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2 seconds from canceling tmobile..

Ill give the short version... preordered on the 15th. told i'd get today. rep NEVER told me i needed to sign some email for verification. Email was sent to some god awful old address i dont even use. all that was offered was a $10 credit. Ive been w/ tmobile since like 02' and thats the best they can do??. call back and he can give a free month but only if i extend for 2 yrs....no thanks. So now i have to go to the store tomorrow and wait another day to get the phone. Oh ya btw i dropped my current phone in the toilet and it doesnt work so i have no phone @ the moment. im so livid I cant even see straight...... seriously considering another carrier just off of principle alone..

Call and talk to customer retention... They'll do much better.
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both offers WERE from retention...i thought they could do much better as well.

Wait, what email? I received no email. Did you get tracking info?

Retention's not doing deals like they used to. I got a G2 from them for $249 with 16 months left on my contract. For the G2X they (mutiple agents) told me if I wanted to go to VZW, maybe I should. My average bill per month for the past 12 months is $350ish because of international roaming. Once the AT&T deal closes I'm going to take their advice and move back to VZW. By then, VZW will have LTE well implemented and a dual-core Android worldphone. With high-value post paid customer gone, T-Mobile can focus all thier attention on $29 per month prepaid customers which, based on CSR attitude, is what they'd prefer.

They did the 249 for me on 2 g2x. I was at the sprint store.
I would of had a deposit on sprint. So it evened out.
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ikarma said:
Wait, what email? I received no email. Did you get tracking info?
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it was an email with a "electronic signature" link that needed to be clicked to confirm the phone. i mean I confirmed my full social, secret code, billing AND shipping address. I dont see why this was even needed. I received no tracking info because it was never shipped.

BarryH_GEG said:
Retention's not doing deals like they used to....... cont'd
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it seems like your right. I mean lets be serious. they KNOW i want the phone. hell I already bought accesorries for it so ya I am going to get it. its just how they went about the whole thing was so wrong i could not believe i was speaking with tmobile. The last guy who offered the free month w/ 2yr extension @ one point said " what do you want us to do?" and not in a helpful way. Like a "we dont care if you cancel;good riddance" kind of way. im still in shock over the whole thing. But its like im trapped. either shake this off and get the phone or go with another carrier, get charged an ETF for breaking contract then getting a higher bill with AT&T, sprint ,etc.

I had a $400 flexpay available which I took... There was on ONLINE form which required me to type in my name.
The only email I got was that my payment went through and it shipped.
Mine said it was supposed to be here Monday so I sold my N1 online. I called last night because it hadn't arrived nor had UPS showed it was even shipped. The lady on the phone told me that online orders were "pre-orders" and the phone wasn't even supposed to ship until Wednesday. I had her and her manager go to the website and tell me where, anywhere, did it say a preorder. I also said people were getting them already and they "assured" me that no one was getting them yet.
I actually had the supervisor cancel the order because I said I'd rather pick it up Wednesday rather then have it ship Wednesday. 20 minutes after I got off the phone, UPS showed it was picked up and scheduled for next day delivery. So I don't even know if they cancelled it or just got it shipped.
Just cancel it and pick one up at the store tomorrow. At this point it isn't even worth fighting with them to get it shipped. I ordered mine Friday with standard shipping and I just got mine a few minutes ago.

