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Hi guys - Great website. I love the amount of information being exchanged here. I am new to the rooting environment, but I am not new to IT. I have an IT career, some entry level programming, SQL scripting, and have modded playstations and xboxes previously so I should be able to follow much of the technical talk.
I just purchased a Samsung Charge and have completed the one click root and have confirmed that I have root on ED1. So my questions are (please link to thread if answered elsewhere):
How do I determine which mod/rom is the best and safest to use? Gummy, Altered beast, etc?
Are any gingerbread based mods out or are they all froyo based for the Charge? What is the newest out and is there a projected release schedule?
How do I get the wireless hot stop working for free once I am rooted? Do I have to install a ROM?
Is the Odin application the best way to update the ROMs?
Is the ROM the OS update and the kernel the BIOS update?
It looks like there is an issue doing backups with Charge Mods, so how do I backup my phone? (it looks like the ability to backup has been removed from some mods)
So I am rooted. What are the next steps I need to follow: 1) Backup (how) 2) install new OS ROM????
Thanks for your time.
DawgPoundMBA said:
Hi guys - Great website. I love the amount of information being exchanged here. I am new to the rooting environment, but I am not new to IT. I have an IT career, some entry level programming, SQL scripting, and have modded playstations and xboxes previously so I should be able to follow much of the technical talk.
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Welcome, you seem like a prime candidate for this adventure!
I just purchased a Samsung Charge and have completed the one click root and have confirmed that I have root on ED1. So my questions are (please link to thread if answered elsewhere):
How do I determine which mod/rom is the best and safest to use? Gummy, Altered beast, etc?
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Pretty much just by reading their threads and seeing what issues people are having. That being said, the Charge ROMs are all pretty new, so safest is to just find a rooted version of stock, which you seem to have accomplished. The other ROMs are trying to improve on things by doing things such as "debloating" (removing useless stuff added by Verizon), etc., but this can have unintended consequences. For instance, with Altered Beast, you'll see he released fixed versions of stock apps which broke.
Are any gingerbread based mods out or are they all froyo based for the Charge? What is the newest out and is there a projected release schedule?
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They're all Froyo for now. I'd guess a Gingerbread version will be out within the next month or so, depending on how many devs are working on it. I think Gummy is slightly newer than Altered Beast, but that could change any second. Actually, the newest at this moment is the OTA (Over The Air) release from Verizon last night, EE4.
How do I get the wireless hot stop working for free once I am rooted? Do I have to install a ROM?
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You just need to install an app. Search the market, or search the forums for what others are using. They're getting a little more difficult to find as Verizon has started blocking some of them from their version of the market.
Is the Odin application the best way to update the ROMs?
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Right now it seems to be. Though once you use that and have CWM (ClockWork Mod) installed, you might be able to update using CWM. Still a little early to tell.
Is the ROM the OS update and the kernel the BIOS update?
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Pretty close. ROM, as we usually use the term, refers to the Boot ROM, which is the first code run, and essentially the O/S, though some ROMs aren't a complete replacement for all of it. The kernel isn't quite as equivalent, but that's true to the extent that it handles communication between the software and the hardware.
It looks like there is an issue doing backups with Charge Mods, so how do I backup my phone? (it looks like the ability to backup has been removed from some mods)
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There's an issue with doing backups through CWM, but you can still use something like Titanium Backup. What do you want to backup? If it's just your software, settings, etc., that should be fine.
So I am rooted. What are the next steps I need to follow: 1) Backup (how) 2) install new OS ROM????
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1) Use alternate software, such as Titanium Backup. 2) Use ODIN for now.
Thanks for your time.
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You're welcome!
I have the ED1 versions rooted with gingerbreak and used root explorer to change the script from ED1 to ED2. Everything is working good and launcher pro is making it look better, but is it safe to load altered beast or other roms using Odin or will it mess it up? I would like to get CWM on it to go straight into bootloader like I did with the Incredible.
The kernel shouldn't be related to a BIOS in a PC, that would be your bootloader. A kernel is part of an Operating system. Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X all have kernels. The kernel, as I understand it, is sort of like the middle man between the software you "see" and the hardware. Drivers are a core part of a kernel, but aren't the only thing in the kernel. A ROM, is the OS, as a kernel is included in any ROM. The ROM will consist of the applications included, be it themed applications or custom built ones, and a kernel.
