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HTC making so many phones - mistake?

Hi,
Do you think HTC is making too many phones?
On the plus side, the many phones is a great thing because it provides both the consumers and mobile carriers with plenty of choice. However, there has to be a threshold, beyond which support from HTC (and even optimizations during the design phase) for each individual phone must suffer.
Right now, there are so many Android HTC phones out there, most of them begging to be upgraded to Eclair or Froyo. There are reported issues with battery life, unlocking tools, inconsistent touch response etc. I'm worried that this may reflect badly on the Android OS.
Do you think HTC should reduce the number of phones they release just a tad and concentrate on providing quality support to the fewer number of phones? Or perhaps you are not yet convinced that the aforementioned threshold has been passed yet and they can handle all the releases so far?

TT1986 said:
Hi,
Do you think HTC is making too many phones?
On the plus side, the many phones is a great thing because it provides both the consumers and mobile carriers with plenty of choice. However, there has to be a threshold, beyond which support from HTC (and even optimizations during the design phase) for each individual phone must suffer.
Right now, there are so many Android HTC phones out there, most of them begging to be upgraded to Eclair or Froyo. There are reported issues with battery life, unlocking tools, inconsistent touch response etc. I'm worried that this may reflect badly on the Android OS.
Do you think HTC should reduce the number of phones they release just a tad and concentrate on providing quality support to the fewer number of phones? Or perhaps you are not yet convinced that the aforementioned threshold has been passed yet and they can handle all the releases so far?
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I agree with some of what you said; but I think that there are just too many Android phones, not just from HTC. Also, I don't understand why all the higher-end Android phones are all CDMA. Does Verizon really need 3 high-end Android phones for its customers? I understand the need for choice and whatnot, but when you have too many to manage, that becomes a problem. For example, when it comes to marketing, which one of the phones should you focus on?
If there was one high quality, well-built, and attractive Android phone, I think it would be very successful. The Nexus One is a good example, but compared to the other higher-end phones available right now, its hardware does seem like they are lacking.

i think they are. flooding the market and not putting all focus in a few devices that could be better.

HTC doesn't have that much really:
HTC Wildfire: Current Low-end
HTC Tattoo: Previous low-end
HTC Desire: Current flag-ship
HTC Legend: Previous flag-ship, nearing end of life.
HTC MagicL EOL.
HTC Hero: EOL.
Pretty much Desire & Wildfire is all they got. Desire is getting a bit behind, so now comes Desire HD.
Evo and Incredible are CDMA only. So 4 phones total.

kekkle said:
HTC doesn't have that much really:
HTC Wildfire: Current Low-end
HTC Tattoo: Previous low-end
HTC Desire: Current flag-ship
HTC Legend: Previous flag-ship, nearing end of life.
HTC MagicL EOL.
HTC Hero: EOL.
Pretty much Desire & Wildfire is all they got. Desire is getting a bit behind, so now comes Desire HD.
Evo and Incredible are CDMA only. So 4 phones total.
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Not really, how about the following devices:
Nexus 1 (it may be google branded, but manufactured by HTC)
Leo (all variants)
Rhodium (all variants)
HD Mini
Espresso
Aria
Upcoming the G2 (HTC Vanguard)
Quite a few more than just 4. And I already know that the OP was referring to Android phones, but that is not the only market that HTC is targeting (hence my inclusion of the WM devices in the list)

egzthunder1 said:
Not really, how about the following devices:
Nexus 1 (it may be google branded, but manufactured by HTC)
Leo (all variants)
Rhodium (all variants)
HD Mini
Espresso
Aria
Upcoming the G2 (HTC Vanguard)
Quite a few more than just 4. And I already know that the OP was referring to Android phones, but that is not the only market that HTC is targeting (hence my inclusion of the WM devices in the list)
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Those are pretty much the same deal as above, but then packed with WinMo.

