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I am torn between the Samsung Focus and Samsung Captivate. I like the look of WP7, but I also like the rich features of Android. I have tried out both, and honestly I like the WP7 interface and keyboard better. I am 14 so I do lots of texting and the WP7 keyboard beats Android's by a long shot, but I like the widgets and general openness of Android. Can you give me any suggestions?
Well, I also had the decision between Android and WP7. I took WP7 because Android felt a bit laggy =/ Windows Phone 7 looks simple but is very stable and there are lots of features (and the next Update will bring about 500 new ones).
I had to choose between WP7 and Android 6 month ago. I took a WP7 (an Omnia 7 because Bouygues Telecom didn't have the HTC 7 Mozart that I wanted).
I made my choice for the UI of WP7, very simple, all apps have the same UI, and no complicated non-intuitive menus. But I can't share contacts via Bluetooth or use my phone like USB-key; Generally this actions happen rarely but I see and use Metro UI and Metro UI apps every days.
I hope that my English will be good enough.
I am having HTC desire, just ordered HTC Mozart, android though good but is very laggy sometimes with horrible battery life, hope Mozart has better battery, the WP7 UI is good and simple am amazed with new features coming in Mango
I used WP7 for 3 months. Liked it very much but limitations made me crazy. It was LG Optimus 7.
Than I took SE Arc and man that's awesome. Android is miles ahead, whatever WP7 offers. And you know, battery life is a myth now. Arc is working even longer on one charge than WP7 device. As well as lagginess, it's also a myth now.
However it's a matter of personal choices.
And be careful, this thread can turn into war soon
WP7 of course!
Even had a SGS 2 for two weeks but was really disappointed with Android.. so i just bought a WP7 phone and im not chaning back anytime soon! All the features im missing will get fixed in Mango so.. =)
WP7 for me
Hi Laura331,
I originally chose Android and purchased an entry level ZTE Blade handset (also known as the orange San Fransisco) and was not very pleased with the supplied O/S so i decided to root it and run the Cyanogen mod. It was nice looking and functional but it did lag quite a bit and then i found that one of the cyanogen mod updates had a virus written into it and that my telephone bill went through the roof due to a rogue auto dial application, needless to say the device was wiped and i started again with the Japanese Jellyfish mod (also nice looking but performance was worse than Cyanogen)
After all this i was of the opinion that Android is much the same as the old WM6.5. Choose a ROM, Build, squash bugs, wait for decreased performance, wipe and repeat.
Now i still have the Blade but sorry Dom (above) i have to disagree about the resolution of the bugs that i am still seeing with every Android rom, maybe its the entry level handset. However if that is the case the argument for better hardware being needed to run Android rings true.
Anyway i then bought an HD7 and although there were a few important things missing for me i have found that i can quite easily use it as a daily driver, its smooth, literally bug free (no restarts or ROM wipes) and is very tactile, infact its everything that WM6.5 and Android isnt. Add to this the plethora of tweaks and improvments coming with Mango and you have a mature O/S (that has hit the scene amazingly quickly) almost at a par with the years old and very experienced apple iOS, i fear Android may be running to catchup sooner than expected.
Either way my personal preference is the WP7 O/S but i suggest you try both handsets and utilise the 30 day cool down period with each handset to properly make your decision.
Kind Regards,
Creamy
creamy said:
Hi Laura331,
Now i still have the Blade but sorry Dom (above) i have to disagree about the resolution of the bugs that i am still seeing with every Android rom, maybe its the entry level handset. However if that is the case the argument for better hardware being needed to run Android rings true.
Creamy
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Without a doubt these problems exist. But as you pointed, Android exists on so many different devices, also on phones with lower specs which are ALWAYS quite buggy/laggy and much worse in performance. You have no idea how WP7 or iOS would behave in those circumstances just because there is no comparison. There is a reason why 1st gen WP7 had such strict hardware limitations.
As for speed - SE Arc is exactly the same hardware as WP7 but it's even snappier.
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Without a doubt these problems exist. But as you pointed, Android exists on so many different devices, also on phones with lower specs which are ALWAYS quite buggy/laggy and much worse in performance. You have no idea how WP7 or iOS would behave in those circumstances just because there is no comparison. There is a reason why 1st gen WP7 had such strict hardware limitations.
As for speed - SE Arc is exactly the same hardware as WP7 but it's even snappier.
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Sorry, I'm going to have to stop you there.
I had an Arc (got it with my contract) along with my Omnia 7(bought it loose before), and it is not smoother than my Omnia.
While you can argue that Android has more functionality, WP7 is just smoother and far more pleasant to use (for me, IMO).
doministry said:
Without a doubt these problems exist. But as you pointed, Android exists on so many different devices, also on phones with lower specs which are ALWAYS quite buggy/laggy and much worse in performance. You have no idea how WP7 or iOS would behave in those circumstances just because there is no comparison. There is a reason why 1st gen WP7 had such strict hardware limitations.
As for speed - SE Arc is exactly the same hardware as WP7 but it's even snappier.
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SE Arc has not the same hardware, it has a MSM8255 and WP7 has a QSD8250
45nm vs 65nm and Adreno 205 vs Adreno 200 (205 is a GPU 2x faster than the 200)
if you want lag on your phone on a regular basis, android is your best bet.
all that lag on android is now a myth, is a myth.
...if you like to spend hours fiddling with your phone, flashing, tweaking, than Android is your best choice. If you like something smooth and easy to use, with maybe for the time being a little less functions, then I recommend WP7....
I used to be a WM "power user", the todays equivalent of Android, flashing and customizing whatever I could get hands on, but I now enjoy the relaxing smoothness of my HTC Mozart, just doing what I need, right out of the box....
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...if you like to spend hours fiddling with your phone, flashing, tweaking, than Android is your best choice. If you like something smooth and easy to use, with maybe for the time being a little less functions, then I recommend WP7....
I used to be a WM "power user", the todays equivalent of Android, flashing and customizing whatever I could get hands on, but I now enjoy the relaxing smoothness of my HTC Mozart, just doing what I need, right out of the box....
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I kept my Blade for flashing and playing with O/S's as that is what Android is best at, however if the stock ROM's do not improve significantly (for all android hardware) Android will be viewed by many as an alternative to WM6.5 not WP7.
It will never be my daily driver due to the virus i had, potentailly compromised open source apps without a decent antivirus (which will no doubt crucify the O/S and HW) cannot be trusted.
I guess there is an advantage to closed source
Regards,
Creamy
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Sorry, I'm going to have to stop you there.
I had an Arc (got it with my contract) along with my Omnia 7(bought it loose before), and it is not smoother than my Omnia.
While you can argue that Android has more functionality, WP7 is just smoother and far more pleasant to use (for me, IMO).
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Yes but equally WP7 is slooower in many areas like scrolling for instance.
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Okay thanks for correction.
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Yes but equally WP7 is slooower in many areas like scrolling for instance.
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Scrolling??
Are you sure young man? Android scrolling is an abomination in comparison with WP7, infact i think it was the smoothness of operational functionality like scrolling that Xylias was referring to.
Regards,
Creamy
To the OP, Doministry is correct to say you should check out both and go with what you prefer, the ony caveat to that is that any WP7 you try right now does not have Mango which will add a ton of new features to WP7 in a couple of months time.
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I am torn between the Samsung Focus and Samsung Captivate. I like the look of WP7, but I also like the rich features of Android. I have tried out both, and honestly I like the WP7 interface and keyboard better. I am 14 so I do lots of texting and the WP7 keyboard beats Android's by a long shot, but I like the widgets and general openness of Android. Can you give me any suggestions?
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I have Vibrant which is related to captive an these has to be the best phones out there an there almost a year old the gpu blows anything out there out of the water an u can flash roms which makes it feel like u have a new phone every time an android is pretty smooth even do it doesn't have hardware acceleration an really wp7 is boring :-/ an future look dim an android has ics coming which is gonna add hardware acceleration also app store sucks actually my friend had WP7 an he brought it back 2 days later to get droid X
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Don't get the captivate. I rather you suffer WP7 limitations. However if you could afford a SGS2 or a HTC Sensation 4g, go for it . No lag, twice as smooth, no restrictions, better apps, real multi player games, docstogo which is pawning unreleased mango office. On the HTC you can even remove bloat without root, and it has the HTC hub.
No need to flash roms or fiddle with your phone. Unless you want to, you have the option.
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I have a vibrant. Had a HD7.
Valid arguments can be made in either direction so, ultimately, it comes down to personal taste. What do you want from your phone?
I personally feel that, compared to WP7, Android is "boring". We've had static icons since the days of Windows 3.1. Aside from Live Tiles, there is so much built into the OS that just works right out of the box...and works well. Apps will come, if that's your thing, but i wouldn't base your purchase on that.
WP7 offers a very fluid experience and does it with style. Just about everything that other phones can do will be there soon except it will be in a different context. One that i find to be new and exciting.
I'm not saying "Android Sux" or anything as it does have it's merits, it just wasn't for me. Just more "same old same old".
I was curious to hear from former Android users how you like WP7. Mainly what are your main gripes and what functions did you actually use that are no longer available. Also, are the tradeoffs worth it in the end and what features really *make* swapping worth it. I have loved android for a long time but I'm kind of wanting something new and have liked the wp7 interface from day one. Thanks!
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Here goes:
Mainly what are your main gripes
No apps, and if there are apps they are over priced and crap alternatives to Android versions.
Homebrew is going to cost money.
I know its a phone and should mainly just be a phone, but there is nothing to do on it, I never leave my Android phone alone always playing with something but this I treat it like a nokia 3310 lol.
What functions did you actually use that are no longer available
I don't know what it is but there are some things missing but Mango is looking good but still not as good as Android and Ice Cream Sandwich will be coming out around the same time.
Are the tradeoffs worth it in the end and what features really *make* swapping worth it.
Only thing that is making me want to swap over is the Xbox Live thing other than that Android is far superior.
I have loved android for a long time but I'm kind of wanting something new and have liked the wp7 interface from day one.
I love Android also and also wanted to try something new but Windows Phone 7 isn't something new. Stick with Android and Launcher7 lol ^^
I think I'm fine with paying for my phone to be unlocked personally, one time fee for the latest beta builds forever? Honestly I don't know why HTC Samsung and Motorola aren't looking into this for android devices so they can make some extra $ and make us impatient (or reasonable people that don't like waiting for their craptastic skins) people happy.
I don't care much for Xbox live like I use to but I definitely like Zune pass (really its probably the top single feature that has me wanting wp7 as I use my phone for music a lot).
I love android but honestly, I'm tired of trying to throw on custom ROMs (its fun but tiring) on every phone I get trying to keep up with the updates. I think the only thing that is holding me to android at this point is the ability to wifi tether my phone to my tablet and the fact that mango phones are on their way (fall is only 2-3 months away so announcements should be made soon?)
So guys, is there some feature that I am missing that you really either miss from android or you really like that wp7 had when you made the swap?
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i switched from my old Desire Z and X8 (both of em are still in use sometimes) to a 7 Pro.
so in my own personal opinion, a small "comparision":
1. UI & Customization
I like the UI of WP7 alot more, you can use Launcher7 on Android but it doesn't feel as good. Its smoother and a lot faster, mostly due to inability of "customization" but i really don't miss it. The tile system works surprisingly well, and yeah i don't have a lot to complain about.
No wallpapers, no app launchers etc. It's a locked phone pretty much. If you don't mind, well just don't care
If you want customization stay with Android, else both of em are good in their own ways -> personal preference.
2. Apps
For most people an important point. If you compare Android market to WP7 market, WP7 looses.. big time!
You are charged for almost every app (and a good bunch of em are overpriced!). While free apps, and sometimes test versions of the paid apps are good enough, its still nothing in comparision to Android.
If you want specific apps, check prices first! (i'd recommend it before buying the phone )
There are some social features integrated into WP7 but at the moment (Pre-Mango for me still), they aren't complete. The replacements for those features are at best mediocore, sometimes they shut off randomly etc. There might be some better apps for those, but since i don't use em very much, i havent searched for them.
Otherwise the quality of the apps and games i downloaded is really good, though some of em are missing. As i said, check before you buy the phone, if you didnt already.
3. Features:
Well again the points goes to Android. Bluetooth File Transfer, Tethering and stuff like that, you won't find it on any current WP7 phone (unless you are a Mango user, but i don't know if they implement some of those features). If you need it, well i wouldn't recommend buying a WP7 as of now.
Other than that, i don't really miss any important ones.
4. Final Thoughts:
Since i don't have the WP7 for too long forgive me if i missed or overexaggerated on somethings.
In the end i think, WP7 is a real good OS. While locked down very hard, it just works (just like the hated Apple). While it does feel kind of inferioer to Android (due to the lack of some importants features mostly), it really isn't. There are workarounds for everything, though they are complicated sometimes
With Mango.. well no, even now in MY opinion (which means only for my needs etc), i equal WP7 to Android. While i still use my Androids sometimes (mainly for tethering etc), i often see myself not missing those phones.
I'd recommend WP7 everytime, as well as Android. Just get some information on both, maybe if your friends have said phones, compare them ( or go to the store and do the same).
In the end it comes down to one's need and preference
If you want, you could wait for Mango devices. Though i guess they won't up the hardware too much, maybe add some features like Front Facing Camera and stuff like that, but that's it.
I hope i could help some
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I was curious to hear from former Android users how you like WP7. Mainly what are your main gripes and what functions did you actually use that are no longer available. Also, are the tradeoffs worth it in the end and what features really *make* swapping worth it. I have loved android for a long time but I'm kind of wanting something new and have liked the wp7 interface from day one. Thanks!
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This entire WP7 OS is simply beautiful and fluid. Rather than 95% of all other android devices, all WP7s are completely lag free while still having a very attractive and intuitive interface. I have 28k apps at my disposal and that means one for everything I would want. The WP7 community here is amazing and hacking / development itself isn't fragmented. I've owned 3 android devices and 2 iOS devices in the past and I'm honestly never looking back.
Android too me seems very slow and inconsistent. Running a Samsung Galaxy I often find when the thing lags, it lags to the extreme. The whole app-store mechanism I find a mess, especially because to much power is given to the app developers. More often then not, they abuse these powers which destroys your battery life.
I like the way WP7 is headed, and I like what Microsoft is doing to keep it a reliable platform. What I don't like however, is the update-procedure as it's very poorly performed. I'm not blaming any company in particular, but I do think updates needs to rolled out faster. Why do ISPs have to test every minor update?
Other then that, the WP7 UI is far superior, and app support is coming along well now. We just need a major bump and hopefully Nokia will spark this? I'm looking forward to purchasing a 2nd gen phone, namely a Nokia.
I went from iphone 3gs to blackberry torch to palm pre 2 to samsung focus to atrix 4g to iphone 4 and back to samsung focus and i love it.
The largest difference to me is that WP7 lacks customization. With android you will hardly ever find 2 phones that have the same ui and settings. All windows phones home screens look the same. I am ok w/ lack of apps. Honestly there is pretty much something for everything already. What would make me happy and never go back to android is being able to personalize the home screen. Maybe some transparent tiles and a wallpaper background for homescreen. that would be awesome.
I'll try to keep this succinct. I had an Evo 4G for the last year, then switched to an HTC Arrive a couple days ago.
Like:
-Most of the apps I used on Android are available on WP7
-As a Zune Pass subscriber, having that ecosystem on my phone is awesome
-It feels like for tasks I do often, I can do all of those tasks in a lot less time than it took on Android
-I primarily develop in .NET, so the dev tools are way friendlier to me than Android's.
Dislike:
-WP7 doesn't have anything that comes close to the awesomeness of Google Navigation
-I'm pretty heavily into the Google Voice ecosystem. Losing the tight integration there is annoying.
-As a Zune Pass subscriber, the lack of expandable storage is agonizing. I can never completely get rid of my Zune HD because it's still the device I have to go to if I want access to all of my music/podcasts.
-The Amazon Android App Market's free app of the day has spoiled me so badly on the pricing race-to-the-bottom front that I am finding it very hard to convince myself to buy any of the games on WP7.
Overall, I am having a good time so far. There is some functionality I am missing, but nothing that I'd consider a showstopper. I still have my Evo 4G, so I might end up switching between the two devices every couple months or so.
I just switched from a samsung mesmerize to a HTC TP7.
My first impression was WOW. I instantly liked the tp7. it's more responsive, it's faster, i can do stuff faster, and everything loads faster. Typing on the screen is more accurate and fixes my screw ups better.
As for apps, the android market has tons more, but in my experience 99.99999% of them are completely and totally useless and the ones that aren't useless i found to be lacking. There were a few that were good, but not many. So far the ones i've tried on WP7 actually seem to be of decent quality and i can find an app for everything i need so far. Some are still obviously in the early stages and need some more features but the app feels higher quality. Of course the windows marketplace has it's share of fart, burp and police light apps. (who downloads these stupid things?)
My ONLY complaint so far is the fact i can't do custom colors on the tiles. the stock colors frankly suck. I tried unlocking the phone and chevron doesn't find the phone at all so i'm wondering if this phone just isn't unlockable with that method. Not being able to do custom tile colors just seems like an obvious omission that should have been fixed allready.
Other than that i like this phone MUCH better, it's faster and doesn't hiccup as much as android did. The loss of customization sucks a bit but honestly, who really cares. I'd rather have the phone work well than be able to customize the wallpaper. The tile color though is killing me.
lots of very good points expressed already, and I agree with most.
However: wm6.5 was far superior to my android in all the little area's that I liked / wanted to tweak... which left me disappointed when I switched to android and frustrated with the infancy of the android based os / app wanting some of the simple things that I was used to on wm6.5.
Then I jump back to windows mobile (thinking it will be great to reg edit again) only to find... tile overlay with no access to the good stuff, and on top of that extremely limited in more ways than android... apps (android copycat) extremely limited and very high priced... I never needed apps to do what I wanted. windows already had it, I just needed to turn it on or off and or tweak it the way I wanted it. customize to no end.
Now I really like the smooth integrated feel, and I took a step down in hardware just to get the operating system. I am back to hacking a android wanna be like device just to get to the meat of the phone, so I can use the power of wm7. I think...
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Now I really like the smooth integrated feel, and I took a step down in hardware just to get the operating system. I am back to hacking a android wanna be like device just to get to the meat of the phone, so I can use the power of wm7. I think...
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It's WP7 !
I think all we have to do is to wait a bit. My only problem is, that the application store is pretty empty(and overpriced), but hopefully it's gonna change.
What I see is, that Microsoft tries to copy Apple in terms of system optimisation, and simplicity, and so far I say it's successful.
I hope once the marketplace will be flooded with applications, there will be a serious filter on what apps they allow, and what they don't. The main criteria of selling on marketplace should be to have a perfectly smooth application on every windows based mobile, because what I see now is far away from that. Applications seem to just thrown together for wp7 in a day or 2.
Otherwise coming from android myself, I miss certain apps, or games, or functions, but the other hand I'm impressed by it's UI, and smoothness.
WP7 has potential, but it's time is not yet here. Once a great poet said in youtube comments: "Iphone is the past, Android is the present, WP7 is the future"
I came from evo 4g and I love it I got an arrive. Its so quick. And something no one mentioned battery life is great sure if I game for a while I will need a top off bit other then that a work day is no problem btw my work day is 12 hrs
There are some surprising holes in WP7 which I didn't expect compared to other OS.
1) No common Compass API - it's down to individual hardware manufacturers to supply drivers and they all implement it in a different way. So what works on an LG won't work on a Samsung or HTC. Really hinders the use of maps and star gazing apps etc. This is despite the compass being a mandatory part of MS' hardware spec. So much for MS' tight hardware platform control. And don't think about trying Mango - even if you have the compass working in NoDo it won't in the Mango Beta - and MS say it wont be availible until the OEMs release their final versions. The whole point of a Beta and RTM is so developers can test and adapt their software ready for launch - but with the compass augmented apps (one of the killer features of modern smartphones) they are screwed. We have a common API for GPS, why not Compass?
2) No PIN delay - even the most basic phone that offers Exchange support allows a configurable delay before the phone is PIN locked, or respects the delay imposed by an Exchange security policy. Everytime my screen goes off - I have to enter an 8 character password - despite the Exchange policy allowing a max 20 minute delay. Is this fixed in mango? Is this how MS works with MS?
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I have to say that I am just wowed at the RTM version of Windows Phone Mango. I know that the drivers are not optimized for my Dell Venue Pro due to me forcing the RTM and I know that most of you dislike WP7 but WOW. It is undoubtedly even smoother than iOS and certainly beats out the smoothness of android. I didn't think you could get smoother than iOS as the hardware is built for the OS all by the same company but kudos to windows for how amazing a job they've done. The facebook, twitter, and linkedin integration clearly exceeds the social network integration of any other OS and the gaming is just amazing. I know iOS currently has us beat in that department but with Microsofts uncanny ability to throw infinite funds at whatever the hell they need to I don't see that being an issue for too long. Aside from that the OS is buttery smooth, the market place is filling fast, it's got everything an OS needs and then some and of all the OSes I've tried on the hundreds of devices I've had, I'm in love.
My brother has a Dell Venue Pro and he's had a hell of a lot of issues with it. He just finally managed to update it to the latest version the other day so I don't know if it's managed to iron out any of the issues yet.
So what I was wondering is have you had any issues with yours? And what about after updating it to Mango?
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I have to say that I am just wowed at the RTM version of Windows Phone Mango. I know that the drivers are not optimized for my Dell Venue Pro due to me forcing the RTM and I know that most of you dislike WP7 but WOW. It is undoubtedly even smoother 1 than iOS and certainly beats out the smoothness 2 of android. I didn't think you could get smoother 3 than iOS as the hardware is built for the OS all by the same company but kudos to windows for how amazing a job they've done. The facebook, twitter, and linkedin integration clearly exceeds the social network integration of any other OS and the gaming is just amazing. I know iOS currently has us beat in that department but with Microsofts uncanny ability to throw infinite funds at whatever the hell they need to I don't see that being an issue for too long. Aside from that the OS is buttery smooth 4, the market place is filling fast, it's got everything an OS needs and then some and of all the OSes I've tried on the hundreds of devices I've had, I'm in love.
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Wow its smooth. Who cares? Its also ugly as hell, has annoying transitions (giving you your illusion of smoothness) and is incrdibly boring. My phone is smooth, (Even American Android ROM on SD is amazing) Runs multiple operating systems, has the benefit of multiple marketplaces, and other app sources as well as multi platform games. (from classic pc games to console emulators to mobile time wasters) is fully customisable, and most importantly IS FUN!!!!!!! The only downside is the battery life. (1 day on SD android which is fair enough as I have livewallpaper and tonnes of widgets) When microsoft produces a comparable phone please let me know, but untill then have fun scrolling around your boring menus smoothly.
lol, the op is a funny guy. He hates android and then goes fanboy on wp7.
I run wp7 on my hd2 myself, running YukiXDA's v5 NoDo, and its ok, it's not as great as Android and I do feel rather limited with the tiles and simplistic menus..
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Wow its smooth. Who cares? Its also ugly as hell, has annoying transitions (giving you your illusion of smoothness) and is incrdibly boring. My phone is smooth, (Even American Android ROM on SD is amazing) Runs multiple operating systems, has the benefit of multiple marketplaces, and other app sources as well as multi platform games. (from classic pc games to console emulators to mobile time wasters) is fully customisable, and most importantly IS FUN!!!!!!! The only downside is the battery life. (1 day on SD android which is fair enough as I have livewallpaper and tonnes of widgets) When microsoft produces a comparable phone please let me know, but untill then have fun scrolling around your boring menus smoothly.
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Ugly as hell? No offense but what the **** are you smoking? WP7 is hands down the best looking mobile OS on the market. It makes iOS and Android look archaic and stale by comparison.
Android has it beat on features and app count, but as for usability? NOTHING approaches the usefulness or beauty of WP7. It's UI design is award winning for a reason--because it's great .
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lol, the op is a funny guy. He hates android and then goes fanboy on wp7.
I run wp7 on my hd2 myself, running YukiXDA's v5 NoDo, and its ok, it's not as great as Android and I do feel rather limited with the tiles and simplistic menus..
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There's no doubt Android is the more customizable OS with the bigger app catalog, but there's nothing "simplistic" about Live Tiles--they blow icons AND widgets out of the water, especially in Mango.
There's little question that WP7 is still in its infancy, but MS nailed the user interface dead on, and with Mango it only got better (ran an iPhone for 2+ years and run Gingerbread on a rooted Nook--I like 'Droid, it's a great OS, but WP7's UI is simply superior).
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Wow its smooth. Who cares? Its also ugly as hell, has annoying transitions (giving you your illusion of smoothness) and is incrdibly boring. My phone is smooth, (Even American Android ROM on SD is amazing) Runs multiple operating systems, has the benefit of multiple marketplaces, and other app sources as well as multi platform games. (from classic pc games to console emulators to mobile time wasters) is fully customisable, and most importantly IS FUN!!!!!!! The only downside is the battery life. (1 day on SD android which is fair enough as I have livewallpaper and tonnes of widgets) When microsoft produces a comparable phone please let me know, but untill then have fun scrolling around your boring menus smoothly.
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yup, your phone is smooth on wp7, runs 1 good OS and a few laggy ones with vast marketplaces, emulates (which is admittedly nice but with real high quality games on your OS who needs em?), is customizable, but regardless of customization will be laggy and ill-responsive, and if you're a crack flasher its fun. I like spending my time using my phone, not putting a new rom on it on a daily basis. I'll let you know that many years ago Microsoft released winmo5, it does all you apparently need minus the vast marketplace full of low quality apps and malware. Enjoy using a broken UI, I'll enjoy having a UI that moves when I want it to.
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My brother has a Dell Venue Pro and he's had a hell of a lot of issues with it. He just finally managed to update it to the latest version the other day so I don't know if it's managed to iron out any of the issues yet.
So what I was wondering is have you had any issues with yours? And what about after updating it to Mango?
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the device had more than its fair share of issues before the official dell update, shotty camera, random reboots, and crappy connection all on account of poor drivers made by dell, now it's astounding. Mango just improved it, you won't find a smoother device out there.
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Wow its smooth. Who cares? Its also ugly as hell, has annoying transitions (giving you your illusion of smoothness) and is incrdibly boring. My phone is smooth, (Even American Android ROM on SD is amazing) Runs multiple operating systems, has the benefit of multiple marketplaces, and other app sources as well as multi platform games. (from classic pc games to console emulators to mobile time wasters) is fully customisable, and most importantly IS FUN!!!!!!! The only downside is the battery life. (1 day on SD android which is fair enough as I have livewallpaper and tonnes of widgets) When microsoft produces a comparable phone please let me know, but untill then have fun scrolling around your boring menus smoothly.
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Its not ugly, its bold and informative.
Its not annoying transitions, its dynamic.
Its not boring, its simplistic and intuitive.
Your phone is laggy. Androids are laggy, even with supercalifragilisticexpialidocious hardware.
What's the point of running multiple OS's when you're not gonna use them all at the same time.
Emulators are lame, it can't beat the real thing.
Full customization means endless possibilities of making your phone look so good its wasting time, wasting time = waste of battery -> waste of money.
Its not fun because its laggy and ugh and yuck and spit.
Microsoft already went there, the most recent version of Windows Mobile that can be compared to andr-yuck is Windows Mobile 6.5, and then Microsoft moved on to WP7.
Have fun playing and flashing your phone.
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yup, your phone is smooth on wp7, runs 1 good OS and a few laggy ones with vast marketplaces, emulates (which is admittedly nice but with real high quality games on your OS who needs em?), is customizable, but regardless of customization will be laggy and ill-responsive, and if you're a crack flasher its fun. I like spending my time using my phone, not putting a new rom on it on a daily basis. I'll let you know that many years ago Microsoft released winmo5, it does all you apparently need minus the vast marketplace full of low quality apps and malware. Enjoy using a broken UI, I'll enjoy having a UI that moves when I want it to.
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Ummm, that's going too far. Android is a great OS. It's UI is nowhere near as good as WP7's, but that doesn't make it a bad OS. Just a stale one
I sooo love the "Android is laggy" crowd. They're cute.
"Who cares about features, WP7 is smooooooooooooooth. Weeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!1111"
Erm, yeah, so is my CM7 (and I could swear the Eclair my phone came with was too).
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There's no doubt Android is the more customizable OS with the bigger app catalog, but there's nothing "simplistic" about Live Tiles--they blow icons AND widgets out of the water, especially in Mango.
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But it is just so boring, and yes, bloody ugly.
Why did MS get it's inspiration from a kid's toy? They sent out WP7's made of Lego so even MS think it looks blocky and dull. Heck they had to blackmail their staff into using WP7 handsets.
I'm sure there are a few people who are into lists and excessive scrolling, I'm one of the majority who aren't.
I do feel it's good that minority products are made though to cater for such interests.
Incidentally, have they fix the issue with listening to movies over Bluetooth with the Mango update or is it still lacking that basic feature?
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the device had more than its fair share of issues before the official dell update, shotty camera, random reboots, and crappy connection all on account of poor drivers made by dell, now it's astounding. Mango just improved it, you won't find a smoother device out there.
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I think he's had more problems than just that; he can't even use the marketplace! Thanks for the reply though, might be able to convince him to get the beta even if he does have a tendency to avoid anything "not official". I'm currently just trying to keep my Omnia 7 unlocked (having problems with updating the diagnosis tool).
I'm going to avoid the fanboy flamewar that's started on this thread, though I will say that as much as I do love my WP7, I would like to get an Android alongside it. As for the iOS, well...I had an iTouch which I loved (sold it recently to get an upgrade), but I would never get it as a phone.
One thing's for sure though: They all have their pros and cons; they're all far from "perfect".
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I sooo love the "Android is laggy" crowd. They're cute.
"Who cares about features, WP7 is smooooooooooooooth. Weeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!1111"
Erm, yeah, so is my CM7 (and I could swear the Eclair my phone came with was too).
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one more updated android phone will always seem smoother than its predecessor but in comparison to a hardware accelerated UI they just aren't. I care quite a bit about features and with the release of Mango I have tons of features that I would've spent days finding on xda and the marketplace just to have a comparable device. These features are all right out of the box.
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one more updated android phone will always seem smoother than its predecessor but in comparison to a hardware accelerated UI they just aren't. I care quite a bit about features and with the release of Mango I have tons of features that I would've spent days finding on xda and the marketplace just to have a comparable device. These features are all right out of the box.
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erm coulda i swear cm7 is smooth, and if ya didn't know gingerbread android is hardware-accelerated, could be better, but it is .
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erm coulda i swear cm7 is smooth, and if ya didn't know gingerbread android is hardware-accelerated, could be better, but it is .
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No idea where you're getting your information from but it's wrong... Samsung has modified it with the GS2 to make it about 90 percent hardware accelerated but that's about it...
I run MIUI with a custom kernel that is underclocked to .8 and it runs smooth as butter. Plus, its entirely themeable so if the UI gets boring, just switch it. I also get almost 2 days of battery with mild use. WP7 is cool but I think it still has a lot of catching up to do.
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But it is just so boring, and yes, bloody ugly.
Why did MS get it's inspiration from a kid's toy? They sent out WP7's made of Lego so even MS think it looks blocky and dull. Heck they had to blackmail their staff into using WP7 handsets.
I'm sure there are a few people who are into lists and excessive scrolling, I'm one of the majority who aren't.
I do feel it's good that minority products are made though to cater for such interests.
Incidentally, have they fix the issue with listening to movies over Bluetooth with the Mango update or is it still lacking that basic feature?
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I don't find it dull at all. I see where it could be, if you lumped all your same color tiles together, but I stagger them out and pin other apps with colorful live tiles to my start screen and it ends up looking very nice.
But issue #1 is simple usability. WP7 has it in spades, Android and iOS don't, at least not to the same degree. And as a 2+ year iPhone user and current iPad and Android on Nook user, I'll tell you this: I spend FAR less time scrolling in WP7 than in either of the other OS's.
As for A2DP, it works fine for me and always has.
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erm coulda i swear cm7 is smooth, and if ya didn't know gingerbread android is hardware-accelerated, could be better, but it is .
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CM7 IS smooth, and it's a very nice OS. But it's not as smooth or as fast as WP7, especially Mango.
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I run MIUI with a custom kernel that is underclocked to .8 and it runs smooth as butter. Plus, its entirely themeable so if the UI gets boring, just switch it. I also get almost 2 days of battery with mild use. WP7 is cool but I think it still has a lot of catching up to do.
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I agree that it has some catching up to do in the feature set, but Mango really does get it about 90% of the way there. It's removed every major ***** I had early on (and I had a lot ), and added features I didn't think I would care about but turned out to be fantastic. I truly can't see myself switching off WP going forward ever again.
I am confused on which would be the better os. I can upgrade and don't know which one to go with. I do some texting surf the web and play some games. Just wandering what other people think of the two systems.
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I am confused on which would be the better os. I can upgrade and don't know which one to go with. I do some texting surf the web and play some games. Just wandering what other people think of the two systems.
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They both have pros and cons. Android is the one to choose if you enjoy customizing you phone and messing around with it with some extra functionalities. WP7 is more usable out of the box and is smoother, but it's quite locked down as a platform. Anyway you describe yourself like a pretty average user, so it seems like WP7 could be a better option for you.
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They both have pros and cons. Android is the one to choose if you enjoy customizing you phone and messing around with it with some extra functionalities. WP7 is more usable out of the box and is smoother, but it's quite locked down as a platform. Anyway you describe yourself like a pretty average user, so it seems like WP7 could be a better option for you.
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I agree. Although, you might find that the openness of Android is a ton of fun. You might find yourself not so average after all. I suggest you play around with the phones at a store and get a feel for them.
Yes; openness begets depth, naturally. Guess it all depends on how you wish to use your device. Apparently, if you're looking for the smoothest homescreen, dialpad and keyboard response then WP7 is for you. If not, and willing to sacrifice microsecond differences, as well as a wealth of opportunity and option, Android might be more your thing.
Kidding aside, just depends on what you're looking for.
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sorry i don't know about mango..but android is the best ...
darenkan said:
sorry i don't know about mango..but android is the best ...
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Nice one, chicken.
If your really into games, Androids your choice, plus its got some pretty sweet music apps with customisable eqs, crossfade, you name it. Imo mango's more fluid as in smoother than Android
In the end it all depends on you. Why don't you check them both and see for you self
I'm checking Mango, it's quite smooth system, although I miss some features and freedom from Android.
i like android better, because of its many functionalities, plus you get a lot of free apps that makes your android experience better .
What carrier do you have? With sprint there is only one windows phone and i would tell you to choose most android phones over it.
My recommendation is for Android, open source and highly customizable.
For your needs, I'd go WP7. Android is better for those who want to tweak and hack their phones but if you want an overall better experience for the things you listed in your initial post, then I'd go WP7.
I actually bought and iPhone 4s, thinking UI fluidity was the most important thing, and while everything ran great I couldnt do everything I wanted I couldn't save links as, or download mp3s from websites basic things an Android can do. I ended up selling and getting gs 2 for sprint, it isn't as smooth but honestly I know now that it doesn't really matter because I can do anything freely. Most apps are free, great community support, free tethering removal of carrier iq etc etc I'm really happy with it. Windows is smooth as well but that just isn't enough these days
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I would (and have) gone with android with a HTC Sensation XE and i think personally android is way better than WP7
Sold my HTC HD7 last week cause the content is still far behind Android, there's not even a dropbox app on it
Maybe 1 year from now, i might consider again buying a windows phone but now it is still Android hands down. And Ice cream sandwich is coming. gpu accelerated UI and apps. Better animations so wp7's smoothness won't be so much of an advantage anymore. That's why i came back to android.
And the games for windows phone almost all are craps.
More device options with Android, Windows has better cloud capabilities.
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Sold my HTC HD7 last week cause the content is still far behind Android, there's not even a dropbox app on it
Maybe 1 year from now, i might consider again buying a windows phone but now it is still Android hands down. And Ice cream sandwich is coming. gpu accelerated UI and apps. Better animations so wp7's smoothness won't be so much of an advantage anymore. That's why i came back to android.
And the games for windows phone almost all are craps.
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why dropbox when the cloud is integrated immensely well. Also, I've had much more fun on wp7 games than android plus I dig gamer points.
I was at at&t today and the looked at android and wp7 although wp7 looked smoother u really can't do much with it to customize. Now im getting android so does anybody know anything about lg thrill. Thanks for all the input.
I prefer Android by a large margin because it's open system, easy to customize, just works better for me. My present phone is an HTC Sensation but I also have an old HTC HD2 that is dual boot with both WP7 and Android and while I enjoy puttering around with Windows there is no way I could do without Android as my main phone OS.
I recently got an iphone 3g for cheap just to mess around with, and even though its very outdated, a lot of the menus and scrolling is super smooth. Obviously this is because of the hardware acceleration that uses the GPU. ICS was supposed to turn this on for the sensation, correct? It is noticeably better than in Sense 3.0/Android 2.3, but still not nearly as good as the iPhone. I use the CNN app, fully loaded website scrolling, and menu scrolling as my subjective measures.
Does anyone have a technical explanation for this? I'm just curious.
Google search: the core reason why Android is laggy is the way it treats UI rendering. While on iOS UI rendering happens in a separate thread with real-time priority, on Android this happens in the main thread with normal priority. This of course means that other apps can take over your processor resources and hurt basic UI interactions, translating into a noticeable lag. If you tap and hold into the Safari window while it’s loading a webpage, the loading process stops, as UI rendering has the highest priority and takes over. The result is that the webpage will not load until you lift your finger off, but the UI will remain buttery smooth all the time. Android has a radically different approach - it will try to maintain a reasonable response rate for the UI and load the webpage, but often the framerates would drop causing a visible lag.
I might be wrong but I'm not sure if all apps are GPU accelerated by default. I think developers need to add a little line of code in to enable it?
My UI is running totally fine and smooth, but if you use Livewallpapers + a lot of Widgets it may lag a bit.
However because the UI of the Iphone is much simpler it is rendered faster.
Lionhardt said:
I recently got an iphone 3g for cheap just to mess around with, and even though its very outdated, a lot of the menus and scrolling is super smooth. Obviously this is because of the hardware acceleration that uses the GPU. ICS was supposed to turn this on for the sensation, correct? It is noticeably better than in Sense 3.0/Android 2.3, but still not nearly as good as the iPhone. I use the CNN app, fully loaded website scrolling, and menu scrolling as my subjective measures.
Does anyone have a technical explanation for this? I'm just curious.
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its cause iOS is weak and outdated, can't do anything.
looks ugly, no integration to anything, no options, no real multitasking(freezing apps), no widgets and lots more
320x480 low resolution
and with my XE i did not encounter any lag at all with latest ics, also running LWP
I am experiencing nothing but buttery smooth awesomeness no lag, nothing.
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bduvel said:
its cause iOS is weak and outdated, can't do anything.
looks ugly, no integration to anything, no options, no real multitasking(freezing apps), no widgets and lots more
320x480 low resolution
and with my XE i did not encounter any lag at all with latest ics, also running LWP
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Define 'weak' and how iOS 'cant't do anything'.
Looks are subjective.
Integration with what?
Less options
True the multitasking isn't quite 'real' and it doesn't have widgets.
320x480 with a single core 400MHz processor from more than 3 years ago.
Same here, ICS is very smooth on the Sensation IMO.
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Define 'weak' and how iOS 'cant't do anything'.
Looks are subjective.
Integration with what?
Less options
True the multitasking isn't quite 'real' and it doesn't have widgets.
320x480 with a single core 400MHz processor from more than 3 years ago.
Same here, ICS is very smooth on the Sensation IMO.
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customization wise, in application sharing wise, limited to one browser wise, no flash wise, restricting background data for applications, limited to apple keyboard
guess i could go on for a while and i dind't even start with HTC's Sense feature's to Android.
iOS may be responsive, but it is limited.
Did u see iOS 5.1 on "the new iPad"? the quadcore had trouble with the fps from resolution when going into album and scrolling through like 30pictures, imagine if you have thousands of pictures.
and remember the most simplest things can not be done without jailbreaking iOS, like installing a file manager or you name it. Everything has to go through iTunes. Like you can't install applications send by email or so.
im outta here!
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customization wise, in application sharing wise, limited to one browser wise, no flash wise, restricting background data for applications, limited to apple keyboard
guess i could go on for a while and i dind't even start with HTC's Sense feature's to Android.
iOS may be responsive, but it is limited.
Did u see iOS 5.1 on "the new iPad"? the quadcore had trouble with the fps from resolution when going into album and scrolling through like 30pictures, imagine if you have thousands of pictures.
and remember the most simplest things can not be done without jailbreaking iOS, like installing a file manager or you name it. Everything has to go through iTunes. Like you can't install applications send by email or so.
im outta here!
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Agree with customization wise and the fact it has no Flash but what did you mean by application sharing wise?
Not sure about restricting background data though.
Well, you can use different Browsers but they use the Safari engine, I think Opera Mini is the exception. Also, there are some alternative keyboards.
Nope, I didn't see iOS 5.1 but will have a look for that.
Perhaps, but I don't see why a File Manager should be necessary. True, but why would one want/need to install an application by email if they're all in one place already?
Anyway, I won't post anymore on this since it's a bit off topic.
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customization wise, in application sharing wise, limited to one browser wise, no flash wise, restricting background data for applications, limited to apple keyboard
guess i could go on for a while and i dind't even start with HTC's Sense feature's to Android.
iOS may be responsive, but it is limited.
Did u see iOS 5.1 on "the new iPad"? the quadcore had trouble with the fps from resolution when going into album and scrolling through like 30pictures, imagine if you have thousands of pictures.
and remember the most simplest things can not be done without jailbreaking iOS, like installing a file manager or you name it. Everything has to go through iTunes. Like you can't install applications send by email or so.
im outta here!
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You can do all those things you named with iOS as long as you jailbreak the thing. The iPad 3 doesn't have a quad core processor, it has the same as the iPhone 4s with an upgraded GPU. I found it too rather disappointing, but just because it scrolls slow it doesn't mean it is bad. Have you seen GTA III or MC3 on iOS?
You make it sound like jailbreaking is bad, but most of the people who buy an iDevice don't need as many options as a person who buys an Android device. The plusside of iOS is its wonderful usability. It is more intuitive than Android.
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You can do all those things you named with iOS as long as you jailbreak the thing. The iPad 3 doesn't have a quad core processor, it has the same as the iPhone 4s with an upgraded GPU. I found it too rather disappointing, but just because it scrolls slow it doesn't mean it is bad. Have you seen GTA III or MC3 on iOS?
You make it sound like jailbreaking is bad, but most of the people who buy an iDevice don't need as many options as a person who buys an Android device. The plusside of iOS is its wonderful usability. It is more intuitive than Android.
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Yea the OS is so good that you need to jailbreak it.. it may be alittle easier to use yes but you don't have to hack android to get some special apps to do this or do that.
I don't get it why you should defend iOS, it runs smoother cause everyone has the raindrop background on their phone and the same interface with few options to change anything at all.
If you had stock android on the phone without Sense like the Nexus Galaxy things would be different. (although Sense is not lagging with ICS for me)
And kozmic about the sharing, Apple was proud to show off their "twitter/facebook" integration so u could "share" things to those applications.
Android has that option to all applications which can make use of it.
And like i said above here all other things possible without doing anything to your device without "hacking/jailbreaking" it. iOS is basic.
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Yea the OS is so good that you need to jailbreak it.. it may be alittle easier to use yes but you don't have to hack android to get some special apps to do this or do that.
I don't get it why you should defend iOS, it runs smoother cause everyone has the raindrop background on their phone and the same interface with few options to change anything at all.
If you had stock android on the phone without Sense like the Nexus Galaxy things would be different. (although Sense is not lagging with ICS for me)
And kozmic about the sharing, Apple was proud to show off their "twitter/facebook" integration so u could "share" things to those applications.
Android has that option to all applications which can make use of it.
And like i said above here all other things possible without doing anything to your device without "hacking/jailbreaking" it. iOS is basic.
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iOS is basic because the people who use it normally aren't power users. That's why people like the OS. It is clean.
If you are a power user on iOS, you have the option to jailbreak.
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Yea the OS is so good that you need to jailbreak it.. it may be alittle easier to use yes but you don't have to hack android to get some special apps to do this or do that.
If you had stock android on the phone without Sense like the Nexus Galaxy things would be different. (although Sense is not lagging with ICS for me)
And like i said above here all other things possible without doing anything to your device without "hacking/jailbreaking" it. iOS is basic.
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I always hear people complaining that they hate Sense/MotorBlur/TouchWiz/etc all of which are deeply intergrated into Android that you need an unlocked bootloader, S-OFF, root in order to go back to a AOSP experience..
Sense doesn't lag on my phone with ICS either, but some need to put the CPU back at the stock speed in order to compensate.
and technically, there are some things you can't do on Android unless you "hack" it either..
I have to tell you that after extensive reading, holding my breath and more reading; rooting and loading the ARHD ROM makes my Sensation a tough competator to iphone 5.
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jthumanist said:
I have to tell you that after extensive reading, holding my breath and more reading; rooting and loading the ARHD ROM makes my Sensation a tough competator to iphone 5.
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Dude, where did you get an iPhone 5 ?
V1k70r said:
Dude, where did you get an iPhone 5 ?
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He found it at a bar!
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He found it at a bar!
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He's from the future.
LOL thats so true. I have an iPod Touch 2G with a 432 Mhz Processor and 128 mb of RAM and yet it is smoother than my HTC Sensation with a 1.2 Ghz Dual Core and 768mb of RAM. However, I am currently very impressed with Windows Phone. I still love HTC therefore my next phone will be WP7 with HTC. No need to worry about rooting, custom ROMS etc. I will enjoy a smooth experience with regular updates from Microsoft. Can't wait for it!
I'm not going to pretend it's super smooth all the time, cause it's not. The Sense homescreen is anywhere from 40 to 60 FPS, while that's not bad, it's inconsistent, I can feel it dip. If I go into the HTC Music application, pick a playlist, and go to Queue, I get 20 FPS tops.
It's an improvement, but an overrated one at that.
That reminds me, I'm happy I preordered the iPad 3;The new iPad...there going out of stock already and it's not even in stores yet...lol...I love Apple and sometimes Google.
See http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=...beginStartDate=20120210&endStartDate=20120310
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