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[Q] Question about s-off and revolutionary?

Hi All.
Quick question, I have rooted my sensation and s-off'ed, sweet.
Here is me question, what happens if our friends at HTC update the part that made the s-off possible? Will we get the updates or will only the users who did not tinker with the firmware get them?
Cheers folks.

HTC has stated that there new HTC-DEV site will be where you will be able to S-off your device, its not gonna come in an OTA push, IMO revolutionary has got us S-off, so who care what HTC has coming for S-off....its a little late, besides if you S-off with HTC they want to document who is S-offing their devices.......eff em and just enjoy your no strings attached S-off.

Number 1...It is never a good idea to take an OTA on your phone if you have it rooted.
Number 2...OTA's may contain patches to exploits that were used to obtain s-off.
Number 3...OTA's may or may not s-on your phone depending on how the devs obtained s-off in the first place.
Moral of the story is if you want to maintain root never OTA

i own a sensation device
if i use this revolutionary tool to s-off, recovery and root, is it possible to s-on later? (e.g. to give my phone to htc service to be in warranty)
If i just use the ruuxxxxxx.exe for my device to put the official rom , the phone will be s-on again? or is there any other way?
and wht about official OTA updates? how is going to be achieved?

There is a way to to gain s-on again but it's risky atm. Look for the guide in the stickies in the development forum.

You will not get an OTA on a rooted custom ROM.. end of story!!
So enjoy

emm_stra said:
i own a sensation device
if i use this revolutionary tool to s-off, recovery and root, is it possible to s-on later? (e.g. to give my phone to htc service to be in warranty)
If i just use the ruuxxxxxx.exe for my device to put the official rom , the phone will be s-on again? or is there any other way?
and wht about official OTA updates? how is going to be achieved?
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Yes it is possible to make you device s-on again just be sure to follow everything to the letter and don't screw up. Also why would you want to. If anything permanently root it and stick with that.
HTC Sensation Stock Perm_Rooted 4.3.3
HTC Sensation Stock Perm_Rooted 4.3.3

Bobguy21 said:
Yes it is possible to make you device s-on again just be sure to follow everything to the letter and don't screw up. Also why would you want to. If anything permanently root it and stick with that.
HTC Sensation Stock Perm_Rooted 4.3.3
HTC Sensation Stock Perm_Rooted 4.3.3
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thank you
what about the other questions???

Sorry it took so long you cannot update when rooted. Because of clockworkmod recovery. But just install a stock bases ROM the has the update like I did. hope this helps.
HTC Sensation LeeDroid 2.3.4 Perm_Rooted

[Q] Unlocking Bootloader

hi guys my sensation is s-off rooted and cwm recovery and now i wanna unlock the bootloader iv tryed htcdev bootloader unlocking with no joy any ideas thanks in advance

DanOMac said:
hi guys my sensation is s-off rooted and cwm recovery and now i wanna unlock the bootloader iv tryed htcdev bootloader unlocking with no joy any ideas thanks in advance
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Well since u went the revolutionary way ur all set to go as you got the best thing u can get, s-off. Plus I wouldn't even try goin the HTC route since I'm pretty sure it voids ur warranty(since they'll keep track of who uses it). And with the the revolutionary way, you can revert back to s-on if needed to send for warranty repair or sum
So go out and start flashing! (Well, roms ofcourse)
Sent by my feau gee

Thanks 4the info I only wanted it unlocked so I can change the splash image I will just have 2put up with the standard 1
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium

You can change it anyway if you're S-OFF - you don't need to unlock the bootloader

Any ideas how cos iv tried a few ways now with no luck
Catch up apple!!! Android is leaving you behind

after revelutionary S-OFF my sensation,,, i have flashed this file ftom this link int the first post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122053&highlight=eng+S-off
but be sure to read everything,,,,

piimp said:
Well since u went the revolutionary way ur all set to go as you got the best thing u can get, s-off. Plus I wouldn't even try goin the HTC route since I'm pretty sure it voids ur warranty(since they'll keep track of who uses it). And with the the revolutionary way, you can revert back to s-on if needed to send for warranty repair or sum
So go out and start flashing! (Well, roms ofcourse)
Sent by my feau gee
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It only voids your warranty if that (unlocked bootloader) was what caused your phone to malfunction. All other warranties on the phone stay the same.

