It seems that the sensation already has functionality for the newly released Glonass satellites. According to a Dutch website the Qualcomm S2 and S3 chips already have support built in. Thus the phones already having support are HTC Desire HD, Incredible S and all Sony Ericsson Xperia phones from 2011, as well as recent BlackBerry's like the Bold 9900 and Torch 9860. Most importantly so do the HTC Sensation series and Evo 3D.
The Russian GPS alternative can only be used in conjunction with GPS
Manufacturers and operators must however enable Glonass. On which phones this already happened and how that will happen with updates is unclear.
What benefit can we get from this thinking about gps lock an accuracy since it's already in our sensation but probably not activated yet.
Here is a movie from Qualcomm explaining about Glonass and smartphones with their chipset.
Video
and a link to the site (it's in Dutch)
This is interesting, certainly, but even if the functionality is "available" in a chipset it's not necessarily usable. It probably requires a different antenna design or something, similar to how you need a different antenna for LTE and GSM because they're on different frequencies.
I've contacted @SnapDragon on Twitter, and they've said that it's indeed on our phones but it all depends on HTC on unlocking it for us to use. I'm guessing it's all in the radio, Devs gotta look it up and hopefully enable it?
Usually if something's disabled on a hardware level it requires more than just clever rom hackers to enable it, and even then it's not perfect. HTC would need to release official drivers or something.
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I've contacted @SnapDragon on Twitter, and they've said that it's indeed on our phones but it all depends on HTC on unlocking it for us to use. I'm guessing it's all in the radio, Devs gotta look it up and hopefully enable it?
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Haha, I just read your tweet. I don't think HTC will go out of their way to enable it, but we'll see.
Here's a link to Qualcomm enabling GLONASS in English.
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/qualcomm-enables-dual-core-location-on-snapdragon-phones/
http://www.qualcomm.com/blog/2011/12/15/gps-and-glonass-dual-core-location-your-phone
The official Qualcomm article on it says that the T-Mobile S2 has it enabled, maybe we can port their drivers to our phone?
qualcomm made best gps chpisets in mobile phone and im happy i have perfect position accuracy thanks qualcomm (my friend with sgs2 have poor accuracy and must wait every time few minutes to lock gps - with turned off data)
Any news on this? I bought an XE a couple of weeks back and I was just reading about GLONASS, ending up in this thread...
Rubman said:
It seems that the sensation already has functionality for the newly released Glonass satellites. According to a Dutch website the Qualcomm S2 and S3 chips already have support built in. Thus the phones already having support are HTC Desire HD, Incredible S and all Sony Ericsson Xperia phones from 2011, as well as recent BlackBerry's like the Bold 9900 and Torch 9860. Most importantly so do the HTC Sensation series and Evo 3D.
The Russian GPS alternative can only be used in conjunction with GPS
Manufacturers and operators must however enable Glonass. On which phones this already happened and how that will happen with updates is unclear.
What benefit can we get from this thinking about gps lock an accuracy since it's already in our sensation but probably not activated yet.
Here is a movie from Qualcomm explaining about Glonass and smartphones with their chipset.
Video
and a link to the site (it's in Dutch)
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xdviper said:
I've contacted @SnapDragon on Twitter, and they've said that it's indeed on our phones but it all depends on HTC on unlocking it for us to use. I'm guessing it's all in the radio, Devs gotta look it up and hopefully enable it?
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Usually if something's disabled on a hardware level it requires more than just clever rom hackers to enable it, and even then it's not perfect. HTC would need to release official drivers or something.
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Great find Rubman. This is rather interesting.
I do hope HTC and our community can figure this out quickly!
GLONASS is very cool, the name alone is kickass. I love seeing new technology come out every day.
Sony Ericsson is gonna enable GLONASS on a bunch of of Xperia phones
Samsung is gonna do the same for the Galaxy Note. Hopefully HTC will wake up and join the trend...
//lys
This maybe due to the fact, that Russia is planning on forcing a increased tax on navstar GPS devices which are not capable of using GLONASS GPS:
To improve development of the user segment, on August 11, 2010, Sergei Ivanov announced a plan to introduce a 25% import duty on all GPS-capable devices, including mobile phones, unless they are compatible with GLONASS. As well, the government is planning to force all car manufacturers in Russia to make cars with GLONASS starting from 2011. This will affect all car makers, including foreign brands like Ford and Toyota, which have car assembly facilities in Russia.
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via "Сотовые и навигаторы без ГЛОНАСС обложат пошлиной в 25% [Non-GLONASS-capable mobiles and satnavs will incur 25% duty]" (in Russian). RBC. 2010-10-27. Retrieved 2010-10-27.
(Coppied that section from Wikipedia, would provide the source link, but don't have enough posts yet.)
The company I work for includes GLONASS GPS receivers in their devices (no phones) for this reason.
GPS is super accurate on my sensation, and Lock is within a few seconds. Way better than my n1 . Why would I want to further drain my phone? It would be cool as a hack, but nothing more to me.
mrbkkt1 said:
GPS is super accurate on my sensation, and Lock is within a few seconds. Way better than my n1 . Why would I want to further drain my phone? It would be cool as a hack, but nothing more to me.
