Ok we all know firmware mods are popular, and we have been seeing many many questions about the sapphire/JF mods that would be better organized in a separate forum like xda-developers > Dream > Firmware Hacking & Modification
So place your vote above and post any comments/ideas you may have.
Don't see the need for it. Besides similar requests have been asked for before and shot down.
yeah i dont think its necessary either, plus mods have enough work on food on there plate, i think it looks messy because of the redundant threads
No, it's not needed But.... we need threads to be closed after a major release of a newer build
(ie H 5.03) and open a new thread. Thats what folks do in the WM rom threads elsewhere in this forum. Closing and locking thread but not deleting will keep them from growing to a gigantic size like the sapphire/magic rom port thread. But its up to the thread creator to do so...
Is it really that big of an endeavor to add a subforum for firmware mods?
ncoop23 said:
Is it really that big of an endeavor to add a subforum for firmware mods?
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I'd imagine not, but apparently moderators cannot make site changes. Only the administrator (Flar) can do that.
Meanwhile, many of the knowledgeable members (Don't see JF or Koush around much these days?) of the forum get tired of reading the same "omg i ruined my apps-to-sd" or "how i get haykuro install" and stop reading the forum. Win-win for everyone?
Not needed being there's only 4-5 of them out there...
If there was anything, I would say a sub-forum of the theme section for themes ONLY. No questions etc...
You may have noticed a lot of thread have been moved to other forums.
I've just taken over as the mod of this fourm, and am trying to tidy it up a little.
Can everyone please refrain from posting any new threads in the DEV forum, unless it's for a new build or something related directly to development.
All other posts should go in the General or Themes & Apps forum.
Thanks
I don't intend to offend rom maintainers
nor do I intend to discredit any of their work
but when the first three pages of the "Development" sub-forum
are almost all rom threads there seems to be a better way.
While there surely is a lot of "Dev" work involved in many ( but not all)
of the custom roms here. it is the "Dev" work that should be discussed
in the "Dev" sub-forum. there is nothing really being discussed in most of
these Rom threads that deserve being in the "Dev" forum.
much like someone posting a thread about an app or a theme or a question about
what case is the best for under $10, these all belong in something other than the "dev" forum.
I am sure this will piss off many here but I only intend to help this be a more
organized forum.
but in the fashion of "Majority rules"
I would like to put this to a vote to see just how many agree with my thinking>
and then maybe if we see an overwhelming amount in agreement to this
we can request a sub-forum to be created from the admins.
I totally agree, I love this site but it can be hard to find what your looking for. Something like
Android development:
rom discussion
roms
mods
modems
themes
and stickies on how to manage the files for each category.
just a suggestion, don't crucify me!
I hate to say this but it wont happen. It has always been set up for as rom dev where the roms are to be posted as most development work is done
off site.
I am gonna close this up now
I'll get straight to the point....
Despite stickys and forum announcements most of us are still finding ourselves becoming terribly, terribly vexed at the amount of [Q]'s cluttering the dev section...
Therefore, from now on, if you do not follow the rules outlined below, you will be infracted. Break them again and you may find yourself unable to post anything at all on any forum!!
[Q]Surely thats a bit harsh aint it??
[A]Not really....
We've tried to be nice about it but that clearly doesnt work.
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If you cannot read and abide by the simple rules in this sticky then I dont know how you're going to manage to hack your device without running into trouble.
The Dev section is NOT for asking questions.....
The Dev section is NOT for general topics..........
All threads posted MUST be prefixed with a description of the thread, [ROM] / [Kernel] etc etc.....*
*(Not planning on being particuarly strict on this. You guys (the devs), know how to title a thread.... just a pointer for new devs.)
Basically, unless your thread is to actually release something or discuss something of a very technical and n00b unfriendly nature, it doesnt belong here!
Pretty simple really.....
If you see something that shouldnt be here then PM me....
I will try to check in as reguarly as I can but I have a few sections to keep an eye on and believe it or not, a life outside XDA
Yes thats right, there is life outside XDA
I moved all the stock Roms to the General Section in an effort to keep the Development forums for Developing roms.
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I moved all the stock Roms to the General Section in an effort to keep the Development forums for Developing roms.
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The issues I see with this is 1: it causes fragmentation on where to find ROMs and 2: if the person who put out the ROM decides at a later date to start customizing beyond stock, it is then technically in the wrong section unless they create a new thread in development
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The issues I see with this is 1: it causes fragmentation on where to find ROMs and 2: if the person who put out the ROM decides at a later date to start customizing beyond stock, it is then technically in the wrong section unless they create a new thread in development
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I will be making a sticky with the links to the stock roms. And sense there really shouldnt be more then one thread for the stock release it will keep things a little cleaner. If they decide to make a custom rom off the stock then they are free to make a thread in the Dev section for the custom rom and its Development. This is the way it is done in the Captivate section that I came from and a few other devices and has worked out pretty well in keeping only Dev related things in the Dev section
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I will be making a sticky with the links to the stock roms. And sense there really shouldnt be more then one thread for the stock release it will keep things a little cleaner. If they decide to make a custom rom off the stock then they are free to make a thread in the Dev section for the custom rom and its Development. This is the way it is done in the Captivate section that I came from and a few other devices and has worked out pretty well in keeping only Dev related things in the Dev section
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Sounds good, thanks for the reply!