Keep in mind this is a large generalization of the whole subject, but I think its a good overview.
psalm462 said:
I have the ED1 versions rooted with gingerbreak and used root explorer to change the script from ED1 to ED2. Everything is working good and launcher pro is making it look better, but is it safe to load altered beast or other roms using Odin or will it mess it up? I would like to get CWM on it to go straight into bootloader like I did with the Incredible.
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You can use Odin to install Altered Beast and you'll be fine. you might want to wait a couple of days to see what happens with this EE4 release, though.
morkon - good description of the kernel.
not to be a downer, but i wouldnt put any eta's on anything gingerbread related...my overly optimistic guess (based on no inside knowledge) for anything official would be late august...but knowing the vzw/samsung combo (regardless of the droid branding) #gingergate could be on until late Fall/Christmas
Thank you for the information. I will check it out in more detail when I get home from work.
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not to be a downer, but i wouldnt put any eta's on anything gingerbread related...my overly optimistic guess (based on no inside knowledge) for anything official would be late august...but knowing the vzw/samsung combo (regardless of the droid branding) #gingergate could be on until late Fall/Christmas
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I wouldn't really expect an official Samsung Gingerbread ROM until next year. They are incredibly slow. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see an unofficial version well before then.
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I wouldn't really expect an official Samsung Gingerbread ROM until next year. They are incredibly slow. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see an unofficial version well before then.
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Incredibly slow, yet the DROID Charge just received it's 2nd OTA update in 1 month from release, and the Fascinate just got it's 6th/7th OTA update in the past 8 months as well, and as far as I know, the international SGS has had a similar number of updates come out for it as well. The problem isn't Samsung producing the updates (anymore), it's getting the carriers test them and submit feedback in a timely manner.
Given that the SGS line is getting Gingerbread over the summer from most reports I've read, I'd expect the Charge to get Gingerbread sometime late summer/fall, as well as the rest of the US lineup of SGS phones.
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You can use Odin to install Altered Beast and you'll be fine. you might want to wait a couple of days to see what happens with this EE4 release, though.
morkon - good description of the kernel.
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OK, thanks! I have only had it a day and I have not played with ODIN, so it scares me to death. I can say that with one day of trying it, the GPS is horrible! It had me over 2 miles off.
I am not sure why the below happened, but I did soft brick. I restarted the whole process and it is moving along now so please disregard.
Question. I am using Odin to install alteredbeast. I held down the volume key until after i clicked start on the ROM. It has been working for about 5 minutes and on my phone i can see a downloading icon with a "AX_TIMEOUT" in red in the top left. Did I screw up?
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I am not sure why the below happened, but I did soft brick. I restarted the whole process and it is moving along now so please disregard.
Question. I am using Odin to install alteredbeast. I held down the volume key until after i clicked start on the ROM. It has been working for about 5 minutes and on my phone i can see a downloading icon with a "AX_TIMEOUT" in red in the top left. Did I screw up?
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You only have to hold the down volume button for a few seconds, until you get to the yellow downloading screen. Im not sure if that has an effect, but I'd start over. Turn off any antivirus, plug in to your rear USB ports, and try again.
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Incredibly slow, yet the DROID Charge just received it's 2nd OTA update in 1 month from release, and the Fascinate just got it's 6th/7th OTA update in the past 8 months as well, and as far as I know, the international SGS has had a similar number of updates come out for it as well. The problem isn't Samsung producing the updates (anymore), it's getting the carriers test them and submit feedback in a timely manner.
Given that the SGS line is getting Gingerbread over the summer from most reports I've read, I'd expect the Charge to get Gingerbread sometime late summer/fall, as well as the rest of the US lineup of SGS phones.
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They're doing well on the bugfixes, I'll give them that. But with how long we waited for updates for my wife's Epic, I'm not super keen on Samsung's update schedule. They ranked last on the list of manufacturers updating to newer versions of software. That being said, I'm hoping with this as their Verizon flagship they'll stay on top of it.
MR2 will be coming via OTA in the next couple of days MR2 has been through four different revisions and will be based on the 1.70.xx code. There are a number of fixes but the most important should be fixing the reboots and improving the 4G/3G transitions.
