I recently brought an unlocked Sidekick 4G to Canada on Fido and am loving it !
You won't have any luck getting 3G with Fido. The Sidekick 3G was designed for the T-Mobile band of 3G called Band IV or AWS1 (1700/2100MHz), and Fido/Rogers use the Band II (1900/2100MHz).
The only carriers what the Sidekick will work with are Wind, Mobilicity and Videotron which all use the proper band.
I'm usually getting 2Mb/s on Mobilicity with my Sidekick (edge would be 0.3Mb/s), so if you are in their coverage zone you may think about switching provider.
Thanks you guys rock
Give it another year or so and the Band IV 1700/2100 will start to appear more on the Rogers/Fido/Chatr network. Rogers has invested into those bands to try take up all of the roaming rights in Canada after missing out with no revenue from roaming from the 2010 Olympics. The new HDSPA+ and LTE networt for Rogers will use the Band IV 1700/2100 as well as other bands when it launches.
Im going to school in Canada and am also looking to bring an unlocked 4G Sidekick up with me... Does the 4G version work with Wi-Fi even after its unlocked and in Canada? Are all the features accessible like webrowsing, social networks, etc??
Any info would be great. I am with Rogers so apparently that will be compatible with an unlocked version
I use my unlocked Sidekick 4G on Rogers in Canada. Now that rogers has officially rolled out AWS 1700 in the Ottawa region, you willl get 4G there although Rogers data network is exceptionally slow. AWS will be coming to toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, and a couple of other major cities by the end of 2011 according to Rogers. You can visit rogers.com/lte for more info on AWS coverage.
Are you 100% sure that it's using HSPA+ on the AWS1/1700MHz band ?
Their press release mentions using LTE on 1700 but HSPA+ (which they call 4G) on the "regular" 1900 band which is consistent with the wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Wireless#HSPA.2B
If you are getting a ~ 120kb/s speed, you are probably using edge and not 3g(or 4g).
By the way their Rocket stick ad http://www.rogerslte.com/new-lte-devices mentions this too:
* AWS for connectivity on the Rogers LTE network
* Tri-band HSPA+ /Quad-band EDGE for connectivity on the Rogers 4G HSPA+ network and roaming in over 190 countries
jeromecornet said:
You won't have any luck getting 3G with Fido. The Sidekick 3G was designed for the T-Mobile band of 3G called Band IV or AWS1 (1700/2100MHz), and Fido/Rogers use the Band II (1900/2100MHz).
The only carriers what the Sidekick will work with are Wind, Mobilicity and Videotron which all use the proper band.
I'm usually getting 2Mb/s on Mobilicity with my Sidekick (edge would be 0.3Mb/s), so if you are in their coverage zone you may think about switching provider.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is freaking crucial information that should be posted as a sticky, FAQ, or something to let people know. This saved me from trying to troubleshoot for months and from having to buy new sidekick again.
+1
Related
I like the Captivate better than the Vibrant. Will it allow me to use 3G on the T-Mobile network?
I believe you would only get edge on at&t.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
Technically it's the same type of network...
no, only EDGE. They have different 3G bands.
T-Mobile = 1700 MHz
ATT = 850 and 1900 MHz
we can use captivate in china with unicom
I have a Captivate on Tmobile.
Can confirm it's only Edge
I always snicker when I see these threads. T-Mo GSM =/= AT&T GSM. Yes there are common frequencies that all GSM phones use, but each carrier always has their own 3G frequency. None are shared.
While yes there are different GSM bands and yes T-mobile uses different GSM bands than AT&T, mostly all phones are quadband GSM nowadays and thus support but AT&T and T-mobile's GSM network. Even US triband GSM phones still has both AT&T and T-mobile's bands.
3G is where is it different. Not all phones support both T-mobiles and AT&T's 3g bands. Very few actually do. The Samsung Vibrant (another Galaxy S phone) supports T-mobile's 3G bands and can be changed in the service mode to support AT&T's 3G as well.
