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So I have one of the bricked phones post GPS update. I went to the store, the guy I talked to thought I was an idiot and it just needed a charge, which it didn't, and then referred me to the AT&T Device Support Center. So I called that number which then transferred me to the AT&T Android Specialist Team who then said that Samsung has a fix (which got my hopes up) and redirected me to Samsung. The Samsung rep was clueless and then transferred me to the Tier 2 Galaxy S CS Department and this lady said that Samsung has no responsibility for the update bricking my phone and that any official update will be on the Sumsung website and that this is AT&T's problem. She then went to say I can either go back and talk to AT&T or have send in my phone to Samsung and have them reflash it. I'm past my 30 days to return the phone and wondering what I should do at this point. Any suggestions would be great.
(oh and one of the reps kept asking if it was the 2.2 update bricking my phone...which I'm guessing implies that froyo is out? or she's a total moron)
Update: Called ATT warranty center again and got them to send me another phone. Reconditioned w/o back case or battery (is that normal?) and the guy was nice enough to waive me priority shipping. Name was John Perez sounded Indian, but he wasn't too bad. Supposedly the phone will have the GPS fix pre-installed on it from my understanding of what John said. Will continuing update how the phone turns out if anybody is curious
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So I have one of the bricked phones post GPS update. I went to the store, the guy I talked to thought I was an idiot and it just needed a charge, which it didn't, and then referred me to the AT&T Device Support Center. So I called that number which then transferred me to the AT&T Android Specialist Team who then said that Samsung has a fix (which got my hopes up) and redirected me to Samsung. The Samsung rep was clueless and then transferred me to the Tier 2 Galaxy S CS Department and this lady said that Samsung has no responsibility for the update bricking my phone and that any official update will be on the Sumsung website and that this is AT&T's problem. She then went to say I can either go back and talk to AT&T or have send in my phone to Samsung and have them reflash it. I'm past my 30 days to return the phone and wondering what I should do at this point. Any suggestions would be great.
(oh and one of the reps kept asking if it was the 2.2 update bricking my phone...which I'm guessing implies that froyo is out? or she's a total moron)
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Go to an ATT store or call ATT support and threaten to cancel if they don't give you a new phone on the spot. ATT seriously screwed up and I think that by now, they realize it.
Hey, you posted while I was updating but that's what I did.
Yes, a refurbished unit usually comes with no battery sim or battery cover.
I keep hearing that samsung is telling folks to not take the ota update. How are we supposed to update? Kies is not released for the usa.
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Can someone tell me what Kies and OTA are?
According to the Samsung rep I talked to, the only official updates from them are on there website and things pushed on air are from AT&T and not Samsung's problem.
Oh and thanks for confirming my refurb question!
I went in to the store, told them the phone bricked during the OTA update. After he saw nothing happened when he plugged into the charger of PC, he replaced my phone with a new Captivate.
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I went in to the store, told them the phone bricked during the OTA update. After he saw nothing happened when he plugged into the charger of PC, he replaced my phone with a new Captivate.
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Were you within 30 days or past it?
Foxy Roxy said:
Were you within 30 days or past it?
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Within. Although he stated he would do a 'courtesy' for me to exchange since at first he though I was out of the 30 days.
qwertyaas said:
I went in to the store, told them the phone bricked during the OTA update. After he saw nothing happened when he plugged into the charger of PC, he replaced my phone with a new Captivate.
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If you were outside of your 30 days...I'm jealous...
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If you were outside of your 30 days...I'm jealous...
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me too...
I bought it on Aug 20th... They told me to drive half hour to warranty center to get replaced. I went there and was told they had to fedex me a refurbed phone body...
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me too...
I bought it on Aug 20th... They told me to drive half hour to warranty center to get replaced. I went there and was told they had to fedex me a refurbed phone body...
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The warranty stores around me don't service the Captivate so I didn't have a choice but to do it over the phone.
You could probably argue to at least get free faster shipping if they're offering anything slower than 2-3 day shipping
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Can someone tell me what Kies and OTA are?
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OTA = Over The Air.
Kies = Samsung software used for interfacing your phone to your PC. Personally, I uninstalled it after a very short time because I found it to be useless, however, others on these forums like it a lot, so YMMV. Not to be confused with drivers, Kies is a front end UI, kinda like iTunes, but if someone here uses it or likes it more than I do, feel free to correct me.
So got my replacement phone, the battery was completely dead when I put it in (was at 90% when the phone bricked). So imo the screwed up update discharged my battery and may have shorted something in the phone itself. Thoughts?
how is the replacement phone, is the refurbished phone works like a champ without any scratches/dings?
My replacement phone (unrelated issue) came back looking brand new.
I am not so sure they are refurbed...not yet at least.
Same here. The JH7 update bricked my Captivate. After the OTA download, the update started, then said "update failed. Your phone will now boot." But the screen went black, and boot never completed. Phone would not power on, and I tried two different charged batteries. Phone was stock -- not rooted, no side loaded apps, no mods at all other than market apps.
AT&T store was nice, but would not replace my phone on the spot because I was outside 30 days. AT&T warranty is sending me a replacement. The replacement is supposed to have JH7 already installed.
