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ODD! No deathgrip while on a call!?! test please

HI
Been playing around with my Sensation.
What i noticed while sitting in my front room. GRound floor, i have 2-4 bars with the phone on the table.
0-1 bars when deathgripped even 2 bars if im lucky bars BUT WHEN IM ON A CALL. i rang the normal o2 top up line
DEATHGRIPPED IN MY LAP. from 1 bar it jumped to 4 bars and idling between 3-4 bars, no matter how i deathgrip it, it wont go lower than 2 while on a call if i deathgrip it really HARD????
so normal 3-4 bars,
deathgripped 0-2 bars
ring a number deathgripped 3-4 bars or possibly 2
could this be a software issue?
anyone else confirm this asap please

ikhzter said:
HI
Been playing around with my Sensation.
What i noticed while sitting in my front room. GRound floor, i have 2-4 bars with the phone on the table.
0-1 bars when deathgripped even 2 bars if im lucky bars BUT WHEN IM ON A CALL. i rang the normal o2 top up line
DEATHGRIPPED IN MY LAP. from 1 bar it jumped to 4 bars and idling between 3-4 bars, no matter how i deathgrip it, it wont go lower than 2 while on a call if i deathgrip it really HARD????
so normal 3-4 bars,
deathgripped 0-2 bars
ring a number deathgripped 3-4 bars or possibly 2
could this be a software issue?
anyone else confirm this asap please
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That's w.e.i.r.d.
The call doesn't drop I suppose? Maybe it's because it's emitting a more powerfull signal while on a call and the deathgrip doesn't affect it. It's very confusing though...

giorgisp said:
That's w.e.i.r.d.
The call doesn't drop I suppose? Maybe it's because it's emitting a more powerfull signal while on a call and the deathgrip doesn't affect it. It's very confusing though...
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CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TRY THIS. THIS NEEDS TO BE VERIFIED WITH MORE SENSATIONS.
IF WE CAN THEN WE KNOW ITS SOFTWARE ISSUE, im thinking of even posting a video of it.
Deathgrip it hard and i lose al my bars even or down to 1 while not on a call,
but while on a call its 3-4 bars, deathgripped hard its 2 otherwise 3-4

NO WAY, DEATHGRIPPED AT 1 bar. PRESSED CALL, after 15 seconds it jumped to 4 bar in the same position

Simple. On standby it doesn't use as much power to keep signal up as it does when you talk. Why do you think mA usage increases when you talk on the phone?
This is normal. In sby, phone doesn't need perfect signal, it just needs some signal to receive incoming calls, sms, data, then it wakes up and upps the power used for connection with mast/s, so you have good quality connection.

tinky1 said:
Simple. On standby it doesn't use as much power to keep signal up as it does when you talk. Why do you think mA usage increases when you talk on the phone?
This is normal. In sby, phone doesn't need perfect signal, it just needs some signal to receive incoming calls, sms, data, then it wakes up and upps the power used for connection with mast/s, so you have good quality connection.
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oh lol i thought i made an astounding discovery, never mind. lol
still getting ri of it and going back to my DHD

ikhzter said:
oh lol i thought i made an astounding discovery, never mind. lol
still getting ri of it and going back to my DHD
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Why do you wanna do that? Isn't Sensation better than DHD?

Figure_desire said:
Why do you wanna do that? Isn't Sensation better than DHD?
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Im in two minds at the moment, i have no idea what to do. sensation is better, dhd is similiar in signal, also hold it flat landscape it too drops wifi. now that i have noticed, but sensation signal is pretty noticable as it is easily deathgripped due to its shape, so im not sure whether to keep it or not with these deathgrip issues
i absolutely love it but the deathgrip is letting it down
dont like sgs2, its ugly and also quite a few issues on it too.

ikhzter said:
Im in two minds at the moment, i have no idea what to do. sensation is better, dhd is similiar in signal, also hold it flat landscape it too drops wifi. now that i have noticed, but sensation signal is pretty noticable as it is easily deathgripped due to its shape, so im not sure whether to keep it or not with these deathgrip issues
i absolutely love it but the deathgrip is letting it down
dont like sgs2, its ugly and also quite a few issues on it too.
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I haven't seen any phone with no issue. If that makes a problem of course you should give it back or think about replace. Because there are people saying that there is no issue at all.

