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I am debating on getting either a MT3G or a Touch Pro 2. I have a G1 now. I love it but I want something different. I am able to get both phones from T-Mobile at the price of a 2 year contract. Ive had a boat load of problems with my G1 and I'm actually on my 5th. I'm on my 2nd one in less then 2 weeks believe it or not. I told TMO I'm tired of them sending me refurbished pieces of crap I want something BRAND NEW the only thing they can do is offer me a new phone at contract price. They have phones they'd give me for free but do I really need aother razr? So if anyone could tell me what should I get I would apperciate it very much! I need to tell TMO by Monday. They set a stupid deadline for me, probably because of "Project Black".
I have both. For a good business type phone, I would highly recommend going with the PRO2. I often find myself resorting back to the PRO2 if I have to do a lot of multitasking. Copy and pasting documents while browsing the internet (4x different windows) with background music playing. It's a great device for multitasking - I can't stress that enough! To have the GPS on while browsing for an address on google shows no sign of memory struggle! The email apps is great on the PRO2 unlike the MT3G. Email will not sync at all (read and unread is a major problem in the EMAIL app of the MT3G). GMAIL app is great on the MT3G however.
The MT3G is a great all around phone. It does just enough for basic browsing and general gameplay but the whole WORD editing is lacking unless you pay $30 for D2GO (Outrageous price compared to the iphone). Memory intensive game is utterly useless. Games such as Spiderman and Assassin's Creed is horrendously slow. Regarding memory, I'm quite anal about the memory on my phone and the implementation that android has with no registry is wonderful. Especially installing and uninstalling apps from the market. Multitasking on the MT3G is not even comparable! Even when rooted and using compcache w/ back swapping/LS is nothing like raw built in memory.
Like I said. It all depends on how you want to use the phone. I prefer the multitasking, ability to edit/cut/paste word documents FOR FREE, rock solid performance and soon to be release 6.5 update of the PRO2. I appreciate the simplicity of the MT3G but the overall development is still too young to fully appreciate the OS. Of course, this is a personal preference but try out the two. I highly recommend that you be truthful to yourself because if you lie just to be bias to either phone, it'll leave you wanting more.
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I have both. For a good business type phone, I would highly recommend going with the PRO2. I often find myself resorting back to the PRO2 if I have to do a lot of multitasking. Copy and pasting documents while browsing the internet (4x different windows) with background music playing. It's a great device for multitasking - I can't stress that enough! To have the GPS on while browsing for an address on google shows no sign of memory struggle! The email apps is great on the PRO2 unlike the MT3G. Email will not sync at all (read and unread is a major problem in the EMAIL app of the MT3G). GMAIL app is great on the MT3G however.
The MT3G is a great all around phone. It does just enough for basic browsing and general gameplay but the whole WORD editing is lacking unless you pay $30 for D2GO (Outrageous price compared to the iphone). Memory intensive game is utterly useless. Games such as Spiderman and Assassin's Creed is horrendously slow. Regarding memory, I'm quite anal about the memory on my phone and the implementation that android has with no registry is wonderful. Especially installing and uninstalling apps from the market. Multitasking on the MT3G is not even comparable! Even when rooted and using compcache w/ back swapping/LS is nothing like raw built in memory.
Like I said. It all depends on how you want to use the phone. I prefer the multitasking, ability to edit/cut/paste word documents FOR FREE, rock solid performance and soon to be release 6.5 update of the PRO2. I appreciate the simplicity of the MT3G but the overall development is still too young to fully appreciate the OS. Of course, this is a personal preference but try out the two. I highly recommend that you be truthful to yourself because if you lie just to be bias to either phone, it'll leave you wanting more.
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How is the touch screen because I know the MT3G and the G1 have the same type of capasitive screen. I've never used a resistive touch screen phone. AM I able to use my fingers or and I anchored to the stylist? And as far as app is there a market place similar to the Android Market?
Hi dear,
I have been using my Nexus S for almost two month. Also I've been playing Omnia 7 which is WP7 for two weeks.
I quite like both OS and device. On the one hand, the reason I like Nexus S is openness and performance in terms of the powerful cpu&gpu. Honestly, the performance of WP7 devices is amazingly great and it is super smooth but... Cos of the powerful hummingbird 1ghz cpu, Nexus S shows better performance in game and multi-tasking.
Moreover, due to the openness of android, Nexus S allows me to play much more fun than WP.
However, Omnia 7 has super smooth internet browser which is using hardware accelerator.
So I can't choose which one I should keep with.
Can you guys give me any answer?
Ah my Nexus S has Super Lcd screen and I prefer it more than super amoled in terms of the density of texts when using internet browser.