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GPS reception had improved significantly from my Diamond HD to my Desire HD and then took another leap forward when I got me my Sensation XE (and my wife's Wildfire S, for that matter!). Much faster locking and quite accurate. Even locks from within the appartment!
That said, there are times where it shows some deficiencies, especially when I'm stopped. GLONASS is supposed to offer much higher accuracy - and let's face it, more is better
Who knows, maybe you can disable GPS and switch to GLONASS altogether...?
Although the Sensation id better than the Desire S & Desire HD. The HD2 is still WAY BETTER than the Sensation, even with all the GPS tweaks, the HD2 running old Windows Mobile can get a lock in a few seconds even if GPS has not been running for weeks, even without a SIM card & without wifi (no aGPS).
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Although the Sensation id better than the Desire S & Desire HD. The HD2 is still WAY BETTER than the Sensation, even with all the GPS tweaks, the HD2 running old Windows Mobile can get a lock in a few seconds even if GPS has not been running for weeks, even without a SIM card & without wifi (no aGPS).
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HD2? Better? Aw, come on, maybe if you live on a satellite
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HD2? Better? Aw, come on, maybe if you live on a satellite
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Yes, also my good old HD (without 2 ) has a better GPS reception than my Sensation now. Sees on average 1-2 satellites more and the satellites it sees have on average a 10% better S/N.
So indeed, it would be highly appreciated from my side to also have GLONASS support on the Sensation. And as GLONASS is only "turned on" when GPS reception is poor, this would not mean too much additional battery drain...
As it seems that HTC will be forced to support GLONASS by the Russian government, I hope that it will only be a matter of time before this comes true...
The Whistler
+1 about HTC and Russia.
Who knows, maybe it was just me, with all my WinMo devices the experience sucked pretty often, with total blackouts. Even my wife's Wildfire S is able to lock in a couple of seconds and without having to hold it against a window as was the case with my older devices. Maybe it's geography-related? I'm in Greece...
krakout said:
+1 about HTC and Russia.
Who knows, maybe it was just me, with all my WinMo devices the experience sucked pretty often, with total blackouts. Even my wife's Wildfire S is able to lock in a couple of seconds and without having to hold it against a window as was the case with my older devices. Maybe it's geography-related? I'm in Greece...
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Based on your experience, I would say its "aGPS" related. As in "assisted GPS that is supposed to be enabled/featured by your operator. As I remeber, Windows Mobile never had "aGPS", so it would make sense that you Android devices are taking advantage of aGPS compared to the WM devices.
Try this, remove SIM cards & turn off wifi to make sure aGPS is not used, then try to get a cold lock.
WinMo did have aGPS. I remember actually downloading and updating the ephemeris manually in desperation to try and get something to show up...
Nice idea, just tried it; got 9 satelites within 4 seconds!
hi. nothing new about sensation and glonass?
omar302 said:
Although the Sensation id better than the Desire S & Desire HD. The HD2 is still WAY BETTER than the Sensation, even with all the GPS tweaks, the HD2 running old Windows Mobile can get a lock in a few seconds even if GPS has not been running for weeks, even without a SIM card & without wifi (no aGPS).
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The Hd2 GPS really is phenomenal. I pulled out my old hd2 the other day. Or hasn't been powered up since October, and GPS locked within seconds. (And I was inside)I was thinking there was something wrong with my sensation, but now that I see this it makes me feel better. Hd2 just had awesome gps.
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Basically I am looking to buy a PDA or smartphone or something. Hope this is the right place to ask. I will NOT be using it to place calls so carrier does not matter. Only will be used as a hobby device for modding and using WIFI internet on the road when I do not bring my laptop.
I was hoping that prices would be down on PDAs since many people are basically using an all in one phone that takes the place of a PDA.
I am hoping for it to be about $100 or less. I have seen some on eBay that look like they would work. EX: HTC Dash
What I would like it to have is:
Windows Mobile 5 at least, preferably 6.
WIFI-ready
GPS
Java. So I can add java games and apps.
Also, if I get this HTC Dash Tmobile it comes with WinMobile 5 but I have read you can flash a new rom on Dash 3g to 6 or 6.5. Has anyone done it with Dash?
What is the best device with a good community behind it?
Does the type of device I get limit my ability to run certain programs? Like by resolution or if I get a touch screen vs physical keyboard.
Does a Smartphone have any benefit over a PDA besides being able to make calls?
Would a smartphone be locked down by the carrier in the case of the Tmobile phone?
Any help would be appreciated. I am trying to get the most for my money but it is a unique situation since I do not need to make phone calls.
Hi & welcome,
The s620 is a good choice for $100 should be easy to find as in the UK they go for about £100.
Lots of modding can be done Excalibur forum 6.1 & 6.5 available.
Regards carrier they will be locked down unless stated by seller unlocked, in the forum noted STICKY there are 2 x unlocking services available that are cheap and reliable.