Figure_desire said:
I haven't seen any phone with no issue. If that makes a problem of course you should give it back or think about replace. Because there are people saying that there is no issue at all.
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I have. My Desire once it had motherboard replaced. BEST phone i ever had, better than sensation, even stock.
But i'm a geek, i want/need new, and sensations dual core is fair bit more future proof than Desire. Can't wait to see what can be done with it once bootloader is unlocked.

Figure_desire said:
I haven't seen any phone with no issue. If that makes a problem of course you should give it back or think about replace. Because there are people saying that there is no issue at all.
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HTC offered to take it in under warranty, repair or refurbish it for me ?
should i let them?

ikhzter said:
HTC offered to take it in under warranty, repair or refurbish it for me ?
should i let them?
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If you have NO other problems, i wouldn't. It's design issue, so repair, another phone won't fix it. But it's up to you if you want to give it a go.

tinky1 said:
I have. My Desire once it had motherboard replaced. BEST phone i ever had, better than sensation, even stock.
But i'm a geek, i want/need new, and sensations dual core is fair bit more future proof than Desire. Can't wait to see what can be done with it once bootloader is unlocked.
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I had Desire too. I loved it. But it has problems too. Its display couldn't see even a bit under sunlight. It had dual touch not real multitouch. etc. That's the way how they sell newe phones.
ikhzter said:
HTC offered to take it in under warranty, repair or refurbish it for me ?
should i let them?
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If you think you can't live wthout Sensation you should try it. But keep in mind that might not help either.

Figure_desire said:
I had Desire too. I loved it. But it has problems too. Its display couldn't see under sunlight. It had dual touch not real multitouch. etc. That's the way how they sell newe phones.
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I see these as shortcomings, not a fault tbh. There is always better technology out there, no matter how new your device is.

tinky1 said:
I see these as shortcomings, not a fault tbh. There is always better technology out there, no matter how new your device is.
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Agree and in addition to that I see this deathgrip issue as shortcoming too. Better or worse all phones have that.

This is a simple powersaving issue. The amplifier for the phone antenna does not to run at full tilt when it's idling in passive mode. Think of it like CPU scaling.

Figure_desire said:
That might be a good explanation.
Also we all know that phones consume more power when there isn't enough signal from base station. So we can say phones are able to set this according to situation.
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lol i feel sheepish now, so basically there is no software issue at all , we just have to live with this,
the dhd fared better though because it was bulkier it spread out in our hands, so itwasnt deathgripped often

The term death grip is incorrect not mstter how youbhold it the signal does not die it just loses power so atcually it is more a choke grip then death
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA Premium App

But on certain position it drops wifi and bluetooth?
mt4g royal ginger v2.1

Gregory.u317 said:
But on certain position it drops wifi and bluetooth?
mt4g royal ginger v2.1
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Yes and no. If you only have one bar for wifi, and then grip it tight, then yes, signal will drop, if you have a few bars, signal will just become worse, but you won't lose it completely.

[Q] Curing Deathgrip....

Does anyone think software update, custom roms, new radios, or kernals will be able to cure deathgrip to an extent where the level is acceptable.
my sensation wifi deathgrip doesnt bother me much, its the deathgrip for the antenna, i just hold it naturally and it drops from 3 4 bars to 0-2 bars.
also unknowingly i have dropped a call twice

ikhzter said:
Does anyone think software update, custom roms, new radios, or kernals will be able to cure deathgrip to an extent where the level is acceptable.
my sensation wifi deathgrip doesnt bother me much, its the deathgrip for the antenna, i just hold it naturally and it drops from 3 4 bars to 0-2 bars.
also unknowingly i have dropped a call twice
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Its the design of the case. Take the back case off and its even worse.

