Ok i have a tmobile s2 and a att unlock lg thrill, i plan to tether with my s2 but tmobile makes you pay a fee each month so i cant do that, recently i put my tmobile sim card in the att lg thrill and i decided to try and tether from the thrill and it was able to work but only with edge speed. So im just wondering if there's any phone out there that can get tmobile 3g but it's not tmobile branded, basically is there any cheap pentaband phones out there?
i would love to get a pentaband phone to tether... i like getting more phones but i would consider to try and root my s2 if i have too, i suck at rooting phones xD
It doesn't matter which phone you use. T-mobile can see how much data you're using and recommend (or force) you to have the tethering plan.
Btw, loved the Thrill, great phone.
KayxGee1 said:
It doesn't matter which phone you use. T-mobile can see how much data you're using and recommend (or force) you to have the tethering plan.
Btw, loved the Thrill, great phone.
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that only happens on my tmobile s2, tmobile directs you to a page to get the tethering plan. When i tether with the thrill, tmobile doesnt direct me to tethering page so basically i can tether with the thrill.
If you use ATT phone on T-Mobile 3G network, you will likely be getting EDGE speed only as most ATT phones only work with dual-band UMTS 850/1900. T-Mobile 3G/4G network operates on UMTS 1700/2100, as I vaguely recalled.
For ATT, UMTS 850 is the dominant band for 3G/4G network. UMTS 1900 only works with a very limited coverage. That is the main reason that most overseas phones failed to obtain 3G+ data speed on ATT network as most of them are dual-UMTS 900/2100 or tri-UMTS 900/1800/2100.
I have never been a customer on T-Mobile, but it has been alleged that UMTS1700 is the dominant band on T-mobile 3G/4G network. If that is indeed true, then it is close to impossible to get any 3rd-party unlocked phones to work with T-mobile 3G/4G network. While UMTS2100 is very common on overseas phones, UMTS1700 is close to non-existance other than the phones subsidized by T-Mobile.
UMTS850 is hard to get by, but not as hard as UMTS1700.
This is the trick for mobile carriers to lock in their customers.
GSM version of the Galaxy Nexus should work. It has 850, 900, 1700, 1900 and 2100 bands.
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GSM version of the Galaxy Nexus should work. It has 850, 900, 1700, 1900 and 2100 bands.
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yeah the nexus should work but it's too expensive for me haha
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Then the GSM version of the Nexus S...900, 1700, 2100, but then again T-Mo has a version of Nexus S already I believe.
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Then the GSM version of the Nexus S...900, 1700, 2100, but then again T-Mo has a version of Nexus S already I believe.
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oh my bad, i meant the galaxy nexus, i forgot the galaxy part
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I like the Captivate better than the Vibrant. Will it allow me to use 3G on the T-Mobile network?
I believe you would only get edge on at&t.
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Technically it's the same type of network...
no, only EDGE. They have different 3G bands.
T-Mobile = 1700 MHz
ATT = 850 and 1900 MHz
we can use captivate in china with unicom
I have a Captivate on Tmobile.
Can confirm it's only Edge
I always snicker when I see these threads. T-Mo GSM =/= AT&T GSM. Yes there are common frequencies that all GSM phones use, but each carrier always has their own 3G frequency. None are shared.
While yes there are different GSM bands and yes T-mobile uses different GSM bands than AT&T, mostly all phones are quadband GSM nowadays and thus support but AT&T and T-mobile's GSM network. Even US triband GSM phones still has both AT&T and T-mobile's bands.
3G is where is it different. Not all phones support both T-mobiles and AT&T's 3g bands. Very few actually do. The Samsung Vibrant (another Galaxy S phone) supports T-mobile's 3G bands and can be changed in the service mode to support AT&T's 3G as well.
The Captivate is not the same. The Captivate can only support AT&T's 3G network and not T-mobile's 3G network. It will work on T-mobile's EDGE network.
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Technically it's the same type of network...
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No they have a different bands for 3g, just because they use Sim cards doesnt mean it can run 3g on both networks
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I believe you would only get edge on at&t.
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Your wrong, the captivate is AT&T so you can 3G with AT&T and only Edge with tmobile
I'm also using the captivate on T-Mobile but can confirm that it's only on edge.
same situation with the nexus one. cant interchange or you can only get Edge
niceties of 3G
Wrong thread. I apologise!
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I just bought a Motorola Cliq (MB200). In Dominican Republic there are only 2 companies with 3G service. Claro Codetel (850Mhz) and Orange Dominicana (900Mhz)
Claro Codetel sells the Motorola Cliq for 3G usage on their network, branded to them of course.
