codes would be unique for every user which would minimize piracy.
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I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.
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In the Netherlands we have prepaid Visa card.
Works well.
Maybe you google something similar in your own country.
(3V prepaid Visa cards)
That does suck but if someone wants to pirate an app even licencing doesn't stop them as there is an app that apparently patches licence checks.
It is so easy for even a non root and new user to find cracked apps, I have seen links on here and even on peoples facebook sites, it's got to the point where people can just browse a webpage and click a link to get the cracked version of an app.
Unfortunately if someone wants to crack it they can. Unless you could implement your own security check somehow, something obfuscated in the code, licencing is the only alternative as it would stop people using backed up cancelled versions at least.
Unfortunately it seems a lot of people just don't want to pay for apps.
Dave
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also have to look at both sides. some people just refuse to pay for **** whatever it is, or get it as cheaply as they can. being android apps, the free route is how they're going to go. but the other side, you hsould be grateful for all the people that do pay. they're the ones helping keeping google, open source, android and everything in between chugging along. open source is the future and you can tell every corporation i said that. and thanks for you your work even though i've never used it.
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Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow
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There is plenty to disagree with in your post as it all seems like an attempt at rationalizing ways to get around the system. This last statement is a ridiculous attempt at summarizing why stealing is OK. Your morals don't define the crime, the law does. Stealing property, physical or intellectual, is not legal and not right regardless of your morals or lack of.
Chad,
I am sorry to hear of your products' abuse. I used your kernels all the time on my Incredible devices and bought IncrediControl to support development. I have purchased many applications just to support development and believe that is the way to get high quality applications.
Piracy is just so damn easy on Android. I know ppl that are doing it who I wouldn't even expect to be doing such a thing. This guy I know love android only because he can get everything free by just googling the apk.
awww thats sad i feel really bad for you!
I've used pre paid visa debit cards to buy apps. You can find them in Any money shop like Cheque cashing places for example. You can even just stick a dicky diver (£5) on them. Perfect for situations like this
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Over the past week I've seen people on here and people on other sites say that Go Launcher has malicious code in it and that it steals your data to sell. Me and my mum have both been using it for about a year now. Why would Google let it stay in the market and how could it be one of the most popular launchers if it's malicous?
Is there really something wrong with it?
No, it just started embracing ads since it's free :\
Mostly go contacts
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No..
But they added ads which might be dangerous for your phone.
I haven't noticed any ads.... Where exactly have they placed them?
What about this AppCenter and GameZone they added?!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's specific third-party themes that are including ads, not Go Launcher itself.
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What about this AppCenter and GameZone they added?!
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Oh.... That.... I Kinda just hid them the moment I saw them.... Never gave me much of a problem.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's specific third-party themes that are including ads, not Go Launcher itself.
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That would make more sense.
What is it with everyone hating on ads! I mean seriously! If you hate ads or think they are dangerous which they are not, then be willing purchase an app...which 99% of you will not obviously...that's why ads exist. Whats the difference between an ad on a website and an app? Nothing. Both come from the same place.
Oh no an ad! How dare they try to earn from a free app!
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So...what's Ad Free app for?
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Try using adblock/adaway.
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Try using adblock/adaway.
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^^ They Have ADS TOO!!
jp idk if they do or not but it seems funny.
Just be thankful you have little square ads you can ignore and not 30 sec videos with no skip button after 5 secs like youtube and draw w/friends.
Those things have a way to really get me mad.
Ads are ok. Im happy that push ads are going to be extinct though. Banner ads don't really bother me.
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I stopped using Go Launcher because it was running services for apps/Go Plugins I didn't install. That was the final straw, really. I found that it became really bloated and overly complex. The Go Launcher team are introducing too many functions IMHO and not focusing on what they do best: making an excellent, flexible launcher. I do miss it in some ways. You won't find as much flexibility for free...
These kinda threads always make me laugh. If you want privacy, lock yourself in your house and never go outside, never go online, never use your phone, send a "trusted" person to buy your groceries.
What are they gonna do? Sneak in, steal the hot pics your gf sent you on whatsapp? Attempt a home invasion and rob you of your playboys? Or heaven forbid, forward the hot pics your mistress sent to your mom and your wife/gf.
So what if they serve ads? Dont like it, use another app. These developers need to earn a living too, they use a model that provides you with FREE software for your phone, to use at your discretion. Go Launcher is by far the best launcher out there, it kicks the pants off anything that comes at a price too. If you dont like ads, dont use themes which push ads. Its that simple. Or use an app like adfree
Threads like this hurt the OSS/FS community. The privacy issue is actually pretty moot since most users sign up for forums and trial software and gladly hand over personal information. If you silly enough to keep your bank account details on your phone (which you going to hand out via using your credit/debit card at your local convience store anyway, where for all you know al queida has planted sleeper agents) then you deserve to have your wife see what you and your mistress get up to
Go launcher is the best launcher, if there are ads, please support the developer. Tell me one thing that you could do with any other launcher that you cant with go. This ad method is least intrusive, must be encouraged as means for developers to permit core functionalities free
The ads are from themes not from go launcher..
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The ads are from themes not from go launcher..
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Yeah, exactly, the crappy notification spam comes from themes via AirPush. Nice to see some antimalware apps start detecting this crap. I have nothing against banners, spamming notification bar is completely different though. On the Go apps note, Go Keyboard free has exactly this kind of annoying spam.
I read this just now and gave it a good thought!!
Google Removes All Ad Blocking Apps From Play Store
The thing that comes to my mind is this:
As the article says that ads are truly the means of rvenue for sites and apps, ad blockers should not be encouraged. Now as xda is a community of developers, should we too adhere to the above Google Rules and ban Ad Blockers..!!!??