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go for the Omnia!
I Have changet from Android to WP7 last week. i had a Galaxy S. now i have a Focus, and i am impressed by the performance of this phone, super smooth, super fast, no forceclose or something similar, no lag. this phone with this OS just works out of the box.
you seems to like the Nexus S more then the Omnia to me.
keep it up
It depends...what do expect from your device? If UI, browser (WiFi) speed and MS services, than wp7, if Google services, opened os to other apps without hassle, fast internet on slower networks (opera mini) etc, stay with droid...I'm wp7 now and I wish to be on droid. Apps are more expensive, alot free apps for droid are paid on wp7, free apps on wp7 have bigger ads...small things that bothers me, no tethering, no alternative browsers, no flash, no USB mass storage, less colors on display, needs Zune, less apps, no alternative to install apps, if u like iphone philosophy, u will love wp7, otherwise stay with droid....nexus will probably live longer thanks to opened bootloader and many roms
First of all thank you for your advice.
But I like both.
Both OS fills a lack of features of each other. That's why it's hard to decide.
Buy I'm totally agree with you. I have purchaesed a lot of stupid games in wp but I've realized that I don't need that much apps.
So now I only installed essential apps on my nexus and it's super smooth now. Around 200mb free memory space makes it as fast as omnia 7.
But one thing I still miss is music&podcast service. Zune music player is fantastic, so beautiful and easy to use. I miss them when I'm listening to music or search for the address of some podcast. It's too harsh for me.
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As a long time Android user (OG Droid) I cannot believe I am about to ask this. I know it will spur alot of hate my way, but I guess I can take it...
I am thinking of upgrading to the next Iphone (5).
I haven't thought lightly about this. As previously stated, I have used Android since the motorola droid 1 and since then I have rooted every phone and installed countless roms.
The common theme in all the phones and roms I've encountered is intermittent lag. Every phone, every rom, has had lag from time to time. I'm talking about having to wait 3-10 seconds for the dialer or home screen to come up.
I have tried all different homes, scripts, etc to improve it, but the problems remain. The problem is it's intermitent, that's why it's hard to isolate the cause.
Also, the only root privledges I really enjoy are removing apps and wireless tethering.
So a few questions for you guys:
Who here also has an iphone 4, 4s?
Does it have any lag at all?
Is there a way to bypass itunes to transfer music/vids to it?
Anyone convert to iphone and then regret it?
What limitations besides flash are there?
Is there a way to wirelessly tether?
Flame on, I'm ready
Galaxy Nexus and done
A few of my buddies have iPhones, dating back to the iPhone3G. They have all had problems at one point or another. All of them. Lag? Have you ever used an iPhone? Two of my friends have jailbroken iPhone4s that lag more than my OG Droid. They look at my Charge and drool. My friends with stock iPhone4's seem to have better performance.
iPhone3G had some of the most ****ty battery life I've ever seen on a phone. This was back in 2008. Everyone I knew who owned an iPhone3G had multiple chargers (office, home, car). Also, the iPhone3G didn't handle the OS updates as well as the 3GS and above. My friend who used an iPhone3G was basically crippled at times.
I've seen plenty of lag on the iPhone3GS as well. I have the iPod Touch (3rd gen) and have seen lag. My iPod Touch also likes to skip tracks whenever it feels like it.
I can't speak for the performance of the iPads, but I can offer my opinion: they're giant iPod Touches. NOT revolutionary in the least bit. I seriously hate iPads and hate Apple for ruining what "tablet computers" are. Even my supernerdyApplefanboy coworker got upset when the iPad was showcased. He was hoping for an actual tablet (he's an artist), and not just a giant iPod Touch.
EDIT: I'm surprised you haven't complained about your PC lagging.
I hardly ever have lag on my phones, and when it does happen its not extreme and doesn't last long usually just a stutter...
on a related note it bugs me when I watch/read reviews about android phones and all I see/hear is LAG LAG LAG LAG DERPY DERP DERP LAG then the reviewer proceeds to do a demonstration of it and it looks COMPLETELY NORMAL, like they're calling the two milliseconds screen transition lag and afterwards continue to say how horrible it is compared to iOS, which is retarded because they are two completely different os's and everyone knows iOS has its faults as well (one of which, surprise surprise, is LAG)
/end rant
Being that I am not a fanboy in either direction, I will give my input, and experience.
Lag. Not normally seen in a stock iphone, but ever so present of jailbroken.
Bypass itunes? Nope. And if you have never used itunes to sync, then coming from android, you may have a hard time getting used to it.