The Captivate is not the same. The Captivate can only support AT&T's 3G network and not T-mobile's 3G network. It will work on T-mobile's EDGE network.
amtrakcn said:
Technically it's the same type of network...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No they have a different bands for 3g, just because they use Sim cards doesnt mean it can run 3g on both networks
opcow said:
I believe you would only get edge on at&t.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your wrong, the captivate is AT&T so you can 3G with AT&T and only Edge with tmobile
I'm also using the captivate on T-Mobile but can confirm that it's only on edge.
same situation with the nexus one. cant interchange or you can only get Edge
niceties of 3G
Wrong thread. I apologise!
vette95 said:
I just bought a Motorola Cliq (MB200). In Dominican Republic there are only 2 companies with 3G service. Claro Codetel (850Mhz) and Orange Dominicana (900Mhz)
Claro Codetel sells the Motorola Cliq for 3G usage on their network, branded to them of course.
The Cliq I bought is T-Mobile branded.
Is there ANY known way to debrand and have access to the 850 band for 3G?
I ask this question because I saw how it can be done on the Motorola Defy with a service flash found here, so I believe it should also be possible with my Moto Cliq.
I would really appreciate any input on this subject.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Shouldn't you really be looking in those forums and not one for a Galaxy S phone?
Sorry, only did it because there were talks about other makes. I didn't realise it was a "Galaxy S Only" thread.
How do I delete my post?
I can get HSPDA over here in Malaysia.
Actually, both T-Mobile and AT&T phones work here. (2100Mhz 3G band)
vette95 said:
Sorry, only did it because there were talks about other makes. I didn't realise it was a "Galaxy S Only" thread.
How do I delete my post?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Only phone mentioned here was the Captivate. Which is what this fora is for.
Sent from my Captivate
Is EDGE service bad? the reason I ask is that I'm planning a trip from Nova Scotia to British Columbia, and going to be drive through the states. Cheaper Gas/Food/Lodging. you get the picture. I have a Captivate from Rogers which is unlocked and was thinking about getting a T-Mobile SIM card to use the Day Pass unlimited internet. However I don't understand what edge means and if this is a good thing or not. LOL
Thanks
Well at&t just bought t-mobile so maybe there will be a combining of signals?
studacris said:
Well at&t just bought t-mobile so maybe there will be a combining of signals?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They haven't bought, they are attempting to buy.
DOJ and FCC still have to approve it.
@OP
No, the Captivate was designed to only be supported for AT&T 3G. It does have the 2100 band, which T-Mobile 3G uses, but T-Mobile uses both 1700/2100 for upload/download, so if you don't have both, it locks you into 3G.
Anyone tried to flash a Phone with 1700 enabled?
I know how At&t are gonna have HSPA+ 4g, I'm confused about the new devices they're gonna have that support HSPA+. Are they going to be able to connect to HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.
So for example, I buy an unlocked HSPA+ tablet from AT&T, straight from their store. Is it going to be able to use T-Mobile's HSPA+ network if I put a T-Mobile SIM card inside?
Also, one last question, if I use T-Mobile's SIM card, do I have to do some special stuff to get it to work on their cell network? Like how you have to unlock an iPhone for it to work on T-Mobile?
Thanks
xAliceNine said:
I know how At&t are gonna have HSPA+ 4g, I'm confused about the new devices they're gonna have that support HSPA+. Are they going to be able to connect to HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.
So for example, I buy an unlocked HSPA+ tablet from AT&T, straight from their store. Is it going to be able to use T-Mobile's HSPA+ network if I put a T-Mobile SIM card inside?
Also, one last question, if I use T-Mobile's SIM card, do I have to do some special stuff to get it to work on their cell network? Like how you have to unlock an iPhone for it to work on T-Mobile?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hello,
Unfortunately you will not be able to use HSPA+. HSPA+ is just an extension/revision of the current 3G. Effectively it is also called 3.5G/3.75G in some reports. They use the same 3G band of each respective company. The At&t tablet would work on 850/1900 band and T-mobile will work on their AWS (1700) band. So if you bought an At&t tablet, you may need to get it unlocked, not sure if they lock the sim on tablets. At best you would get Edge service with a T-mobile sim.
thanks man, argg
do you think it's worth it to change to at&t because I just heard of the Motorola Atrix and it sound PRETTY BAD ASS!