Customer retention did me right on today. To make a long story short I have had problems with my Vibrant since day one back in July. From the GPS to the freezing and reboots. T-Mobile has sent me 5 Vibrants since August and when I called on today I asked to speak with a manager. I told them I would like to cancel my account because I spent $500 on a phone and they have done nothing to fix it for me. I told them I tried every GPS fix known to man but none of them worked to my standards. I play golf and use Skydroid so I need the GPS to be pretty damn accurate. It worked fine on my N1 and MyTouch 3g. She then said "I can give you a $200 credit if you upgrade your device." I told her if she looked at my account I haven't been under contract with them for 3 years and have purchased my last 4 devices off contract so what makes you think I want to sign a 2 year contract now with this AT&T merger looming around. She asked me how they could keep me as a customer and I asked her what the value of my used Vibrant was. She told me $354. I then said, "the only way I will remain a T-Mobile customer is if they buy my Vibrant back for $354 and I purchase a G2x off contact for the difference". She put me on hold for 5 minutes and came back and said they would be willing to do that and would ship my G2x tomorrow and after I receive it I have 7 days to return my Vibrant. She even asked me if I would like to pay for the G2x right now or just add the cost to my bill. I chose to pay it now and should have a G2x in my hand by Friday for less than what people are paying to upgrade. Big deal, my Vibrant is gone but I got two cores of goodness for a little over $150 off contract.

Ask for a rep to come bring you a phone immediately. That's how you only paid $100 for the phone with no contract right?
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jrwingate6 said:
Customer retention did me right on today. To make a long story short I have had problems with my Vibrant since day one back in July. From the GPS to the freezing and reboots. T-Mobile has sent me 5 Vibrants since August and when I called on today I asked to speak with a manager. I told them I would like to cancel my account because I spent $500 on a phone and they have done nothing to fix it for me. I told them I tried every GPS fix known to man but none of them worked to my standards. I play golf and use Skydroid so I need the GPS to be pretty damn accurate. It worked fine on my MyTouch 3g. She then said "I can give you a $200 credit if you upgrade your device." I told her if she looked at my account I haven't been under contract with them for 3 years and have purchased my last 4 devices off contract so what makes you think I want to sign a 2 year contract now with this AT&T merger looming around. She asked me how they could keep me as a customer and I asked her what the value of my used Vibrant was. She told me $354. I then said, "the only way I will remain a T-Mobile customer is if they buy my Vibrant back for $354 and I purchase a G2x off contact for the difference". She put me on hold for 5 minutes and came back and said they would be willing to do that and would ship my G2x tomorrow and after I receive it I have 7 days to return my Vibrant. She even asked me if I would like to pay for the G2x right now or just add the cost to my bill. I chose to pay it now and should have a G2x in my hand by Friday for less than what people are paying to upgrade. Big deal, my Vibrant is gone but I got two cores of goodness for a little over $150 off contract.
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Awesome. This is what retention is meant for. You had a real serious legitimate issue and were considering cancelling. The people that are saying retention isn't doing what they used to are likely people that threaten to cancel whenever they want to get something. T-Mobile sees your history and how often you talk to retention or get deals from them. Eventually they will just call your bluff.

uploder said:
it was an email with a "electronic signature" link that needed to be clicked to confirm the phone. i mean I confirmed my full social, secret code, billing AND shipping address. I dont see why this was even needed. I received no tracking info because it was never shipped.
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Blame your state. That's why this is in place. What other carrier lets you split your phone up in payments? I'll go with.... none. It was their fault for not checking the email addy but come on it is only one more day.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Retention's not doing deals like they used to. I got a G2 from them for $249 with 16 months left on my contract. For the G2X they (mutiple agents) told me if I wanted to go to VZW, maybe I should. My average bill per month for the past 12 months is $350ish because of international roaming. Once the AT&T deal closes I'm going to take their advice and move back to VZW. By then, VZW will have LTE well implemented and a dual-core Android worldphone. With high-value post paid customer gone, T-Mobile can focus all thier attention on $29 per month prepaid customers which, based on CSR attitude, is what they'd prefer.
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That's the full discounted price of the phone, so sounds like a good deal they gave you, but they should never had told u to go back to VZW, they should have went thru the bill and lowered it and also gave you an unlock code for your current phone so when you roam internationally you can just grab a pre-paid sim from where ever you are for way cheaper prices.