I think they aren't, just look at nokia
Everyone is screaming about updates but then nokia have never updated a phone and have been quite successful
Android os reflects bad on itself on its own without anyone's help. For example the Bt transfer on my "android flagship device" wasn't working a month ago, 3 years after they anounced it and on the god knows which firmware (2.1 it was). It doesn't have a built in file manager , how do you think did I buy one from the marketplace. And it has adds, what are these for . Yeah it's free but then I don't recall the desire being much cheaper than the hd2 if you compare the prices on the release dates.

freakzone said:
I think they aren't, just look at nokia .. nokia have never updated a phone and have been quite successful.
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Is this a joke?? Nokia are hardly successful if you look at their performance since the N95 was released (last successful device).
HTC's short support history is really starting to irk me.

More HTC models should appear, we still need a 1Ghz, hardware keyboard WM device!!

DroidBois said:
Is this a joke?? Nokia are hardly successful if you look at their performance since the N95 was released (last successful device).
HTC's short support history is really starting to irk me.
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Nokia have never updated a phone even before the N95 e.g. when they were succesfull. They sell a lot of phones now too, just the smart ones are not very popular

Nokia are a joke, I'd take HTC and Android any day over Nokia. The web almost blew up from complaints about the buggy N97 when it came out.

I disagree with the quote that "Nokia never updated their phone".
The N900 received the PR1.1 and 1.2 and is waiting for 1.3

TT1986 said:
Do you think HTC is making too many phones?
On the plus side, the many phones is a great thing because it provides both the consumers and mobile carriers with plenty of choice. However, there has to be a threshold, beyond which support from HTC (and even optimizations during the design phase) for each individual phone must suffer.
Right now, there are so many Android HTC phones out there, most of them begging to be upgraded to Eclair or Froyo. There are reported issues with battery life, unlocking tools, inconsistent touch response etc. I'm worried that this may reflect badly on the Android OS.
Do you think HTC should reduce the number of phones they release just a tad and concentrate on providing quality support to the fewer number of phones? Or perhaps you are not yet convinced that the aforementioned threshold has been passed yet and they can handle all the releases so far?
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Yes, I agree.
I like more the "apple way", where they release one phone each year, and they support it for at least 3 years.
If you ask me, HTC should do no more than 3 a year, and then provide 3 years support at least.

I disagree whole heartedly!
I dont see HTC have made to many phones.
Allot of phones people are still buying are last years phone (leo is a great example!).
Its no longer HTCs flagship phone, but people are still buying it.
Am I right in saying HTC only have 4 phones on sale (in the UK atleast) running android, which are still in production?
I.e. The wildfire, desire, desire HD and the desire Z? (WTF is with all the desire names lol) Im not saying the N1 because I thought it was no longer being made (correct me if im wrong )
And in my opinion thats the perfect line up!
Each handset offers something different.
desire = good allround phone
desire HD = large screen
Desire Z = hardware keyboard
Wildfire = lower end smartphone (which is very impressive may I add)
I guess over in the US you've got the evo too...
I think they are just about doing the right thing, not so much flooding the market, but giving a nice mix of designs

Maybe i'm missing something, but on 2010, they released, or plan to release (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTC_phones#A_Series_.28Android_phones.29):
HTC Bravo
HTC Legend
HTC Incredible
HTC Espresso
HTC Supersonic
HTC Buzz
HTC Liberty
HTC Ace
HTC Desire Z
Add to that HTC Photon, and HTC Passion (Nexus One), that makes it 11 phones in a year.

tbh They are not making too many, but if you include their CDMA phones aswell as GSM, Yes they are, i mean Three 4.3" phones is a bit silly

For me, the pace is quite normal for a booming company. And they sell quite well. Android is getting more popular day by day and they're taking advantage of that. However, I agree with you. This might be a mistake in the long term.