DanOMac said:
hi guys my sensation is s-off rooted and cwm recovery and now i wanna unlock the bootloader
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It's already S-OFF, which means the bootloader is unlocked. It's simply called two things - S-OFF and unlocking the bootloader are the same process/thing.

Cheers guys but I still can't change the dam splash screen
Catch up apple!!! Android is leaving you behind

Finally all sorted i went from s-off RL to ENG s-off RL which has sorted my problem
Thanks to all that helped !!!

[Q] Risks and Rewards of an RUU?

I've looked in every RUU thread, but I can't seem to find a specific answer to 3 of my questions about them.
1) What are the risks to using an RUU? Do I risk bricking my Sensation if it fails at some point?
2) Will an RUU make my S-OFF Sensation become S-ON again, and if so, will the exploit I used (revolutionary.io, combo of alpharev & unrevoked) appear in the HBOOT screen?
3) In the unlikely event I need to send my Sensation in for warranty work, will an RUU be enough to return it to a serviceable state?

mitchsurp said:
I've looked in every RUU thread, but I can't seem to find a specific answer to 3 of my questions about them.
1) What are the risks to using an RUU? Do I risk bricking my Sensation if it fails at some point?
2) Will an RUU make my S-OFF Sensation become S-ON again, and if so, will the exploit I used (revolutionary.io, combo of alpharev & unrevoked) appear in the HBOOT screen?
3) In the unlikely event I need to send my Sensation in for warranty work, will an RUU be enough to return it to a serviceable state?
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1) Providing you dont yank the cable out at any point there are no risks flashing your phone with an RUU as this is the official method to update your phone.
2) No, an RUU will not make your phone S-On again you will need to follow the command explained in the Revolutionary post. Your HBoot will be replaced using the RUU to the stock therefore Revolutionary will not appear in Hboot.

[Q] confused with the terms.. need help with root

hi..
i am all stranger to HTC world.. i have been using galaxy s, s2 and ace.. things were easier when it came to rooting and flashing custom roms.. or at least there was less terms.. 3 days ago i bougth Sensation XE and since then i have been reading every page but the more i read, the more i get cunfused...
so, what i want is basically trying new kernels, OCing, using apps like setcpu or titanium backup etc.. in order to do these rooting the device was enough with the galaxy devices.. but here there are lots of terms..
here is what i think i understand;
S-off= this means unlocking the NAND part to be re-writable i guess.. the funny part is; i want to root the device and i guess i have to S-off the device but it says in order to S-off the device you must have alredy rooted it? or i am wrong?
Hboot version=i think this is very important since we have to choose the methots according to this... mine is 1.27.0000
super CID= no idea what this is.. but i assume it has no important role on rooting..
and there is the bootloader unlock option= htcdev.com is doing it but they say if i do it my phone is out of warranty.. it is just a 3 day phone and i dont want to lose the warranty... and i also have read some post about it not being a complete unlock.. so any method other then offical HTC ones would be better for not losing the warranty (i am sure even if i lock it back when its necessary, HTC will still have the records of me unlocking my device and wont let me use the warranty) ..
and there is this guide on the development section, it is really helpfull but the date of it tells me it was before ice cream sandwich update and 1.27.0000 hboot version and some of the instructions confirms that... so i guess i need some other method to root my device ... (after everything i am not even sure if the rooting is excatly what i need)
long story for short; i am lost among the terms and instructions.. especially after i tried to S-off my device in order to root and learnt it needed to be rooted first in order to be S-off .....
so please help me with the terms and instructions..
thanks ..

Okay, root is not needed to s off.
S-off disables the security on your bootloader.
Supercid means you can flash any piece of software no matter what area or network it was intended for, as each one has a cid code that restricts the software to the network or countrys phone e.g. unbranded sensations cid is HTC__001 and Vodafone would be VODA__xx. Supercid changes your cid to 11111111 which means everything that is protected by any cid code will work on your phone.
Back to s-off, using revolutionary tool is pretty easy as long as you follow the instructions correctly but will not work on hboot 1.27 so it requires downgrading using an ruu or eng. Hboot 1.17 or finding another method to s off 1.27, once s off using revolutionary all you have to do is flash a custom recovery and then flash superuser and voila your rooted. But you can also s-off, install custom recovery, upgrade firmware to 1.27 and flash a prerooted custom Rom which obviously does the trick. Just make sure to keep a track of what firmware you are on and make sure it works with what your doing and the Rom you're using. Oh and htcdev unlock is not necessary as you can flash a firmware with a unlocked bootloader plus revolutionary also unlocks bootloader. And as far as warranty goes, once s off or bootloader is unlocked your warranty is VOID.
Hope this helps
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

Fİnally! everything makes sense thanks a lot..
so the first step is to downgrade to a firmware which i can S-off and unlock, then to get back to pre-rooted version of my current firmware..
so i assume just like i can downgrade, S-off and unlock, i also can upgrade, S-on and lock back when i need the warranty?