The Marketplace has a couple of s620's available.
Smartphones are more limited by software but is still a big choice available
There rock solid devices and work very well for cheap layout.
Hope that helps.
Yes that is very informative.
The Excalibur/Dash is the same phone, just rebranded for TMobile?
Also, if I get a locked phone can I use this in the forums "SDA_ApplicationUnlock.zip" to install WM6.5 Roms and basically any app that will work with an Excalibur? Or would I be better off finding an unlocked phone from the start.
Thanks for the help. I am just getting started with smartphones
Excalibur/Dash same just like you say different names due to carriers.
When i said locked meant as SIM, with regards flashing a new ROM some phones are just very much a plug in and flash and others will need SP_AllowCertificateInstall & SDA_ApplicationUnlock info here
Take a look through the STICKY as will give you an idea of what can be done
Happy to help.
Edit: Forgot to say when looking to purchase make sure the model has Wi-Fi, as there are a few models that don't.
Thanks alot for all the help.
Now I better understand what locking means in regards to the SIM card use.
But for me since I am not going to use the phone part. A locked vs unlocked phone should not affect me either way. Am I right?
^Right, U don't need it for WiFi use only...
Great. I think that is all I need for now until I buy something.
Thanks again
I think a HTC Touch is more of what I would like because it has the touchscreen, so it seems easier to use.
A new problem I have found is that some phones say they have GPS but it is not true GPS with a chip in the phone, but gets location from cell towers.
What is the best way to lookup if a phone has true GPS so I can use it without cell service? Where it gets my location from satellites.
Would looking on the htcwiki tell me what kind of GPS a device has?
bigzdog said:
I think a HTC Touch is more of what I would like because it has the touchscreen, so it seems easier to use.
A new problem I have found is that some phones say they have GPS but it is not true GPS with a chip in the phone, but gets location from cell towers.
What is the best way to lookup if a phone has true GPS so I can use it without cell service? Where it gets my location from satellites.
Would looking on the htcwiki tell me what kind of GPS a device has?
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Gonna be outa the $100 but best way is Device Database
stylez said:
Gonna be outa the $100
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Why do you say that because I have not bought anything yet?
Or do you think it is not going to be worth the money for what I want to do?
I really appreciate the help because like I said, I don't really know what I need. Just what I want it to do.
PDAdb is very useful. Shows that the CDMA of touch version of the touch does not have wifi or GPS.
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Why do you say that because I have not bought anything yet?
Or do you think it is not going to be worth the money for what I want to do?
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Touch\Elf is a PPC so generally higher price, pretty much same spec as Excalibur but with Touchscreen, will give you more choice on software as the market bigger on PPC, yeah i was just being comparative on the $100 mark not spec
Take a good look around the forum see what kinda device you like and check the specs out on pdadb.net
I'm sorry about all these questions but I am a little confused now about the Titan/Mogul/XV6800 GPS and aGPS.
On the XDADeveloperWIKI says aGPS requires a data connection but..
a GPSOne whitepaper tells that the MSM7500 chip in the xv6800 supports standalone GPS so it would work for me since I would not have any service or coverage.
Also what I understand that I would need to flash a new rom for the GPS to work, but I still don't know if I need a data plan after the flash.
Hi,
I am currently an owner of a LG KS20(aka Corona) and i'm deciding to go for a new phone in the next 6 months. These are the minimal conditions the phone should have:
(Higher is more important) Like it should have 3.5mm jack, but Touchscreen is more important
-Touchscreen
-Wifi
-A shell like Sense or the Android screen
-Activesync through Wifi or 3G
-3.5mm Jack
-Speed(Currently a 400Mhz MSM7200 under WM6.5 and sometimes it's slow like crap.)
-Camera >3.2MP
-Bluetooth
-GPS would be nice, not really necessary(Does somebody know some good navigation programs that doesnt need an internet-connection?)
This is a list of the OS that is should be running, Higher is better
-Android
-WM
-Iphone OS
Some info 'bout me
-Hacking and modding is the name, i changed from WM6 to 6.5, other titanium Themes etc etc.
And last but not least, a couple of phones i've been thinking of.
Nexus one, Iphone 4,HD2,HD mini,Vodafone H1
Could you guys give some info on the pro's and Con's of the Android, WM, and Iphone Platform and some feedback on the listed phones?
That would be Swell
PS: When is the release-date of WM7 for Europe/the Netherlands?Are there other release-dates i should wait for?
Almost forgot ALL of the HTC Android phones are in the race...
If you have an other proposition, please name it
I'm currently eyeing the HTC Desire. Seems the most perfect phone out there. I'm just waiting to see if more information about the HTC Vision comes out.
kekkle said:
I'm currently eyeing the HTC Desire. Seems the most perfect phone out there. I'm just waiting to see if more information about the HTC Vision comes out.