lightforce said:
Its the design of the case. Take the back case off and its even worse.
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yeh i know, i dont like it, wifi isnt an issue for me i can cope with holding it, but i feel the network signal isnt as good as it should be, i have had two calls drop unknowingly, not sure if it was sensations fault or not, but compared to my dhd im always one or two bars down, sometimes none while my dhd does have signal

This only causes an issue if you have a very weak signal, it really isn't worth worrying about, none of the top end Android phones (or iPhone for that matter) are good to have if you're in bad signal areas.
Calls shouldn't drop either, as more power is sent to the antenna when you're on a call. The severity of it seems to vary between the phones at the moment.

there are already 2 threads discussing the issue, why make another one?

xnifex said:
there are already 2 threads discussing the issue, why make another one?
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think software update, custom roms, new radios, or kernals will be able to cure deathgrip to an extent where the level is acceptable.
whether there is a chance these could improve it a little bit.

Not sure why but I'm feeling like beta tester of HTC Sensation.
I think everyone have problem with deathgrip its only depends how you holding the phone.
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joshua3m said:
Not sure why but I'm feeling like beta tester of HTC Sensation.
I think everyone have problem with deathgrip its only depends how you holding the phone.
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I disagree. I've tried holding the phone flat, smothering it, normally, I can't see a significant problem here. The signal (mobile or wifi) only drops if it is very weak to begin with, most phones have this problem.
It doesn't seem particularly potent to me at all.

Robboftw said:
I disagree. I've tried holding the phone flat, smothering it, normally, I can't see a significant problem here. The signal (mobile or wifi) only drops if it is very weak to begin with, most phones have this problem.
It doesn't seem particularly potent to me at all.
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I have no issues either.
I find that since I haven't viewed an example of said death grip, I haven't performed it. Once I see how it's done, it'll bug the never ending ****e out of me.
Out of sight out of mind.

im coming from a nexus s , now that had wifi signal problems.. this phone is hella better

Profondo_Rosso said:
I have no issues either.
I find that since I haven't viewed an example of said death grip, I haven't performed it. Once I see how it's done, it'll bug the never ending ****e out of me.
Out of sight out of mind.
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It wouldn't matter anyway as if you aren't having issues now you won't have issues while trying to perform it.

Robboftw said:
It wouldn't matter anyway as if you aren't having issues now you won't have issues while trying to perform it.
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cool i dont know why im letting it getting to me, i mean having one or 2 network bars isnt bad???

ikhzter said:
cool i dont know why im letting it getting to me, i mean having one or 2 network bars isnt bad???
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If your post is being sarcastic, then I advise you that you probably have a weak signal, and therefore you are experiencing other problems.
If you have a really strong signal with another phone and then lose it by doing the 'death grip' on your Sensation, your antenna is probably faulty.

I don't have any issues with my sensation ay all.

Could someone please try this. death gripped my antenna until I had no network signal. 0 bars
Made a cal with zero bars to the 02 pay and go top up line and to my other phone. Cal went through fine with 0 bars showing for network signal while deathgripped.
I can still make a clear cal while death gripping my network signal to zero bars.
Anyone else confirm this
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App

Death Grip

I just called HTC and had them send me out a new battery door. I was having problems with the signals. Have any of you had these same problems? If so have Yall got a replacement from HTC and did it fix the issue?
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

nope, haven't had any reception/signal issues at all.

I believe the death-grip affects your wi-fi signal. When I move my phone to landscape mode and hold it as indicated in some videos, momentarily a bar goes down in my wifi signal but nothing like an interuption. It doesn't drop (and reconnect) wifi either.
It seems to be a hit or a miss with these phones

sbihue said:
I believe the death-grip affects your wi-fi signal. When I move my phone to landscape mode and hold it as indicated in some videos, momentarily a bar goes down in my wifi signal but nothing like an interuption. It doesn't drop (and reconnect) wifi either.
It seems to be a hit or a miss with these phones
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This is why I'd really like it if someone who replaces their battery cover could post before and after wifi signal strength from the same location. It is possible that there has been a redesigned battery cover with a better antenna placement.