Also, I just ordered an iPhone 4 on a separate contract through my company, primarily to get corporate Exchange email. I can get Exchange email to work on my Captivate, but I don't like how my company's Exchange security policy forces an unlock password on my personal Android phone. So I will use the Captivate for personal use and the iPhone for work for the time being. Now I can decide through actual use which phone I like better. Until recently I was a committed Windows Mobile user, but I decided very early that WM7 has some shortcomings that I cannot live with. Let the early adopters clean up WM7, and maybe I will try it at the end of my Captivate contract.
Its unreal all the issues from the first update for us. AT&T really botched this one. Makes me think unless samsung does something we are going to be left in the dark as far as updates go.
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Same here. The JH7 update bricked my Captivate. After the OTA download, the update started, then said "update failed. Your phone will now boot." But the screen went black, and boot never completed. Phone would not power on, and I tried two different charged batteries. Phone was stock -- not rooted, no side loaded apps, no mods at all other than market apps.
AT&T store was nice, but would not replace my phone on the spot because I was outside 30 days. AT&T warranty is sending me a replacement. The replacement is supposed to have JH7 already installed.
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yeah, we are exactly the same... got to 50%, update failed, and it died... and i was out of my warranty for 1 day! screwed.... the warranty can send me a replacement... and the samsung can reflush my phone.... i am now confused, should i send it to samsung or to att...
if i send it to att, i will get a refurb one, if i send it to samsung i got my same phone... i think i prefer to send it to samsung
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btw, is it possible to see the internal memory card data and copy my data?
Phone is in better physical condition than my original lol
I'm assuming that JH7 comes from the last 3 characters of the baseband version in which case the phone was not updated. The GPS is better on this refurb than my original, albeit still spotty.
I was given those 2 options too, i chose to go with at&t and get a refurb. The Samsung rep I talked to also suggested that I go with the AT&T warranty first. And no I do not believe there is a way to copy your data off the bricked phone without physically taking it apart (which may void the warranty I dunno)
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Phone is in better physical condition than my original lol
I'm assuming that JH7 comes from the last 3 characters of the baseband version in which case the phone was not updated. The GPS is better on this refurb than my original, albeit still spotty.
I was given those 2 options too, i chose to go with at&t and get a refurb. The Samsung rep I talked to also suggested that I go with the AT&T warranty first. And no I do not believe there is a way to copy your data off the bricked phone without physically taking it apart (which may void the warranty I dunno)
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why the samsung rep suggest to go with the att warranty? can you tell me?
also, we will get a "new" unit with different imei with my original box, if i want to sell my phone later, i cant do it...
First, I am certain the monkeys on the other side of T-Mobile chat are reading prompts off a computer screen, so I had to go old school and acutally picked up the phone. Just got off the phone with T-Mobile tech rep (that's the first step, get past customer care) who said stop going through warranty exchanges as they are not actually being refurbished - they will still overheat and they will still have screen bleed. Instead, wait until the phone is in stock again and have a new one sent. No QC issues with the new ones and he hinted that when they start shipping they will have GB. He said the phone has been pulled while LG and Google work on "issues".
So if you are having issues and have been throug multiple exchanges, call T-Mobile, have a tech rep note your account to have a new phone shipped once they are available, and start checking every day to see when the phone is shipping again.
I REFUSE to go to Sensation. I think this phone is going to run circles around the Sensation once the kinks are worked out.
thank you for this information
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It works, I did it myself, they will be sending me one.
Yea right. I was asking all over the place for tmobike to send me a brand new G2 instead of 6 refurbished piles of ****. Never did j get a brand new phone they said it would be a luck of the draw to get a new one. I think this Rep was blowing smoke up your ass.
G2x with CM7 and faux ..21 kernel
Actually it will come in a new box direct from manufacturer (new back, new charger, new usb) - There is a restocking fee ($5 if you have insurance)
That sounds like a good idea. I am about to try that now.
Thanks beggars. I may bebyrying this once it actually gets out again, just to see what people say about screen bleed because if it fixes bugs but there's still screen bleed, no point in exchanging it
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I just got done with chat support and am being sent a brand new G2x directly from LG once they get more in.
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when you send yours back will you unroot first?
It would probably be a good idea to
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Every phone I have received has had bleeding issues so I never rooted, but I would highly recommend unrooting before sending back. Also, now that I think about it, the rep never said anything about sending the bunk phone back - just said a new phone in a new box would be coming.
I am wondering if this is how they are going to handle all future exchanges for the G2X - meaning, everyone gets a new phone once they start shipping and the old bunk ones will go back to LG to be refurbed.
I was denied because i am not in my remorse period. Tried calling two times and got the same answer lol, was told i could exchange for a refurb only
I just got off the phone with the loyalty dept and he said I need to return it to the retailer I bought it from...but the retailer doesn't have anymore g2x's in stock, and has no idea when he'll get more. So the loyalty dept said I can void my contract if I wish...that's it...take it or leave it. He also said that T-mobile HAS the update from LG already, but that they are still testing and will not release it until they are 100% confident in it...which he estimates to be in the middle of July.