The Cliq I bought is T-Mobile branded.
Is there ANY known way to debrand and have access to the 850 band for 3G?
I ask this question because I saw how it can be done on the Motorola Defy with a service flash found here, so I believe it should also be possible with my Moto Cliq.
I would really appreciate any input on this subject.
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Shouldn't you really be looking in those forums and not one for a Galaxy S phone?
Sorry, only did it because there were talks about other makes. I didn't realise it was a "Galaxy S Only" thread.
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I can get HSPDA over here in Malaysia.
Actually, both T-Mobile and AT&T phones work here. (2100Mhz 3G band)
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Sorry, only did it because there were talks about other makes. I didn't realise it was a "Galaxy S Only" thread.
How do I delete my post?
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Only phone mentioned here was the Captivate. Which is what this fora is for.
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Is EDGE service bad? the reason I ask is that I'm planning a trip from Nova Scotia to British Columbia, and going to be drive through the states. Cheaper Gas/Food/Lodging. you get the picture. I have a Captivate from Rogers which is unlocked and was thinking about getting a T-Mobile SIM card to use the Day Pass unlimited internet. However I don't understand what edge means and if this is a good thing or not. LOL
Thanks
Well at&t just bought t-mobile so maybe there will be a combining of signals?
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Well at&t just bought t-mobile so maybe there will be a combining of signals?
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They haven't bought, they are attempting to buy.
DOJ and FCC still have to approve it.
@OP
No, the Captivate was designed to only be supported for AT&T 3G. It does have the 2100 band, which T-Mobile 3G uses, but T-Mobile uses both 1700/2100 for upload/download, so if you don't have both, it locks you into 3G.
Anyone tried to flash a Phone with 1700 enabled?
Is anyone using the Samsung Omnia 7 on AT&T? I know it has support for AT&T's 1900 band for 3G but wanted to know how the experience is. I'm in Germany this week and was hoping to see if I can pick one up [not really happy with any of the AT&T phones].
Also, with updates possibly being controlled by carriers what's the workaround for buying an unlocked device from overseas and using it in the US on AT&T?
Thx!
can't tell you about omnia on at&t, but as far as i'm aware if your phone is unlocked from carrier, i don't see any reason/possibility for them to delay an update being rolled to your phone.
Cool, thx.
You should be able to get updates via the Zune software.
I'm sorry. this is my first post for this forum. Im not educated on on the compatibility of the EU phones on US carriers....
But is this really possible? I really like the SS Omnia the best so far.
an unlocked ominia will work perfectly fine on AT&T?
it will work perfectly.. except for the lack of 3G. The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses... and the 1700 band tmobile uses.
An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...
shujaa said:
An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...
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Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
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Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good
shujaa said:
Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good
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One advantage with the Focus is it has an SD card slot to extend storage.
If you use you phone for music,movies and games it's a big +.
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Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
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lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.
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lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.
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There are maps available showing coverage for each AT&T 3G frequency band. I wouldn't dismiss one band over the other. It all depends on what city you live in.
Check into the coverage areas before you waste money on a phone that won't give you 3G coverage in your area.
Very interesting as I googled AT&T 850 vs. 1900 MHz Coverage and pulled up a very interesting map [can't post a link due to my post count].
Coverage of the two bands is almost identical. I didn't know that speed is something to give up on the 1900 band though.
Good info. Yeah, I'm in Europe this week and no one is offering it unlocked!
here's the maps.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
my question would be though, which is the band they are going to expand going forward???
so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I'll be asking at an AT&T store, perhaps they can shed some light...
i personally am not sure if all phones handle the varying bands straight from the OEMs. HTC lists what bands their phone supports to each region, but in saying that it would be good to know what would happen if you got a omnia to the US (or in my case if i somehow managed to get an unlocked focus to australia ).
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so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I don't think the phone supports at&t's 850mhz band.
according to this it does
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pd...icially_confirmed_windows_phone_7_smartphones
and this
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8700_omnia_7-3537.php
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA
From what i've heard, ATT doesn't even really use the 850 spectrum much anymore...
Several people are selling this new on eBay for ~$600, but it does not support 3G. As per the one auction details:
* Works with AT&T and T-mobile EDGE but does not work with 3G networks in the USA
* Works with AT&T 1900Mhz 3G but not AT&T 850mhz 3G - Does not work with T-mobile 3G in the USA
I love the design of this phone too but is it worth paying all that money for a phone where you won't be able to take advantage of all its features? Edge is slow as Sh*t compared to 3g in my area. Just consider that if you really want this phone in the US.