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Same here for HTC Desire. Not expensive compared to the others like SE X10 or Samsung Galaxy S. Has currently the best OS + Sense, and has almost everything I need (fits also your requirements above).
i see that the Desire has a 'optical trackball' what is it? Also, how is the Wifi experience?? with my KS20, connecting to a Accespoint is taking me over a minute. It sees the AP rightaway, but then is connects in 10sec., but that is very rare. Most of the time keeps connecting and if you don't do anything it will keep doing so until the battery has run out(so it cant connect, keeps connecting) and then you have to select an accespoint, cant connects and fails after 10sec, THEN you can select the desired AP and after 30sec. its finally connected to the internet.
Is the Musicplayer on android/Desire intuitive? easy to use like in the iPhone/iTouch?
Get anything HTC...I favor the Android Nexus One!
I find a phone ,it may meet your demands.
in the website everbuying.com.it may meet your demands.
If you dont want any headache get the Desire or HD2 because they are really fast (Desire a bit faster because of the OS, but i like WindowsMobile much more). Or the HTC EVO 4G...
You know what Iphone is just the best phone for your all requirments..
Try the 4th generation it is simply the awesome phone..
HTC Desire ticks all the boxes but if your not looking to upgrade for another 6 months then im sure something better will be along by then
Galaxy S, pretty much kicks ass every other Android phone on the market.
1Ghz Humminbird (faster than Snapdragon in HTCs) 4" super-amoled, 16gb internal memory, 512ram etc.
Go for HTC!
What ever you prefer: WM or Android
orb3000 said:
Go for HTC!
What ever you prefer: WM or Android
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just don't take rhodium as orb will surely suggest hehe he's a nice guy,but i believe he's a spy for htc,he watches who won't buy a rhodium and uses his advanced mind tricks and force persuade to make the person buy one...i believe he's one of htc's dark jedis
i'm about to get a desire,i'm pretty excited i must admit...i had about 15 htc devices in my hands,and the best experience so far was with android,it's faaaar more stable than wm ever was,also it is so much more intuitive than wm devices and iphones too
legend looks neat,top of the class trim level,alu unibody,tons of goodies...also take desire in account,i believe it kicks ass
good luck
as far as 4" displays go...wouldn't it be wiser to buy a tablet...who the hell needs that big screen in his pocket
farukb said:
just don't take rhodium as orb will surely suggest hehe he's a nice guy,but i believe he's a spy for htc,he watches who won't buy a rhodium and uses his advanced mind tricks and force persuade to make the person buy one...i believe he's one of htc's dark jedis
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haha lol... i'm thinking... anybody using the Android music player intensively?
and i mean i'm getting a new phone within 6 months
Also Are there people who had an WM and android? i want to ask them: What are the strongpoints and weak points of both OS's? Also i use my phone intensively with wireless syncing and a lot of the calender functions.(i'm so busy, sometimes i think i need a Real Personal assistant to manage my life and work, and my voluntering at the local music club, radio station, soccertraining, school etc etc.)
fanny1989 said:
I find a phone ,it may meet your demands.
in the website everbuying.com.it may meet your demands.
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Dont get me buying chinese crap! i wont even use them to splatter your brains across the room!
farukb said:
just don't take rhodium as orb will surely suggest hehe he's a nice guy,but i believe he's a spy for htc,he watches who won't buy a rhodium and uses his advanced mind tricks and force persuade to make the person buy one...i believe he's one of htc's dark jedis
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Lol
You almost got it!!
In fact I´m using now a Leo too
Just prefer WM over young Android...
wouternet said:
Hi,
I am currently an owner of a LG KS20(aka Corona) and i'm deciding to go for a new phone in the next 6 months. These are the minimal conditions the phone should have:
(Higher is more important) Like it should have 3.5mm jack, but Touchscreen is more important
-Touchscreen
-Wifi
-A shell like Sense or the Android screen
-Activesync through Wifi or 3G
-3.5mm Jack
-Speed(Currently a 400Mhz MSM7200 under WM6.5 and sometimes it's slow like crap.)
-Camera >3.2MP
-Bluetooth
-GPS would be nice, not really necessary(Does somebody know some good navigation programs that doesnt need an internet-connection?)
This is a list of the OS that is should be running, Higher is better
-Android
-WM
-Iphone OS
Some info 'bout me
-Hacking and modding is the name, i changed from WM6 to 6.5, other titanium Themes etc etc.
And last but not least, a couple of phones i've been thinking of.
Nexus one, Iphone 4,HD2,HD mini,Vodafone H1
Could you guys give some info on the pro's and Con's of the Android, WM, and Iphone Platform and some feedback on the listed phones?
That would be Swell
PS: When is the release-date of WM7 for Europe/the Netherlands?Are there other release-dates i should wait for?
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so complicated to select... I would prefer HTC HD2. asi have one
I bought one from everbuying.com.it looks cool.the price is cheap and it has high quality.I have used it 2 years.now it also can be seen .
tinna89 said:
I bought one from everbuying.com.it looks cool.the price is cheap and it has high quality.I have used it 2 years.now it also can be seen .
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Is it this one F910 WCDMA 3G Single Card Android 1.6 Wifi Java GPS Touch Screen Smart Phone
I found from everbuying,but it a little expensive.