Not a mistake. I also wouldn't like one version car each 3 years of Audi. I think that's a pretty fair comparison hehe.
Sent from my HTC

shoemeistah said:
Not a mistake. I also wouldn't like one version car each 3 years of Audi. I think that's a pretty fair comparison hehe.
Sent from my HTC
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I want an innie! That is true, actually. Each year car makers release new models.

shoemeistah said:
Not a mistake. I also wouldn't like one version car each 3 years of Audi. I think that's a pretty fair comparison hehe.
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That is not accurate, nor fair.
I think HTC should release 3 phones per year: budget, normal, premium.
Maybe each one as GSM/CDMA if they want, so 6 phones at most, in 3 "families".
They are releasing 11 phones this year.
And still there is no froyo for the legend.

Question: Change my Android device?

I Currently have a Samsung Galaxy Spica (Quite crappy if you ask me, but nice for the first android device i have)
I might have an opportunity to get a HTC Desire, but that would "chain" me to a mobile phone company for the next 18 months....
I know the improvement is quite nice.... but I know Desire has been in the market for some time already... so, my question is:
Is it worth to change to HTC desire, to not being able to change phone for another year and a half
OR
Better wait for a couple of months for some newer device, since HTC desire is quite "old" (Still better than Spica, definitely)
Well, more or less, what would your advice be?
Thank you!!

The Desire S is coming very soon with Gingerbread installed. Worth the wait for sure.

Or there's already the Desire HD or Incredible S on the market, both of which are better-specced than either the original Desire or the Desire S.
Then again, if you're worried about your phone being obsolete, you could skip HTC altogether and go for one of the new dual-core handsets like the Samsung Galaxy S2, Motorola Atrix or the two LG Optimus models, the 2X and 3D.
All of those will be a step up from anything HTC have announced to date.

Yes, the point is that this HTC desire is a special offer from a national carrier which gives you a htc desire for a really low cost (less than 100 euro), and has no internet contract (Its your choice to get it or not) and a really nice price for the calls and so...
The point is that i dont want to spend 600 euro on a new phone... hell, i dont want to even spend 200...... they get obsolete too soon...

The Desire is a great phone. I say go for it!
Then customise it with CM7

Yes, my current SPICA hardly has CM 6.1... the drivers are hardly finished, the community around the development are wonderful people and they do a great effort, but are too few..... we even dont have DivX working, and games like angry birds or thunder race are not working properly....
I will try to get my hands on one Desire, hoping they wont stop supporting it for the next 18 months.... I will keep my fingers crossed.
Thanks for the advise!

The desire is a very sturdy, trustworthy device, I've tried many different devices and can't manage to pull myself away from it
Even so, it might be better to wait around, maybe get a dual core phone since you'll be stuck in contract for a while. It should still be supported by the community for a while yet, but newer phones will start getting the updates first soon, as they'll be better suited for it, and dev's will be upgrading.
If you always have an itch to upgrade, then it'd be best to wait, but either way there's always going to be new phones coming out with better hardware/software.

GFXi0N said:
Yes, the point is that this HTC desire is a special offer from a national carrier...
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And?
You say you don't want to spend even a couple of hundred euros on a phone because they become obsolete so quickly.
The Desire is basically obsolete already - at least as obsolete as any of the new dual-core phones will be in 9-12 months, probably more-so, relatively speaking.
It's obviously down to you, if you're not prepared to spend what it takes to get a newer phone, then I think you've answered your own question.

What will the next big Google phone be?

I know that typically a few "Google Experience" devices come out each year. But, has there been any speculation on what the next major Google phone will be... as in the Nexus S sequel. (I am aware this hasn't been out that long, but it isn't in the cards to upgrade now, so I'm looking to the future )

I'm hoping it's a Nexus device either from HTC or Motorola - however with this 'own Motorola OS' rumour swirling around, that's looking unlikely, currently. But if the HTC Pyramid is a Nexus device, that'll be my next phone. Period. It'll be my next phone even if it isn't

Ya, I'm using an Atrix right now, and while I know it gets a lot of hate, I love the power. It's a great phone in terms of speed and potential. And, in spite of the restrictions it can do a lot. But, I want the freedom of a full on Google phone. I can't wait to hear what the Nexus 3 will be.

