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I don't intend to offend rom maintainers
nor do I intend to discredit any of their work
but when the first three pages of the "Development" sub-forum
are almost all rom threads there seems to be a better way.
While there surely is a lot of "Dev" work involved in many ( but not all)
of the custom roms here. it is the "Dev" work that should be discussed
in the "Dev" sub-forum. there is nothing really being discussed in most of
these Rom threads that deserve being in the "Dev" forum.
much like someone posting a thread about an app or a theme or a question about
what case is the best for under $10, these all belong in something other than the "dev" forum.
I am sure this will piss off many here but I only intend to help this be a more
organized forum.
but in the fashion of "Majority rules"
I would like to put this to a vote to see just how many agree with my thinking>
and then maybe if we see an overwhelming amount in agreement to this
we can request a sub-forum to be created from the admins.
I totally agree, I love this site but it can be hard to find what your looking for. Something like
Android development:
rom discussion
roms
mods
modems
themes
and stickies on how to manage the files for each category.
just a suggestion, don't crucify me!
I hate to say this but it wont happen. It has always been set up for as rom dev where the roms are to be posted as most development work is done
off site.
I am gonna close this up now
I'll get straight to the point....
Despite stickys and forum announcements most of us are still finding ourselves becoming terribly, terribly vexed at the amount of [Q]'s cluttering the dev section...
Therefore, from now on, if you do not follow the rules outlined below, you will be infracted. Break them again and you may find yourself unable to post anything at all on any forum!!
[Q]Surely thats a bit harsh aint it??
[A]Not really....
We've tried to be nice about it but that clearly doesnt work.
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If you cannot read and abide by the simple rules in this sticky then I dont know how you're going to manage to hack your device without running into trouble.
The Dev section is NOT for asking questions.....
The Dev section is NOT for general topics..........
All threads posted MUST be prefixed with a description of the thread, [ROM] / [Kernel] etc etc.....*
*(Not planning on being particuarly strict on this. You guys (the devs), know how to title a thread.... just a pointer for new devs.)
Basically, unless your thread is to actually release something or discuss something of a very technical and n00b unfriendly nature, it doesnt belong here!
Pretty simple really.....
If you see something that shouldnt be here then PM me....
I will try to check in as reguarly as I can but I have a few sections to keep an eye on and believe it or not, a life outside XDA
Yes thats right, there is life outside XDA
I moved all the stock Roms to the General Section in an effort to keep the Development forums for Developing roms.
zelendel said:
I moved all the stock Roms to the General Section in an effort to keep the Development forums for Developing roms.
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The issues I see with this is 1: it causes fragmentation on where to find ROMs and 2: if the person who put out the ROM decides at a later date to start customizing beyond stock, it is then technically in the wrong section unless they create a new thread in development
beerbaronstatic said:
The issues I see with this is 1: it causes fragmentation on where to find ROMs and 2: if the person who put out the ROM decides at a later date to start customizing beyond stock, it is then technically in the wrong section unless they create a new thread in development
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I will be making a sticky with the links to the stock roms. And sense there really shouldnt be more then one thread for the stock release it will keep things a little cleaner. If they decide to make a custom rom off the stock then they are free to make a thread in the Dev section for the custom rom and its Development. This is the way it is done in the Captivate section that I came from and a few other devices and has worked out pretty well in keeping only Dev related things in the Dev section
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I will be making a sticky with the links to the stock roms. And sense there really shouldnt be more then one thread for the stock release it will keep things a little cleaner. If they decide to make a custom rom off the stock then they are free to make a thread in the Dev section for the custom rom and its Development. This is the way it is done in the Captivate section that I came from and a few other devices and has worked out pretty well in keeping only Dev related things in the Dev section
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Sounds good, thanks for the reply!
Ok guys I am in the process of making Q&A threads in the Q&A section for each rom. Please use these before opening new threads. In an effort to clean up the forums I will be removing out dated threads and cleaning things up. I am hoping this will reduce the clutter in the threads and will help new people find answers easier.
Oh I am so confused. LOL. You are the boss zelendel and I don't want to cross you anymore. So now we have QnA for each ROM, can we not post anything anymore in the Dev's thread? Most everything posted in a Dev's thread is a question of some sort. Can you add this, why did you do this, can you fix this, is this happening to anybody else, and so on.....
What are we allowed to post there? I mean it is so different than almost every other section here on the forum. Cross posters from other sections will continue to post as they always have. I don't want to come across as a dumb butt as I am not. I happen to be an admin and mod on 8 other phone forums. But not developer forums which this is. But to find a ROM I have to look in 2 different sections and ask questions about it in a third. How is this cleaning anything up?
The Q&A threads are for general ROM related questions like how do i flash this, ect. It also saves the kids from having to go around deleting the threads that are used to by pass the 10 post rule just so they can post a question in the dev section. The main ROM threads are for technical discussions. You can still post there but this will remove a lot of the junk from the dev threads.
I use this set up in the captivate section and it was well recieved by users and Developers alike. It kept the dev threads cleaned up and people still could ask their questions without needing 10 posts.
This is test run 2 of this set up. If it works out again then it just may become the norm. One thread to get the ROM and one for questions.
zelendel said:
The Q&A threads are for general ROM related questions like how do i flash this, ect. It also saves the kids from having to go around deleting the threads that are used to by pass the 10 post rule just so they can post a question in the dev section. The main ROM threads are for technical discussions. You can still post there but this will remove a lot of the junk from the dev threads.