Almost firmware contains the radio and Hboot etc, to obtain root you just first s off on the downgraded firmware, then upgrade to an unlocked firmware that is for ics. The firmware for ics is 3.32 which contains Hboot 1.27 but of course you cannot s off on this version of Hboot. Then flash a pre rooted ROM once you have gone back to ics firmware using a custom recovery. Once s off, you will not lose it when upgrading to a new firmware. But to s-on is risky but if you manage to do it without semi bricking your phone and then flash a locked bootloader HTC will never know you've voided your warranty as long as your on an unrooted Rom. I will pm you a great link for doing this and explaining as I know this is confusing. I won't post it here because its on another forum.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

this really explains everything.. its just like showing the entire map and also telling the route.. thank you very much, you are the best

No problem if you could hit the thanks button I would greatly appreciate it
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

[Q] NO HTCDEV and Warranty

Hi
I have a Sensation with stock 1.27 hboot
My warranty is for more 1 year.
Not really sure about something:
On juopunutbear official website it says that devices that can go htcdev bootloader unlock (like mine) will not use this no unlocking method.
My question is, can I do this without unlocking my bootloder via htcdev?
Also, if lets say I want to ship my device for warranty repair, can I undo this process? (s-on)
Thanks in advance
Uri

Uri1234 said:
Hi
I have a Sensation with stock 1.27 hboot
My warranty is for more 1 year.
Not really sure about something:
On juopunutbear official website it says that devices that can go htcdev bootloader unlock (like mine) will not use this no unlocking method.
My question is, can I do this without unlocking my bootloder via htcdev?
Also, if lets say I want to ship my device for warranty repair, can I undo this process? (s-on)
Thanks in advance
Uri
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yes you can do S-OFF without unlocking the bootloader
see here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661631
and yes you can go back again for S-ON

rzr86 said:
yes you can do S-OFF without unlocking the bootloader
see here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1661631
and yes you can go back again for S-ON
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Hi
Thanks for the quick reply.
Just to make sure, It says "If you are unable to get HTCDEV Unlock due to motherboard replacement please follow these instructions. These instructions are NOT for devices that are capable of achieving HTC Dev Unlock but you just don't want to."(from the official site).
I dont have motherboard replacment. Can I still do this method?
TNX

Uri1234 said:
Hi
Thanks for the quick reply.
Just to make sure, It says "If you are unable to get HTCDEV Unlock due to motherboard replacement please follow these instructions. These instructions are NOT for devices that are capable of achieving HTC Dev Unlock but you just don't want to."(from the official site).
I dont have motherboard replacment. Can I still do this method?
TNX
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Yes it will worked , I successfully s off my girlfriends sensation without HTC dev unlock ( hboot 1.27)
I use kgs utility for s off
And u need to accurate while doing wire trick without HTC dev unlocked...
Sent from my Sensation using xda app-developers app

Itsakash said:
Yes it will worked , I successfully s off my girlfriends sensation without HTC dev unlock ( hboot 1.27)
I use kgs utility for s off
And u need to accurate while doing wire trick without HTC dev unlocked...
Sent from my Sensation using xda app-developers app
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Is it safe to do this on a device that can go htcdev unlock?
Overall, is that process hard?
Uri

Uri1234 said:
Is it safe to do this on a device that can go htcdev unlock?
Overall, is that process hard?
Uri
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Follow all steps carefully.
Start with s off without HTC dev unlocked
If u feel wire trick is hard to do ,then unlock bootloader using HTC dev. . .. this may void your warranty..
It is easy to do wire trick after unlocked bootloader..
Sent from my Sensation using xda app-developers app

I don't recommend using HTCDev if you can get S-OFF. It forwards a unique device identifier so they can deny your warranty if you take it to HTC.
Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2

usaff22 said:
I don't recommend using HTCDev if you can get S-OFF. It forwards a unique device identifier so they can deny your warranty if you take it to HTC.
Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2
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that's true.there is no reason to do htcdev if you achieve S-OFF