I would get the HD2 or wait until the Fall when all the new Windows Phone 7 models come out. The HD2 is really cheap if you sign a contract.
Guys please help me out. Is it worth it to switch to moto xt720? My current phone is Samsung Wave. Thanks
here's my view
Bada OS = sucks, no freedom, no choices
phone itself = good phone and amazing AMOLED screen
so if you are satisfied to have a phone that is a phone, and works, and able to take pictures, then there is no need to change
but if you want the wonderful FREE stuff that you get off Android Market, then you'll need an Android Phone
and the XT720 is a very good phone that serves all purposes, it might not be the top of the line, but it can keep up without a sweat
a bit shy on the battery life
however... the if you were using a WAVE, that means you were on a 3G HSDPA 900 / 2100 network
the XT720 runs on 3G HSDPA 1700 / 2100 network
are you sure that is compatible?
Thanks for the reply bro. Yeah I['m still in a dilemma of I should switch. I never had any android phones before. That's why I think that xt720 would be a good starting phone for me to try android. but the thing that is holding me back from switching is that xt720 is only runs 2.1 eclair. the phone memory is too low to isntall many apps. I read somewhere that you can use a certain app or hack that let's you install the apps on the memory card, but it also stated that it still uses some part of the phone memory,.
I got bored on this bada os. No customization, very simple and mimimalistic interface.
the memormy may be small. It's not laggy at all with more than 1 widget and multiple apps open (even w/o overclock). And 2.1, alright, but Dexter is working on the 2.2 port and he's gonna throw out a bèta one of these days. So 2.2 is on it's way and if the kexec crack starts to work good, then we could also have newer android versions later this year. So updates are not a problem for now.
To the TS I'd say: throw away that Wave and get yourself the XT720 It's a really good Android-phone and like AllGamer says: not the top of the line, but it sure can keep up and the camera is really good, hardware too and it just does what it does and that's what a phone needs to do IMHO: do what it does.
But indeed, check the MHz to see if it's compatible.
to the TS: since u are geting a new phone please DO NOT settle for anything less than froyo and 512MB ram or you'll be regret. speaking from experience, i own the xt720 and my wife's nexus one runs wayyyy better with the additional ram. the ram really helps when u have many apps running
en0203 said:
to the TS: since u are geting a new phone please DO NOT settle for anything less than froyo and 512MB ram or you'll be regret. speaking from experience, i own the xt720 and my wife's nexus one runs wayyyy better with the additional ram. the ram really helps when u have many apps running
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I have 3 phones - HTC Desire HD, HTC Desire and this xt720. The xt720 (with O.C.1000) is laggiest of all. The response is much slower than the other two. Granted, it's rather unfair to compare the Desire HD with this due to the price. However, the usage experience is very bad.
Put it this way, I listen to music, fine. When a call arrives, it takes 2 seconds to unlock the screen because the screen stalls for that long. After that, I missed the call and have to wait another 2 seconds for the contact list to pop up so that I can call back. I dont have any of the issues with the HTC phones. Context switching is SLOW on this phone and no surprise, that IS the memory (RAM) being so small.
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I have 3 phones - HTC Desire HD, HTC Desire and this xt720. The xt720 (with O.C.1000) is laggiest of all. The response is much slower than the other two. Granted, it's rather unfair to compare the Desire HD with this due to the price. However, the usage experience is very bad.
Put it this way, I listen to music, fine. When a call arrives, it takes 2 seconds to unlock the screen because the screen stalls for that long. After that, I missed the call and have to wait another 2 seconds for the contact list to pop up so that I can call back. I dont have any of the issues with the HTC phones. Context switching is SLOW on this phone and no surprise, that IS the memory (RAM) being so small.
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dude! your phone is something seriously wrong. most of the XT720 users don't complaint like this.
I've compared my phone with Nexus One (Running 2.1) and to my surprise, Nexus One is way too sluggish.
Moreover, you're comparing the phone with devices running Android 2.2 which obviously performs better than 2.1 regardless of hardware (just compare two Nexus One running 2.1 and 2.2 respectively) . So, wait till Dextor finished porting android 2.2 and compare again. you'll be surprised.
hmm now I'm confused, half says that xt720 is a good phone, the other says it's sluggish and lags. hmm. I still can't decide. Wave is a good multimedia phone, but I'm not using it that much because I already bought an hdtv and I prefer watching in the bigscreen.
spiderx_mm said:
dude! your phone is something seriously wrong. most of the XT720 users don't complaint like this.
I've compared my phone with Nexus One (Running 2.1) and to my surprise, Nexus One is way too sluggish.
Moreover, you're comparing the phone with devices running Android 2.2 which obviously performs better than 2.1 regardless of hardware (just compare two Nexus One running 2.1 and 2.2 respectively) . So, wait till Dextor finished porting android 2.2 and compare again. you'll be surprised.