Hey guys does anyone know if the the new Nexus S will work on AT&T at 3G speeds? Thanks all
nope, it will work on Edge only
Maybe in the future like they did with the nexus one
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as skunz said there is always a chance of an AT&T version, but for now T-Mobile 3G only.
They should... They did with the nexus one. I will wait, because i made the mistake of buying the tmobile one, then a couple weeks later the at&t 3g on was announced. haha
is ATT 3G better than TMO
I am currently on ATT with IPhone 4. Ready to dump the iPhone and get the Nexus S.
Should I wait for the ATT to come out? Is ATT 3G better than TMO? Why?
Thanks
mkilci said:
I am currently on ATT with IPhone 4. Ready to dump the iPhone and get the Nexus S.
Should I wait for the ATT to come out? Is ATT 3G better than TMO? Why?
Thanks
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Is your contract over? I'm guessing not You'll be stuck with EDGE (2G) on AT&T if you decide to get the Nexus. Wait a month or two, they should have an AT&T version in the works, hopefully
mkilci said:
I am currently on ATT with IPhone 4. Ready to dump the iPhone and get the Nexus S.
Should I wait for the ATT to come out? Is ATT 3G better than TMO? Why?
Thanks
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T-Mobile 3G is 4x faster than ATT 3G.
And wtf guys?
I'm pretty sure the Nexus S natively supports AT&T 3G:
Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/tech-specs
"AT&T uses the 850/1900 MHz frequency spectrum for 3G data"
"T-Mobile exclusively uses the AWS 1700/2100 MHz frequency-ban"
Here we have 850, 1900, 1700, and 2100.
This is full 3g for ANYTHING. Whether it's T-Mobile, AT&T, Europe.. blah.
Quad-band GSM applies to EDGE/Voice only. HSPA bands on the phone are what you need to be looking at when determining 3g capability.
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Quad-band GSM applies to EDGE/Voice only. HSPA bands on the phone are what you need to be looking at when determining 3g capability.
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Ah ic. Guess I'm wrong then. Facepalm.
It seems as though history might repeat itself. I would be willing to bet this phone will (or already does) exist in an AT&T flavor. I wouldn't mind taking a break from the iP4 for a bit, especially with this device. The reason I gave up my 3GS was for the N1, and it was groundbreaking and revolutionary. I don't know if I have the same thoughts on this device (because dual cores will probably be unveiled at CES '11), but nonetheless, this phone is and will be epic in it's own right, and always will be. I'm excited as hell for this device.
lets hope Sammy snuck the ATT 3G bands in like they did with the T-Mobile Vibrant
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-galaxy-s-unlock-codes-are-stored-in-your-phone-vibra/
That was the 1900Mhz bands, which AT&T USED to use for 3G. They're slowly phasing it out, and only some metros where they originally rolled out 3G still use those bands. They mainly use 850Mhz for 3G.
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lets hope Sammy snuck the ATT 3G bands in like they did with the T-Mobile Vibrant
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-galaxy-s-unlock-codes-are-stored-in-your-phone-vibra/
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oh man, i'm keeping my finger crossed!
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lets hope Sammy snuck the ATT 3G bands in like they did with the T-Mobile Vibrant
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-galaxy-s-unlock-codes-are-stored-in-your-phone-vibra/
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This would be truly amazing.
Am I right in thinking that if I see a letter H over my bars, that's faster than 3G. Like 3.5G or something?
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Am I right in thinking that if I see a letter H over my bars, that's faster than 3G. Like 3.5G or something?
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H = HSDPA Connection
3G = UMTS Connection
I will let Google take it from there.
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I recently brought an unlocked Sidekick 4G to Canada on Fido and am loving it !
You won't have any luck getting 3G with Fido. The Sidekick 3G was designed for the T-Mobile band of 3G called Band IV or AWS1 (1700/2100MHz), and Fido/Rogers use the Band II (1900/2100MHz).
The only carriers what the Sidekick will work with are Wind, Mobilicity and Videotron which all use the proper band.
I'm usually getting 2Mb/s on Mobilicity with my Sidekick (edge would be 0.3Mb/s), so if you are in their coverage zone you may think about switching provider.
Thanks you guys rock
Give it another year or so and the Band IV 1700/2100 will start to appear more on the Rogers/Fido/Chatr network. Rogers has invested into those bands to try take up all of the roaming rights in Canada after missing out with no revenue from roaming from the 2010 Olympics. The new HDSPA+ and LTE networt for Rogers will use the Band IV 1700/2100 as well as other bands when it launches.