I know everyone is waiting for GB which is MR3, but it still needs some time. The good news is that it is being worked on it is already on its fifth SW revision.
Awesome. I can wait for GB no problem, I just want a fix for the reboots. I'm sick of my phone rebooting 5+ times a day, happy an update is coming soon.
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OR... you could just scoot on over to the dev forum and pick yourself up a spiffy new rom built on MR2 which is quite solid and fast and will use the same or very similar radios to what will be in the OTA. I tried a couple of them. They are spartan on fancy stuff, but they are reliable if nothing else. Possibly the most functional and reliable roms over there.
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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My thoughts exactly. Sure I would like to avoid the reboots (given I have had 2 in a 3 week period), and maybe a faster better radio, but the software and sense is so solid.
need bb said:
MR2 will be coming via OTA in the next couple of days MR2 has been through four different revisions and will be based on the 1.70.xx code. There are a number of fixes but the most important should be fixing the reboots and improving the 4G/3G transitions.
I know everyone is waiting for GB which is MR3, but it still needs some time. The good news is that it is being worked on it is already on its fifth SW revision.
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Where did you get this info?
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Where did you get this info?
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Flawed info at that. But anyway
The OP history suggests that assumptions and rumors have been listened to and taken as gospel.
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Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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Bingo.. agreed 100%
Coming from HTC devices like the 8525, ATT Tilt, and Touch Pro 2, Ive just about had my share of ROMs for a lifetime. I just want something that works. After paying all this money, Im gonna let Verizon and HTC do what they're supposed to do.
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Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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I agree with wanting an official update, but the stock rom is far from good. Yes the speed is good but the battery life is horrible. With custom roms I have been able to triple my battery life and limit the random reboots I was getting stock, along with the already good speed being improved. Das BAMF Stripped 1.8
animez said:
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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agreed. So far only 1 reboot in 2 weeks (apparently that is good) and I get occasional instances where home button doesn't want to work.
I just wish the damn thing rebooted faster. It takes almost 2 minutes to boot, then another couple of minutes before sense is responsive.
Coming from the hd7 and 25 second boot times, this is killer...
I also made/used custom roms on my q9c, tp2 and hd2, but want to give stock a chance. Maybe I will root if I decide I need to tether, but so far, things are looking good stock.
Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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alot of us are. thanks for your concern.
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Flawed info at that. But anyway
The OP history suggests that assumptions and rumors have been listened to and taken as gospel.
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But I read it on the internet, so that has to make it true.
mr2.5 is treating me well and ive had zero reboots. i can wait a bit for the new radio.
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Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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#1 how do you know it's been pushed back?
#2 i think most on here and happily enjoying gingerbread but thanks for the concern.
Some documents state we will be getting a removal of free mobile hotspot via ota July 6th . Maybe it will be attached to the update .
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Both the MR2 and the MR2.5 have been a good temporary fix for me, until a new radio is released.
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Not really called for man. Stock, Ropoted Stock Or GB, Does it really matter, lets just help each other instead of some acting like they are better because you are on something besides stock.
Stock runs very well and so do the roms the devs are busting their butts to put out, still doesn't mean we have to knock each other...
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"mr2" we leaked on the forums is NOT mr2. 1.66/1.67/1.68/1.69 will not be MR2.
I can confirm OP's comments on the current "mr2" candidate version number, and give a approximate release of july 6th. With verizon things are given to change, the release date can change, so can the version being released.
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Not really called for man. Stock, Ropoted Stock Or GB, Does it really matter, lets just help each other instead of some acting like they are better because you are on something besides stock.
Stock runs very well and so do the roms the devs are busting their butts to put out, still doesn't mean we have to knock each other...
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His comment was pretty blunt/unhelpful and rude, but there does tend to be some complaining from those that want to have their cake (those that don't want to root) and eat it too (still want updates/workarounds as quick as those that have root).
Those that seem to be frustrated by such things, perhaps android is not the phone for them or at least android phones that are not officially blessed by google (nexus phones).
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1818
As the notice says, what will start today "will be a limited pilot for the update" with "a broader rollout to myTouch 4G customers will begin in the coming weeks and will continue through the end of the year." It sounds like a lucky few MT4G owners could get the update today, but the majority will probably have to wait a few weeks, if not months.