jimbo831 said:
Awesome. This is what retention is meant for. You had a real serious legitimate issue and were considering cancelling. The people that are saying retention isn't doing what they used to are likely people that threaten to cancel whenever they want to get something. T-Mobile sees your history and how often you talk to retention or get deals from them. Eventually they will just call your bluff.
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i completely agree however im not one of those people who call and complain for every little issue. truth is ive NEVER had an issue with tmobile until this happened. 1st time ever threatening to cancel and 1st time speaking w/ retention.

sk337sk337 said:
but come on it is only one more day.
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the only reason its an issue is because i have no phone @ the moment. (see 1st post) so in the rare case that there was an emergency and I needed a phone id be screwed.If i did still have a phone i'd be annoyed but would have just took it for what it is. A retarded mixup on their part. Which is what im doing

uploder said:
i completely agree however im not one of those people who call and complain for every little issue. truth is ive NEVER had an issue with tmobile until this happened. 1st time ever threatening to cancel and 1st time speaking w/ retention.
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I definitely wasn't calling you out specifically, more just a general statement, or if anyone specifically it was Barry that said they aren't doing what they used to.
Regarding your situation, if they offered you a free month, that is usually the most retention will give as far as financial credits, and it will always require a 2 year contract from my experience (in customer care, not as a customer threatening to cancel).

You really want to go to some crap company over a couple days, when you are the one who ruined your other phone?? And if you are buying this, I am sure you can afford to spend $20 for a prepaid at walmart to give you the basic functionality that is essential. Geesh

uploder said:
it was an email with a "electronic signature" link that needed to be clicked to confirm the phone. i mean I confirmed my full social, secret code, billing AND shipping address. I dont see why this was even needed. I received no tracking info because it was never shipped.
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I was still in contract with 10 months to go for a full upgrade. When I called, I asked about the upgrade. When the CSR told me I didn't qualify for the upgrade I immediately asked how much it would be just to cancel the service. She said "$200" and my reply to her was "Thats it? I may as well just do that then." She right away offered me a full upgrade.
I too had to go along with the electronic signature but my CSR was nice enough to ask me what email to send it to and let me know when it was coming. I feel for you, man. It's a shame that most companies are straying away from quality customer service, especially with consumers that have been long term with the company. I guarantee if you were a new customer, they would have bent over backwards for you.

uploder said:
the only reason its an issue is because i have no phone @ the moment. (see 1st post) so in the rare case that there was an emergency and I needed a phone id be screwed.If i did still have a phone i'd be annoyed but would have just took it for what it is. A retarded mixup on their part. Which is what im doing
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How have you been with tmo that long and don't have a phone laying around? I have at least 3 that I could dig up and throw a sim in.
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G2X/Sensation Exchange Question?

I purchased my G2X 4/19 through the retentions department and never exchanged yet. It's been fairly good to me so far other than the internet dns issues. I have been waiting around for the updates to come but who knows when that will come. I am now experiencing random reboots and phone getting hot in my pocket for no reason. I want to call in report the issues to tmobile for an exchange but really would hate to receive a refurb device and only to receive a worse device than I have.
I know the website has been showing out of stock for the last month but does TMobile have devices readily available for exchanges or are those also out of stock? I'm trying to figure out if I could somehow use this in my favor if I can ask them if I could have a sensation instead?