Im going to school in Canada and am also looking to bring an unlocked 4G Sidekick up with me... Does the 4G version work with Wi-Fi even after its unlocked and in Canada? Are all the features accessible like webrowsing, social networks, etc??
Any info would be great. I am with Rogers so apparently that will be compatible with an unlocked version
I use my unlocked Sidekick 4G on Rogers in Canada. Now that rogers has officially rolled out AWS 1700 in the Ottawa region, you willl get 4G there although Rogers data network is exceptionally slow. AWS will be coming to toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, and a couple of other major cities by the end of 2011 according to Rogers. You can visit rogers.com/lte for more info on AWS coverage.
Are you 100% sure that it's using HSPA+ on the AWS1/1700MHz band ?
Their press release mentions using LTE on 1700 but HSPA+ (which they call 4G) on the "regular" 1900 band which is consistent with the wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Wireless#HSPA.2B
If you are getting a ~ 120kb/s speed, you are probably using edge and not 3g(or 4g).
By the way their Rocket stick ad http://www.rogerslte.com/new-lte-devices mentions this too:
* AWS for connectivity on the Rogers LTE network
* Tri-band HSPA+ /Quad-band EDGE for connectivity on the Rogers 4G HSPA+ network and roaming in over 190 countries
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You won't have any luck getting 3G with Fido. The Sidekick 3G was designed for the T-Mobile band of 3G called Band IV or AWS1 (1700/2100MHz), and Fido/Rogers use the Band II (1900/2100MHz).
The only carriers what the Sidekick will work with are Wind, Mobilicity and Videotron which all use the proper band.
I'm usually getting 2Mb/s on Mobilicity with my Sidekick (edge would be 0.3Mb/s), so if you are in their coverage zone you may think about switching provider.
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This is freaking crucial information that should be posted as a sticky, FAQ, or something to let people know. This saved me from trying to troubleshoot for months and from having to buy new sidekick again.
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Hey guys,
I am a little lost on this. I was looking on the Infuse and thought about getting it and unlocking it to use with tmobile and was wondering if i would get 4g speeds on it. Here is the bands i pulled off on AT&T's website for the phone:
GSM/EDGE:GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 3G - UMTS/HSDPAHSPA 850/1900/2100 4G*HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
According to this, it should work. Am i mistaken?
Thanks
sisco22 said:
Hey guys,
I am a little lost on this. I was looking on the Infuse and thought about getting it and unlocking it to use with tmobile and was wondering if i would get 4g speeds on it. Here is the bands i pulled off on AT&T's website for the phone:
GSM/EDGE:GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 3G - UMTS/HSDPAHSPA 850/1900/2100 4G*HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
According to this, it should work. Am i mistaken?
Thanks
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Um, why would you think it would work? Do you see UMTS1700 in there? I don't.
I thought it used 2100? I don't know much about the bands. Just started reading on who supported what.
tmobile uses mainly the 1700 band for 3g/4g. they also own the 700 band but i dont believe they use it. att is mostly on the 850 and 1900 bands. european and asian bands are typically 900 and 2100 so they dont really use those bands to keep unlocked phones off the network. the infuse does not work for 3g and 4g on tmobiles network, sorry.
ahh ok. that makes sense now. I've mainly stuck with tmobile phones, except tried an iphone a couple of times. but att has some cooler phones that i thougth i might want to try, but guess that won't happen now . I use the net on my phone alot, so it would be an issue.
Actually AT&T's weird bands have nothing to do with keeping unlocked phones off their network, just the fact that 2100 MHz wasn't available in the US for any carrier.
UMTS2100 is for international roaming, as it's the standard UMTS band in almost every other country.
T-Mobile uses 1700 and 2100, and you NEED both for 3G/4G to work.
i though the att bands were the same as rogers, bell, and telus use in canada? and the same as used in some other countries in the americas and in places like new zealand. i wouldnt exactly say att has the weird bands in this case.
maybe in a year or two att will merge networks with t-mo and you will have a huge selection of compatable phones.
its the same as rogers in canada, and telstra in australia. i belive bell and telus are cdma.
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its the same as rogers in canada, and telstra in australia. i belive bell and telus are cdma.
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the bell vibrant is an i9000 and the telus fascinate is a t-mo vibrant, the modems all work on the captivate. trust me they are all gsm networks and fully compatable with att phones.