I've had Gingerbread on my phone for a long time now.
My phone is rooted through Visionary, will this cause an issue with the OTA update?
You will not receive an OTA update while rooted.
Can someone make a Backup/ROM for new release.
I don't feel like going back to Stock just to get an update.
I updated the radio and phone is rooted. Don't want to have to give up root just to have a peek at this.
vmartinez39 said:
Can someone make a Backup/ROM for new release.
I don't feel like going back to Stock just to get an update.
I updated the radio and phone is rooted. Don't want to have to give up root just to have a peek at this.
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I'm sure one of our amazing devs will have rom for us in a couple days. The devs here are much faster than waiting for an OTA update.
i got my OTA update this morning at 745am central time.
Why do rooted users want an ota? That takes away the point us using xda, just equity for devs to make a better version with more features and fixes.
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Ace42 said:
Why do rooted users want an ota? That takes away the point us using xda, just equity for devs to make a better version with more features and fixes.
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Because sometimes the stock rom is better than the custom built roms. It took a long time for me to find something that was nicer than the stock phone.
For me, a lot of the custom roms are themed in a way that looks terrible to me, and a lot of them just feel inconsistent. The stock MySense that came with the phone was much nicer to use. It wasn't until the Sense 3.0 roms started coming out that it made me actually want to switch away from stock.
I rooted to try new roms, but sometimes, stock is better ( for me at least ).
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Because sometimes the stock rom is better than the custom built roms. It took a long time for me to find something that was nicer than the stock phone.
For me, a lot of the custom roms are themed in a way that looks terrible to me, and a lot of them just feel inconsistent. The stock MySense that came with the phone was much nicer to use. It wasn't until the Sense 3.0 roms started coming out that it made me actually want to switch away from stock.
I rooted to try new roms, but sometimes, stock is better ( for me at least ).
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Then you wait for a stock rooted rom. Usually released in a few days after the official one (however for this update it was out about 2 days ago). If you update OTA you will lose root.
Running stock and rooted, that way I am able to change what I want to or leave it as is and have the ability to run apps requiring root
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Then you wait for a stock rooted rom. Usually released in a few days after the official one (however for this update it was out about 2 days ago). If you update OTA you will lose root.
Running stock and rooted, that way I am able to change what I want to or leave it as is and have the ability to run apps requiring root
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I guess I should have added the caveat that I went with the stock rom but root added. OTA somehow translated to stock with root in my head.
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Why do rooted users want an ota? That takes away the point us using xda, just equity for devs to make a better version with more features and fixes.
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A lot of the custom roms while faster are buggy. I just upgraded from a Mytouch 3G and this phone is still amazingly fast to me, I don't need the extra speed.
I am not sure what advantages the OTA will have for most of us. The custom ROMs have removed all the bloat and are much faster. Additionally, most everyone running a custom ROM has already been using Gingerbread for months now.
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I am not sure what advantages the OTA will have for most of us. The custom ROMs have removed all the bloat and are much faster. Additionally, most everyone running a custom ROM has already been using Gingerbread for months now.
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SPEED
BUG FREE
STABLE
you can only choose 2.
that's why I rock stock, with root (for screen caps) nothing else. I like mine bug free and stable.
who needs over 1ghz of processor power on a damn phone anyways. seriously.
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SPEED
BUG FREE
STABLE
you can only choose 2.
that's why I rock stock, with root (for screen caps) nothing else. I like mine bug free and stable.
who needs over 1ghz of processor power on a damn phone anyways. seriously.
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I've used many custom roms that are pretty much bug free , and sometimes even stock has bugs, there is no such thing as PERFECT BUG FREE CODE, I've never come across that.
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SPEED
BUG FREE
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you can only choose 2.
that's why I rock stock, with root (for screen caps) nothing else. I like mine bug free and stable.
who needs over 1ghz of processor power on a damn phone anyways. seriously.
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Custom roms usually have the least bugs compared to stock roms not to mention that we get quicker fixes than what Google and HTC can give us. I'm pretty sure you probably not using the stock kernel. Most kernels bundle with stock are minimal line decent at best. Most of these roms in the mytouch community are bug free.
