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Hi All,
My little sister has an Inspire 4g. She's not very tech savvy and wouldn't know the difference between a rom and a skin. She is now on her 3rd inspire because of what sounds to me like a bricking problem. Any help in diagnosing this problem would be great. I searched the forum, but everything i found had to do with rom flashing.
Symptoms:
Phone won't power on unless battery is removed. Once it starts powering up, it gets to the HTC logo and freezes. She waited about 15 minutes and nothing would happen.
This happened over night one night, she woke up and couldn't power on.
It also happened 10 days later with a replacement phone while playing a game.
Any thoughts on the matter?
Thanks,
Ratkid2271
Has the phone been rooted?
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Has the phone been rooted?
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No, the phone was not rooted. She wouldn't know how to root. Everything is stock, except for a few apps she installed from the market place.
You say she's on now on phone #3. The symptoms you describe occurred on #3, or on all three phones?
In other words, has it been the same exact symptoms that caused her to go through two other phones?
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The first phone bricked over night, the second while she was playing the game. Her third phone has not bricked yet, but I want to help her prevent it from bricking if I can. She's getting fed up with the phone...
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Have you tried a new or different charger?
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Have you tried a new or different charger?
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Or especially car charger. Never turn the car on with the phone plugged in. Bad mojo.
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First phone that bricked, it was charging from a wallwart over night. The second time it was not plugged in at all...
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First phone that bricked, it was charging from a wallwart over night. The second time it was not plugged in at all...
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Where are these phones coming from? ATT store, best buy, Costco?
I find it hard to believe you'd get 2 bad phones, and be fearing for a third, if the place you got them from are giving you new, not refurbished replacements. I'm not saying it isn't possible, just that it seems unlikely, especially with this phone, from this manufacturer.
Just for piece of mind, you may want to give a closer look at your what/how your sister is using/handling the phone, as well, just to make absolutely sure the problem is indeed a bad batch of phones.
That way if it does happen a third time, you can confidently articulate the symptoms to the place of return. After having to replace more than a couple phones, places might start to get a little more reluctant to keep doing replacements.
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The original phone was purchased at an at&t store. The replacements came from the same store. They were NIB. The only thing that i can think of is that an OTA update was pushed (are they able to force the update, they prompt on my atrix) and she didn't let it finish. Would that brick the phone?
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The original phone was purchased at an at&t store. The replacements came from the same store. They were NIB. The only thing that i can think of is that an OTA update was pushed (are they able to force the update, they prompt on my atrix) and she didn't let it finish. Would that brick the phone?
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I'm telling you its the midget porn. All the kids are watching it these days
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ratkid2271 said:
The original phone was purchased at an at&t store. The replacements came from the same store. They were NIB. The only thing that i can think of is that an OTA update was pushed (are they able to force the update, they prompt on my atrix) and she didn't let it finish. Would that brick the phone?
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An failed OTA update could definitely brick a phone, and I have heard of Verizon or some carrier doing a "silent" update, but I don't think one has occurred for this phone yet, though an update is in the works from att.
Besides, I don't think they'd do a major, potentially brick-causing OTA anyways, after what happened with the bell/rogers captivate, or whatever it was, fiasco awhile back.
If the replacements were NIB and from att, that makes me even more skeptical that the cause was a bad batch of phones, especially if the replacements were spaced several days apart, as they get new shipments in, further decreasing the likelihood of 2 bad ones from the same batch.
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The whole issue of brick by ota update can easily and practically be solved by manufacturers of Android phones distributing desktop update software, similar to blackberry manager software. I know with the Samsung captivate, you can download the kies program to update. But it wasn't distributed with the phone so most users aren't going to be aware. I still yet have to be explained why this isn't in practice.
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my first inspire did this. This was on day one without root. I would think it was probably a bad coincidence. I bet she's in the clear.
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my first inspire did this. This was on day one without root. I would think it was probably a bad coincidence. I bet she's in the clear.
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Do you know what you were doing when this happened?
I wish i actually saw the phone(s) in their bricked state. I feel like i could give better information to everyone. It seems like this is not a very common issue or i would have found at least one other post about it. I'm hoping it was just a fluke. Thanks for all the suggestions guys.
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I think she's going to have to take a good long look at what she has done with each phone...
- How has she been charging it?
- Did she download the same apps every time? What were they?
- Does she have any friends who have offered to help her tweak the settings or anything on the phone that may have inadvertently messed up something or tried to flash it?
- What sort of environment is it kept in?
- Protective case? Other accessories?