I have used android and ios. Regret it, no. but I prefer androids openness. If I was forced to only user ios would I be miserable? Not from the reliability standpoint. Personally I get bored easily, so I love flashing different roms with android.
Limitations? Ability to change roms. If you jailbreak then you can load up winterboard for themes, but you are still on the same os.
Tether? Possible, yet easier to track, and apple has been known to break this feature easily from their end at carrier requests.
My additional input. Unless the iphone 5 has at least a 4 in screen, and better battery to compensate, I will pass. The small screen does annoy me
I went from Windows Mobile 6.5 -> iOS -> Android.
Even a jailbroken iPhone still needs to call home (your PC) whenever you want to update it. You mentioned bypassing iTunes for adding music. While I am no expert on iOS, there is no method that I've discovered to do this on my Touch 4G. With the exception of my SD backup last night, I cannot remember the last time I needs a PC in front of me to do anything on my phone.
Lag has already been touched upon, and while I've seen it on occasion with Android, iOS 5.0.1 lags a hell of a lot more on my bone stock, with the exception on jailbreak, iPod.
There are plenty of ways to by pass iTunes, I prefer to CopyTrans Manager since it's free and simple.
http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php
There are wireless tether apps PdaNet, TetherMe, and MyWi for jailbroken iPhones on cydia. Be aware though that it is much easier for the carriers to detect tethering on IOS than android.
Macs=scam backwards. Enough said.
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Macs=scam backwards. Enough said.
Win...
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It really comes down to what you want in the long run.
My wife has the Iphone 4 and I have the charge. personally I like the charge better.
Its not in a locked environmet. If your phone lags, and all will it comes down to specs.
My next phone will have 1.5 gb cpu and 1gb ram simple enough for me. Then it will have to fall into a "can I mod it catagory".
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Macs=scam backwards. Enough said.
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This made me laugh. Never realized it.
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As a long time Android user (OG Droid) I cannot believe I am about to ask this. I know it will spur alot of hate my way, but I guess I can take it...
I am thinking of upgrading to the next Iphone (5).
I haven't thought lightly about this. As previously stated, I have used Android since the motorola droid 1 and since then I have rooted every phone and installed countless roms.
The common theme in all the phones and roms I've encountered is intermittent lag. Every phone, every rom, has had lag from time to time. I'm talking about having to wait 3-10 seconds for the dialer or home screen to come up.
I have tried all different homes, scripts, etc to improve it, but the problems remain. The problem is it's intermitent, that's why it's hard to isolate the cause.
Also, the only root privledges I really enjoy are removing apps and wireless tethering.
So a few questions for you guys:
Who here also has an iphone 4, 4s?
Does it have any lag at all?
Is there a way to bypass itunes to transfer music/vids to it?
Anyone convert to iphone and then regret it?
What limitations besides flash are there?
Is there a way to wirelessly tether?
Flame on, I'm ready
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The main problem I have with the iPhone (my mom has it) is that its browser lacks text reflow. You can use alternative browsers that can increase font size, but this can backfire on certain websites (such as dslreports) where lines begin to overlap. Windows Phone 7 also lacks text reflow, and this is a serious issue for me.
Obviously there's Readability, or even Safari's own built-in "Reader" function, to strip ads out of web pages and display text in a very readable format, but that doesn't work with forums or comment pages such as xda or reddit (which are my favorite parts of the web). This issue is exacerbated on iOS's relatively small screen.
As for smoothness and lag, there's no doubt iOS is smoother in all facets. It also doesn't experience standby drain issues, which I've struggled with dealing on my Charge. Its browser is silky smooth, and touch input is prioritized over all other actions (like web page rendering), so you'll be able to move around a page that hasn't fully loaded (you'll just see checkerboxes).
I was hoping Google would fix Android's lag issues with ICS. I want them to eliminate the Dalvik VM framework (it would at the very least spare their OS's future from Oracle's lawsuits) and run things in native code. If you've used WP7 you've no doubt been surprised at how oily smooooth it runs even on outdated Cortex A8 single-core CPUs.
Unfortunately, responses from Google's own engineers are incredibly disheartening. Take this one for example: https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/XAZ4CeVP6DC
Dianne argues points about the differences between iOS and Android, and how this leads to performance issues with Android (security and sandboxing leads to slowness). But later on in the thread an iOS jailbreaker by the name of "Jay Freeman" utterly destroys every one of her claims, pointing out iOS goes above and beyond what Android does (in that specific instance).
If one of Google's own Android engineers doesn't even realize their excuses for performance issues is completely invalid, how is Google ever going to improve their OS?
So yeah, if it weren't for LTE and text reflow in the browser, I might have moved on. You also may want to consider those issues before switching.