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Everyone stop bickering..people have their preferences..but someone upload the update! I really wanna see it.
im completely new at android just switched over from apple and i have no idea how this rooting stuff works can some one give me advice as to what i should do i have a mytouch 4g should i wait for this 2.3 update or should put a rom or w.e its called it was so much easier to jailbreak n all lol but this rooting stuff is confusing idk what do lol so if some one can guide me it would b great
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I've had Gingerbread on my phone for a long time now.
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I had stock 2.2 on my original Glacier for about, oh, two hours or so before I got home and rooted/flashed CM7 to it. The power button broke within a month, though, so I unrooted it and switched it out for a new one.
The new one I rooted while waiting for the bus, and flashed CM7 on the bus ride to SF. So this phone has actually only had the stock ROM for less than 20 minutes.
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SPEED
BUG FREE
STABLE
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that's why I rock stock, with root (for screen caps) nothing else. I like mine bug free and stable.
who needs over 1ghz of processor power on a damn phone anyways. seriously.
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If it's bug-free, wouldn't that also make it stable? Personally I don't need more than 1GHz, but I make a moderate overclock to 1.2GHz in order to reap the benefits of silky-smooth animations and scrolling widgets. App switching is also faster.
I run CM7 nightlies. Occasionally I run into bugs. Very infrequently. The most recent bug I encountered was random soft reboots in nightly #133, which was promptly fixed in nightly #134. Before that, the last bug I found was waaaaay back in 7.0.3 stable, when wifi refused to work properly with faux's AOSP kernel (and this isn't even a CM bug, it was an issue with faux's kernel).
CM7 has been stable enough to be a daily driver since 7.0.0 RC1.
I want to know if I can go back to 2.3.6 from 4.0.4 on my Skyrocket. I did the update before reading, and definitely sooner than I should have. Normally, I wait a few weeks, but I hadn't had any issues with my Nexus S on ICS, so took the plunge when I received my notification earlier. Now that the update is done, I can say that AT&T screwed its users. Instead of having a nice, flowing OS on our phones, we have AT&T's services continually interfering (Address Book, YP, etc.).
I'd much rather have a usable phone on 2.3.6 than this bloated, nastyness that is AT&T's messed up version of 4.0.4.
Yes. You can.
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I want to know if I can go back to 2.3.6 from 4.0.4 on my Skyrocket. I did the update before reading, and definitely sooner than I should have. Normally, I wait a few weeks, but I hadn't had any issues with my Nexus S on ICS, so took the plunge when I received my notification earlier. Now that the update is done, I can say that AT&T screwed its users. Instead of having a nice, flowing OS on our phones, we have AT&T's services continually interfering (Address Book, YP, etc.).
I'd much rather have a usable phone on 2.3.6 than this bloated, nastyness that is AT&T's messed up version of 4.0.4.
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read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1652398 but only to get to 2.3.5 or ics, not 2.3.6 dont think thats possible
VillainousVivi said:
I want to know if I can go back to 2.3.6 from 4.0.4 on my Skyrocket. I did the update before reading, and definitely sooner than I should have. Normally, I wait a few weeks, but I hadn't had any issues with my Nexus S on ICS, so took the plunge when I received my notification earlier. Now that the update is done, I can say that AT&T screwed its users. Instead of having a nice, flowing OS on our phones, we have AT&T's services continually interfering (Address Book, YP, etc.).
I'd much rather have a usable phone on 2.3.6 than this bloated, nastyness that is AT&T's messed up version of 4.0.4.
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why don't you just remove those services using Titanium backup?
If you tweak ICS in a proper way , it very much close to GB smoothness with the add features ...
I couldn't disagree more on ICS. I debloated, and on Apex launcher, it is a significant upgrade from Gingerbread. A lot of things are smoother, especially with flash video, and xvid decoding.
Well, I have to toss my hat in the "Why don't you Root it and Clean it up?" crowd.
I bought my phone Monday, came home, loaded ICS, rooted it the next day, froze or removed all the AT&T bloat, put Nova Launcher on there and I could not be happier with the phone.
Some will suggest that you load a custom ROM on there. If that's your thing, go for it. Myself, I depend on my phone too much to not be able to get support. I use custom rom's on my tablet and I've got several apps that don't work right. The ROM developer is of no help. And the app developers won't help because it's not a OEM rom. I can live with that on my tablet, but not my phone.