I use this set up in the captivate section and it was well recieved by users and Developers alike. It kept the dev threads cleaned up and people still could ask their questions without needing 10 posts.
This is test run 2 of this set up. If it works out again then it just may become the norm. One thread to get the ROM and one for questions.
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Sorry dude but that is not organized at all the post will get lost you should keep all ROM's and posting related to said ROM together. And I was on the Captivate forum didn't work there either IMO..
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Sorry dude but that is not organized at all the post will get lost you should keep all ROM's and posting related to said ROM together. And I was on the Captivate forum didn't work there either IMO..
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I have to agree this does not seem to make much sense. Instead of keeping all the rom threads together they will now be dispersed among the 4 sub-forums?
Why is the date in not American? I just had to point that out.
Was this really a problem that needed fixing? While yes there were a lot of stupid questions at times, the open discussion about the ROM performance, tips, tweaks, and problems leads to many people who aren't in the development process sharing information with each other and the developers, and leads to everyone being able to help each other figure things out. Now it just seems like people are going to be confused as to where to talk about the ROM, as all the information will be fragmented now. It would make more sense to just rename the Dev section to something like "ROM Development And Discussion" and create a new section with limited access threads that would be like a ROM library and newsletter. That way, one could go there to get the latest downloads and information, and still be able to get help and discuss the ROM in the same place they always have. Of course, this is just my opinion, did you ever think about starting a discussion with everyone to get ideas and opinions on how things should be sorted?
And IMHO, phrases like "Iron Fist" and "only gonna ask once" aren't a quality examples of good people skills. Maybe something like, I dunno, asking someone to make changes to facilitate the move to a new format might work better.
Thank you this was a helpful post, im use to ROM with windows phone new to android
you guys here are always wanting to keep this forum tidy and organised, therefore how would people like a sup forum just for stable released roms allowing users to easily browse what is on offer and keep up to date
For every other device, that's what the rom development sub forum is.
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yes but this forum is a mix between questions about s-off, questions about rom requests ect, what i am saying is a forum for full stable releases dev section used for dev requests i.e remove this software for this rom, ect, i.e development.... a sub forum for stable rom releases i.e out of development
Agree there sholud be no [Q] threads in the DEV section, kinda like this thread you started.
As the Dev's start refining their Roms they will update their respective threads with their stable releases so I really don't see a need for this....I want all my DEV. related threads in one spot. This is how its done in all the other forums, ONE Dev. section, so if your a noob and its confusing for you, I think the searching and reading will help you in the long run become more efficient at using the forums. We encourage people to search and research and become pro active in helping themselves....
all the how-to and guides should be moved to general except what is known as the bible, which should be stickied at the top here...
with soff, this exploded, give time for things to settle down a bit.
killster
Posting threads like this doesn't help.
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Kurisu87 said:
yes but this forum is a mix between questions about s-off, questions about rom requests ect, what i am saying is a forum for full stable releases dev section used for dev requests i.e remove this software for this rom, ect, i.e development.... a sub forum for stable rom releases i.e out of development
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When are ROMs really ever "out of development"? Devs are constantly updating, fixing bugs, adding features, etc. Anyway, we just got S-OFF so nothing is going to be 100% stable at the moment as people are just now getting the chance to test these ROMs. Things will settle down and get organized soon.
The current forum lineup is the way things are going to stay for right now. Give the development section time, as new things are posted...the old things will be buried.
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I just wanted to quell some of the confusion Reguarding Topics , What goes into the Dev section, General Section Q N A etc.
Development section,
Roms Tweaks Kernels
What the dev's truly want in there threads is this Bug Tracking Logcat's (minus your personal info Please prune the logcat or expunge your personal info and Imei number if its listed)
These threads are For development.
General section pretty much anything goes normally its a off topic discussion thread.
Q N A section
This is where Ultimately And the mods do try there best to Migrate posts to this.
This Sub fourm is what its actually intended for Simple questions like Do i need to flash this or wipe that what are the mounts so on so forth those do not belong in the Dev threads..
Also most Mods normally stick guides in there How to use a rom kitchen so on so forth..
Themes sub fourm
As applicable questions regarding how to theme a rom or how to modify status bars etc..
Normally also includes other peoples themes so on so forth etc...
I know this is just a simple synapse as to the general layout and i am in no means the mod of the sgs4g section of xda. But Generally thats what the fourm layout is for..
@Raver
+1
+1 raver
i remem once upon a time i made a thread like this and got my ass flamed, i agree with you 100% im just saying be prepared to get flamed by the assholes
The only thing I see missing is a guide to people creating stuff in the Dev section. Like starting a q&a thread once you release a [dev][rom][tweak] or the likes. Making sure its linked in the op of your thread.
I mention this because people are more likely to post questions in a q&a thread started by the dev then little billy that has 3 posts and never posts again. Plus if a dev starts it people will think since he started it he is monitoring it.
Hello people and hopefully administration. I was just wondering if we could clean up the development section of some sticky threads. There are a lot of threads out of date or not really needed. I mean, just look how far down you have to scroll to see the first legit post. I have never seen an XDA dev section with so much stuff. Just a suggestion. Even if only one or two threads are removed, it's getting ridiculous.
Happy XDA'ing, Happy One S. -CSP