And the rep I spoke to before him told me that any problems with the phone are the USER's fault because you are NOT supposed to have more than 5 downloaded apps on your phone at any time...you only install more apps when you get bored with the ones you currently have. Ummm..WHAT?!?!?
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And the rep I spoke to before him told me that any problems with the phone are the USER's fault because you are NOT supposed to have more than 5 downloaded apps on your phone at any time...you only install more apps when you get bored with the ones you currently have. Ummm..WHAT?!?!?
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This must be an industry standard line of BS.
I heard the EXACT same statement from a tech in a Verizon store.
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I was denied because i am not in my remorse period. Tried calling two times and got the same answer lol, was told i could exchange for a refurb only
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I am technically outside of my 14 day remorse period (although i am pretty sure if I had to, I could argue that I am not due to a T-Mobile rep telling me I needed a new battery rather than an exchange), but that doesn't matter - I have had 3 warranty exchanges within 90 days so they are sending me a new one if LG starts shipping them again.
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This must be an industry standard line of BS.
I heard the EXACT same statement from a tech in a Verizon store.
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I think they mean desktop....remember windows phone 7 caused a similar uproar with it's live tile statements. I'm thinking 5-7 apps live on the desktop.
A guy at verizon said the samething to me when talking about battery life on droid x 2. He had a droid x. I asked to see his phone. He had dozens....he just laughed...said they are told to say these things.
I have had 1 exchange for very bad screen bleed. My current one has no noticeable bleed unless specifically in Draw! and looking for it. I recently had a couple episodes of the battery refusing to charge/connect via usb until I rebooted the phone. These symptoms appeared after my buyers remorse period was up. Another thing is I bought it at full price and I'm still under my old contract.
It has been getting hot, but not abnormally so to my standards. I could throw that in for good measure.
Do those that have been assured a new phone think my situation will qualify?
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I bought my G2x on 4/20 and it's way past my exchanging date. Is there any way to exchange it still?
I haven't used the insurance option on a new phone in some time. I bought insurance with this phone. I am just curious if they send u cash or a new phone. Would love to get one without screen bleed if it would be possible with the new batch of phones.
I'm within my buyer's remorse period...but in my area, if I drop my tmobile contract, my options are sprint, but the only near-comparable phone is the nexus s, and I'm simply not interested in signing a contract based on that phone right now; verizon, but I don't want to pay $120/month for service (which is $30 more than I pay with Tmobile); or att (same cost as verizon).
If I stay with Tmobile, the only realistic option would be the Sensation...and the problems some people are having with that phone seem to be worse, considering software can't EVER fix a faulty screen that accumulates dust under it.
So I think I'll just make the best with what I've got...looks like I got onboard at the wrong time.
Here's to hoping things get better.
So my question ia that I just got this phone from tmobile customer care over the phone. I like everything on the device so far, except the speaker volume.So I want to take advantage of the twenty day guarantee. I want to try another unit. If I call them and tell them that I don't like this unit, will they send the other unit out first our do I have to send mines back first? If I have both units on hand, I can easily compare both and decide which one to keep.
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So my question ia that I just got this phone from tmobile customer care over the phone. I like everything on the device so far, except the speaker volume.So I want to take advantage of the twenty day guarantee. I want to try another unit. If I call them and tell them that I don't like this unit, will they send the other unit out first our do I have to send mines back first? If I have both units on hand, I can easily compare both and decide which one to keep.
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Not my experience. I also ordered from TMO over the phone. After 5 days my Sensation died. Took it to a store and they refused to replace it, said I had to call it in. Called and they will only replace it after receiving mine. I even have to call them again after they've received it to arrange the replacement. It's going to take over a week to get the new one.
One other thing, there seems to be a difference in how they treat new accounts and upgrades. Since mine is an upgrade this is the only option I had.
Really pisses me off. There are several ways they could handle this better. Not good service at all.
Samnada you settled for less than good treatment man.
I was on day 12 of 14 and called in about the broken power button. They told me they'd send a new one out when I called in with the tracking number for the one I'm returning. I said fine - will they overnight it? They said they dont do that. I told them they overnighted the first one (2 day ground in a one day zone but their words). I told them I need a phone and I would be cancelling service if that's how it would work. She got with a supervisor and agreed to ship me one and that i'd return the other when I got the replacement or Id eat the cost of the second. She made sure to mention this was a special allowance for me and not general procedure.
2nd phone has a blue dot under the gorilla glass. Called in to see if I could ship both phones together back to Tmo. Thinking about cancelling service too. Not interested in doing this **** over and over. Guy was cool said I should have had return shipping slips in both boxes (I didnt) and that they'd reimburse me if I take my shipping receipt to a store. Also asked me to take the phone to a store to have them see in person whats wrong with it and note my account. Then he said theyd do the same ship and return after receipt of new phone w/ shipping reimbursement to my account via credit.
YMMV from rep to rep man - you may have to call back a few times to get satisfaction. I was surprised the woman I spoke to Wednesday helped me so much. Very cool. Guy I spoke with today was a Sensation owner and very cool too.
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Samnada you settled for less than good treatment man.