WolfmanRobby said:
Well, I have to toss my hat in the "Why don't you Root it and Clean it up?" crowd.
I bought my phone Monday, came home, loaded ICS, rooted it the next day, froze or removed all the AT&T bloat, put Nova Launcher on there and I could not be happier with the phone.
Some will suggest that you load a custom ROM on there. If that's your thing, go for it. Myself, I depend on my phone too much to not be able to get support. I use custom rom's on my tablet and I've got several apps that don't work right. The ROM developer is of no help. And the app developers won't help because it's not a OEM rom. I can live with that on my tablet, but not my phone.
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I am a big fan of reliability also. Normally I wind up stock on phones. Not so on this phone. I am really impressed with Sean's work. ATT really loads on the bloat and some of the junk (YP in the address book) is hard to get out. I have been running his port of the Roger's rom and it is solid. (on ATT) It also has some nice features like the call recording (free). I like it so much I haven't even messed with his ATT official ICS port (or the Kies OTA one).
Imho..
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I am a big fan of reliability also. Normally I wind up stock on phones. Not so on this phone. I am really impressed with Sean's work. ATT really loads on the bloat and some of the junk (YP in the address book) is hard to get out. I have been running his port of the Roger's rom and it is solid. (on ATT) It also has some nice features like the call recording (free). I like it so much I haven't even messed with his ATT official ICS port (or the Kies OTA one).
Imho..
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Got a link to go check it out? I'm not sure you you are talking about when you say "Sean."
Oh, I actually like the Yellow Pages stuff. I use the heck out of it and have since my BlackBerry days. LoL
WolfmanRobby said:
Got a link to go check it out? I'm not sure you you are talking about when you say "Sean."
Oh, I actually like the Yellow Pages stuff. I use the heck out of it and have since my BlackBerry days. LoL
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Killer ROM based on the official Rogers ICS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722828
His newest ROM based on the offical ATT ICS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1763195
I have been running the Rogers ICS for weeks on ATT and have no problems at all. It is very smooth and fast. Everybody has different software, of course; but it is like running stock just faster with some tweaks.
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His newest ROM based on the offical ATT ICS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1763195
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This is the ROM I'm running. It is SMOOTH and in one word : Amazing
I am running the "stockish" version (not the speed dragon version).
Exchange email
4.2F6 R2 base
Update 1.7
UCLF6 radio
UCLF6 modded kernel
My son has a new Skyrocket as of 2 weeks ago. I just upgraded his phone to ICS using Kies. It is not anywhere in the same league as Seanzscream's "Sky ICS" from based on AT&T's official release.
I was running Seanz ICS Rom based on Rogers. It was great! But I honestly think the AT&T version runs better.
Sean provides great support (the best dev I've experienced in my 3 years of flashing Roms). You can feel confident flashing his AT&T rom for your daily driver. I NEED my phone to work. And it works better than stock.:thumbup:
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His newest ROM based on the offical ATT ICS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1763195
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Thanks for the link. I just looked at the thread and, honestly, I doubt I would fool with a ROM where I have to choose the radio and the email on top of the ROM build. Too many variables to screw with means too many chances to screw something up.
If it was just flashing the ROM, yeah, I'd give it a try. But, I need my phone too much to play around with different radios and such to make sure I got the right one.
On my tablet, yeah.. I treat that thing like Frankenstein's monster!
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Thanks for the link. I just looked at the thread and, honestly, I doubt I would fool with a ROM where I have to choose the radio and the email on top of the ROM build. Too many variables to screw with means too many chances to screw something up.
If it was just flashing the ROM, yeah, I'd give it a try. But, I need my phone too much to play around with different radios and such to make sure I got the right one.
On my tablet, yeah.. I treat that thing like Frankenstein's monster!
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You don't have to choose those.
I flashed the "non dragon" which has all of the stock mail functionality in it, as well as the most up to date radio, and I honestly couldn't be happier. The entire process took less than ten minutes, and it's worlds apart better than stock.
Give it a shot, I'm pretty sure you won't be disappointed.