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Then, obviously xt720 fails for not getting 2.2 from Motorola. Depite high hopes and expectations from Dextor (thanks and keep up the good work!); no offence but the port and time-line is not guarenteed. It's a risk-factor big or small.
For similar >priced< phone, I simply cannot see any reason to get xt720 instead of the HTC Desire -- already working at 2.2 means more features/ performance out of the box. There is no need to overlock, app2sd, JIT, etc etc.
Surely we all enjoy tuning and optimizing our phones (that's why we're here!), but this is no way to expect any average person to do all that just to make the one product "slighly on par" with the other. We are paying similar price afterall.
The xt720 has better xenon flash/ 8MP camera. But, if I want to take a good photo/video, it'll be coming from a proper camera/camcorder.
anonaye2 said:
For similar >priced< phone, I simply cannot see any reason to get xt720 instead of the HTC Desire
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have you ever though about the radio bands?
not all phones works on all 3G networks
maybe the OP is looking to buy a phone that works for the network he/she is using or planing to use.
that was exactly my case, i switched network and all the phones that i liked, did not work on the network, and the only 2 choices were XT720 or Nexus S
Very shortly I will be binning my iPhone and purchasing a HTC device running Android.
I have chosen to go with HTC because of their Sense UI - no other manufacturer appears to have developed anything than can compete with this.
The only thing delaying this switch is my failure to yet decide which handset to go with.
I am looking for a top end device so the front runners at the moment are the Desire and Desire HD
Specification wise the Desire HD handset gets the win but this device isn't quite as portable as the original Desire and it appears to be agreed across the board that the HD's battery life isn't the best having only been afforded 1230 mAh whilst the original Desire has 1400 mAh, despite the HD having the larger screen and more processing power.
So its a toss up between the two, and I really am stuck.
I'd welcome any advice to help my decision or more importantly, bearing in mind the HD has been out for almost 4 months, surely there is a top end HTC Android device in the pipeline due for release in the very near future??
I have seen mention of Android 2.4 and 3.0 in other threads...has anyone come across mention of HTC releasing a handset this spring that will be running the new Android platform??
Well,you can expect them to announce the Desire HD2,aka Pyramid,at the MWC,but release date will probably be later on,most likely April or something.Right now,if you want a compromise between the DHD and the classical Desire(I have both and I can tell you the DHD is far superior performance wise,and battery isn't bad at all as second generation Snapdragons are much less power hungry) the Desire Z might be a good choice for you.Don't let the 800MHz processor fool you;it's as much a beast as the DHD is!Unless you can't put up with the hardware keyboard!
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Very shortly I will be binning my iPhone and purchasing a HTC device running Android.
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Good on you!
As for the battery life for Desire HD, it's not bad. I charge every night if I used the phone heavily through the day. For it's screen size battery is reasonable and I find phone very easy to carry around, it's quite slick.
New phones are just around the corner and I can't honestly say if right NOW is the best time to buy a new phone, especially such a expensive phone. If you don't mind then the Desire HD is one heck of a beast!
But these new phones will probably cost close to a grand, for that much you can build yourself a i7/i5 machine lol.
Yeah I've just read a few articles about HTC announcing the Desire 2 and Desire HD 2. Apparently both will be announced at the MWC tomorrow!!!
So you'd expect these new devices to hit UK shores around about April? I'll definitely wait until then for either the D2 or DHD2 although expect I'll have to fork out quite a bit for one of these sim-free!?!?
Looking forward to some HTC news following the MWC tomorrow!!
Smart move...HTC Rocks!
Just make sure it is Flashable (at least samsung has plans for signed bootloaders preventing custom firmware updates, so make sure your open platform really is open) Desire, Desire Z and DHD are, Desire2 or DHD2 i don't know but one could assume they are also. HTC would not do something as Apple-ish as this, would they?
The reason for this is that while android is the top system for now and sense is indeed great - but check my thread in general discussion - a possible announcement date for Meego, and you probably want to be able to flash to it once released (and ported functionally). All Android apps work on meego using JVM.
+ There are hidden powers in both the DHD and especially Z that is being wasted by 1) Android (whole os implementation, especially the lousy dalvik VM) 2) I have been told Z and DHD have essentially the same chip, the 200mhz difference is mainly market differentiation justifying DHD as the flagship even when lacking qwerty and not gaining much/any advantage from the bigger display since the resolution is the same. Quite the opposite, it makes it bulky and drains more battery... IMO the Z is the flagship model of the current gen and it has been clocked up to ~1,4 ghz stable that i know of)
I for one cannot wait to get Meego running on my Z and unleash the potential of the hardware.
(My advice is forget the old desire and since the next gens being announced don't seem to have a qwerty version go for the Z. It will be on sale or found cheap 2nd hand due to the new ones coming. (you must be a bit of a tech-geek since you are on these forums so you probably will come to appreciate the qwerty even if you don't realize it yet. Some linux desktop version + qwerty almost a laptop makes
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Just make sure it is Flashable (at least samsung has plans for signed bootloaders preventing custom firmware updates, so make sure your open platform really is open) Desire, Desire Z and DHD are, Desire2 or DHD2 i don't know but one could assume they are also. HTC would not do something as Apple-ish as this, would they?