I have been lied to so many times by different reps. One says they can give ne the galaxy s 4g for free (which I don't want). The other says I could pay $50 to get the sensation. I said no to that. The next Rep stated there are no offers other than exchanging for the same thing. I am on my fourth G2X and it is getting rediculous. I emailed a long letter to a bunch of the corporate execs about this unacceptable and incobsistent service. We will see what happens. Their whole thing is that the g2x msrp is $499 whereas the sensation is $549. They say the sensation is a more expensive phone and you have to pay to "upgrade", even though it is the only comparable replacement at this point.
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Cyberdan3 said:
I have been lied to so many times by different reps. One says they can give ne the galaxy s 4g for free (which I don't want). The other says I could pay $50 to get the sensation. I said no to that. The next Rep stated there are no offers other than exchanging for the same thing. I am on my fourth G2X and it is getting rediculous. I emailed a long letter to a bunch of the corporate execs about this unacceptable and incobsistent service. We will see what happens. Their whole thing is that the g2x msrp is $499 whereas the sensation is $549. They say the sensation is a more expensive phone and you have to pay to "upgrade", even though it is the only comparable replacement at this point.
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Then pay the $50 and get the Sensation. If the Sensation is $50 more then it is $50 more. If you walked into a Tmobile store right now, they wouldn't sell you a Sensation for $500.
Basically they are giving you a refund of $500 to put toward another phone. That is pretty generous.
If the OP hasn't had any problems then I'm going to assume he hasn't called in any replacements. They typically don't offer other models until they've shipped out 3 replacements (the 4th offering a different make/model). I think the OP is asking whether they still have refurbs to send out... which I think they still do. So you'd probably have to go through the whole replacement process for a while, which isn't cool just to get a different phone.
I had a replacement shipped to me once and it had horrible backlight bleeding. I called and told them it was defective and shipped it back. My original phone I bricked but revived, thankfully.
All in all, I would call and ask and see what they say. If they send you a refurb, send it back it is worse off.

The only way your going to get a even replacement is getting a rep who actually knows about phones and is willing to get a supervisor override.
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how
how do i get the supervisor override done?

randyp007 said:
how do i get the supervisor override done?
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I wouldn't even know how to go about asking for one. I was just lucky enough to find a rep that was understanding. He put me on hold, talked to a supervisor and then put me on hold again while he went to his supervisors computer to do the override.

Did you had your phone running stock all this time?
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If I got my phone off CL am I SOL when it comes to an exchange?

i am wondering as the guy above me ^_^
i love my g2x, but the sensation is quite something

Horsey said:
If I got my phone off CL am I SOL when it comes to an exchange?
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WHat is CL? If you meant off contract then no your not SOL. I got my G2X off contract as well and I am still off contract even though I got a free Sensation and keep my G2X.

Craigslist he means.
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My phone has been stock this whole time besides a few apps here and there. I was getting bad battery life at first but did a restore which seemed to fix the issue. At this point i don't think im going to call in to get a replacement i think my phone is going to br one of the more reliable ones out there until the updates. Thanks guys for the input
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if the update comes out and these problem still exists, then LG & Tmobile will really hear from the customers. They better be ready for the bad press/back lash

After being treated like crap with customer service, I wrote a well worded letter and sent it to all the big wigs at TMobile corporate figuring I would finally get the sensation for free (if they valued my service). I asked for the sensation at no charge or for them to let me out of my contract since they continue to give me a faulty phone. Cindy Maes called me today and stated that they would accept the $50 upgrade but they would do no more. She also said they would not let me out of contract. When I mentioned filing a complaint with the BBB, she said she looks into all complaints from them and that she would not be calling me back and the offer would no longer be valid!!! Now that is guts. No wonder they have been slipping in service year after year......
Should I just pay the $50 for the sensation?

Cyberdan3 said:
After being treated like crap with customer service, I wrote a well worded letter and sent it to all the big wigs at TMobile corporate figuring I would finally get the sensation for free (if they valued my service). I asked for the sensation at no charge or for them to let me out of my contract since they continue to give me a faulty phone. Cindy Maes called me today and stated that they would accept the $50 upgrade but they would do no more. She also said they would not let me out of contract. When I mentioned filing a complaint with the BBB, she said she looks into all complaints from them and that she would not be calling me back and the offer would no longer be valid!!! Now that is guts. No wonder they have been slipping in service year after year......
Should I just pay the $50 for the sensation?
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is the problem just light bleed or are you having freezing/reboot problems...just a fair warning the sensation is without it's faults also. You are most likely to get dust under the screen due to poor manufacturing. My wife has the same issue with her MT4G but it doesn't bother her like it would me. Just don't be surprised if you run into issues with the sensation.