I don't know since people I know are always angry at AT&T for their service either..
xAliceNine said:
thanks man, argg
do you think it's worth it to change to at&t because I just heard of the Motorola Atrix and it sound PRETTY BAD ASS!
I don't know since people I know are always angry at AT&T for their service either..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
NP. I have had every major carrier offered in the US. I have had at&t, t-mobile, and sprint within the last year. I had verizon a while ago and dropped them because they could never get my bill right. Honestly, the service is about the same. The question is how is the service in your area. I mainly stay in my area about 90-98% of the time. I live in a major city so all carries have great service. But I have stayed with At&t for the last few years. Every time I go to another carrier I kept my at&t service, go figure. So I would just look at coverage to where you travel the most and go with a carrier that will give you the best coverage for the best price. Do i prefer a carrier over another, yeah. I like GSM carriers better because I do like to surf and talk at the same time. Sprint can do this if your in a 4G coverage area and have a 4G phone. Verizon is a no go with this feature until they release their LTE phones. But At&t has a better coverage footprint than T-mobile that is why I stick with them. Hope it helps.
Wondering a bit about this too.
I have service through Bendbroadband using a HSPA+ SIM with USB modem Dongle by bandluxe. The service is stellar on the speed, but I can't use the dongle with everything (iPad), so looking for alternate routes before i decide to move to a different provider.
I noticed that the CTO of the company said in a comment regarding their service that any unlocked UE that supports HSPA/HSPA+ in the AWS band could be used, but also had an unclear reponse on cell phones with HSPA+.
I have a Huawei Comet (unlocked), it lists the same AWS Bands compatible, but says HSDPA (which I thought HSDPA + HSUPA = HSPA+ but at higher speeds, correct me if I am wrong), and has hotspot tether that works with tmobile web service no problem.
I plugged the SIM in, and it updates the bar with BendBroadband but I get no data. (might need to provide the IMEI or something)..
Curious if you think it should work, before i go knocking on their doors.
Some other specs:
the mytouch 4g (HSPA+) lists the bands as:850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
The comet is listed as: 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
I am fairly sure the comet is HSPA+ but not advertised that way.
According to comments on the site, Bendbroadband technicians do not actually support moving of the SIMs. Bummer.. trying to keep my business local.. Bumping and moving to Tmobile once the month is up.
Hey guys,
I am a little lost on this. I was looking on the Infuse and thought about getting it and unlocking it to use with tmobile and was wondering if i would get 4g speeds on it. Here is the bands i pulled off on AT&T's website for the phone:
GSM/EDGE:GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 3G - UMTS/HSDPAHSPA 850/1900/2100 4G*HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
According to this, it should work. Am i mistaken?
Thanks
sisco22 said:
Hey guys,
I am a little lost on this. I was looking on the Infuse and thought about getting it and unlocking it to use with tmobile and was wondering if i would get 4g speeds on it. Here is the bands i pulled off on AT&T's website for the phone:
GSM/EDGE:GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 3G - UMTS/HSDPAHSPA 850/1900/2100 4G*HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
According to this, it should work. Am i mistaken?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Um, why would you think it would work? Do you see UMTS1700 in there? I don't.
I thought it used 2100? I don't know much about the bands. Just started reading on who supported what.
tmobile uses mainly the 1700 band for 3g/4g. they also own the 700 band but i dont believe they use it. att is mostly on the 850 and 1900 bands. european and asian bands are typically 900 and 2100 so they dont really use those bands to keep unlocked phones off the network. the infuse does not work for 3g and 4g on tmobiles network, sorry.
ahh ok. that makes sense now. I've mainly stuck with tmobile phones, except tried an iphone a couple of times. but att has some cooler phones that i thougth i might want to try, but guess that won't happen now . I use the net on my phone alot, so it would be an issue.
Actually AT&T's weird bands have nothing to do with keeping unlocked phones off their network, just the fact that 2100 MHz wasn't available in the US for any carrier.
UMTS2100 is for international roaming, as it's the standard UMTS band in almost every other country.