The reason for this is that while android is the top system for now and sense is indeed great - but check my thread in general discussion - a possible announcement date for Meego, and you probably want to be able to flash to it once released (and ported). I for one cannot wait to get it on my Desire Z. Android is kinda messy from a technical POW and sub-optimal in performance.
(What ever you choose, do not let the desire z 800 mhz fool you to think its slower compared to DHD. I am told they have essentially the same chip, and is only market segmentation - The desire Z has been clocked to some 1,516 ghz stable...)
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OP good move on making the switch to Android, specifically a HTC device.
So I'm hoping for some big news from HTC at the MWC regarding the Desire 2 and/or Desire 2 HD....
I am in the UK so despite there being rumour of the 'Pyramid' seeing an April/May release in the US I am concerned that we will be waiting several months more to see any of these new top end HTC Android handsets over the pond here in the UK.
Any views on this? Or any idea on the wait we might have in UK to see these handsets?
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So I'm hoping for some big news from HTC at the MWC regarding the Desire 2 and/or Desire 2 HD....
I am in the UK so despite there being rumour of the 'Pyramid' seeing an April/May release in the US I am concerned that we will be waiting several months more to see any of these new top end HTC Android handsets over the pond here in the UK.
Any views on this? Or any idea on the wait we might have in UK to see these handsets?
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We seem to get the new HTC phones sooner in the UK than they do in the US so don't worry. More often than not we'll see the original (like the DHD), and then later they get a variety of carrier specific derivitaves like the Inspire 4G.
Personally i'm more interested to see where the Nexus line goes for it's next incarnation. Hopefully back to HTC with a killer Nexus 3
Congratulations, I think the Desire HD looks like a pretty awesome phone. Wish I would have waited a few months before buying the Desire to get the Desire HD.
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We seem to get the new HTC phones sooner in the UK than they do in the US so don't worry. More often than not we'll see the original (like the DHD), and then later they get a variety of carrier specific derivitaves like the Inspire 4G.
Personally i'm more interested to see where the Nexus line goes for it's next incarnation. Hopefully back to HTC with a killer Nexus 3
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With regards to the 4G, I've heard there is very little support for this in the UK?
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With regards to the 4G, I've heard there is very little support for this in the UK?
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NO support as yet. I've heard that some European countries have trials under way though.
Desire HD is cool, possibly a little on the big side coming from an iPhone, but you will soon get used to it. I find occasionally being used to the iPhone I have a bad habit of touching the sides of the screen and activating an app I had no intention of opening. But like I said you get used to it.
I also found that the voice quality of calls is higher than my 3gs used to be, and I have had some trouble getting used to the fact that up until I start to drop calls from bad signal the only loss of voice I get is a small crackle or pop and then a gap in the conversation. It's probably my only gripe. I would like to have less quality voice on degradation of signal, but not lose part of the conversation... still its a great phone and much more fun now I have rooted and modded it.
I'm a WM guy. From the days Windows Mobile 2003, WM 5, WM 6, 6.1 to WM6.5.
Tried WP7 but found it inmature, crippled, limited, sterile and lacking all the power user features of the WM6.5
So I jumped back to my trusty T9193 HD2 with custom WM6.5 Energy ROM. It is the Telstra Australia version of HTC HD2 running on USA AT&T 3G Bands.
Due to the lack of support from the apps developing community for Windows Mobile 6.5, I'm feeling tempted to get my hands on a Telstra Z710a HTC Sensation. Since Telstra Australia uses the same 3G (850MHz/1900MHz) bands as AT&T USA, it should be no problem to get it to work here (I suppose).
Of course Android is not WM6.5 but is a promissing, well featured, mature OS with a huge community of apps and ROMs developers.
After some reading on the forum, I found lots of people complaining about the display quality, the power-off charging issue and some other issues. Being an Australian phone, it will be a pain to get warranty repairs or exchange here in the states.
Due to these issues, Would it be wise to "upgrade" from my HD2 to the Sensation?
I'll get lynched for saying this, but iOS is the more mature platform (2007 vs Android's 2008) with more apps available if that is what you are looking for. Moreover, if you are worried about warranty and repairs, Apple usually takes good care of their customers.
I also was using an HD 2 for T-Mobile running the Energy Rom and I've been using the Sensation since it came out...no regrets!
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I left my HD2 for the Sensation. Android is in a whole different league than WinMo 6.5. I actually had Android ROM's on my HD2 and still do. My Girlfriend uses my HD2 with the Android OS on it. I stopped using WinMo as soon as Android Nand came out for the HD2.
Either way, do it. You won't regret it.