Ok guys I am in the process of making Q&A threads in the Q&A section for each rom. Please use these before opening new threads. In an effort to clean up the forums I will be removing out dated threads and cleaning things up. I am hoping this will reduce the clutter in the threads and will help new people find answers easier.
Oh I am so confused. LOL. You are the boss zelendel and I don't want to cross you anymore. So now we have QnA for each ROM, can we not post anything anymore in the Dev's thread? Most everything posted in a Dev's thread is a question of some sort. Can you add this, why did you do this, can you fix this, is this happening to anybody else, and so on.....
What are we allowed to post there? I mean it is so different than almost every other section here on the forum. Cross posters from other sections will continue to post as they always have. I don't want to come across as a dumb butt as I am not. I happen to be an admin and mod on 8 other phone forums. But not developer forums which this is. But to find a ROM I have to look in 2 different sections and ask questions about it in a third. How is this cleaning anything up?
The Q&A threads are for general ROM related questions like how do i flash this, ect. It also saves the kids from having to go around deleting the threads that are used to by pass the 10 post rule just so they can post a question in the dev section. The main ROM threads are for technical discussions. You can still post there but this will remove a lot of the junk from the dev threads.
I use this set up in the captivate section and it was well recieved by users and Developers alike. It kept the dev threads cleaned up and people still could ask their questions without needing 10 posts.
This is test run 2 of this set up. If it works out again then it just may become the norm. One thread to get the ROM and one for questions.
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The Q&A threads are for general ROM related questions like how do i flash this, ect. It also saves the kids from having to go around deleting the threads that are used to by pass the 10 post rule just so they can post a question in the dev section. The main ROM threads are for technical discussions. You can still post there but this will remove a lot of the junk from the dev threads.
I use this set up in the captivate section and it was well recieved by users and Developers alike. It kept the dev threads cleaned up and people still could ask their questions without needing 10 posts.
This is test run 2 of this set up. If it works out again then it just may become the norm. One thread to get the ROM and one for questions.
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Sorry dude but that is not organized at all the post will get lost you should keep all ROM's and posting related to said ROM together. And I was on the Captivate forum didn't work there either IMO..
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Sorry dude but that is not organized at all the post will get lost you should keep all ROM's and posting related to said ROM together. And I was on the Captivate forum didn't work there either IMO..
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I have to agree this does not seem to make much sense. Instead of keeping all the rom threads together they will now be dispersed among the 4 sub-forums?
Why is the date in not American? I just had to point that out.
Was this really a problem that needed fixing? While yes there were a lot of stupid questions at times, the open discussion about the ROM performance, tips, tweaks, and problems leads to many people who aren't in the development process sharing information with each other and the developers, and leads to everyone being able to help each other figure things out. Now it just seems like people are going to be confused as to where to talk about the ROM, as all the information will be fragmented now. It would make more sense to just rename the Dev section to something like "ROM Development And Discussion" and create a new section with limited access threads that would be like a ROM library and newsletter. That way, one could go there to get the latest downloads and information, and still be able to get help and discuss the ROM in the same place they always have. Of course, this is just my opinion, did you ever think about starting a discussion with everyone to get ideas and opinions on how things should be sorted?
And IMHO, phrases like "Iron Fist" and "only gonna ask once" aren't a quality examples of good people skills. Maybe something like, I dunno, asking someone to make changes to facilitate the move to a new format might work better.
Thank you this was a helpful post, im use to ROM with windows phone new to android
Now that we have one-click root and one-click bootloader tools for everyone, this forum has exploded, which is to be expected. However, because of this, the HOX XL forums are getting flooded with redundant threads being started and the same posts being posted.
Lets start things off right by first, searching the forums for a thread thats already been started and look for people that may have already encountered what you are experiencing and possibly have a fix for. If not, then you can post in that ALREADY EXISTING thread instead of starting a new thread.
When starting a new thread, it needs to go in the right section. If its a question, then it needs to go in the Q&A section. If its a generalized thread about something related to the HOX, then it goes in the General section.
NOTE: Questions should not be posted in the General section. The Development section is STRICTLY made for development. A new thread should not be started in the Development thread unless it is to introduce a new tool/guide/rom/kernel/radio... anything dev related. If you start a new thread in the Development section that is not development related, your thread will be deleted and you will be infracted. Let this be your final warning.
With all of this falling into place, the forums will be much cleaner and will function more smoothly. With that, the developers will be able to address issues more efficiently and will not feel overwhelmed. The last thing we want is for our developers to take time away from developing because of redundant posts asking "how do I do this?". We want them to continue on with development for our device, so lets help them out.
Do your part to take some time and search/read the forums because chances are, your question or issue has already been addressed. If this cant be done, then I will have to put on the gloves and start weeding out the trouble makers until this forum is back under control and operating smoothly.