I only lost 1 signal bar so i think its normal - like other phones

I am currently having a HUGE problem with death grip. So bad that it drops my WiFi calling when im texting in landscape even from about 15 feet from my router. I am going to call HTC tomorrow and request a new back cover just because its a free step I can take to try and fix it.

seems like HTC have a problem with this model
i have to wait 7 days for my Sensation to come from service
then i will see what is the next step... media, solicitor .... we will see
signal its rubish anyway

silentsnow31802 said:
I am currently having a HUGE problem with death grip. So bad that it drops my WiFi calling when im texting in landscape even from about 15 feet from my router. I am going to call HTC tomorrow and request a new back cover just because its a free step I can take to try and fix it.
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ok... so after reading your post I decided to test it out. My router is on the 2nd floor in the study. I used landscape mode to send a couple of emails and texts from the first floor and outside my home. The signal dropped a couple of bars each time and recovered. Didn't drop the wifi signal for sure.
I think it is still a problem and HTC needs to get a fix out. Don't know if it will be a f/w or h/w but it needs to be out. I guess if everyone having this issue raises enough hell, HTC may act sooner.

The 4g phones seem to have a different placement of the wifi antenna and does not contain a death grip like problem due to this reposition.

You can higher the wifi signal (battery usage) in the wifi advanced settings.
Doesn´t help anyway?

All sensations will do this. Rooting the phone and installing custom ROM will fix the issue. Before if i placed my hand over the top of the phone, wifi would drop, sometimes even lose signal entirely. Now after root and ROM, it doesn't even drop one bit.
I was about to return my phone due to this issue, i am glad I waited a bit.

jjcobm said:
All sensations will do this. Rooting the phone and installing custom ROM will fix the issue. Before if i placed my hand over the top of the phone, wifi would drop, sometimes even lose signal entirely. Now after root and ROM, it doesn't even drop one bit.
I was about to return my phone due to this issue, i am glad I waited a bit.
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My phone is rooted (s-off) with all bloatware removed. Its still on stock ROM though.
Since we have S-OFF now, the custom ROM's for sensation have started to flow. Just waiting on those ROM's to be stable before deciding on which one to use.
BTW which ROM are you using!!!

Changing the back cover will make no difference. I got a replacement and saw no difference at all.

When I would go into landscape I would lose 1-2 wifi bars, but after I flashed Android Revolution 1.1.6 and kept the stock radio I started only losing 1 bar if any at all.

sbihue said:
My phone is rooted (s-off) with all bloatware removed. Its still on stock ROM though.
Since we have S-OFF now, the custom ROM's for sensation have started to flow. Just waiting on those ROM's to be stable before deciding on which one to use.
BTW which ROM are you using!!!
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I am using:
InsertCoin Sense Android 2.3.4 STABLE 1.2
I have tried them all. This one is by far the best for everyday use.
Everyone complaining about death grip. It's there on all phones, it will go away with a root and custom ROM.

I haven't experienced this at all. compared to my buddies iphone 4 where there is a serious death grip problem any drop in signal on my sensation is moot.

MonkeyK said:
This is why I'd really like it if someone who replaces their battery cover could post before and after wifi signal strength from the same location. It is possible that there has been a redesigned battery cover with a better antenna placement.
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I've heard that it does, but I'm still waiting on mine to arrive. We have FAR FAR lower signal strength with this phone than with our other phones (motorola cliq / mytouch 4g's)
I just checked and I'm on zero bars right now. I usually have 4 bars right here with my other phone. It's rediculous. Holding the phone reduces my signal strength by ~40-50%. It can completely lose signal, right under a tower (in visual range) if you hold your hand flat against the back.
Flashindude said:
I only lost 1 signal bar so i think its normal - like other phones
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For many people, this is not the case. I know there are different revisions for the back cover. I think it is due to that.
jjcobm said:
I am using:
InsertCoin Sense Android 2.3.4 STABLE 1.2
I have tried them all. This one is by far the best for everyday use.
Everyone complaining about death grip. It's there on all phones, it will go away with a root and custom ROM.
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Glad this is the case for you. It is not for me.

chisleu said:
I've heard that it does, but I'm still waiting on mine to arrive. We have FAR FAR lower signal strength with this phone than with our other phones (motorola cliq / mytouch 4g's)
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Did your wifi situation improve after u got the new cover? my device sucks.. it drops all the way down to zero.. thinking of getting the g2x instead

Signal is good when phone is turned to 2G only, so this appears to be a firmw-/software issue rather than a battery-cover issue.