Food for Thought!!
Please let me know your opinions unless this thread is closed by xda..!!
Not that I want to see ads on my phone, but XDA should adhere to this change as Android is owned by Google.
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This is good for us the developers, but bad for the users...
However, there are some roms, i really don't remember wich ones now, that had an ad block integrated, i would like to know if this something from the rom or an especific app pre installed.
I managed to backup Adaway through ti backup. Though I didn't know this until 10 minutes ago
Here's a download , use it as you wish
[URL = https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jz1ho80ljwq184/AdAway_2.2.apk] Adaway [/URL]
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Good news for devs. Doesn't matter to me cuz I would rather have ads on the apps/games than paying for it.
As I know, only a few percent of android users are using ads blockers. So I think it doesn't matter for developers.
Well it should be an option
knutson said:
As I know, only a few percent of android users are using ads blockers. So I think it doesn't matter for developers.
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I've had ads drastically reduce the usability in some apps and simply deleted said apps and installed alternatives. Other times i do not mind. When an ad completely covers the app i am using and i either have to click on it to make it disappear and open a web browser or find the microscopic X that ends up opening my web browser anyways it is annoying . Now if it only a small banner centered on my screen at the bottom with my screen in vertical or even horizontal mode i dont mind at all. It is not too distracting, usually out of the way of functions etc. It is only when it hampers the user should ads be blockable thats just my 2 cents. Don't mind supporting so long as it is not a nuisance. And some ads i do click on because "oh hey i was looking for something like that" XD
gamepro602 said:
I managed to backup Adaway through ti backup. Though I didn't know this until 10 minutes ago
Here's a download , use it as you wish
Adaway
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Oh why thank you! I was worried for a minute.
As some may (or may not) know, Google has removed a number of this type of app from the Play Store citing violation of some arcane clause of Play Stores T's & C's. Can anybody shed any light on the real reason for this. I can't personally see a problem with using an ad blocker. The devs are still doing what they have to by putting ads in their apps.....still fulfilling their obligations. By using an ad blocker, I'm exercising my personal choice/right to NOT have to view them.....in the same way that I could choose to watch a TV station that doesn't broadcast ads over one that does......where's the problem with that? Is it just me, or does anybody else think that Google is wrong for doing this?
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yep i think google are out of order for stopping these add blockers as i was useing and now my phone is full of rubbish adds again !!! boo to you google .....
I use one too....updated my ROM but did a full wipe first....so it got deleted. Tried to re download it from play store and it had gone.....without any warning/explanation.
Did a Google search for it (no irony there then lol) and found an alternative DL source for it....so, luckily for me, I'm not being bombarded with loan offers and other s**t like that......
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I'm not sure, but it may be for ethical reasons. Blocking ads, preventing developers receiving their deserved income.
Not sure how blocking an ad will prevent developers from getting paid......surely their money comes from paid/donate versions of their apps......can Google turn around to a dev and say "X's phone is running an ad blocker and as a result doesn't see the ads that you included in your app.....therefore we aren't going to pay you" I'd be surprised if Google had that apple big brother capability to be honest......Android isn't as 'locked down' as that.....on the contrary.....we all know it's as open as it's possible to get.......
And if you're suggesting that sales linked directly to ad exposure will suffer if people can't see the adverts......
My reply to that is.......how many Android users who encounter those adverts see them as anything other than an annoyance.....are an appreciable number of them/us REALLY going to go out and buy the product as a result of seeing an advert on a phone.....I wouldn't think so......
One last point.......
How can the advertisers even begin to estimate how much revenue is generated (or lost) through phone 'spamming'.......I'm sure they wouldn't decrease or withhold payment to a dev because a percentage of phone users use ad blockers......how would they ever find out........
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Not sure how blocking an ad will prevent developers from getting paid......surely their money comes from paid/donate versions of their apps......
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Apps with ads in them bring in revenue for the developer. Why else do you think they would they be there?
Some are paid per click, some are pay per view. So if you are blocking ads, you'll never click on, or view one, so the developer will never get paid from ads on your device.
With respect, before I rooted my phone, when I encountered these ads on a daily/hourly basis, I NEVER clicked them anyway.....and I'm sure I'm not the only one.....in fact, I'd be prepared to suggest that only a tiny minority of phone users actually do click on them........
And I will ALWAYS choose (and have chosen) the pro/paid/donate option for an app if I think that the app merits it....or if I want the added functionality that the paid version offers......so it's not as if I'm saying that the dev doesn't deserve to be paid, because I will choose to pay him for his app if needs be.....
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I think this is Googles try to keep Android attractive as a platform for developers! Why would you develop for a platform where everybody is using a adblocker therefore you can't make any money of it?
I'am using AdAway myself. You can still get it from a non official maket!
If I had to guess, google must have gotten so much grief from devs and big companies that use ads that they had to remove these apps from the play store... =/
What about ads away.......its not working for u?
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Google has to negotiate contracts to determine the amount of compensation for ads. By taking away ad blockers, they are able raise the price of advertisement costs (or keep it the same if advertisers are trying to lower it due to ad blockers). More revenue from ads mean more revenue to Google AND the developers.
Also, why are you guys even on XDA if you think the only place to download an app is the Play Store? Probably those same people that say flash doesn't work on Jellybean...
I am still using adb app....... Angry birds with lot of stupid ads
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It's hard enough to make any revenue as a Android developer. Since Google decided to release the market without the payment option in the beginning, nowdays Android phone users still don't wan't to pay for apps.
Do ad-blockers require root?
ballzak said:
Do ad-blockers require root?
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Most of them requires, but there is one which doesn't require mandatory root such as Ad Block Plus I guess.