Also as a disclaimer, I've flashed the "pre-alpha" ICS ROM on the Charge, and while the stock browser loads much, much faster than Gingerbread, it still stutters and lacks smoothness. Opera Mobile is still by far the smoothest, but even that occasionally experiences microstutters. Many people won't notice or care, but as a former high(ish)-level FPS player I notice these details and it drives me crazy.
To the person above me... Jay Freeman aka Saurik is the person who basically invented jailbreaking. He is the iOS god-the JT1134 of the iPhone.
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I thought this debate died a while back. I don't have lag on the Charge, period.
Get a good ROM, Fugu, V-6, change scheduler, freeze stuff.
Or get Apple. If you have to even ask, then you probably should get Apple.
Besides, by the time the iPhone 5 is out, just think where Android phones will be.
Lol, worst place to post this thread Maybe you should try an iForum
On a serious note, I know what you mean, the UI is smooth as silk, apps open quick and the UI is super speedy. Honestly though, I just upgraded from a milestone (international version of OG Droid) to a Galaxy Nexus, and I really can't complain. I haven't played with a 4S but I mean this phone is buttery smooth with no lag whatsoever. The screen is gorgeous and I love having so much more real estate than a measly 3.7' device. I also could never get used to such a boring UI such as the one present on the iPhone. I mean seriously, the same, overrated UI for 7 years? Although I love what Apple does, their UI is lacking some serious innovation and I for one could never live with that UI on my phone.
As per whether iTunes is required or not, I believe if you are jailbroken, you can use a desktop app called iFunbox. Not sure about this one, but I know you can navigate through the root of the device but not sure if it would play with the native music/video player
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To the person above me... Jay Freeman aka Saurik is the person who basically invented jailbreaking. He is the iOS god-the JT1134 of the iPhone.
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Holy... *that* was Saurik? No wonder he was so knowledgeable about the ins and outs of iOS. I thoroughly enjoyed reading his posts. He somehow made it possible for even a layman like myself to understand what he was saying.
What frustrated me the most was that Dianne did nothing to follow up. She updated her post and admitted to being in error about iOS, but apparently didn't make the connection that her mistake made her entire argument completely moot.
I've always had high hopes for Android, but it's been frustrating me lately. The XDA community does an amazing job of tweaking, fixing, modding, speeding up, etc. to make Android run far better than even stock versions, but only a rewrite of Android's foundations will give it the power to run as ridiculously fluidly as WP7 does on 2009 hardware, let alone iOS on a single-core 600 MHz iPhone 3GS at 256 MB of RAM (albeit at low resolution).
As for Android being linux-based, Meemo is even more customizable and runs more smoothly, despite having less investment into it. Android deserves better. I want Google to stand up and say "we're breaking backwards compatibility to rewrite this OS". Take the lead, be bold, ignore the bleatings of the carriers and OEMs.
With WP7 and iOS not having full multi-tasking support, at least to the level that Android has it, that helps make them more fluid. If you don't have apps in the background taking up RAM and CPU time, regardless of how much or little of the system resources the app takes up, it is still wasted time. In return though, we don't have to worry about closing out music or the browser just to check a text message. If you want to remove the multi-tasking ability of Android, especially if done to ICS, I'm sure that it would be very smooth as well.
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With WP7 and iOS not having full multi-tasking support, at least to the level that Android has it, that helps make them more fluid. If you don't have apps in the background taking up RAM and CPU time, regardless of how much or little of the system resources the app takes up, it is still wasted time. In return though, we don't have to worry about closing out music or the browser just to check a text message. If you want to remove the multi-tasking ability of Android, especially if done to ICS, I'm sure that it would be very smooth as well.
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I don't think this is a fair argument. iOS multitasking is just done differently and has a scheduler optimized for mobile devices with battery constraints. However it is no doubt more limited, which is why I used Meego as an example. Meego has true multitasking, but is still extremely responsive to input with an extremely smooth UI. Even incomplete webOS is more responsive in the browser (although not smooth). And multitasking isn't the only issue with Android.
Take one of the poster's comments: "While the S2's browser is fantastic, other parts are not - such as an SMS inbox with a thread of 30 or so messages, or scrolling through a long list of contacts (it seems to 'stutter' when the ListView has to render headings while scrolling is occurring, so it's not 'fluid'). Third party apps suffer the same fate (i.e. IMDB: scrolling through 'Latest Trailers' or the 'Coming Soon' list, same app on iPhone - buttery smooth and flawless fluidity which makes the end-user feel good).
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Or Skype: install Skype, chat with someone, then scroll up the chat. I'm not even going to start on viewing/panning around PDF files ;(."