The Nexus One was clearly designed to rival anything else at the time in terms of specs, to be a development platform that would stay relevant for as long as possible.
This was a handset designed to make a serious splash and show Google's vision and determination for the platform.
The Nexus S on the other hand is a single-sore handset in a soon-to-be dual-core world. It's the complete opposite of the Nexus One in terms of making a splash, the only news features it brought to the table were gimmicks, like the concave screen; or features that are some time away from having any mainstream significance, like NFC.
The only thing I can think of is that there's some sort reason why Google have chosen to stick with single-sores CPUs for now - lack of proper dual-core utilisation by the OS maybe? I mean, it's not much of a development platform if you start introducing new features/hardware that the OS can't make proper use of...
The next Nexus handset will be a dual-core CPU, we can be sure of that. And I personally reckon it will be launched to accompany an Android update that introduces proper dual-core optimisation.
But that's just me.

Step666 said:
The Nexus One was clearly designed to rival anything else at the time in terms of specs, to be a development platform that would stay relevant for as long as possible.
This was a handset designed to make a serious splash and show Google's vision and determination for the platform.
The Nexus S on the other hand is a single-sore handset in a soon-to-be dual-core world. It's the complete opposite of the Nexus One in terms of making a splash, the only news features it brought to the table were gimmicks, like the concave screen; or features that are some time away from having any mainstream significance, like NFC.
The only thing I can think of is that there's some sort reason why Google have chosen to stick with single-sores CPUs for now - lack of proper dual-core utilisation by the OS maybe? I mean, it's not much of a development platform if you start introducing new features/hardware that the OS can't make proper use of...
The next Nexus handset will be a dual-core CPU, we can be sure of that. And I personally reckon it will be launched to accompany an Android update that introduces proper dual-core optimisation.
But that's just me.
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The Galaxy S was one of the best selling Android phones. Most likely the most sales for a similar models of this generation and there's even more variations just coming out. A Nexus S device made sense. Create a platform phone that has the broadest reach in terms of compatibility. Devs can then base their apps on that consistency. The Nexus One was simliar - (how many phones had the first gen Snapdragon? Tons.). They picked right for the time frame. Dual cores came out soon after but I don't see that level of hardware consistency coming until later this year.

I disagree - if they wanted a dev platform using the Hummingbird CPU, the time to release it was the same sort of time as the original Galaxy S, get it out there ASAP so that the people who needed it could start using it immediately.
They were late.
Which is not to say too late, it will still be of some use but plenty of developers will already have a Galaxy S is they want a Hummingbird-based test-bed, especially given how easy it is to get stock Android on it.
Also, whilst some manufacturers like Samsung are developing their own dual-core CPUs and HTC seem woefully tied to Qualcomm, nVidia's Tegra2 SoC does seem to have reached some level of wide-spread adoption - certainly amongst tablets and also with some of the dual-core handsets that are coming to the market. Heck, even Samsung are using it to bolster their low Exynos supplies.
It wouldn't've been too much of a gamble on Google's part to have released a Tegra2-based dev handset IMO - not really that much less consistency than there has been the past 12 months.

No idea.... please post if come to know about it.

The Nexus is a showcase phone so the next one will showcase Ice-Cream when it comes...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...h-new-Ice-Cream-Android-operating-system.html

I hope it's a Verizon phone, every other carrier has or will be getting a Nexus phone.
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I Am Marino said:
I hope it's a Verizon phone, every other carrier has or will be getting a Nexus phone.
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Making it useless for a majority of the world... not sure I can see that happen while there are now radio chips that allow both GSM and CDMA.