I think these need to be investigated to properly identify the cause. 3 phones dying that quickly may be indicative of a situation that she is creating without KNOWING that she is doing so.
If it bricks after failing a OTA update, and you still got it to boot I don't see why you couldn't run the RUU. Even then if it doesn't fully boot you shouldn't have a problem getting into the boot loader and using a pd98img to recover. It is really hard REALLY hard to completely brick this phone.
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If it bricks after failing a OTA update, and you still got it to boot I don't see why you couldn't run the RUU. Even then if it doesn't fully boot you shouldn't have a problem getting into the boot loader and using a pd98img to recover. It is really hard REALLY hard to completely brick this phone.
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D'oh, you beat me to it...was just thinking the same thing about using a stock RUU and the bootloader.
I had CM9 On my rooted Samsung Galaxy S3, and my phone would crash randomly in the middle of changing songs on playerpro or in the middle of phone calls, so I tried to download SiyahKernel hoping it would add some stability to my ROM. Well I had 2 different versions of the kernel somehow. One was SiyahKernel 3.something, and the other was 2.5. I assumed the 3.something would be for the S3 and the 2 something was a false download that I got on accident and was made for the S2 or something, but when I tried to flash the 3.something it didn't work, versus when I tried flashing the 2.5 it installed perfectly fine. So, here's the fun part...when I went to reboot my phone it died COMPLETELY. I can't start the phone in download mode to odin it, can't get into recovery to flash an old nandroid. Phone won't turn on, won't charge, will do absolutely nothing, and I know for sure the battery was charged to 90% when it crapped out. I've done battery pulls, I actually did a 3 hour battery pull at one point...I don't have insurance, and I don't have the $$$ to go buy another phone, so if anyone has some ideas on how I could either get my phone back operational, or a cheaper solution (like a jigg) it would be MUCH appreciated. I wasn't just a noob jumping into it on my S3, I've been rooting, romming, and flashing **** since 2009, and it's my 10th smartphone, but my first brick ever. Please help!
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If you can't get into odin mode or recovery then your phone is deffo hard bricked n will be costly to repair mate. Be careful flashing kernels n use odin to do it not recovery mode
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I had the gs2 and I was trying to unroot it and I couldn't even get Odin to work because it didn't recognize the phone. So I called samsung and told them that got an update, but after it finish updating it cut off and never came on, and the battery was fully charged. So, if I was you I'll go that route. And good luck
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search jtag.
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Could I do the JTAG process MYSELF, or is paying them 60 dollars the only way to solve my problem?
That seems like the only way to fix this, because as of right now I seem pretty much screwed.
Atreux said:
Could I do the JTAG process MYSELF, or is paying them 60 dollars the only way to solve my problem?
That seems like the only way to fix this, because as of right now I seem pretty much screwed.
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I think you need equipment to do it.
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Note for the future: always a good idea to carry the cheaper (just asurion) insurance if your gonna root and flash. It's $5.18/month. A quick "oops I drove over my phone, or its on the bottom of the Atlantic", and boom.. New phone for a C note.
Sorry for no solution, it's more for others reading post.
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I think you need equipment to do it.
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Note for the future: always a good idea to carry the cheaper (just asurion) insurance if your gonna root and flash. It's $5.18/month. A quick "oops I drove over my phone, or its on the bottom of the Atlantic", and boom.. New phone for a C note.
Sorry for no solution, it's more for others reading post.
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This post is ridiculous. Asurion blows, never have had a good experience with them over using 5 phones insured by them. Only ever had 2 crap out on me (hardware-wise. If it was ever software related I did it, and knew exactly how to handle it, but the 2 that were done were spidered screens). They gave me a broken refurbished evo back for the very first phone I ever had that I rooted, rommed, and hacked on for DAYS trying to learn the entire process...all those manhours and they send me a refurbished phone with nothing on it, and a screwed up LCD digitzer...do NOT recommend asurion whatsoever, and will never use them again no matter what carrier I go with.
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If you can't get into odin mode or recovery then your phone is deffo hard bricked n will be costly to repair mate. Be careful flashing kernels n use odin to do it not recovery mode
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Why would you use odin to flash a kernel? I use cwm all the time for roms and kernels alike. Odin for radios or to return to stock. Cwm does everything else I need it to do. Same mistake could have been made on a computer guy downloaded two kernels and flashed the wrong one.
OP I am sorry for your loss.