Another poster with a custom kernel claimed smooth experience on a different app with similar functionality, but that speaks to xda's accomplishments, and not to Android's effectiveness.
Jay Freeman (aka Saurik... I had no idea) sums up the above mentioned issue here:
"http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3332357 <- check out the responses from Xuzz and ryanpetrich.
In particular, iOS in fact has a multi-window architecture: applications can be made up of multiple UIWindows, and you can have UIWindows from different processes on screen at the same time. When you click on applications in SpringBoard, the transitions you see are animations of windows, and it would not at all be difficult to implement (from a rendering perspective) a scheme where different processes registered something similar to Android's activities, where clicking links slid one process's content off-screen while sliding another process's content on, even while sharing a navigation bar.
The status bar actually used to be an example of this, but they changed it at some point (and honestly I do not remember why, but I do not believe it to have been due to a rendering issue); the notification center, however, is a good current example: the window for the notification center is in SpringBoard, but it is rendering over and at the same time as the window for the application you are covering. There is also no issue having these windows alpha composite onto each other: the little popups that happen from clicking the volume buttons are windows in SpringBoard.
The reason for this is that, like with most multi-window environments (including Android), there is a window manager that is handling all of the actual compositing. In this case, it is SpringBoard, the process that manages the home screen, task switcher, notification center, lock screen, and honestly almost anything that has to be "always happening". The way this works is that surfaces (backed by system or video memory) are managed by a driver that allows them to be passed between processes: applications can render directly to their surfaces, while the actual surface hierarchy is maintained by SpringBoard.
Honestly, though: around here is where my knowledge is really fuzzy, and can't be trusted; Ryan Petrich's knowledge can be, so I will quote his comment from Hacker News: """On iOS, all standard rendering is done in a single context by the Core Animation window server which lives in SpringBoard. Only when an app adds an OpenGL ES layer to the view hierarchy does a separate context need to be created. When that happens, the render graph is split into subgraphs that are rendered to surfaces and displayed as overlays (with SpringBoard rendering all the standard layers and the app rendering the OpenGL layer)""".
The result of all this is that your comments regarding iOS's inability to handle multiple applications sharing screen real-estate in an efficient and secure manner are simply false: the fact that Apple does not support the Android notion of seamlessly moving between applications, with a back-button instead of simply an up/home-button, is simply an irritating business decision they make. As mentioned by Xuzz on Hacker News, it would be a simple manner to, for example, modify UIKeyboard to be handled by a separate process from the app that was calling for it: the involved work would not be rendering complexity.
Finally, the reason why you need to be careful with your view hierarchy to get 60fps scrolling is due to the complexity of loading new table cells and rendering them for the first time: once they are rendered they scroll quickly as the entire layer is cached (afaik, and if I'm wrong on this it doesn't actually matter). The problem on Android is that, even in the best possible cases, where you are staring at a trivial table implemented by the Android team itself (such as the Settings/Preferences app), there is noticeable UI latency and slop while moving your finger over the screen. When you read threads like the response to your first article on Hacker News, you can see this is a serious challenge for Android."
Dianne Hackborne's response is to disregard these points by claiming all of this is due to the nature of GPUs on old Android devices: "Unfortunately for us, until recently we just didn't have GPUs that could do multiple contexts, so if our system worked like that we wouldn't have been able to ship. :}"
She uses the Nexus S as an example of a "newer" device that solved these problems: "For example, a Nexus S can definitely does 60fps on well written lists."
Sadly, my Droid Charge still stutters on lists and when opening the app drawer.
Jay refutes her silly claims and cites an article on lag in ICS on the GNex and lambasts her for attempting to spread the false claim that Android's lag is due to sandboxing and security issues. I've even seen Hackborne (or at least someone claiming to be her) posting on sites like ArsTechnica with various long-winded arguments like the one she posted on Google+. It's bizarre how unwilling she is to directly address these complaints.
Sorry for the long post. It's a wonderful thread with plenty of amazing back and forth arguments. I just want Google to recognize the issues and talk about them more in public. Talk about how they're specifically addressing them. I'm excited as the next guy to get ICS, but it's just not enough. I've seen videos comparing browsing in ICS compared to a single-core A8 WP7 phone. Scrolling and zooming... just no comparison. As much as I hate to admit it, the idea of an HTC Titan II with 4.7" screen and LTE makes me jealous. What I wouldn't give to have an Android phone with that kind of user experience.
Ok, thanks guys.
So from what I'm hearing, it doesn't sound like a fundamental difference in user experience really. Sure you lose control unless you jailbreak, which causes iOS lag...