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is the problem just light bleed or are you having freezing/reboot problems...just a fair warning the sensation is without it's faults also. You are most likely to get dust under the screen due to poor manufacturing. My wife has the same issue with her MT4G but it doesn't bother her like it would me. Just don't be surprised if you run into issues with the sensation.
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I think all these manufacturers need a lesson in QC/QA, or at least fire the staff they currently have and get a new one. It's seems commonplace that all Android devices are not created equal. I will say this much about the iPoop, that if one person has the death grip issues all 20 million of their devices do.

Cyberdan3 said:
After being treated like crap with customer service, I wrote a well worded letter and sent it to all the big wigs at TMobile corporate figuring I would finally get the sensation for free (if they valued my service). I asked for the sensation at no charge or for them to let me out of my contract since they continue to give me a faulty phone. Cindy Maes called me today and stated that they would accept the $50 upgrade but they would do no more. She also said they would not let me out of contract. When I mentioned filing a complaint with the BBB, she said she looks into all complaints from them and that she would not be calling me back and the offer would no longer be valid!!! Now that is guts. No wonder they have been slipping in service year after year......
Should I just pay the $50 for the sensation?
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Well writing a "well worded" letter to corporate doesn't guarantee you anything especially if its demanding. Getting a $500 phone for $50 is a good deal and you should have jumped on it- assuming they let you keep the g2x also.

They said I would have to send back the G2X............

At this point is so freaking hard to judge which phome to keep since both seem to have issues.
What makes me want to keep my G2x is the unlock bootloader and the Tegra 2 plus the super snappy interface.
Where I start thinking if I should get the Sensation over the G2x is that the G2x haven't been in their website for over a month and this delayed updates making LG and T-Mobile look very very unreliable.
I will be starting a business and I need a reliable phone that will be supported.
Anyway, any thoughts?
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moshe22 said:
At this point is so freaking hard to judge which phome to keep since both seem to have issues.
What makes me want to keep my G2x is the unlock bootloader and the Tegra 2 plus the super snappy interface.
Where I start thinking if I should get the Sensation over the G2x is that the G2x haven't been in their website for over a month and this delayed updates making LG and T-Mobile look very very unreliable.
I will be starting a business and I need a reliable phone that will be supported.
Anyway, any thoughts?
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Yea, here is my thought. If your starting a business then get the Sensation. It's a better business phone. Keep the G2X if you want a better play phone.

Tmobile costumer care exchange?

So my question ia that I just got this phone from tmobile customer care over the phone. I like everything on the device so far, except the speaker volume.So I want to take advantage of the twenty day guarantee. I want to try another unit. If I call them and tell them that I don't like this unit, will they send the other unit out first our do I have to send mines back first? If I have both units on hand, I can easily compare both and decide which one to keep.
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So my question ia that I just got this phone from tmobile customer care over the phone. I like everything on the device so far, except the speaker volume.So I want to take advantage of the twenty day guarantee. I want to try another unit. If I call them and tell them that I don't like this unit, will they send the other unit out first our do I have to send mines back first? If I have both units on hand, I can easily compare both and decide which one to keep.
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Not my experience. I also ordered from TMO over the phone. After 5 days my Sensation died. Took it to a store and they refused to replace it, said I had to call it in. Called and they will only replace it after receiving mine. I even have to call them again after they've received it to arrange the replacement. It's going to take over a week to get the new one.
One other thing, there seems to be a difference in how they treat new accounts and upgrades. Since mine is an upgrade this is the only option I had.
Really pisses me off. There are several ways they could handle this better. Not good service at all.