T-Mobile uses 1700 and 2100, and you NEED both for 3G/4G to work.
i though the att bands were the same as rogers, bell, and telus use in canada? and the same as used in some other countries in the americas and in places like new zealand. i wouldnt exactly say att has the weird bands in this case.
maybe in a year or two att will merge networks with t-mo and you will have a huge selection of compatable phones.
its the same as rogers in canada, and telstra in australia. i belive bell and telus are cdma.
The Jack of Clubs said:
its the same as rogers in canada, and telstra in australia. i belive bell and telus are cdma.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the bell vibrant is an i9000 and the telus fascinate is a t-mo vibrant, the modems all work on the captivate. trust me they are all gsm networks and fully compatable with att phones.
I have both the T-Mobile and the international unlocked version. I have the latter because, in my excitement, I didn't take care to find out if it will work on T-Mobile's 3G speeds. To my dismay, it doesn't, and I have an extra phone.
I'm wondering if it will work on any other carrier's 3G/4G data speeds. Searching forums and support threads haven't gotten me any answers. Any help at all would be appreciated.
I bought mine in Britain and am using it quite happily here in Japan. T-Mobile USA has a relatively rare frequency band internationally; I think as long as you have 2100MHz and 900MHz bands, which this phone has, there should be an operator in almost every country that the phone will work on. In fact, it should work on most operators in most countries.
The phone has 850/900/2100 MHz bands for 3G; T-Mobile runs "4G" (actually 3G) on 1700/2100 aka AWS - this requires BOTH bands to be present in the phone, which is why the One S doesn't work. T-Mo USA also has 1900MHz, again not present in the One S. Can you get EDGE 2G data, which should be possible on 850MHz?
In the USA, it should work on AT&T, as they use 850MHz for 3G. Maybe you can find someone who will lend you a SIM to check it.
In Europe & Asia, it should generally work no problem.
So T-Mobile seems to be ramping up their LTE coverage and my area seems to be one of the LTE markets.
I was wondering, would now be a good time to buy an AT&T Android LTE phone (like the Note 2 or GS3)?
I'm not entirely clear if the LTE on those AT&T phones will work with the current/future T-Mobile LTE network.
Right now I'm currently using an iPhone 4 on T-Mobile. I get spotty 3G coverage since I'm in one of the 1900MHz refarmed areas. Would using an AWS LTE compatible AT&T phone let me get T-Mobile LTE service?
Is T-Mobile eventually going to get rid of their 3G service on the 1700MHz frequency so they can use it for LTE and then put their 3G service on the 1900MHz frequency?
I can't afford a brand new phone, but when it comes to used phones it always seems that AT&T ones are cheaper to buy than T-Mobile equivalent.
Outrager said:
So T-Mobile seems to be ramping up their LTE coverage and my area seems to be one of the LTE markets.
I was wondering, would now be a good time to buy an AT&T Android LTE phone (like the Note 2 or GS3)?
I'm not entirely clear if the LTE on those AT&T phones will work with the current/future T-Mobile LTE network.
Right now I'm currently using an iPhone 4 on T-Mobile. I get spotty 3G coverage since I'm in one of the 1900MHz refarmed areas. Would using an AWS LTE compatible AT&T phone let me get T-Mobile LTE service?
Is T-Mobile eventually going to get rid of their 3G service on the 1700MHz frequency so they can use it for LTE and then put their 3G service on the 1900MHz frequency?
I can't afford a brand new phone, but when it comes to used phones it always seems that AT&T ones are cheaper to buy than T-Mobile equivalent.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It has been my understanding that AT&T and T-Mobile smartphones are network cross-compatible because they use the same bands for HSPDA and LTE. So as long as you have the following, you should be good to go.
First and most important: ***Phone Unlocked***
The correct sim for the carrier.
The correct APN settings for the carrier. (If this isn't auto-populated after the new sim is in the phone, you can search here on XDA for them.)
Lastly, apply any patches/fixes/tweaks for the particular device where needed. (if needed)
As for this network cross-compatibility changing in the future, odds are that it probably will not happen any time soon as this would be very costly for the carrier to change so soon after launching the LTE service. Post-LTE, maybe, but that is at least another 10 years away if I had to guess. :fingers-crossed: