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played with the viewsonic g tab at office depot

I have to say after doing the updating in the store from my nexus i am very much unimpressed, if this is what dual core tegra phones are gonna be a like count me out. The screen looks great the ui is horrible and the thing is extremely slow and the touch screen is very unresponsive. The design seems different from the 1 I see on the sears website so I'm assuming there is a difference between the 2 for the screen. Any further input would be you wonderful though as I can't see spending 399 dollars on thhis. I have been thing is getting a galaxy tab but it seems like development is awfully slow on it

ianandamy said:
I have to say after doing the updating in the store from my nexus i am very much unimpressed, if this is what dual core tegra phones are gonna be a like count me out. The screen looks great the ui is horrible and the thing is extremely slow and the touch screen is very unresponsive. The design seems different from the 1 I see on the sears website so I'm assuming there is a difference between the 2 for the screen. Any further input would be you wonderful though as I can't see spending 399 dollars on thhis. I have been thing is getting a galaxy tab but it seems like development is awfully slow on it
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well... there aren't many people here that are going to disagree with you at face value. the UI is crap and it hinders this from greatness out of the box. The ad pictured in Sears is the wrong picture, Sears, Office Depot, and Staples are all carrying the same thing.
hopefully based on your post count and the fact that you own an N1 I'm sure you know why you are here. This is a solid device, just not out of the box. Go through the threads and you will hear the same thing.
If you don't mind (or actually enjoy) a little flashing then you will be good to go. the are instructions that have covered pretty much every issue that Viewsonic screwed up here.
Most of us went into it knowing we had a 30 day return policy and majority of us aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Good luck and as you probably know, don't hesitate to ask.

Once you flash it is speed it up tremendously or really not a very noticeable difference? Vs The galaxy tab what do you think is the better device. Can you install stock firmware

Most of the mods remove the TapNTap UI and replace it with a more familiar Android interface. And the latest mods have the newer Tegra drivers which boosts performance.
I would not go on what you see in the store. It's night and day with what the mods give you. But, the device still has flaws - some games don't work properly and the screen angles are not very good versus a Galaxy Tab.

ianandamy said:
Once you flash it is speed it up tremendously or really not a very noticeable difference? Vs The galaxy tab what do you think is the better device. Can you install stock firmware
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If your feeling adventurous you could always bring a microSD loaded with TnTlite 2.2 and flash the floor model. Then you can see for yourself how good it really is

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If your feeling adventurous you could always bring a microSD loaded with TnTlite 2.2 and flash the floor model. Then you can see for yourself how good it really is
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funny you should mention that. I actually had mine flashed before I was out the door of sears that first week it came out
But YES... the difference is night and day. I am a proud Galaxy 'S' Vibrant owner (AXURA 2.1, FROYO, with Front Facing Camera) and just didn't see the benefit of a 7" tablet over my phone for the money; had Samsung gone with a 10" it might be a different story. Paying for an additional data plan wasn't my cup of tea either seeing I can tether my tab wirelessly to my phone and I also have a ClearSpot MiFi router, I decided to try this route and I am very happy that I did.
Again, with a return policy you really have nothing to lose (except time well spent).

I never even tried to use it with the stock firmware. I flashed mine as soon as I got home. I saw the videos and knew I didn't even care about it at stock. I also enjoy flashing my devices. It is fun to kill some time. I am currently using the latest TNT lite. I love mine.

Well, the UI is fast and responsive once you install one of the modified ROMs. Stock TNT definitely sucks. The hardware itself is good - if you don't mind the moderately crappy LCD. That we can't improve in software.
Lots of hacking and alternate ROMs out in the less than a month this device has been on shelves. When we get source code from Viewsonic, expect even more.

Anyone know of a way to get it cheaper coupon deal etc

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Anyone know of a way to get it cheaper coupon deal etc
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Try searsoutlet as lots of people got a return for @ $279.
I got one at that price (now I own two now)

Ok thanks called and its a no go when did you find it online or store

I just defected to the xoom

So I loved my Gtab but I just couldn't stand the screen . I tried so many times to look past it and a couple times to actually replace it. I ended up picking up the xoom on a contract from vzw. I wanted to thank roebeet, rothnic, gojimi and everyone else that made the tablet useable. NOW DITCH THE GTAB AND START DEVELOPING FOR THE XOOM! LOL
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see ya........

kpowr82 said:
So I loved my Gtab but I just couldn't stand the screen . I tried so many times to look past it and a couple times to actually replace it. I ended up picking up the xoom on a contract from vzw. I wanted to thank roebeet, rothnic, gojimi and everyone else that made the tablet useable. NOW DITCH THE GTAB AND START DEVELOPING FOR THE XOOM! LOL
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First you're going to need to get that SD card slot working...

thank you

Bought the xoom on release day, returned it yesterday. I could not justify the expense of over 1000 between the 599 price tag and 2 year Verizon data plan. Tablet looked great, love honeycomb but the rest seemed rushed. No flash,SD card and I would have to send it in for up to a week for 4g, something I could replace myself in 15 min.
I will keep my g tablet and if honeycomb becomes available then even better. In all honestly the xoom really made me appreciate my ipad even more.

kpowr82 said:
So I loved my Gtab but I just couldn't stand the screen . I tried so many times to look past it and a couple times to actually replace it. I ended up picking up the xoom on a contract from vzw. I wanted to thank roebeet, rothnic, gojimi and everyone else that made the tablet useable. NOW DITCH THE GTAB AND START DEVELOPING FOR THE XOOM! LOL
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What was it about the Gtab screen that drove you so nuts? Did you need to do a lot of viewing at angles?

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First you're going to need to get that SD card slot working...
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So true, but being a 'Google experience' device I don't think I'll be waiting long.
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For leaving? My pleasure!
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dolphinc said:
Bought the xoom on release day, returned it yesterday. I could not justify the expense of over 1000 between the 599 price tag and 2 year Verizon data plan. Tablet looked great, love honeycomb but the rest seemed rushed. No flash,SD card and I would have to send it in for up to a week for 4g, something I could replace myself in 15 min.
I will keep my g tablet and if honeycomb becomes available then even better. In all honestly the xoom really made me appreciate my ipad even more.
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I played with it at Best Buys. Loved the build quality, hated the price. I walked away content with my g-tablet. 400 more than the gtab is insane. I was almost out the woods until I got home, checked out xda, and saw Motorola had made the mistake of posting coupon code applicable to the xoom for 20% off. 600 seemed more reasonable. I hurried to order but unfortunately was too late. They shut it down.
*shakes angry fist at robeet for being lucky enough to squeeze in his order*

I'm still debating on the Xoom, but keeping the GTAB regardless
I mentioned in the Xoom forum that I jumped on the $600 deal in the Moto store, back on Thursday. Allegedly it should ship tomorrow (that's assuming that they don't cancel the order -I'm still not convinced that they won't).
Even if it ships, I haven't decided yet if I'll keep it or re-sell it. It's a nice device, but even at $600 it's got issues right now like the microSD slot. But I'm not getting rid of my GTAB, regardless - it's staying put. I got a great deal on it, plus I've really beaten it up over the months.
Sooner or later we'll have a HC port and the device, I think. If not the Xoom, then whatever harmony-based device happens to get it ported. I think it will happen, eventually.
EDIT: I just read cjackxiii's post, after I posted mine. If it happens to ship and I re-sell it, I'll post it here first before fleaBay. I'm still mulling it over - I went over to Best Buy again to look it over, but it's hard to look at things like specific apps that way.

Waiting for the full system dump from your Zoom.
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it would be up for about an hour before the cease and desist emails from Moto showed up.

Even at the pricing error of $600 Xoom is not worth the premium. At $800 it's a joke. G-Tab is $343 right now at 6th ave.

the Xoom is super, but
I miss my Gtab. Wednesday night what I thought was my bullet proof Gtablet had an encounter with my floor. It was short fall from my lap as I had fallen asleep on my couch with the tab in my lap, it slide down a blanket helping reduce the impact.
The Gtab landed display face down. It really was a minor hit, causing me great surprise to see that it would not boot. After investigating further I found it is booting the display is all white.I assume the display is gone.
So, I decide on ordering a Xoom. The xoom is fantastic, the display is sharp and crisp with great color, large viewing angle. better in every way than the in house Ipad. I compared the two under an 8X Loupe the Xoom has much better Acutance and color saturation than the Ipad. Blazing fast, really a great unit, but I miss my Gtab the screen didn't really bother me. Side by side with the Xoom really does show how bad the display is. I still want her back.
Bottom line I hope to replace or repair my Gtab, I will keep the Xoom for work. The Gtab is my toy. Thanks to the great developers on this forum, I have enjoyed that tablet for hours in the evening the last updates had her running sweet. If we are fortunate enough to get HC ported by the guys here it will only be that much better.
Yes the Xoom is a much better unit, given the price it should be. Is it 2 times better no, but that extra 10% to 20% seems to come with a substantial premium with technology and automobiles. The gtab is still the bargain king in my opinion. Looking forward to have a working gtab soon.
To the OP if your going to ditch that gtab shoot me a pm with a price

kpowr82 said:
So I loved my Gtab but I just couldn't stand the screen . I tried so many times to look past it and a couple times to actually replace it. I ended up picking up the xoom on a contract from vzw. I wanted to thank roebeet, rothnic, gojimi and everyone else that made the tablet useable. NOW DITCH THE GTAB AND START DEVELOPING FOR THE XOOM! LOL
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I'm curious, how are you planing on using the Xoom? I use my Gtab as a remote desktop interface for my office computer. I spend most of my time running from office to office and never get back to my own where I have the network authority to do my job. It has been a real time saver - once VPN encryption was shoehorned back into the kernel (thank you again Clemsyn). Other than this one function, I really do not have a use for a tablet.

Xoom's pricing wouldn't be so bad if they can just get their Wifi only version out! I jumped on the Moto coupon deal but it was too late.

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Even at the pricing error of $600 Xoom is not worth the premium. At $800 it's a joke. G-Tab is $343 right now at 6th ave.
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The hardware is definitely a step above the gtab, especially with the camera's, and the screen if you put that at about 125$, and about 100$ for the GPS, and 3G/4G your at just about 600$. I would probably jump at the deal but cant justify another 10 in tab unless it is an unbelievable deal.

thoughts by those who upgraded from the prime?

I am seriously considering the upgrade from the Prime to the Infinity. Its going to cost me $125-150, but already have the dock so that will make things less painful.
Is the screen, slightly faster processor, and overall experience worth the jump?
Thanks for the feedback.

I've found my Infinity to be much more stable. My Prime was incredibly unstable and had very bad screen corruption and flickering on the later firmware, downgrading the firmware fixed that issue on the Prime though. The screen on the Infinity is very nice, but you probably won't notice the increased resolution except with text where it makes a very (to me) noticeable difference. The latest firmware update has seems to make multi-tasking smoother and given it a general sensation of being faster. I have a Nexus 7 and Jelly Bean makes everything very liquid smooth feeling so I have every expectation of Jelly Bean giving that same feel to the Infinity. The less tapered edge on the Infinity is actually very nice. It's more comfortable to hold and the micro sd card is completely inside the frame.
All said and done I think the Infinity is everything the Prime should have been. If you can upgrade for <$150 difference then go for it.

I did the upgrade so that I can compare my Ipad3 to the TF700T as well as wanting a functioning GPS radio. Speed has improved, stability has improved, screen has improved. All of my current applications work well. I have an issue of upgrading from a OTA but others do not so its my specific issue. I have been able to upgrade utilizing the file Asus posts on their service site for each update. As to my Ipad vs. TF700T the screens are for all practical purposes identical. Speed of all functions other than web browsing are identical (I have several applications that are the same function but for IOS or Android). Web browsing is not a tie my Ipad3 is more fluid than the TF700T. I expect that will even out with the release of Jelly Bean for the TF700T. I am waiting until that upgrade to see but if equal after Jelly Beans release then most likely my Ipad3 will be sent to Ebay to get some extra cash for the next Asus tablet release in 2013!

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I've found my Infinity to be much more stable. My Prime was incredibly unstable and had very bad screen corruption and flickering on the later firmware, downgrading the firmware fixed that issue on the Prime though. The screen on the Infinity is very nice, but you probably won't notice the increased resolution except with text where it makes a very (to me) noticeable difference. The latest firmware update has seems to make multi-tasking smoother and given it a general sensation of being faster. I have a Nexus 7 and Jelly Bean makes everything very liquid smooth feeling so I have every expectation of Jelly Bean giving that same feel to the Infinity. The less tapered edge on the Infinity is actually very nice. It's more comfortable to hold and the micro sd card is completely inside the frame.
All said and done I think the Infinity is everything the Prime should have been. If you can upgrade for <$150 difference then go for it.
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Thanks for the feedback. My prime has been rock solid, other than the app stutter / bluetooth issues that most have experienced. I normally upgrade every 18-24 months. Trying to justify the 7 month upgrade here. Thanks.

rlarson)mn said:
I did the upgrade so that I can compare my Ipad3 to the TF700T as well as wanting a functioning GPS radio. Speed has improved, stability has improved, screen has improved. All of my current applications work well. I have an issue of upgrading from a OTA but others do not so its my specific issue. I have been able to upgrade utilizing the file Asus posts on their service site for each update. As to my Ipad vs. TF700T the screens are for all practical purposes identical. Speed of all functions other than web browsing are identical (I have several applications that are the same function but for IOS or Android). Web browsing is not a tie my Ipad3 is more fluid than the TF700T. I expect that will even out with the release of Jelly Bean for the TF700T. I am waiting until that upgrade to see but if equal after Jelly Beans release then most likely my Ipad3 will be sent to Ebay to get some extra cash for the next Asus tablet release in 2013!
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Glad to here the positive experience when compared to the ipad.

I too upgraded for EUR 105,- and it's worth every cent!
The screen is to much better and sharper. Reading forums in portrait mode is no problem now. On the prime it often got to crappy to read and I had to zoom in.
Furthermore it feels faster and it's definitely more stable.Finally no more Wifi issues and SD card won't eject anymore.
Also HDMI port is better designed.
Just upgrade

stunya said:
I am seriously considering the upgrade from the Prime to the Infinity. Its going to cost me $125-150, but already have the dock so that will make things less painful.
Is the screen, slightly faster processor, and overall experience worth the jump?
Thanks for the feedback.
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I upgraded and received my Infinity yesterday. Overall, it is a much nicer tablet. I really think this is what the prime should have been when it launched. I have much better wifi and GPS reception, and the screen is much nicer to look at. Another thing that most people aren't mentioning is that the SD card actually fits in the tablet now!
That being said, I'm still having problems (even after the .26 update) running ShadowGun. The game works fine it I've just rebooted the tablet, but after several applications have been launched, I can't get past the first shot or two before the game freezes. You can still hear the game playing in the background, but the screen bounces back and forth between 2 frames. Maybe someone has a fix?
Anyway, yes, I am happy coming from the Prime.

Tlbradshaw said:
I upgraded and received my Infinity yesterday. Overall, it is a much nicer tablet. I really think this is what the prime should have been when it launched. I have much better wifi and GPS reception, and the screen is much nicer to look at. Another thing that most people aren't mentioning is that the SD card actually fits in the tablet now!
That being said, I'm still having problems (even after the .26 update) running ShadowGun. The game works fine it I've just rebooted the tablet, but after several applications have been launched, I can't get past the first shot or two before the game freezes. You can still hear the game playing in the background, but the screen bounces back and forth between 2 frames. Maybe someone has a fix?
Anyway, yes, I am happy coming from the Prime.
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I never owned a Prime (cancelled pre-order) so can't compare the two but from all the negative reports from the users, I can definitely say that the 700 is the most worthy successor to the 101. This is my gaming tablet and with just a few exceptions will be loaded with nothing but Tegra 3 games and full HD apps. The speed and resolution of the 700 is just right for 1080p movies, it plays the streamed .mkv files like it was coming from the sdcard! So smooth and lag free.
No way the Prime's 1280x800 can match the 700's display, no contest there but of course there will be an additional power drain to contend with so power regulation is a must.

Glad I switched
I exchanged and updated my 201 for 700 this week. Other than having an issue doing and OTA update (which is a serial number issue again with ASUS! I was able to update manually with no problem) I am very happy I did so. In the last 48 hours I have not had any issues, which I always did with prime. I use mine for work and play although I do not really play intense games on the device. WIFI is tons better and GPS is rock solid. I did compare my screen with my daughters ipad 3 and even she was impressed with the quality. She is an apple fanatic but even she sees where being locked down in the apple OS world has its limitations as compared to android. Glad she learned something in college!

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I exchanged and updated my 201 for 700 this week. Other than having an issue doing and OTA update (which is a serial number issue again with ASUS! I was able to update manually with no problem) I am very happy I did so. In the last 48 hours I have not had any issues, which I always did with prime. I use mine for work and play although I do not really play intense games on the device. WIFI is tons better and GPS is rock solid. I did compare my screen with my daughters ipad 3 and even she was impressed with the quality. She is an apple fanatic but even she sees where being locked down in the apple OS world has its limitations as compared to android. Glad she learned something in college!
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good deal. first time i wish i bought something from BB...could have upgraded for free. thanks for the feedback.

well thanks, thats all the convincing i needed. ordered an infinity about 20 mins ago.
Thanks all!! I look forward to joining the group!!
PS-anyone need a very lightly used prime? HA!

I finally pulled the trigger and sold my Prime for the Infinity on Craigslist today. Went to Best Buy hoping to find tf700 with no luck. Fortunately for me the employee I was speaking to was very friendly and found one available at one of the other bb locations 23 miles away! Though a display model I still wanted it. I purchased it ahead of time and drove 23 miles to pick it up. When I got there. They took it off the display and showed me the scratch marks on the back plate and the slab of adhesive they used to keep the tablet connected that they couldn't peel away. Then I noticed that the label says tf201!!!! Mother [email protected]#ker!! The employee that said that they had one available mistakenly thought that that was the tf700 because it was so similar!!! The employee explained it to me and apologized. I said I drove for 45 mins to get here and was assured that you guys had the tf700!!! I was very upset. The guy was scared and looked around... finally he found one in the store!!! It was reserved for someone else that paid online. I ended up with a new tf700 and not a display model!!! Lol Apparently the person that ordered online had cancelled his order after checking the system and I was very fortunate to come out of BB with a brand new tf700!! So far loving the new toy.
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Once my Infinity arrives, giving my Prime to a close family member, rooted with Androwook and chock full of my paid apps.
Thanks for the thread, sounds like it'll be a redeeming (mostly?) upgrade! Now for those roms...
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I exchanged my C1 Prime at Best Buy which GPS was dead when I bought it and ended up with a C7 Infinity. Wifi/BT/GPS were great, however vibration, haptic feedback was dead out of the box. Attempted trying to toggle the settings but still nothing on power up/down, etc. It also couldn't find the OTA when I tried to update and I had to install .26 from my microsd which I take it is this issue here.
Took it back yesterday. Pretty bummed since my major issue with 201 was wifi/BT problems using my headset and music/netflix but it seemed good on the 700. Overall it seemed better than the Prime but that's not saying much .. Asus still has some pretty bad QC in my opinion

I've had my Infinity for a week now since I got my prime refunded. To echo a previous comment in this thread, this is what the prime should have been and what I expected it to be. Everything just works and the screen is absolutely beautiful. My prime never got a GPS lock, and running Bluetooth to my Thunderbolt for Tablet Talk would make my internet slow so an unusable crawl on the Prime. Here on the infinity I can stream music while browsing the web or XDA and texting. Used it successfully a few times for navigation while tethered; got a GPS lock nearly as fast as my phone locks. Plus it fits more snugly in my 201 dock than my Prime did. My only gripe is that the battery has not been quite as epic as my Prime, but it has been more than sufficient for daily use.
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stunya said:
well thanks, thats all the convincing i needed. ordered an infinity about 20 mins ago.
Thanks all!! I look forward to joining the group!!
PS-anyone need a very lightly used prime? HA!
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I'm sure you're already aware, but if not...that if you purchased your Prime tablet from Best Buy you can actually exchange it for an Infinity by way of One year manufacturer warranty.

jjdevega said:
I finally pulled the trigger and sold my Prime for the Infinity on Craigslist today. Went to Best Buy hoping to find tf700 with no luck. Fortunately for me the employee I was speaking to was very friendly and found one available at one of the other bb locations 23 miles away! Though a display model I still wanted it. I purchased it ahead of time and drove 23 miles to pick it up. When I got there. They took it off the display and showed me the scratch marks on the back plate and the slab of adhesive they used to keep the tablet connected that they couldn't peel away. Then I noticed that the label says tf201!!!! Mother [email protected]#ker!! The employee that said that they had one available mistakenly thought that that was the tf700 because it was so similar!!! The employee explained it to me and apologized. I said I drove for 45 mins to get here and was assured that you guys had the tf700!!! I was very upset. The guy was scared and looked around... finally he found one in the store!!! It was reserved for someone else that paid online. I ended up with a new tf700 and not a display model!!! Lol Apparently the person that ordered online had cancelled his order after checking the system and I was very fortunate to come out of BB with a brand new tf700!! So far loving the new toy.
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How is internet browsing faster? Thats my problem with the prime sluggish.

LOVE IT
This is what I was expecting when I bought Prime. GPS and Wi-Fi work great. Screen crisp and clear. Camera takes really good pics. Had 2 primes, both had terrible picture quality. Gone into settings a few times and did update check, won't show one. No biggie, I'll d-load and push. Rooted fine.
Only complaint is, battery doesn't last as long as primes did.
Overall, very pleased. Especially since I had best buy damage warranty and they gave me Infinity free.

This is what the prime should have been! WFI,GPS, works. Had it for 24hrs, so far so good

I never really had problems with my prime (except bad GPS and pixels), but I exchanged it anyways for an infinity. I have to say the infinity is really what the prime should have been, the screen resolution is amazing, it's fast, GPS works and I even notice better wifi connections. I had to root the prime and tweak the hell out of it to get it to perform anywhere near what the infinity does right out of the box. Oh and its the first asus tablet I've had the does not have dead pixels.

Is the Xoom still worth getting?

Hello everyone. Right now I have an Acer Iconia A100 7" tablet. I really want a 10" tablet but dont have a lot that I can spend for one. Ive been looking at the Xoom for a little while now since I can find them around the $200 range if Im lucky. The question is, with the Nexus 10 out now, is it still worth it to get a Xoom or would it be better to hold out a few months and save for a Nexus 10?
And if it helps, I would be using the tablet for a little of everything. Internet, music, movies, games and a lot of reading (mostly comics).
I greatly appreciate any info that can be provided.

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Hello everyone. Right now I have an Acer Iconia A100 7" tablet. I really want a 10" tablet but dont have a lot that I can spend for one. Ive been looking at the Xoom for a little while now since I can find them around the $200 range if Im lucky. The question is, with the Nexus 10 out now, is it still worth it to get a Xoom or would it be better to hold out a few months and save for a Nexus 10?
And if it helps, I would be using the tablet for a little of everything. Internet, music, movies, games and a lot of reading (mostly comics).
I greatly appreciate any info that can be provided.
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Well, kinda depends on your needs. Xoom is and has always been a strong tablet, but at two years old, it is starting to show it's age.
Xoom is a versatile, solid, all around tablet, 32 gb with expandable storage, bluetooth, hdmi, and usb. It's weakness's mainly are the backlight, it's heft (for some) and it's age. 720p display, and about impossible to see outside during daylight(sunlight and overcast.) Tegra2 is a good processor but dated and unable to take advantage of all the benefits of newer games demanding the power of a quadcore like the tegra3 ( dead trigger.) Right now it is very minor things we are missing out on. Eventually there may be games we can't play at all. More than likely Jelly bean is the last official update the xoom will get. I can't speak for the developers. If you don't care about latest and greatest, but need something fully functional and good bang for the buck...... xoom is a definite option
Nexus 10 has a great display, true 1080p, and the A15 cortex dual core processor destroys the tegra3 quad core in comparison tests from what I have read. It is the closest any tablet has come to being what the xoom was two years ago. The deal breaker for me is no expandable storage.
Hope this helps

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Thanks for the great info Draxin. You have me some things to think about. I can do without the 1080p and thinking about it I'm not sure that running the newest and greatest games matters. On the other hand viewing outside is kind of a big deal.
Decisions decisions.
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Draxin said:
Well, kinda depends on your needs. Xoom is and has always been a strong tablet, but at two years old, it is starting to show it's age.
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Lol, sorry Drex - showing its age? La La La La ... not listening. (covering ears) Any device is relative to it's users needs. Newer is not always better. Bigger, faster, lighter most likely (in some aspects, other areas maybe not). Does it really suit my needs? Probably not. The next best thing, will be replaced by the next best thing the following year. Vicious cycle my friend. Marketing is evil and we consumers are its puppets They can always count on that buyer that must have the newest whatever. We are making these guy rich lol.
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Lol, sorry Drex - showing its age? La La La La ... not listening. (covering ears) Any device is relative to it's users needs. Newer is not always better. Bigger, faster, lighter most likely (in some aspects, other areas maybe not). Does it really suit my needs? Probably not. The next best thing, will be replaced by the next best thing the following year. Vicious cycle my friend. Marketing is evil and we consumers are its puppets They can always count on that buyer that must have the newest whatever. We are making these guy rich lol.
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True. But Johnny Danger isnt looking to sell off a xoom, he wants to know if it is a viable option still in the 10 inch market. So he needs to ask himself what he wants from his new tablet before purchasing. Xoom is a fantastic tablet and easily one of the best purchases I have made, but I made my purchase almost a year ago when it was still running honeycomb stock and developers were porting ICS. I Got to watch it make leaps and bounds in functionality, smoothness, and reaching for the limits of it's potential. Now developers are facing the limitations of the space in the system partition for OS. And it sounds like they can't scrape any extra space from the internal sd or make some available on the ext. sd cause it is locked. So if Johnny Danger wants a solid, hard working tablet that can do anything he wants to do now, and should be able to do most(if not all) tasks in the future, the xoom is a perfect fit, he just needs to be aware that what we have now may be close to as good as he will get over the next two years of ownership(not saying it is bad), just saying don't expect much more from Motorola.
If he wants the latest and greatest games at their full potential, see movies in full resolution get OTA's of newer OS's and have a tablet equipped to get the most out of anything coming down the pike in the next two years, he needs to save up and get the nexus 10, conveniently priced at around the same range the xoom was when it first came out

If you asked 3-4 months ago, well yes.. But now there is no reason to buy a 2 years old device (and was out AOSP) with price ~$300.

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So if Johnny Danger wants a solid, hard working tablet that can do anything he wants to do now, and should be able to do most(if not all) tasks in the future, the xoom is a perfect fit, he just needs to be aware that what we have now may be close to as good as he will get over the next two years of ownership(not saying it is bad), just saying don't expect much more from Motorola.
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True, I fully understand the question. Basically the gist was yes it is still worth getting if it suits his needs no argument.
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If you asked 3-4 months ago, well yes.. But now there is no reason to buy a 2 years old device (and was out AOSP) with price ~$300.
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If you asked 3-4 months ago, well yes.. But now there is no reason to buy a 2 years old device (and was out AOSP) with price ~$300.
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I'm fully happy with xoom and this will be long relationship. I had in my hands asus transformer but truelly i cant see any limitations or u want gaming on it - but its not for it.

Well I went ahead and got a xoom. I bought a used one on Craigslist and feel that I got a good deal. I got 32gb xoom, original box and charger, official Motorola xoom cover, and 2 screen protectors for $150.
I absolutely love it. Everything runs great, including the games I play. My son was watching YouTube videos on it and sometimes it hiccups but that doesn't bother me. The thing that really took me by surprise is the battery life. It lasts so long on a charge. Now I understand why people were so upset with the Acer iconia tab a100 battery life. This is one of the fewer purchases I have no regrets about. Just a fantastic tablet.
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Well I went ahead and got a xoom. I bought a used one on Craigslist and feel that I got a good deal. I got 32gb xoom, original box and charger, official Motorola xoom cover, and 2 screen protectors for $150.
I absolutely love it. Everything runs great, including the games I play. My son was watching YouTube videos on it and sometimes it hiccups but that doesn't bother me. The thing that really took me by surprise is the battery life. It lasts so long on a charge. Now I understand why people were so upset with the Acer iconia tab a100 battery life. This is one of the fewer purchases I have no regrets about. Just a fantastic tablet.
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Good on ya! I really don't think you'll have any regrets, it's still a very speedy tablet and the build quality is unsurpassed.

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Good on ya! I really don't think you'll have any regrets, it's still a very speedy tablet and the build quality is unsurpassed.
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You are not lying about the build quality. This thing feels so well made its incredible.

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Lol, sorry Drex - showing its age? La La La La ... not listening. (covering ears) Any device is relative to it's users needs. Newer is not always better. Bigger, faster, lighter most likely (in some aspects, other areas maybe not). Does it really suit my needs? Probably not. The next best thing, will be replaced by the next best thing the following year. Vicious cycle my friend. Marketing is evil and we consumers are its puppets They can always count on that buyer that must have the newest whatever. We are making these guy rich lol.
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You're kidding yourself if you think it has anything to do with marketing. The Xoom has been showing its age for a while. Its great that devs continue to bring us the latest firmware but even they have acknowledge that the Xoom's limits are being pushed.
It is as you said, relative to needs, but I think its also good to think about the future. What will a 2 year old device be able to do a year from now? Two years from now?
I'd say save up honestly and hope for a sale on the N10 (tho it looks like the OP already invested v0v)

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Well I went ahead and got a xoom. I bought a used one on Craigslist and feel that I got a good deal. I got 32gb xoom, original box and charger, official Motorola xoom cover, and 2 screen protectors for $150.
I absolutely love it. Everything runs great, including the games I play. My son was watching YouTube videos on it and sometimes it hiccups but that doesn't bother me. The thing that really took me by surprise is the battery life. It lasts so long on a charge. Now I understand why people were so upset with the Acer iconia tab a100 battery life. This is one of the fewer purchases I have no regrets about. Just a fantastic tablet.
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I just made the same switch today I paid 50 more then you but my girl has n7 I did not want same thing so I just got this but I like it actually have not even rooted
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If you want buttery smooth android goodness, put eos 3 nightly # 155 on your xoom, johnny danger. You'll thank me later

alex94kumar said:
If you want buttery smooth android goodness, put eos 3 nightly # 155 on your xoom, johnny danger. You'll thank me later
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Thanks Alex, I will see about doing that.
@Cubanluke88, Im well aware that a 2 year old device is not going to be on par with the most recent devices, like the N10. But at this point it was a matter of me wanting a 10" tablet that would do what I needed it to do now. I may still get a N10 in a few months and just give my Xoom to one of my kids (I have three, two that are teens). But for right now, its working great and I couldnt be happier. Especially at the price I paid. I might be getting a new job soon and if I do, Im going to be taking a hour train ride to work and back and Im just happy to know that Im going to have a nice big tablet to provide entertainment on those train rides if I do get the job.

Xoom or Xoom II or Xoom II ME?
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Thanks Alex, I will see about doing that.
@Cubanluke88, Im well aware that a 2 year old device is not going to be on par with the most recent devices, like the N10. But at this point it was a matter of me wanting a 10" tablet that would do what I needed it to do now. I may still get a N10 in a few months and just give my Xoom to one of my kids (I have three, two that are teens). But for right now, its working great and I couldnt be happier. Especially at the price I paid. I might be getting a new job soon and if I do, Im going to be taking a hour train ride to work and back and Im just happy to know that Im going to have a nice big tablet to provide entertainment on those train rides if I do get the job.
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Like the OP I'm looking to get a reasonably priced tablet for Browsing, a little eReading and some video watching. It's hard enough to justify what is really a gadget purchase and I certainly can't justify the ~€500 price ranges of the top tablets. My target is around the €200 mark.
I like the look of the Nexus 7, but the small screen bothers me a little. I've a Sony Xperia S and 7 inches doesn't seem to give me enough of a boost over it's 4.3 inches to justify spending €250. So I'm looking at reputable brands which have been discounted (due to age or market forces) rather than the budget trinkets that you can get. I even considered a heavily discounted Playbook (~€170) but that's just too far out of the park in terms of OS, support, etc.
I can get a Xoom II (16 GB, WiFi) for about €280, but thats at the upper end of my target budget. I can get a Xoom (32 GB WiFi) (B-stock, new but damaged/opened packaging) for €200, and that has my attention. But I'm worried about the processor speed and the display. I could also get a new Xoom II ME (16 GB, WiFi) for about the same price, €200. Apart from the newer specs (a faster processor and better screen), the 8.2 inch format strikes me as possibly more portable (for use while commuting). WiFi only is also fine for me as when I'm not in a normal WiFi area I'll use my Xperia S as a hotspot.
So, given my budget limitations and the fact that it's probably for light browsing/reading use (some videos while on holidays perhaps), would the Xoom II ME or the older Xoom be the best bet? Is the new screen a worthwhile upgrade? Thoughts please?
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Thanks for the great info Draxin. You have me some things to think about. I can do without the 1080p and thinking about it I'm not sure that running the newest and greatest games matters. On the other hand viewing outside is kind of a big deal.
Decisions decisions.
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Actually there are quite a few new screen prtectors that dont degrade the quality that allow you to still see your xoom in the sunlight
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Like the OP I'm looking to get a reasonably priced tablet for Browsing, a little eReading and some video watching. It's hard enough to justify what is really a gadget purchase and I certainly can't justify the ~€500 price ranges of the top tablets. My target is around the €200 mark.
I like the look of the Nexus 7, but the small screen bothers me a little. I've a Sony Xperia S and 7 inches doesn't seem to give me enough of a boost over it's 4.3 inches to justify spending €250. So I'm looking at reputable brands which have been discounted (due to age or market forces) rather than the budget trinkets that you can get. I even considered a heavily discounted Playbook (~€170) but that's just too far out of the park in terms of OS, support, etc.
I can get a Xoom II (16 GB, WiFi) for about €280, but thats at the upper end of my target budget. I can get a Xoom (32 GB WiFi) (B-stock, new but damaged/opened packaging) for €200, and that has my attention. But I'm worried about the processor speed and the display. I could also get a new Xoom II ME (16 GB, WiFi) for about the same price, €200. Apart from the newer specs (a faster processor and better screen), the 8.2 inch format strikes me as possibly more portable (for use while commuting). WiFi only is also fine for me as when I'm not in a normal WiFi area I'll use my Xperia S as a hotspot.
So, given my budget limitations and the fact that it's probably for light browsing/reading use (some videos while on holidays perhaps), would the Xoom II ME or the older Xoom be the best bet? Is the new screen a worthwhile upgrade? Thoughts please?
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Well, I finally plumped for the Xoom 2 ME. 8.2 inch screen, price (€200 vs €250) and mini HDMI clinched it over the Nexus 7, plus I really think that I don't need Quad Core nor will I do for a few years yet. Portability beat the Xoom or Xoom 2.
Only qualm is that I ordered it from Expansys as they had the best price (by about €25). For a mainstream seller it has far more negative reviews than it should have (they should really take their Facebook page offline). I did order via Amazon rather than directly, perhaps that adds a little more security to the order.
Hopefully I'll be one of the 89% positive buyers. :fingers-crossed:

Well, whatever Expansys is doing wrong for some, it was a pretty efficient transaction for me. Ordered it from Expansys via Amazon on Monday night and it was delivered (via a forwarding company from a UK address) by Wednesday night! Picked it up this morning.
I've only played with it a little and charged it up. Will do the ICS update when I get home as the work wifi is acting up. I was able to tether it to my Xperia S and so far it's looking nice, though the web browsing seemed a little jerky/laggy. Maybe ICS will improve that.
I have since noticed that my Xperia S actually has a faster CPU, more storage, a higher ppi, a better camera and will likely get Jelly Bean later in Q1. If only it had an 8 inch screen

Thanks guys I'm moving on

I want to thank all of the Dev's and members who helped me make my Infinity tolerable. I would have been done with it long ago if not for the ROMs and kernels that made the tablet somewhat decent. A special thanks to sbdags and _that. The TF700 was my second ASUS tablet after having owned the even worst TF201. I build desktops using ASUS motherboards so I know they are capable of making excellent products but their tablets are lacking. Anyway I purchased a Samsung Galaxy S tab 10.5" a month ago. All I can say is that I am very impressed and very satisfied. I did root only to use Titanium Backup and other root programs but everything runs so smoothly and fast I'll probably not bother with custom ROMs. Thank you all very much.

Yup some of the best motherboards around. I am on a P5GPL with a P4 this board has survived 2- power supplies blowing up, a memory board burnout and a hard drive that died. It's running win8 (not 8.1 not enough CPU power). I just can't kill it!
I had a TF201 and now a TF700. As far as I'm concerned one is NO better than the other. Both seem to have lag.
Galaxy or Toshiba may be MY next move but you can bet your sweet bippy it won't be another Asus. That's sad. It's also sad that this experience has caused me to NOT buy any Asus product no matter how good it may be.
Good luck with your new Sammy! I love my S4 phone!