The HD2 served me well. It was my first Android phone (Well.. with it flashed of course) and it was GREAT however I hit problems such as a dead touchscreen after a year (Which warranty fixed) than it overheating every damn time it had to do anything intensive or even because of heat. I sent it to HTC and they sent it back the same way saying they fixed it.. Though it persisted. Sent it back a week later, this time I made it a point to tell them that they did NOTHING last time and wasted my money by sending it back without doing any changes. (My WinMo rom was still there with settings I changed specifically to see if they even did a ROM wipe.) They exchanged the motherboard the 2nd time and it was great.. for about a month.. than the overheating began once again. I mean I'm not even doing things like watching long videos or playing video games.. All I did was run it as a phone.. browsed the net for 10 minutes at a time 2 times max a day.. texted a few.. and it would die..
Going off a tangent, but you won't regret the switch to the Sensation 4G.. You won't see much change if you are just going to use it as a phone though! Gaming/video watching will be a lot better however
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Depends on what you are using the phone for. I actually am keeping my HD2 because of the great office integration and ability of the OS. If you have a shortage of apps you might be looking in the wrong place. True, the official marketpalce is seriously lacking in apps, however a quick search of the world wide web will reveal many many more. However as far as multi-media and gaming, the sensation wins hands down. Btw, Ive had android and am currently running WP7 on my phone because of the, once again, great office integration plus the rapidly expanding marketplace. I just love the ability to switch Roms and OS's like no other phone can. It truly is a superphone. What other phone has the ability to remain "current" after two years in this rapidly developing digital world?
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I'm a WM guy. From the days Windows Mobile 2003, WM 5, WM 6, 6.1 to WM6.5.
Tried WP7 but found it inmature, crippled, limited, sterile and lacking all the power user features of the WM6.5
So I jumped back to my trusty T9193 HD2 with custom WM6.5 Energy ROM. It is the Telstra Australia version of HTC HD2 running on USA AT&T 3G Bands.
Due to the lack of support from the apps developing community for Windows Mobile 6.5, I'm feeling tempted to get my hands on a Telstra Z710a HTC Sensation. Since Telstra Australia uses the same 3G (850MHz/1900MHz) bands as AT&T USA, it should be no problem to get it to work here (I suppose).
Of course Android is not WM6.5 but is a promissing, well featured, mature OS with a huge community of apps and ROMs developers.
After some reading on the forum, I found lots of people complaining about the display quality, the power-off charging issue and some other issues. Being an Australian phone, it will be a pain to get warranty repairs or exchange here in the states.
Due to these issues, Would it be wise to "upgrade" from my HD2 to the Sensation?
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The biggest thing to me was getting over the issue of not having the physical buttons. Still bugs me from time to time. The biggest button I miss is the end call/power button.
Like you I'm still down for WM6.5, honestly I saw nothing wrong with it. However I did install Android on my HD2 and liked it. Call it my test run for the final migration to Android full time.
The speaker doesn't seem to be as loud as the HD2 but works. The camera can zoom while recording video BUT doesn't have MP4 format as an option. I hope S-Off can take care of that somewhere (recording format).
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My .02$.
Depends on what you are using the phone for. I actually am keeping my HD2 because of the great office integration and ability of the OS. If you have a shortage of apps you might be looking in the wrong place. True, the official marketpalce is seriously lacking in apps, however a quick search of the world wide web will reveal many many more. However as far as multi-media and gaming, the sensation wins hands down. Btw, Ive had android and am currently running WP7 on my phone because of the, once again, great office integration plus the rapidly expanding marketplace. I just love the ability to switch Roms and OS's like no other phone can. It truly is a superphone. What other phone has the ability to remain "current" after two years in this rapidly developing digital world?
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Also this!
In my experience mate, it's only an upgrade on paper
I have the Australian (Telstra) version of the Sensation and can only speak from experience with this, but I got far better performance out of a NAND ROM on my 9193 than I did with this heap (stock). That changed a bit once I S-OFFed and put a custom ROM/kernel on there, but Sense is still laggy as all buggery and my Atrix still runs rings around it. Even putting a new Launcher over the top hasn't made it 'feel' like a dual-core, like the Atrix and GS2 do.
I still use my 9193, it's my work phone. I don't think I'll ever get rid of it. It's far too good an all-rounder and far too well supported.
In terms of flexibility, you are already sitting on the ultimate device. It will be a long time before we see another device with the support and variety that LEO got.
I think if you're asking the question, you may already know the answer
Good luck either way, your 9193 will get an excellent price in the Marketplace should you decide to sell
Thanks for the suggestions and advise!
Specialy from all of you, the ones that still keep and use their HD2s.
I work as IT Specialist and for me the HD2 is like a swiss army knife. I carry in its storage card all the files and apps I need to keep my networks and clients up and running in no time. Its a matter of connecting the phone to any network pc to upload the file needed and presto.
I don't know of any other phone with such flexibility and integration with the pc enviroment.
I was tempted by the "lack of support" from the apps comumunity but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.
I love the HTC HD2, this is the one that started it all!
I think I'll wait some time to see how it goes with the Sensation or if HTC comes with something comparable or better for AT&T.
I was using HD2 for long time , energy roms then moved to android on HD2 , when i did try the android couldn't back again to the WM so i bought the sensation for smoother and more performance android, and hangs anymore