I was on day 12 of 14 and called in about the broken power button. They told me they'd send a new one out when I called in with the tracking number for the one I'm returning. I said fine - will they overnight it? They said they dont do that. I told them they overnighted the first one (2 day ground in a one day zone but their words). I told them I need a phone and I would be cancelling service if that's how it would work. She got with a supervisor and agreed to ship me one and that i'd return the other when I got the replacement or Id eat the cost of the second. She made sure to mention this was a special allowance for me and not general procedure.
2nd phone has a blue dot under the gorilla glass. Called in to see if I could ship both phones together back to Tmo. Thinking about cancelling service too. Not interested in doing this **** over and over. Guy was cool said I should have had return shipping slips in both boxes (I didnt) and that they'd reimburse me if I take my shipping receipt to a store. Also asked me to take the phone to a store to have them see in person whats wrong with it and note my account. Then he said theyd do the same ship and return after receipt of new phone w/ shipping reimbursement to my account via credit.
YMMV from rep to rep man - you may have to call back a few times to get satisfaction. I was surprised the woman I spoke to Wednesday helped me so much. Very cool. Guy I spoke with today was a Sensation owner and very cool too.
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I did take it to a store when it first died to try a different battery in case that was the problem. They confirmed the phone was indeed dead, and noted that in my account. But he wouldn't swap for a new one unless I had purchased it at the store.
I was on the phone for nearly 2 hours, switched to 3 different people, and the best I could get was a $10 credit on the shipping to them. They'll overnight the new one , but not until they receive mine and I call them back to undo/redo my upgrade deal. I could get a loaner phone in the meantime, but it would have just been some cheapo deal which didn't interest me since I have my Vibrant.
Part of what bothers me about TMO is this horsetrading aspect where some people get great deals and others get zip, apparently depending on a roll of the dice and who you happen to get on the phone. Some CSR's are great and others sound like they're robotically reading from a script.
They're standard policy sucks. They need to change it. I shouldn't have to beg and plead and threaten to be treated like I'm a paying customer.
They could have overnighted the new phone to the store, have me turn in my dead one there, and verified the problem and the return. Done deal, and they would be out nothing more than they will now. They could also do just what you said, ship me one overnight and if I didn't return the bad one charge me full retail for both. Fine. But their standard policy seems designed to maximize frustration.
I'm considering all my options, but have to have an international phone, so that narrows the choices of carriers, and from what I've heard ATT is even worse.
If TMO has the best customer service it's no wonder cell phones are the source of the most consumer complaints.
I'm not sure if things have changed in the last 5-6 months but when me and my wife had multiple problems with our MT4G's I never had to send mine in first. As a matter of fact I had 6 out of 7 sent overnight free of charge. But on all of them I was told I had seven days to return them after I received the new one.
Maybe times have changed. I might be doing a exchange as well in the near future and I will see.
i actually am getting a replacement for mine on tuesday , i called it in today after all hell broke loose on my phone today ,they are sending me another unit and im sending them back mine , actually they gave me the option
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i actually am getting a replacement for mine on tuesday , i called it in today after all hell broke loose on my phone today ,they are sending me another unit and im sending them back mine , actually they gave me the option
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Are you in the 14-day remorse period? They kept telling me it was because I'm doing an upgrade and I have to cancel/redo the deal to restart the 14-days on the new phone. I don't understand how people are reporting they've swapped Sensations 3 or 4 times. How is that being done? Am I the only one who's being treated this way?
The more I hear the more mad I get.
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Are you in the 14-day remorse period? They kept telling me it was because I'm doing an upgrade and I have to cancel/redo the deal to restart the 14-days on the new phone. I don't understand how people are reporting they've swapped Sensations 3 or 4 times. How is that being done? Am I the only one who's being treated this way?
The more I hear the more mad I get.
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monday makes 14 days ,i dont know if that makes a difference , they guy asked me if i wanted to wait for an update from htc and i told him no , i also called htc and they couldnt do anything because of the holiday , you shouyld be good to go being that the phone is still under warranty
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monday makes 14 days ,i dont know if that makes a difference , they guy asked me if i wanted to wait for an update from htc and i told him no , i also called htc and they couldnt do anything because of the holiday , you shouyld be good to go being that the phone is still under warranty
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I'm good as far as it being replaced, it's just the process they're requiring of having to receive my phone before they ship me a new one that's absurd. Due to the holiday it's going to be next Friday at the earliest before I get a phone.
I'll start calling tomorrow to see if they can persuade me to stay a TMO customer.
Totally understand your gripes and they're legitimate. You shouldn't have to roll the dice for options that others get. I feel you on GSM too. I really don't want to go to ATT because I'd have to get an iPhone. I'm tired of reconfiguring phones already. If the next one is trash too I'm going back to my N1 and old contract. Wifi calling is sweet but not happy with the poor quality control.