Most of what I want to do still seems doable. If I decide to go that route I would wait for the 5, as I have to have a bigger screen.
Next question for those that have experienced it. Is there anything comparable to Google navigation on iOS? I know Google has it on iOS, but it's crippled, I also believe there are paid versions, but is there anything free that's as accurate and reliable as the turn by turn Android Nav app?
How about theming? app drawers? I really don't like a cluttered homescreen with all my apps on it. I assume there is an app drawer app that can clean it up right? Oh, what about widgets?
I also want to thank you guys for the open and honest feedback without the usual dismissal that is usually found on some of these boards.
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How about theming? app drawers? I really don't like a cluttered homescreen with all my apps on it. I assume there is an app drawer app that can clean it up right? Oh, what about widgets?
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Haha, personalization, what's that?
It's great and I am enjoying it so much that I do not really care about Android! Does that make me strange or what?
Nope ! I have dual boot on mine, and never boot into Android ! I had a galaxy tab 10.1, was nice, but prefer webos
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I had a Transformer and got rid of it when I got my touchpad. I love the webOS!
the only reason I am using Android on the TP is because there are no PDF notation apps available (like ezPDF reader or repligo). One other reason is a note taking software with handwriting capabilities such as freenote+.
other then these two I am mostly in webos. the biggest reason being the poor battery life in android at the moment.
I'm in the same category here. I have mine dual-booted, but rarely EVER boot to Android. In fact short of Netflix & maybe a couple other apps not available on the HP side, I LOVE webOS.....even to the tune of buying a couple little apps from HP that would've had a free counterpart for Android.
Mind you, I'm still waiting for video to be fixed to make the ICS jump, but still.....webOS is entirely underappreciated.
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the only reason I am using Android on the TP is because there are no PDF notation apps available (like ezPDF reader or repligo). One other reason is a note taking software with handwriting capabilities such as freenote+.
other then these two I am mostly in webos. the biggest reason being the poor battery life in android at the moment.
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Dunno about PDF-notation, although I would think it's in Picsel Smart Office.
Handwriting apps are available on webOS. I currently use Doodle Pad. It's not feature-rich but not basic either. For 2,99 it's a great catch. Also, NuttyBunny is working on a feature-rich handwriting app. But there are a few more in the App Catalog, so that shouldn't be a problem.
I remember using my HTC Diamond and finally getting Android on it. Occasionally I had to boot back into windows mobile and I found the experience so disconcerting... Android seemed to just "behave" the way I wanted my phone to behave.
Now I feel the same way about WebOS. I boot into WebOS to use Skype and it feels like such a relief. I still use Android as my daily, but there is always a tinge of regret when I have to go back to Android.
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Dunno about PDF-notation, although I would think it's in Picsel Smart Office.
Handwriting apps are available on webOS. I currently use Doodle Pad. It's not feature-rich but not basic either. For 2,99 it's a great catch. Also, NuttyBunny is working on a feature-rich handwriting app. But there are a few more in the App Catalog, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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to me this is still a problem. Doing just the basic of doodling is not enough for me. the apps available right now in webos are just that. and if you follow the Nuttybunny thread it apparently has been abandoned.
and there is no pdf notation in either of the office packages either.
still waiting...
I love it too
Sometimes I seat back and wonder why WebOs is so under appreciated, I think the media has a big part to play in its demise (or is it?). Safe for the lack of apps, my TP simply stunning and I can say this because, I have Ipad, Iphone, and Galaxy note. But I just can't bear to sell my TP. I still hope it will not be a souvenir.
I agree. I still use my Touchpad on a daily basis. It's much easier to use than an Asus tablet I have.
Check the webOSNation forums, there's a PDF markup app in alpha or beta right now.
Beyond that, I dualboot, but only to run Ubuntu. Ditched the Android partition a while ago. Much prefer webOS on a daily basis.
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Love webOS but lack of apps
You're not strange for loving webOS. The interface is nothing short of beautiful and user friendly. The gestures make it that much better. I've got ICS loaded on mine and usually the only reason I spend more time in ICS is because of the apps.
When I registered my TP, I made the mistake of being honest and entering my actual location (Austria) when I opened the App Catalog. I don't know why, but I can't see any Paid apps and even the selection of free apps is pretty sad
But I've managed to get Kindle installed under webOS and Skype works a charm. I'm loving the fact I can use the TP as an oversized desk/speakerphone when I pair it with my DHD. The sounds quality in webOS is also pretty brilliant in comparison to ICS.
Like I said, if it weren't for the restriction on Apps for my region, I would be logged into webOS almost permanently.