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Note for the future: always a good idea to carry the cheaper (just asurion) insurance if your gonna root and flash. It's $5.18/month. A quick "oops I drove over my phone, or its on the bottom of the Atlantic", and boom.. New phone for a C note.
Sorry for no solution, it's more for others reading post.
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imo insurance fraud is not the right answer. the right thing to do is research then flash, dont flash then research. ofcourse its now standard in america to be bailed out for every mistake we make, so perhaps your right.... I have yet to cave in and accept this kind of mentality.
The profit margins these companies make is ridiculous to begin with. It's not fraud, the only thing that may be considered even close to it is claiming that the phone is missing or damaged beyond repair due to something that was out of your control. Non the less your insurance covers all these avenues twice a year.
In reality, a bricked phone should be covered under insurance, and I'm sure if you have the proper legal knowledge you could argue that further and make them cover it without having to tell a white lie. Insurance is simple, covering a loss. And a loss is technically a brick (that's not open for debate either, that's correct), but there is a loophole they use where they can refuse to honor a claim if they feel to do so (hence modifications).
F that. I pay for insurance, I do my part. Not to mention when I actually signed up for the insurance, I asked the vzw rep if a rooted phone is covered, and his response was exactly this: don't take a chance, smash it up and send it back, or disappear the device.
I do not abuse or condone anything of what I said, I have yet to make a claim, but be assured, if I brick my device after 5 years of carrying ins. I am getting my money's worth out of it.
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Call me paranoid, but after reading the thread on Unbricking that got bumped a couple days ago, I'm a little afraid I might one day brick my device. Even though I take all the precautions, it looks like bad luck has set upon a handful of guys, and I feel like it might happen to us all one day. I'd feel at ease, after reading that thread, however I don't have a PC and I have virtually no way of getting my hands on one!! Is there no way to do this on a Mac? Is any dev working on this or able to point me to instructions in case this happens to me? I just want to be ready..
Kinda surprised I couldn't find any threads on this.
The only way you can brick this phone is if you stupidly flash a ROM not meant for this phone. Please know the difference between soft brick and hard brick. Also there isn't any proven method to un-brick a soft bricked S 3 for the MAC. The last time I checked the MAC is a PC made by Apple running its own OS just like an iPhone is a smartphone, an iPad is a tablet and an iPod is an MP3 player but that is an whole other story.
Best response you'll get is to try using Heimdall, if it's working for our phone, if you absolutely must use Mac. Not many people have been trying that from what I see and I doubt there will be any change either. Besides that, find someone with a Windows PC and fix any issue you have.
And I completely agree with jmxc23.
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npro1464 said:
Call me paranoid, but after reading the thread on Unbricking that got bumped a couple days ago, I'm a little afraid I might one day brick my device. Even though I take all the precautions, it looks like bad luck has set upon a handful of guys, and I feel like it might happen to us all one day. I'd feel at ease, after reading that thread, however I don't have a PC and I have virtually no way of getting my hands on one!! Is there no way to do this on a Mac? Is any dev working on this or able to point me to instructions in case this happens to me? I just want to be ready..
Kinda surprised I couldn't find any threads on this.
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You could use a virtual machine that runs windows. But yes, your options are very limited when trying to work with this phone on a mac.
You need a JTAG to unbrick!
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You need a JTAG to unbrick!
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That is for hard bricking. The OP is talking about soft bricking the device there IS a difference between the two.
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The only way you can brick this phone is if you stupidly flash a ROM not meant for this phone. Please know the difference between soft brick and hard brick. Also there isn't any proven method to un-brick a soft bricked S 3 for the MAC. The last time I checked the MAC is a PC made by Apple running its own OS just like an iPhone is a smartphone, an iPad is a tablet and an iPod is an MP3 player but that is an whole other story.
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So as long as I don't flash a non VZ rom I should be good and shouldn't get a soft brick? I don't mind having to boot into recovery to fix something, but having to find a PC might cost me a day or two without a phone, and a big fight with my wife. It might be worth my money to invest in Parallels..
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npro1464 said:
So as long as I don't flash a non VZ rom I should be good and shouldn't get a soft brick? I don't mind having to boot into recovery to fix something, but having to find a PC might cost me a day or two without a phone, and a big fight with my wife. It might be worth my money to invest in Parallels..
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If you're a consistent flasher, at some point you will need to use Odin. Maybe not enough times to justify spending money to solve your problem, but you're going to have to borrow someone's PC or use windows eventually unless someone comes up with some Mac development
That sucks. If I reset the flash counter does that help prevent this at all?
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That sucks. If I reset the flash counter does that help prevent this at all?