By way of comparison, we went through a sordid version of this when the N1's rolled out, too. TMO didn't wanna touch'em, Google (who sold and shipped them out overnight) had no live support, and we had to rely on HTC. At the time, HTC's policy was (maybe still is?) only DOA phones would get immediate replacement at no additional charge. Any phone that worked, THEN failed was an 'in-warranty' replacement, and the only way to expedite it was to allow your credit card to be fully charged (although some report a $1 hold rather than a full charge) and THEN they would cross-ship. Otherwise, you had to ship the old unit BEFORE the new one shipped, and we had reports a call with a tracking number (as mentioned above) would also expedite a replacement shipment. I know waiting sucks, but unless it was bought IN a physical store, with their own return/replacement policies, 'it is what it is'. :|
Thanks for the input guys. I'll be calling them soon. They told me that I have a 20 day remorse period for some reason. Also, to the person having the issue of not bring able to return the phone to the store , It's not gonna happen. The rep told me straight up that the phone people and the store people are not together.
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Another question: if they send me the other phone also, and I have a chance to compare both, would I be able to send the second unit back incase my first original unit is better? Or do I have to keep the second one?
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um when i first got my htc sensation the power button was slanted and the screen was messed up and weird looking aou screen i called that same day to get a replacement got it in 2 days. I told the rep i have the tracking number in my hand which i did =] just went to ups.com got a tracking number and shipped it out tm while my replacement phone was coming. The downside is you will be charged twice =/ the first phone will be on your cc already then they will charge you again for the 2nd one.. thing sucks to wait 4 weeks for it to clear just remember when u drop off the package to ask for the receipt. Maybe i was just lucky huh?
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Not my experience. I also ordered from TMO over the phone. After 5 days my Sensation died. Took it to a store and they refused to replace it, said I had to call it in. Called and they will only replace it after receiving mine. I even have to call them again after they've received it to arrange the replacement. It's going to take over a week to get the new one.
One other thing, there seems to be a difference in how they treat new accounts and upgrades. Since mine is an upgrade this is the only option I had.
Really pisses me off. There are several ways they could handle this better. Not good service at all.
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This is because they are redoing your upgrade. Tell them you don't want to redo the upgrade, you just want a replacement.
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This is because they are redoing your upgrade. Tell them you don't want to redo the upgrade, you just want a replacement.
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They didn't give me a choice. They said this is how it's going to work. Send us your dead phone, once we get it give us a call and we'll redo your upgrade and send you a new phone. They said it was because I got the upgrade through Customer Retention. It's like dealing with the government.
I offered to let them take my CC # and bill me if I didn't return the phone if they would ship the new one right away and they refused.
Not sure how they decide who to punish. My credit rating is perfect. I've never given them a minutes problem in the past. Just seems totally arbitrary.
I called them with the UPS tracking # in order to get the $10 shipping credit, so they have that. They're going to ship me a new phone, so what's it to them if it's today or next Thursday? I just don't get it.
I'm 23, have terrible credit and constantly call in and complain. I've been a customer since I was 18 and in the way that matters, paying my bill, I've always been a good customer. TMobile has always shipped my replacements out first and then I mail mine back to them in the box they ship the replacement in to me.
One time, they shipped be a broken MT3GS as a replacement so I called in and yelled at them so they sent me a second replacement MT3GS so I had three phones, 2 of which belonged to TMobile, out at the same time. I complained about them shipping me a broken phone, the amount of problems on my phone, they tried to give me a motorola cliq2, I told them they were crazy and I got a 350 dollar discount and upgraded to the sensation on Launch Day. Great timing!
Just got off the phone with a much more helpful TMO CSR. Order for replacement phone has been placed, due to the holiday it will ship overnight on Tue, arrive here Wed. Wish I'd gotten her the first time.
Thanks for the encouragement to keep after them.
So any opinions on whether I would have to return my first unit after receiving the second one or just return the second one incase the first unit is better than the replacement unit?
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So any opinions on whether I would have to return my first unit after receiving the second one or just return the second one incase the first unit is better than the replacement unit?
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If it is a warranty exchange you can send either back.
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April 28th I used my upgrade for this phone. It was great up until that first "update", then it was 5-10 reboots daily.
Since then I'm on my 3rd thunderbolt. I've had a store rep lie to me saying I needed to go back to the place I bought it at to get a replacement phone, same rep voided the warranty after they transfered service back to my D1. Then Verizon tried to charge me the $570 fee for not sending back my 2nd thunderbolt.
After all this hassle & frustration the local manager gives me a free extended battery. Almost worth the $310 to buy out my contract if this is what the future looks like.
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April 28th I used my upgrade for this phone. It was great up until that first "update", then it was 5-10 reboots daily.
Since then I'm on my 3rd thunderbolt. I've had a store rep lie to me saying I needed to go back to the place I bought it at to get a replacement phone, same rep voided the warranty after they transfered service back to my D1. Then Verizon tried to charge me the $570 fee for not sending back my 2nd thunderbolt.
After all this hassle & frustration the local manager gives me a free extended battery. Almost worth the $310 to buy out my contract if this is what the future looks like.
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Did you buy your phone from an authorized retailer or a Verizon company store? Lots of times, authorized retailers are only worried about a sale and not customer service.
I've also heard great things about Best Buy Mobile.
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I'm on my launch day TB, Never had a reboot, shut down, or problem rooting, flashing any rom, theme, font or sim failure. I am however in a Non 4g area.
Knock on wood.