Okay I'm currently running ICS on my evo 3d and know pretty much nothing about webOS could someone tell me the features of it.! Cuz ik a guy is working on an evo 3d webos rom now
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WebOS is what I know a mix between Palm OS, and iOS....
Other than that, I know almost nothing about it....
Google is your friend, so go ahead and use her... she is the only girl who won't mind you using her...
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Not worth flashing in my opinion, Android is superior in every way. It's just so far behind.
I can't think of any features of WebOS that Android doesn't already have.
ColdBlog said:
Not worth flashing in my opinion, Android is superior in every way. It's just so far behind.
I can't think of any features of WebOS that Android doesn't already have.
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Swipe!, The lovely calendar!, TRUE MULTITASKING, Really Apps that you can use to work (NOT MILLION APP OF FLASHLIGHTS!).
And WebOS is a lot powerful it doesn't use everything on the phone. For example I installed Ubuntu on my Pre with 1.00 Ghz (Not dual Core) and my Atrix 1.45 Ghz (Dual Core) and my Pre runs a lot better.
Now that WebOS is open source but not already all the files I will not have doubt or even think twice about install WebOS on my Android phone.
This is just my point of view.
*I like ICS but it lacks yet of a lot of features that I was waiting for...but I still like it *
Thanks for all and God bless you.
Easily hacking, great multitasking, webos internals. Id love to run it on my RAZR, though don't want to **** with doing it.
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Funny question and answers.
I was talking to a friend 2 days ago, iOS developer... big Linux and Mac fan who preached to the 7 corners of the Universe that iOS was the way and that Windows was hell. He was then forced into Microsoft stuff because MS just created a partnership with his college and basically took over every IT division. Guess what? He's a MS technology convert. iOS now sucks and WP7 is the way... it took several months, several coding and MS visits, but he's a convert.
Conclusion: Most people have no clue what they're talking about when bashing on other technologies / Mobile OS's.
I can't talk about Symbian 'cause that one I haven't used but, out of every other mobile OS, WebOS is to me - with WP7 mango close behind - the best Mobile OS there is. iOS and Android have all caught up since Palm introduced it and it's sad the Pre was such a horrible hardware.. but for example, I have yet to find an e-mail app that compares just a bit to the native webOS email client. I have tried ALL of them... ALL, like every single one of them on my EVO (for almost 2 years now) and NONE compares or are capable of handling messages like webOS do. That is only one feature.
What's wrong about webOS for the general public? The lack of the thousand flashlight apps available. You'd be a fool, otherwise, not to try it...
And yes, I am a proud HTC EVO 4G user who still don't understand why Google with all the money in the world and engineers; and its proud developers can't do complex things pretty, easy and efficient as Palm managed to do in webOS; with almost $0 cash.
Just make sure everything works and that your favorite app is available in webOS
before jumping ship. Otherwise you'll be blaming webOS and not the developer who didn't ported said app.
I've used both operating systems. webos is true multitasking, making it is easier to jump between open programs. You can even group open windows/programs together in stacks if you want.
With HP releasing open source WebOS, it will be more universal than Andriod.
Wow, I love opinions . I have only used ios and android, so as stated above I will not bash what I haven't experienced. My only fear is that web OS won't have all the games/apps I want. It sounds like webOS is a multitasker's best friend however. And I agree. It blows my mind that with MILLIONS of developers android has, many being on XDA, we (because I am trying to learn developing also) can't perfect the OS. But yeah, I won't convert until ik that my favorite apps/games are available on web. Sounds amazing nonetheless though.!
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ognimnella said:
Okay I'm currently running ICS on my evo 3d and know pretty much nothing about webOS could someone tell me the features of it.! Cuz ik a guy is working on an evo 3d webos rom now
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because of my veer 4g
I love Webos
The multitask on webos is awsome, Android multitask has nothing to with that, even the Ice Cream Sandwich multitask is not as goood as the webos one and the notification is also awsome on webos, i miss these on my Galaxy S.
You had to have actually used WebOS for a few days to understand its beauty (I had Pre 1 & 2).
You can toggle radio, Bluetooth, screen, flashlight directly from the pull down menu, which is always available. Frequently used apps (the bottom route odd home screen) can be brought up from any app/screen by dragging your finger up, instead of having to press home, then select (of course, you can do that too).
True multitasking, live background app previews (apps update their screens in the background; notice ICS background apps like music have old screen shots). 2 motions to close current app and choose another open app (ICS needs 5!), 1 sideways swipe to toggle between previous and next apps (2 taps on ICS, and I frequently select the wrong one of the last two),
WebOS internals made finding, installing, and updating hacks & kennels a no brainer (CWM is brain surgery on comparison). The list goes on.