I had the same problem when i first recieved the devie but as you say custom rom sorted that

sensation 4g losing wifi bars

HI guys..
I've a sensation 4g (tmous) with arhd 6.7 (but it does the same with stock rom..
As soon as i cover my phone with the case i notice losing a bar of signal, and if i grab the upper part of the phone I completely lost signal!!!
Can anyone of you try and see if is it normal?
Thank you and sorry for my bad english

It's normal as you're covering up the antenna.

On the Sensation the antenna is the whole back cover, and so holding it in a certain manner makes it lose signal. It is one the really annoying things with the poor loudspeaker that makes this phone not live up to the standards we are used to and often annoys me.

i swear my wifi connection is so erratic. sometimes i get awesome connections, sometimes it doesn't connect at all. sometimes my phone has full bars but won't connect.
while i do think it's the sensation to a certain extent... i also think you gotta consider the signal quality and strength of the actual wifi too. technology... sometimes ya love it... a lotta times you are confused and frustrated with it. haha.

Totally normal. Unfortunately.

We share all the same feature "death grip" refer to mobile reviews like gsmarena
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[Q] Dying radio

Hello.
I had the Sensation for almost a year now, thanks to all the developers who help make this POS still usable.
There is a problem, or so I think. The signal quality decreased over the last month or so. I used to have all the bars at my house and 2 bars at school. Now I get 2 bars at home and nothing, not even edge at school. The connection is also very weak in terms of stability, I used to be able to browse the internet while riding the subway (above ground), can't do the same now, it will drop the signal.
Changing roms didn't do anything, nor did the flashing of the different radios. Currently on stock and 3.32, S-off.
Is it possible that radio module was damaged somehow which resulted in poor signal reception?

SMGed said:
Hello.
I had the Sensation for almost a year now, thanks to all the developers who help make this POS still usable.
There is a problem, or so I think. The signal quality decreased over the last month or so. I used to have all the bars at my house and 2 bars at school. Now I get 2 bars at home and nothing, not even edge at school. The connection is also very weak in terms of stability, I used to be able to browse the internet while riding the subway (above ground), can't do the same now, it will drop the signal.
Changing roms didn't do anything, nor did the flashing of the different radios. Currently on stock and 3.32, S-off.
Is it possible that radio module was damaged somehow which resulted in poor signal reception?
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Remember that our Sensations (the majority, the mine for example) have the Death Grip problem.
... backward of the hard case there are some gold pins, these are the antennaes (GPS, wifi, radio/signal...)... in your case You can try to "clean" the pins of the signal (two gold pins, D/E ones in the attachment) with an eraser.

padre629 said:
Remember that our Sensations (the majority, the mine for example) have the Death Grip problem.
... backward of the hard case there are some gold pins, these are the antennaes (GPS, wifi, radio/signal...)... in your case You can try to "clean" the pins of the signal (two gold pins, D/E ones in the attachment) with an eraser.
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Well aware of death drip, it never bothered me unless I did that on purpose.
I tried cleaning contacts, to no avail. I've even tried different back cover from another sensation (which gets signal), the other person was able to get signal on his phone with my cover. Guess it's not the contacts.
Any thoughts?

Ummmmm.... the problem seems to be hardware issue (when flashing new roms/radios/ril doesn't function)

padre629 said:
Ummmmm.... the problem seems to be hardware issue (when flashing new roms/radios/ril doesn't function)
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Great, now I can get something new and still have clear conscience