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My wife and I both had our phones replaced. Mine is not as bad as hers but she can't hit the home button with out the phone freezing or loosing the touch functionality. Anyone know if its possible to swap for a different phone?
tekkski said:
My wife and I both had our phones replaced. Mine is not as bad as hers but she can't hit the home button with out the phone freezing or loosing the touch functionality. Anyone know if its possible to swap for a different phone?
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Call *611
If its a manufacturing defect then its covered. If you dropped it then I hope you have insurance.
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CanesDrew said:
Did you buy your phone from an authorized retailer or a Verizon company store? Lots of times, authorized retailers are only worried about a sale and not customer service.
I've also heard great things about Best Buy Mobile.
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I did buy it from a authorized retailer. Thing that frustrates me to no end is the customer service or better yet the lack of it. To have a rep knowingly activate my old phone thus voiding my warranty is beyond inexcusable.
Then the whole trying to charge me $570 for a device that I did send back, its almost like they want me to cancel my contract. I mean do I have to take a manager with me to fed ex to ship my old broken phone so they don't make the same mistake?
Maybe its too much to ask for that I get a working phone that I paid good money for & god forbid anything happens to it that they will try to help. Sorry that my phone broke & you have to spend 5 min helping me order a refurb. Perhaps if I tipped the rep then maybe they could help me even though its not a sale.
I had a crapload of problems after the MR1 OTA, including random reboots, overheating, crappy GPS, you name it. Instead of trying for a replacement, I re-flashed the full MR1 zip from my SD card, and all of my problems went away even when using MR1. MR2 made everything even better, although I'm no longer running a stock install.
My question is, have you guys tried re-flashing with the full RUU? It seems like a lot of the problems could be the result of a bad flash/faulty upgrade.
Great news! Now this phone is starting to reboot. Maybe its just time to root so my $300 phone will work
I know it's a dead horse. And some people get have different results. But yesterday I tried to exchange my G2X due to freezing, reboots, and lock ups while on wall charger (running official GB). (This is still my first G2X, my past exchange attempt was to get less screen bleed which failed.)
This time the agent told me they are aware of issues post update install and can do nothing. Then they told me I have to wait until LG has a fix. This is the same results I got when I complained of screen bleed and was denied a replacement due to that.
I usually don't get too excited, but based on principal this is beat. I know it's nothing new to some of you but I'm not sure where to go next. I really want to see if LG will ever own up to this and anything else, but I'm sure my issues are hardware based.
T-Mobile: There is a known issue with this phone after the 2.3 update. At this time, there is no further information I need.
T-Mobile: LG is aware of this issue and are working closely to resolve the issue.
Francis Scardino: ok.
T-Mobile: I am unable to process an exchange for you.
T-Mobile: I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
Francis Scardino: So what do I do?
T-Mobile: You would have to wait until LG comes to a resolution for this issue.
Francis Scardino: I was told that last time about the light bleeding through the screen issues. The phone is not really reliable right now and I need it for work and do not have a home phone. There must be another resolution.
T-Mobile: I definitely understand, Francis. However, this phone does have a few known issues. This is the only thing that we can advise you of.
Francis Scardino: That's quite disappointing. I understand you can only do what you are allowed to do, but I have to find some other resolution. I cannot afford for my phone to turn off while charging at night, my job requires 24 hour on call.
Francis Scardino: Is there an escalation contact I can call. I have to come up with something other than buying a new phone. This one is not very old.
Francis Scardino: I just changed my contract to 2 years, and there is no equipment discount. I'm stuck.
T-Mobile: Unfortunately, there is no escalation process for this issue.
T-Mobile: We can set up call forwarding so that whoever calls your cell phone it will go to another phone.
Try to actually go into a T-Mobile store and make a big deal there
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I hate to say it, laissez-faire kinda guy that I am, but we need some kind of consumer protection legislation to prevent this kind of passing the buck.
Get on the phone and call a live person - ask for tech support, not a customer rep.
Sorry to hear that. I am currently on my second (freezing 3x a day) phone and I was offered another G2X exchange but I refused it. I told them they were just passing around refurb junk sent in by other G2X owners. To my surprise, I was offered a full upgrade (Got Tmobile in April 2011 with 2 year contract). It was a customer service rep that actually gave me that. I thought it was bs so I called back a week later to verify that the early full upgrade was noted in my account and it is. I would only be able to get a phone at the Tmobile website or at a corporate store. They said it would be 80% off the retail price. I am waiting for the Samsung Hercules to use that early full upgrade. I'm pretty sure they log every time you called in with notes of the reason of the call. I called in about 5 times (at least) so I think that's why I was offered the early upgrade. I would try calling in again at a different time. Try early morning around 7AM and then 8PM. That way you wont get the same person. You will get different results with different people you speak with. Call them again and good luck.
I was able to get another replacement overnighted to me yesterday... It should be here today. I did it all through the Live Chat online. I told them my phone would shutoff by itself, and it would require a battery pull, and he issued a replacement for me.
If I were you, I would just keep on trying until they offered to send you a replacement. It's worth multiple tries.
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I hate to say it, laissez-faire kinda guy that I am, but we need some kind of consumer protection legislation to prevent this kind of passing the buck.