The interface and interaction were just very smooth & efficient. It just seems like everything takes longer to accomplish on Android. I'm pretty happy with my Galaxy Nexus, but a merge of WebOS and Android would be the dream phone OS.
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Not worth flashing in my opinion, Android is superior in every way. It's just so far behind.
I can't think of any features of WebOS that Android doesn't already have.
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i agree with you , Android is a power !!!
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Alexandre1545 said:
The multitask on webos is awsome, Android multitask has nothing to with that, even the Ice Cream Sandwich multitask is not as goood as the webos one and the notification is also awsome on webos, i miss these on my Galaxy S.
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absolutely with you in this !!
palmcrash said:
You had to have actually used WebOS for a few days to understand its beauty (I had Pre 1 & 2).
You can toggle radio, Bluetooth, screen, flashlight directly from the pull down menu, which is always available. Frequently used apps (the bottom route odd home screen) can be brought up from any app/screen by dragging your finger up, instead of having to press home, then select (of course, you can do that too).
True multitasking, live background app previews (apps update their screens in the background; notice ICS background apps like music have old screen shots). 2 motions to close current app and choose another open app (ICS needs 5!), 1 sideways swipe to toggle between previous and next apps (2 taps on ICS, and I frequently select the wrong one of the last two),
WebOS internals made finding, installing, and updating hacks & kennels a no brainer (CWM is brain surgery on comparison). The list goes on.
The interface and interaction were just very smooth & efficient. It just seems like everything takes longer to accomplish on Android. I'm pretty happy with my Galaxy Nexus, but a merge of WebOS and Android would be the dream phone OS.
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+1 I miss hacking my pre on the fly. Want a new Kernal, just pop open internalz, made it so.much easier.
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Palm is the grand daddy of the current smartphones IMO. Palm OS was a great OS with amnny apps (favorite was the player that let me open mkv videos).. WebOS is great follow up to it but was overtaken by android. To me webos is a polished easy(I mean real easy OS) to use it feels like something meant for a phone where as android is so complicated in comparison that half the people that have it don't even know its pontential and simply use it as a regulaar phone. Its sad to seea how webos has gone down it would have been an OS any one could usand not need a be a surngent to understand
Used android for years, rooted, latest roms, etc. Even swapped out radio image files. Got my touchpad after the firewall, and love webOS. As has been pointed out, everything is easier, love the multitasking.
Currently getting ready to triple boot with Ubuntu and Android simply because I need access to some very specific apps. Outside of those apps, I will still be using webOS as my daily. Still a cleaner and faster OS.
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I have a Touchpad with cm9 ics and webOS for the original boot. I think webOS is smooth and fast. It's enjoyable to run it after being on android for so long.
Plus android cm9 ics has no front facing camera. So I jump into webOS to use Skype.
Best of both worlds.
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android is getting better and better...
I also have a HP TP with CM9 now... the android versions getting better and better with every (nightly) version, but the main performance issues are too heavy. e.g. there is no dual core support, the 3D engine doesnt work at its possibilities and, maybe not as important as the over issues, the camera.
the really good thing on webOS is the awesome multitasking feature! webos also ist veery smooth an fast...very sad that there isnt (yet) a big community workin on it (but soucre seems to be published so..)
i work on both systems. but android is my main system for things like games and facebook. but for HD movies for example i switch to webos
Meego (what Intel and Nokia were working together) was open sourced and even it is not being developed on. The real problem is that there is no momentum and impact on WebOS, compared to iOS and Android. While it may have good ideas, a lot of the problems in contributing comes from hardware compatibility. The touchpad audience is kinda small, compared to what Android is being targeted at. I imagine porting it to other phone/tablet devices would bring it's own bag of problems, too.
shurane said:
Meego (what Intel and Nokia were working together) was open sourced and even it is not being developed on. The real problem is that there is no momentum and impact on WebOS, compared to iOS and Android. While it may have good ideas, a lot of the problems in contributing comes from hardware compatibility. The touchpad audience is kinda small, compared to what Android is being targeted at. I imagine porting it to other phone/tablet devices would bring it's own bag of problems, too.
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Meego never had a market. Only two devices were ever released. webOS felt like it had a chance to beat iOS when it first came out, and was a flagship phone for Sprint for a time.
webOS, on the other hand, has a lot of loyal users and developers ready to help deal with any hardware problems when we get started porting. There are a good number of developers hanging over on Sprint with their Pre-'s, or even better, FrankenPre 2's. People who are willing to do that for an OS are the kind that aren't leaving you any time soon.