DirkGently1 said:
The Nexus is a showcase phone so the next one will showcase Ice-Cream when it comes...
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I agree. It will definitely be using IceCream I think, and I'd definitely imagine it being HTC considering Motorola has dev's working on their own OS supposedly. Samsung and Sony pretty much do their own thing yeah?

buxtahuda said:
I'd definitely imagine it being HTC considering Motorola has dev's working on their own OS supposedly. Samsung and Sony pretty much do their own thing yeah?
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Why would Samsung be any less likely to get the nod for the next Nexus handset than HTC? Both manufacturers have produced a Nexus-branded handset each, with Google choosing to move from HTC to Samsung for the last one.
If anything, I'd say Samsung are more likely to be selected, especially given they're actually improving on their previous handsets while HTC have stagnated.
As for SE, their entire survival revolves round Android, so I would hardly describe them as 'doing their own thing'.

I haven't particularly kept up with it all, only started the Android craze when I got this phone. I just remember the last time I looked at a SE phone it was using its own OS. And I definitely haven't worried with Droids or Nexus's, I didn't realize that the last Nexus was Samsung, I thought they were rolling heavy just on the Galaxy series.
We all start somewhere yeah
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Should partner with HTC ... should set a standard like what N1 did.

I would choose HTC again also. I do not agree that HTC is stagnated.
The build quality of the HTC´s phones is way better than Sammy. Sammy phones all look and feel like cheep plastic.
Just my 2 cents..

viperblast said:
I would choose HTC again also. I do not agree that HTC is stagnated.
The build quality of the HTC´s phones is way better than Sammy. Sammy phones all look and feel like cheep plastic.
Just my 2 cents..
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True. I feel the same, any smartphone Samsung I've put in my hand feels like I'd lose or crush it easily. However I have noticed their screens seem a bit better in sunlight, and they do seem to try and innovate a bit. But HTC (they didn't used to be though) has finally gotten to a consistent point on quality.
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I guess there's still no rumors yet on what the ice cream showcase phone will be... I've been scouring the internet.

Hopefully google has learned to just sell their software and stay away from selling their own devices.

Is the Desire S the ugly sister?

Last year we had the Original Desire, it wasn't long before it was rooted and had plenty of support.
This year we had the Incredible S, The Desire S and the Sensation and its like the Desire S has been forgotten about.

I think it's because the phone is so similar to the incredible s with the incredible s being slightly better. Also by naming it desire s you expect it to carry on the legacy of the original desire which i don't think it pulled off that well.

dan-fish said:
I think it's because the phone is so similar to the incredible s with the incredible s being slightly better. Also by naming it desire s you expect it to carry on the legacy of the original desire which i don't think it pulled off that well.
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It didn't carry the legacy of the Desire at all, I'm regretting getting it, it is a fantastic phone but its never gonna get any decent level of support.

Spoke to someone in the trade.They think the desire s will be abandoned by htc meaning no support or updates.Its a major flop hence the cheap deals.They cant give them away.

Problem is it was released at the wrong time, there will be little to no support from hackers either I suspect.
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still a sick phone though.
prolly once the s-off-ing gets released, more people will develop/port to desire S.
my guess is most roms could be ported over easily to DS from IS and DHD

I wonder is the Incredible S having the same issues thanks to the Sensation? I think the Galaxy SII is the Desire of 2011, it'll be the one getting all the support I reckon.

I just hope it'll get S-Off'd so I can root my device
That's all and people are doing that
It's a mid-range phone, so most people will get it, but very little of the dev community on xda will get it unless they are trying to make major developments on it which sucks D:

Is HTC not supposed to be unlocking the boot loader? Or is this just going to be on new phones?