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And you care about concealing water damage for the purpose of returning it to these thieves? T-Mobile knows for a damn fact there is good G2X's out there. They just don't want to give this gug another one in fear he might get another damaged G2X since it appears to be a 75% chance he would. Exchanging phones cost them money but they could give a **** less that we spent our hard earned money for a phone that we sometimes can't even use.
We signed a contract with T-Mobile and they entered into a contract with us to provide use with products and service as advertised. You see. I believe in a eye for a eye and two wrongs do make a right. You **** me over and I will **** you over twice as bad
Tmobile customer service is going to ****. Hear you have someone who's phone is not working as expected but they don't want to exchange it because it costs them money. T-Mobile knows there are good G2X'w out there. If all of them had problems then every customer who has one would be calling. I don't even care about the merger anymore. Its apparent T-Mobile is prepping for it quite well.
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I will certainly try again. I just can't wonder if this whole debacle will ever bring a full resolution. Is LG working on something? Are they just buying time to phase it out? What will those who have similar results like me have in the future? Will a fully fixed G2x ever hit the shelves..?
Anyone who got a replacement within the last week, what model number phone did you get?
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And you care about concealing water damage for the purpose of returning it to these thieves? T-Mobile knows for a damn fact there is good G2X's out there. They just don't want to give this gug another one in fear he might get another damaged G2X since it appears to be a 75% chance he would. Exchanging phones cost them money but they could give a **** less that we spent our hard earned money for a phone that we sometimes can't even use.
We signed a contract with T-Mobile and they entered into a contract with us to provide use with products and service as advertised. You see. I believe in a eye for a eye and two wrongs do make a right. You **** me over and I will **** you over twice as bad
Tmobile customer service is going to ****. Hear you have someone who's phone is not working as expected but they don't want to exchange it because it costs them money. T-Mobile knows there are good G2X'w out there. If all of them had problems then every customer who has one would be calling. I don't even care about the merger anymore. Its apparent T-Mobile is prepping for it quite well.
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T-Mo doesn't want o give him another phone because they will have to pay for it out of their own pocket. LG will not give you a new phone because they are incompetent manufacturers, along with being liars and thieves, ...while T-Mo simply can't afford to give away phones that they have to pay for.
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T-Mo doesn't want o give him another phone because they will have to pay for it out of their own pocket. LG will not give you a new phone because they are incompetent manufacturers, along with being liars and thieves, ...while T-Mo simply can't afford to give away phones that they have to pay for.
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T-Mobile can afford it. Their a multi billion dollar company. They sold you a phone to use on their network and it is up to them to make sure it works as advertised for 1 year from purchase. After this ends, T-Mobile can try to recupe their losses from LG but its known policy, their responsible for making sure that phone works within the first year providing the damage was not done by the customer. There is no ifs ands or butts about it. It is what it is and their beating around the bush. Do you think the middle class wooing man has enough money to keep buying phones because its provider wont provide him with a working one? This is bad business and you know it. I don't care if returning G2X's placed them into bankruptcy. The customer is always right and they must fix it.
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it is up to them to make sure it works as advertised for 1 year from purchase.
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Incorrect.
The manufacturer is responsible for the warranty in virtually every industry.
Yeah I had no luck with chat support I had to call in when the replacement was bad.
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Incorrect.
The manufacturer is responsible for the warranty in virtually every industry.
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Yes, the manufacture is ultimately responsible for the warranty but it is up to your providor to be the middle man and exchange the phone for you. They then send the defective phone back to the manufacture to be fixed, replaced or reimbursed.
It is up to the company you purchased the phone from to replace the phone. I didn't buy a phone from LG. I gave my money to T-Mobile who purchased the phone from LG. If I purchase the phone through Amazon then I would contact them for a replacement. If I buy a phone from a middle man than I expect that middle man to fulfill their end of the deal by making sure the device they sold me is not defective and can be used as advertised.
Its a very simple concept for anyone to understand. I know this to be the case since T-Mobile, the middle man exchanges multiple phones every single day.
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If you purchase a product from Best Buy or Walmart, and that product fails after the retailer's return policy has expired you are almost certainly responsible for contacting the manufacturer yourself. Most retailers have 30 day or even 14 day return policies depending on the product.
Arguing with you is like shooting fish in a barrel... you haven't made a valid point yet!
This whole G2X thing is garbage anyways.
Three months ago, I called into T-Mobile and did a contract renewal. I ordered 4 G2X's and 1 Defy for my 11 year old daughter...never would I have thought the Defy would be the best device in the bunch. It just works.
I called in within the first week about the phones shutting off, GPS taking over 25 minutes on 1 device to get a lock and was assured its all software and that LG is getting ready to release a software upgrade that will fix the issues, I should have sent them back and been done at that point instead of trusting what T-Mobile told me. Instead I had 4 replacements sent at one time, sent 3 of them back as they were worse than the originals. T-Mobile then sent me 3 more, fail. When I called back I asked to just send them back and was told i was past my 14 day period, even though it was noted on my account that I had called in previously in regards to sending them back and was told about the software update...that didnt change anything.
Next they decided the batteries were bad so they sent me 4 batteries, well that didnt solve a damn thing. They had me at that point contact LG, that got me a big "your a consumer, we cant offer any details on an updated software, but if you like you can send your phones back to us and we will send you replacements or fix the ones you have". Basically no go with that either.