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Resetting the flash counter is utterly pointless until you need to exchange the phone via warranty. So, no it does not.
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So there is no way to fix a soft brick with heimdall? Ive been looking everywhere for a guide or any help. Im stuck at a softbrick and have no access to a windows computer. Any advice?
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So there is no way to fix a soft brick with heimdall? Ive been looking everywhere for a guide or any help. Im stuck at a softbrick and have no access to a windows computer. Any advice?
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Download a Windows 8 or 7 trial and install bootcamp.
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Before I start some troublehosting I want to hear some opinions first if possible.
And I would to add that this is my firt samsung phone(since I managed to drown my sony xperia go witch was supposed to be waterproofff) so things seem different from the way sony does theyr things. much easyer I might say as just a user, but much harder for devs:/
Anyhow, so I got a DOA/DAP act and this time added a little more cash and got this gem. Got it with 4.1.2, got it rooted. Only days after I manage to find out that 4.2.2 update has been releaced for quite sometime. Currently I have no computer and have been using the phone as a replacement. Now I'm kind of Getting interested in updating and wanted to ask some opinions and maybe a comparison of the two.
Android 4.2.2:
Lock Screen Widgets
Transparent Status Bar
New Notification Panel (More toggles)
Lock Screen new effects when touched
Daydream mode (Setting>display)
New keyboard
Minor changes in user interface
New user interface in setting (same as the s4)
Higher score in benchmark
Better battery life
*I didn't install Android 4.2.2 but that's what I know, do tell me if I missed any of them.
If you wanna update 4.2.2 before it's available for your country, you have to download the 4.2.2 firmware from Sammobile and flash it via Odin. Make sure your computer is fully working and it doesn't power off itself in a sudden :silly:
As you mentioned, you rooted your 4.1.2, OTA wouldn't be available, if you want any OTA from your country you have to flash stock firmware (Like I did too). But if you flash other country's 4.2.2 you would lose your warranty as well. So you decide.
I'm waiting for Hong Kong's official update.
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But if you flash other country's 4.2.2 you would lose your warranty as well. So you decide.
I'm waiting for Hong Kong's official update.
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But you can reflash your country's firmware if you need to claim the warranty
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Flashing isnt hard, its just that this binary counter is somethig new for me, so I still have just a basic understanding how it works. Tell me: when I wanted to root I went in download mode and the first thing I was given were two options - vol.up as reboot and forget or vol.down and go into the actual download mode. So I press down and I see do not disconnet or unplug ect. And at the botom I saw the triangle. I was just about to flash the needed stuff but it was already there, still is...
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Also where do I get my countries fw? Although I'm pretty sure mines international. And would the phone status change to official if I reset the counter? Maybe kies then would allow me to get the update?
all u r answers are already given in the s ll plus forums read it carefully.
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all u r answers are already given in the s ll plus forums read it carefully.
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I'm pretty sure I would have already found some answers since this is almost a dead forum. Maybe I overlooked - yes, but atleast linkig to some answers would be nice.
U can update ur phone via kies if the update is already available for ur country.
If u simply flash the firmware via odin without flashing cwm or something else ur binarycounter wont count higher.
U said u rooted ur phone so i guess that u flashed cwm and then superuser.zip in cwm. If u did that ur counter already counted up to 1 so it is not nessesary wheather u flash a prerouted firmware or do it urself after flashing the normal one.
It is up to u.
Btw. It is possible to reset the counter.
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U can update ur phone via kies if the update is already available for ur country.
If u simply flash the firmware via odin without flashing cwm or something else ur binarycounter wont count higher.
U said u rooted ur phone so i guess that u flashed cwm and then superuser.zip in cwm. If u did that ur counter already counted up to 1 so it is not nessesary wheather u flash a prerouted firmware or do it urself after flashing the normal one.
It is up to u.
Btw. It is possible to reset the counter.
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Yes I know when the counter counts and that I can reset it somehow as I was talking about before. The question is: would kies upgrade me if I have the counter rolling and if not where can I just get the firmware to go stock again.
Didnt tested it. But if u dont have the german Firmware u wont get an update via kies
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Well I guess its a hit or miss thing. Have to get my ass at some friend and see what I can get out of kies. Ether way I'm probably gonna have to make some backups now. Damn this forum needs a bit more organization going on.
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Well I guess its a hit or miss thing. Have to get my ass at some friend and see what I can get out of kies. Ether way I'm probably gonna have to make some backups now. Damn this forum needs a bit more organization going on.