I thought it was just new phones.
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Phillmitchell said:
Spoke to someone in the trade.They think the desire s will be abandoned by htc meaning no support or updates.Its a major flop hence the cheap deals.They cant give them away.
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I doubt that very much. The Desire S is stable with no generic problems, updates to sense 3.0 will come in due course, it is something they are working on. Incredible S has not received any updates since the 2.3 update, while the Desire S launched with 2.3. I fail to understand what the fuss is all about

atomicsoul said:
I doubt that very much. The Desire S is stable with no generic problems, updates to sense 3.0 will come in due course, it is something they are working on. Incredible S has not received any updates since the 2.3 update, while the Desire S launched with 2.3. I fail to understand what the fuss is all about
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@others i am pretty sure the phone will get updates in the future...
& alpharevX team is working on software s-off & have succeeded they will release it in public soon...

Alsoo you can't say anything about it not getting updates no more
I recieved an OTA update just now (like literally 15 minutes ago) and all it adds is **** i don't want. (bloatware). Yayyyy
new software number now = 1.47.161.2

I, like others on this forum, don't really see what the problem is. I came from a Hero and got the Desire S based on its merits as a handset straight out of the box, not what it could be with rooting and modding. As a straight out of the box experience, I've been overjoyed with the performance, look 'n' feel and general use of this phone. I did pay to borrow an XTC clip and s-off'd it quite quickly and as a tinkering handset, it's even better. The important thing is I would have been happy with it as it was... the s-off and root just makes a great handset even greater
The recent (albiet buggy) ports of Miui and Gingerbread/CM7 are evidence that the Desire S has a rich and rommy future

I'm guessing that everyone posting in this thread has a Desire S in which case...
If as me you like the device (which was why I bought it in the first place) then great, I can't see any need to continue adding to this thread.
If you don't - then buy another device or IMO don't continue adding negative posts to threads like this that will mainly be read only by other Desire S owners. It's still too early to predict/guess the level of support the device will get in the future and as the last month should have shown us no-one can accurately predict what HTC will do!
We all have the device and probably will all have it for at least one year, in some cases maybe two so either way we'll have to live with. So let's at least try to be positive!

Best phone Iv had. Coming from the HD2, and more recently the Galaxy S2, I cam honestly say this phone is near perfect. I diched the Galaxy S2 in the end because the touchwiz was in my opinion behind the HTC sense interface. The S2 was buggy and battery life lousy. The des S's build quality it brilliant, has a really quality feel to it. The 3.7 inch screen is also just right.. Hits the sweetspot between portability and usability. Personally I feel the 4" plus screens make the handset to big... Feels like taking a step back. Sure, the S2s hardware beats the desires in everyway, but when it comes to usability.. The desire kills it. For starters, theres no lag when waking up the phone..shockingly there is with the s2 which boasts a dual core processor. To sum up, I feel that the desire s is an awesome handset, not the most powerful, but it's reliable, does the things you want it to and more outa the box..and once s-off'd and sense 3 components added, I feel the phones near perfect. If I had to suggest just one improvement, I'd say keep the phone exactly as it is..but add some dual core muscle.
There.. That's my two pence worth.

No phone will get manufacturer support for more than 18 months or so in the new retail world. As to whether enough modders buy it to make it better, I really don't care much. I'd like HTC to fix a few niggles, but basically that's about it. I don't particularly care if it is upgraded to Android 3.0 either.

I came from the original Desire which I rooted and tried numerous different roms infact I got addicted to flashing not one week would go past without me trying a new Rom
My main qualms with the desire were lack of internal memory and I couldn't wait for gingerbread and sense 2.1
Now the DS has all these features as standard and people are still not happy in time all the custom roms will come you will be able to root and be s-off I'm sure when the original desire came out all these didn't turn up over night
So people please be patient
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I feel that the Desire S is the most attractive HTC phone in general.

I agree, it's pretty looking, robust, not too big.