Back to calling T-Mobile as I noticed now I had $100.00 charge on my bill for them sending me replacement phones!! The lines with insurance were only charged 5 bucks, the other 2 were charged $20!! They were unwilling to waive the fee's when I called about them! However they offered me replacement phones again if I wanted, and naturally at $50 bucks shipping again, I said no I wont pay for shipping again and finally got to loyalty and they waived the shipping if I wanted to try again, which knowing it wouldnt help did anyways just for the chance..I was right, it didnt help.
Then finally the wonderful, magical, all ending software update came...ta-da! Finally! Nope, wait. Still have the same issues, just not nearly as often as before. It seems to be about once a day now that one of the phones will shut off randomly, The GPS is a bit better on 3 of the phones but mine, nope. Still takes a good 10 minutes to get a lock.
When I called T-Mobile to tell them this great "fix" they were promising me didnt do a damn thing they said they know, and that the software update had been recalled but LG is currently working on a fix and to just give it time, they would not offer me anymore replacements as it doesnt seem to fix "MY" issues..lol, wtf T-Mobile. Kiss my ass.
I ended up filling a complaint with the BBB, I dont know if it will help or do anything at all but honestly, way I see it is it cant hurt. That was Sunday evening, I dont know how long it takes to hear anything back, or if I will at all but we will see.
T-Mobile use to be awesome, I am an old SunCom customer and when T-Mobile took over SunCom I was leery of what may become of the company I loved, T-Mobile really stepped it up and I had no complaints, recently though they pretty much just suck. I dont know what provider I will go with next but it wont be T-Mobile, yet I hate Verizon, Sprints horrible, AT&T with the merger..maybe I dont need phones anymore lol ffs.
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I will certainly try again. I just can't wonder if this whole debacle will ever bring a full resolution. Is LG working on something? Are they just buying time to phase it out? What will those who have similar results like me have in the future? Will a fully fixed G2x ever hit the shelves..?
Anyone who got a replacement within the last week, what model number phone did you get?
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My replacement just came in about an hour ago with Gingerbread pre-installed. The model number is LG-P999DW. (Checked LG Updated), so it is NOT a refurb!
Dude this is EXACTLY what's happened to me. I've had 4 exchanges and the caller rep said very matter of factly 'Sorry, we can no longer offer you a G2x exchange. Either keep the G2x you have or we'll send you out a comparable phone, the G2.' I got into explaining how that decision doesn't make any sense since I'm holding up my end of the deal by paying my bill...blah, blah, blah. And he said 'The device I'm told I can offer you today is the G2.' By some of the responses, I guess I'll just keep calling in until someone breaks down. I would LOVE to get $$ toward a Hercules, but it sounds like that's the good fortune of who you talk to.
Dude this is EXACTLY what's happened to me. I've had 4 exchanges and the caller rep said very matter of factly 'Sorry, we can no longer offer you a G2x exchange. Either keep the G2x you have or we'll send you out a comparable phone, the G2.' I got into explaining how that decision doesn't make any sense since I'm holding up my end of the deal by paying my bill...blah, blah, blah. And he said 'The device I'm told I can offer you today is the G2.' By some of the responses, I guess I'll just keep calling in until someone breaks down. I would LOVE to get $$ toward a Hercules, but it sounds like that's the good fortune of who you talk to.
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If you purchase a product from Best Buy or Walmart, and that product fails after the retailer's return policy has expired you are almost certainly responsible for contacting the manufacturer yourself. Most retailers have 30 day or even 14 day return policies depending on the product.
Arguing with you is like shooting fish in a barrel... you haven't made a valid point yet!
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Best Buy and Wal-Mart provide you merchandice but not a service. You don't pay them a monthly fee to lease a product from them. If you sign a contract and purchase a phone for the subsidized price, you are pretty much leasing the phone.
T-Mobile has been exchanging devices with the first year since I can remember. Hell, they exchanged 5 G2X's for me and 3 Sensations within the past 4 months. You can provide a service for one of your customers and not the next. An attorney would eat this alive in a court of law. By their POLICY they need to provide you with a working replacement or exchange your device for another comparable one of equal or lesser value. They CANT just tell you to suck it up and keep paying them monthly for something that doesn't work.
I don't understand why you can't comprehend this. Instead you want to compare Best Buy to a mobile service providor which is apples and oranges. Last time I checked. You don't enter into a contract or pay a monthly fee for a service to Best Buy.
Get off Tmobiles nuts and realize your wrong.
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Very interesting discussion...
I can tell you in no uncertain terms that ultimately LG is responsible for the product. The argument that you "Bought" the phone from T-Mobile, or you "leased" the product from T-Mobile is invalid. Your warranty is with LG.
We were all allowed 14 or 30 days to return the phone. Of course most of us held out for the "update/fix" until it was too late to return.
THIS is why I worked to find another remedy to the situation and ultimately had the class action law suit filed.
For any of you wanting further information about the CAL, contact my attorney directly.
http://www.doylelowther.com/class-action-against-lg-electronics-p999g2x/