Yesterday I did the same thing. Went to BestBuy and bought the Galaxy Tab S 10.5. So far I'm OK with it. It sure is quick and KK will take some getting used to. Only gripe I have is copying files to the ext_sdcard. (you can't do it with anything other than Sammie's file tool unless you root)
So I also wanted to say thanks to everyone here for listening to me whine, ***** and moan over the past two and a half years. Maybe now I'll shut up.
But I'm not leaving here.
1) I like this place
2) I still have the 700
3) I'll be in the Samsung section of XDA asking my stupid questions.
4) I like this place
So thanks again for all the help and moral support !

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Yesterday I did the same thing. Went to BestBuy and bought the Galaxy Tab S 10.5. So far I'm OK with it. It sure is quick and KK will take some getting used to. Only gripe I have is copying files to the ext_sdcard. (you can't do it with anything other than Sammie's file tool unless you root)
So I also wanted to say thanks to everyone here for listening to me whine, ***** and moan over the past two and a half years. Maybe now I'll shut up.
But I'm not leaving here.
1) I like this place
2) I still have the 700
3) I'll be in the Samsung section of XDA asking my stupid questions.
4) I like this place
So thanks again for all the help and moral support !
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Did you get the 32gb tablet? So far the 32gb is exclusive to Best Buy. I really wanted the 32gb but I don't like BBs 14 day return policy. I went with Amazon because it gave me a full month to decide if I wanted to keep it. I really don't get only 16gb of memory on a $500 tablet. The 32 gb in the TF700 is the only thing in my opinion better than the Galaxy S.

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Did you get the 32gb tablet? So far the 32gb is exclusive to Best Buy. I really wanted the 32gb but I don't like BBs 14 day return policy. I went with Amazon because it gave me a full month to decide if I wanted to keep it. I really don't get only 16gb of memory on a $500 tablet. The 32 gb in the TF700 is the only thing in my opinion better than the Galaxy S.
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Yup got the 32GB version. I was thinking about that 12 inch tablet but after picking it up and holding it for a minute, I was done with that idea!
BB was good to me when I had the TF201 for 8-9 months and was so disgusted with it they took it back and did a full credit to a gift card so I turned around and got the 700.
Man this thing is fast.... Only gripe so far is you can't write directly to the external card! You have to root and make some changes or use an app that fixes it. I think it's a 4.4.2 KK issue and not samsungs....not sure.
Much lighter than the 700 as well makes it a pleasure to hold it!
I had an Antutu of 34259 out of the box...
Very happy so far with this!

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I want to thank all of the Dev's and members who helped me make my Infinity tolerable. I would have been done with it long ago if not for the ROMs and kernels that made the tablet somewhat decent. A special thanks to sbdags and _that. The TF700 was my second ASUS tablet after having owned the even worst TF201. I build desktops using ASUS motherboards so I know they are capable of making excellent products but their tablets are lacking. Anyway I purchased a Samsung Galaxy S tab 10.5" a month ago. All I can say is that I am very impressed and very satisfied. I did root only to use Titanium Backup and other root programs but everything runs so smoothly and fast I'll probably not bother with custom ROMs. Thank you all very much.
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I echo the thanks to the developers. I've had my TF700 since launch and just this week installed CM11 M10, working great and looking forward to using the infinity as long as developers continue to write ROMs for it.

I just picked up a nice used Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 on Amazon and all I can say is my TF700 is a piece of crap after seeing the speed of this Samsung.

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I just picked up a nice used Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 on Amazon and all I can say is my TF700 is a piece of crap after seeing the speed of this Samsung.
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Hehe... I had the Asus TF700t and had much fun with it... all the great custom roms and this community making it great. But about a year back or maybe six months, I bought a Samsung Note Pro 12.2 off ebay for around 350 bucks. Whoa. 3 gigs memory, fantastic screen, a stylus (tho I use mine rarely). I passed my Asus on to my wife... but today rectified that by getting her what she wanted, a smaller than mine Samsung Note 10.1 2014. She's having a lot of fun with it.
But I won't diss the TF700. It was a great tablet for its time frame. Where Asus really lost me was with the TF701 and the completely dysfunctional shorting out keyboard... I truly could not believe they dared fob that off on us. It was the end for me with Asus. I love android with a keyboard. And if you want the deluxe experience of that.... a used Samsung Note Pro 12.2 is a great way to go. Bluetooth rather than snap-on... that attachable Asus keyboard was so great. And they lost interest in greatness.
One last word. Y'all have been awesome. And I will still be passing this Asus on... hopefully to someone who I can also turn on to this community.
Blessings.

I agree with everyone. Why can't Asus make a world class tablet? I too have used their motherboards in the past and have never had any problems with any of them. I started with a TF201 and it's actually better than my 700 which is had to believe.
I'm moving on too and will be picking up a Pixel C very soon.

All I have to say is unlock upgrade your bootloader and Flash KatKiss's Marshmallow ROM. I was about to throw this thing in the trash but decided to give it a try and all I can say is WOW! It's like I bought a new tablet.

I like the Note 10.1 so much I bought the wife one for $200 and it even has a logitech keyboard. Cannot get jack for used tf700's I am finding out.