Surprisingly enough, I couldn't get my office 365 email account to setup correctly on the stock build from AT&T, but after flashing sean's rom, I've had absolutely 0 problems.
vincom said:
read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1652398 but only to get to 2.3.5 or ics, not 2.3.6 dont think thats possible
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i found out that it is possible to get 2.3.6 back on the phone. the info is on my sticky in the first link in my sig
Chewza said:
You don't have to choose those.
I flashed the "non dragon" which has all of the stock mail functionality in it, as well as the most up to date radio, and I honestly couldn't be happier. The entire process took less than ten minutes, and it's worlds apart better than stock.
Give it a shot, I'm pretty sure you won't be disappointed.
Surprisingly enough, I couldn't get my office 365 email account to setup correctly on the stock build from AT&T, but after flashing sean's rom, I've had absolutely 0 problems.
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That's good to know, but I still won't go for it for the other reason I stated.... Support by 3rd party developers for their apps.
I have a half dozen apps that I have issues with on my Tablet that I can not get developers to support because I'm running a custom ROM. I can't risk that on my phone. Take Pandora. On my Tablet, it will play one song, then DRAG until I skip a song. They refuse to support it because I'm running a non-official ROM. It ticks me off because I like to use my tablet to listen to music in bed (On it's charging stand, plugged into a 2.1 speaker system with the sub under the bed).
And, yeah, you can SAY you are running stock because the ROM is based off stock. But, as soon as you have to send them a log, or debugging info, they will see it's not stock and your support for that app is gone.
So, I'll stick with telling the OP to try a wipe and reload from a CLEAN phone (Clean all the caches). And, then rooting and freezing the bloatware.
maybe....
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5034...veals-android-4-kitkat-os-11.htm#.UicpuH-I68A
here's a quote from the article:
Android 4.4 KitKat Features
Google hasn't revealed any features yet of the upcoming Android 4.4 KitKat but instead, the company said: "our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody."
With this statement from Google, it is expected that KitKat will become accessible to Android-running devices with lower RAM such as 512MB and older Android version such as 2.3 Gingerbread. This optimisation has been rumoured to be included in Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie.
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What...
http://signatures.mobile-overload.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sig-cm-5.png
I would not hold my breath.
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lol no. Unless if it was created by an awesome person here, but there's no point in that. This phone is long dead, earlier this week I finally moved on, and oh my gosh, its been great having a Nexus 4 over this phone that was out-dated before it was even released back in Spring 2011.
Nope
You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.
ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...
10amla said:
You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.
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I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
JihadSquad said:
ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...
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Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though
dwitherell said:
I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though
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I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.
10amla said:
I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.
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Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!
dwitherell said:
Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!
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I agree with your take on MyFiles, one of the first thing I did was replace it with something else(currently FX File Manager). I wasn't a big deal, I had planed on copying my few ringtones to system anyway.
while I agree that the we are more likely to see Republicans and Democrats agree on something, would still be interesting to see if this holds true. I really would not be surprised though, if older devices do get upgraded to the latest OS - that could mean larger revenues for Google. more folks would be able to use their apps, services, etc. without having to get a new device.
however, after then, they could see how slow their device is, and then they decide to upgrade. but still, worth keeping an eye on.
Google and Verizon both agreeing to do this? Hell will freeze over first.
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From my understanding of several stories posted from Android sites since KitKat was announced, It sounds like either Google is going to update phones to KitKat silently like they have been doing everything else without the help of Samsung or Verizon or perhaps we just get these features without ever actually upgrading to KitKat
Hangouts is supposed to be replacing the stock Messaging app-If Google can do that then why would they need anything from Samsung/Verizon??
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...msmms-integration-video-sharing-capabilities/
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/10/08/h...uts-will-almost-certainly-integrate-with-sms/
4.4 "Google Experience" Launcher Launcher could be released from the Play Store (which would replace touchwiz??)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...re-some-things-we-are-expecting-to-see-in-it/
The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.
asacado said:
The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.
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That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?
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That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?
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I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.
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I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.
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I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.
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I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.
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I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?
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I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?
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AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.
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AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.
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not sure if I mentioned this earlier, but it could be the fact that the charge is based on RFS system (GB 2.3). I believe android went EXT4 with ICS and higher. there are some kernels that can convert the Charge to EXT4 - so not sure if that would help ya.