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Show some respect here dude, everyone is trying to help you and you criticize us like this? If you really think we do need more organization. You either get the f*** out of our forum. or YOU organize it yourself. Instead of sitting here complaining.
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I'm pretty sure I would have already found some answers since this is almost a dead forum. Maybe I overlooked - yes, but atleast linkig to some answers would be nice.
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"almost a dead forum" - so it wouldn't be hard to look or search before opening this thread... And yet you demand to be spoonfed. But that's ok, you still got replies.
Then in another post you proceed to be a d1ck and condescending to the posters here. You know what, it's idiots like you who only come in demanding ti be sponfed and then disappear without contributing that make the S2+ forum a ghost town.
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Sorry if it felt like that. Trust me I would like to contribute if I could, but I literally cannot now. Just thought I could get some opinions going on. And there is nothing wrong if this is a dead place for the time being. I said this place need some organization its to cause this is still a bit new phone and people are going to start rolling in eventually. Also just because I don't post anything doesn't mean I don't read. I like to lurk and see what' up, would help somebody more often but I think there are people who can help/explain better.
Thanks for such a warm welcome guys. It's a hard enough for me to get online. Using a phone fully as a home computer cant be enough to start helping everyone. I'm still learning, trying my best for school and my parents are divorcing so there is a chance I might start living just for rent instead of joining a university. I'm sorry for what I said, but really I'm just trying to be mature here. So if there is somehow I can help the forums just say, really don't want to ask and leave like **** as you said.
First you have to write more respectful posts like you just did.
And follow the guides in the forum which teaches you how to build Rom or make mods. You can search them.
I'm not an expert in developing but I think normal questions should do
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leason learned. also now the phone is dead. got it to warranty yesterday. it died while charging, pluged it in, left it, come back to see that it shows no life. i did saw something like glue melt under the flash, but one of the two bubles faded after a while. but it cannot be water i swear. i did no overclocking, even had it underclocked to 800Mhz. the lady said this could take a week. if anyone is interested i can update on the status when i get something on theyr site.
Aside from better graphics and widgets, performance boost is definitely a worth. Battery life as said by many is not experienced by me yet. Maybe bad ROM flash, will re-flash ROM by the end of the month.
if I do get it back I'll try it out. untill then just to add up a little: sent it in rooted with the bin.counter probably above 1, now I fear that they will dismount the chip to read it to see the bin.count ;_; maybe i'm getting paranoied. anyway the site now says its being sent to some other building, nothing more till now. sorry for slow comebacks but now I'm using a gliched out smart tvs browser with gettho internet connection.
this could not have went any better. they say its water damaged and the replacement motherboard will cost something about 140 USD. Never in my life has a device gotten water damaged and they just say the whole motherboard needs to be replaced. worst day ever.
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this could not have went any better. they say its water damaged and the replacement motherboard will cost something about 140 USD. Never in my life has a device gotten water damaged and they just say the whole motherboard needs to be replaced. worst day ever.
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That is sad. Very sad. I know how it sucks to find out warranty not getting claimed. I bought a tablet 2 days back for my mum and it had hardware problem which broke my heart. The phone new is for 270 dollars in my country. 140 is way too much.
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I bought mine for 100 € because the grandfather from a classmate got this phone for free from his Provider and he didnt need it. So he wanted to sell it as soon as possible. XD
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I know there are topics on how to unroot your device but my question is a little more specific. I want to trade in my phone to upgrade. I know the device needs to be stock. But does anyone know if I need to go through the trouble of resetting the flash counter just to trade in not for warranty service, cuz frankly the process makes me nervous. Any info will be appreciated.
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I know there are topics on how to unroot your device but my question is a little more specific. I want to trade in my phone to upgrade. I know the device needs to be stock. But does anyone know if I need to go through the trouble of resetting the flash counter just to trade in not for warranty service, cuz frankly the process makes me nervous. Any info will be appreciated.
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I don't know for sure, but for the peace of mind of knowing that you "shouldn't" have anything to worry about, I'd go ahead and spend the couple of bucks and reset it. I know there's a possibility that it might not matter either way, but with the kind of luck that I've got, I'd just bite the bullet on the couple of bucks it would cost and reset that bad boy. Doing so sure makes the ride down to the store a heck of a lot less stressful lol.
Yeah you're right I just don't want brick it on its way out the door I've had pretty good luck thus far rooting thunderbolt, galaxy Nexus and now GS3. I already bought the triangle away. I would just put it on eBay but it has some internal damage. Thanks again
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