What the future holds for the Desire S

Hey everyone. So I would like to bring you some discussion here about on what the future holds for our HTC Desire S when it respects to the official HTC support.
The main question here is, what do you think that HTC will do with the Desire S? Will they bring ICS to it? Will they try to be soft and bring just Sense 3.5? Or is our Desire S done and no more updates will come? It would be quite interesting to see what everyone thinks that may happen in the next few months

i doubt very much we will see anymore major official updates ,just maye a few revisions.htc support there phones pretty badly tbh,and as much as i love my desire s and this community i doubt very much i would purchase another one of the htc phones as it will carry on the same legacy i expect .

I think HTC will do nothing. They can't support all the phones they released which is why they've decided to take it slow
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I hope that HTC is still going to release an ICS update for Desire S, but that's probably false hope. HTC has released too many phones (about 5 different versions of the Sensation?) to provide support for every phone. They will just concentrate on the higher-end models, which unfortunately the Desire S isn't. Luckily there is a great community working hard to provide us with future updates

The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.

wnp_79 said:
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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what he said..... hit the nail on the head with that one

Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
The only reason i recommended the xperia ray was because he HAS to have a Vodafone upgrade. Vodafone's stock ROM on the desire s has that ludicrous 'pocket mode' forced on, and you can't turn it off. 8 hours battery life max. My dad ended up sending his back for that reason. He wouldn't let me root it!
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wnp_79 said:
Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
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No mate, I wasn't ranting at you
I was criticizing HTC for their poor decision. If the XL is getting ICS, we should get it. We have the same specs.
Heck, even the 2010 phone, Desire HD has near identical specs as the XL. Even that, should get ICS..
Silly move by HTC.
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olyloh6696 said:
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.

smash_07 said:
HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.

Dont know about you guys but HTC has always been keep-the-customer-in-dark with Desire S. IMHO I dont know why they do it... I mean it came with sense 2.1 and 2.3 when I bought. After a while some patches and fotas were there but when we got sense 3.0 it was some guys phone which got updated made the news not a disclosure or say news by HTC that its been updated and which makes my geeky mind cheer in the doubt of my mind that we may recieve ICS officially
Now about the thing that here are devs that are doing a hard job to get ICS on ours and imo they have been succesful as in there-was-no-way-but-they-did-it successful. But think if theres an official update what might happen then? I am no dev or **** but as I understand that would made works on other roms ports a heck lot easier...

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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
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Good explanation, but keep in mind, the Desire Z did not receive the official Sense 3.0 update.
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olyloh6696 said:
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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This is pretty sad, if HTC won't upgrade our Desire S to ICS. I mean, Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup--and those have the same chipsets as our Desire S! SE's flagship for last year, the Xperia Arc, was launched around the same time frame as our Desire S, with virtually the same Qualcomm chipset. No way HTC can use that excuse, and they know it.
18 months is not yet up for this phone, so if Google is right, we should expect support/updates till around September or so of 2012. As much as I dislike Sense, HTC ought to be ashamed of itself if they won't give us ICS. I can imagine they're in a bind, because they are compelled to give us ICS, but don't want us playing around with the ICS'ed Sense 4.0 and would rather have us get newer, more expensive 4 inch slabs
Come on, HTC. Gain some goodwill among us. Roll out ICS and the latest Sense. You know it makes Sense

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Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup
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That's the way to go, but just as always magic will not happen and HTC Desire S probably will not get ICS update because of that politic, meanwhile Sony Ericsson goes more democratical way and releases updates for customers, not only "top list'' customers as HTC do. I respect HTC, but the point how they sorts updates by devices is to drastic, just too painful for user like us, who knows what their device is able to do, but they simply do not feed it. To be honest, if HTC Desire S will get official ICS update, then it will mean that HTC is changing their political statement and magic is happening.

You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?

rayulove69 said:
You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
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dude, our posts are from days before the leak came out
But thanks for the effort I guess there will hopefully be a strong future for us!

wnp_79 said:
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"

Akishima said:
He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"
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Well good news anyway:
HTC announced ICS officially for us!
YIPPEE!!!