Samnada you settled for less than good treatment man.
I was on day 12 of 14 and called in about the broken power button. They told me they'd send a new one out when I called in with the tracking number for the one I'm returning. I said fine - will they overnight it? They said they dont do that. I told them they overnighted the first one (2 day ground in a one day zone but their words). I told them I need a phone and I would be cancelling service if that's how it would work. She got with a supervisor and agreed to ship me one and that i'd return the other when I got the replacement or Id eat the cost of the second. She made sure to mention this was a special allowance for me and not general procedure.
2nd phone has a blue dot under the gorilla glass. Called in to see if I could ship both phones together back to Tmo. Thinking about cancelling service too. Not interested in doing this **** over and over. Guy was cool said I should have had return shipping slips in both boxes (I didnt) and that they'd reimburse me if I take my shipping receipt to a store. Also asked me to take the phone to a store to have them see in person whats wrong with it and note my account. Then he said theyd do the same ship and return after receipt of new phone w/ shipping reimbursement to my account via credit.
YMMV from rep to rep man - you may have to call back a few times to get satisfaction. I was surprised the woman I spoke to Wednesday helped me so much. Very cool. Guy I spoke with today was a Sensation owner and very cool too.

GorillaPimp said:
Samnada you settled for less than good treatment man.
I was on day 12 of 14 and called in about the broken power button. They told me they'd send a new one out when I called in with the tracking number for the one I'm returning. I said fine - will they overnight it? They said they dont do that. I told them they overnighted the first one (2 day ground in a one day zone but their words). I told them I need a phone and I would be cancelling service if that's how it would work. She got with a supervisor and agreed to ship me one and that i'd return the other when I got the replacement or Id eat the cost of the second. She made sure to mention this was a special allowance for me and not general procedure.
2nd phone has a blue dot under the gorilla glass. Called in to see if I could ship both phones together back to Tmo. Thinking about cancelling service too. Not interested in doing this **** over and over. Guy was cool said I should have had return shipping slips in both boxes (I didnt) and that they'd reimburse me if I take my shipping receipt to a store. Also asked me to take the phone to a store to have them see in person whats wrong with it and note my account. Then he said theyd do the same ship and return after receipt of new phone w/ shipping reimbursement to my account via credit.
YMMV from rep to rep man - you may have to call back a few times to get satisfaction. I was surprised the woman I spoke to Wednesday helped me so much. Very cool. Guy I spoke with today was a Sensation owner and very cool too.
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I did take it to a store when it first died to try a different battery in case that was the problem. They confirmed the phone was indeed dead, and noted that in my account. But he wouldn't swap for a new one unless I had purchased it at the store.
I was on the phone for nearly 2 hours, switched to 3 different people, and the best I could get was a $10 credit on the shipping to them. They'll overnight the new one , but not until they receive mine and I call them back to undo/redo my upgrade deal. I could get a loaner phone in the meantime, but it would have just been some cheapo deal which didn't interest me since I have my Vibrant.
Part of what bothers me about TMO is this horsetrading aspect where some people get great deals and others get zip, apparently depending on a roll of the dice and who you happen to get on the phone. Some CSR's are great and others sound like they're robotically reading from a script.
They're standard policy sucks. They need to change it. I shouldn't have to beg and plead and threaten to be treated like I'm a paying customer.
They could have overnighted the new phone to the store, have me turn in my dead one there, and verified the problem and the return. Done deal, and they would be out nothing more than they will now. They could also do just what you said, ship me one overnight and if I didn't return the bad one charge me full retail for both. Fine. But their standard policy seems designed to maximize frustration.
I'm considering all my options, but have to have an international phone, so that narrows the choices of carriers, and from what I've heard ATT is even worse.
If TMO has the best customer service it's no wonder cell phones are the source of the most consumer complaints.

I'm not sure if things have changed in the last 5-6 months but when me and my wife had multiple problems with our MT4G's I never had to send mine in first. As a matter of fact I had 6 out of 7 sent overnight free of charge. But on all of them I was told I had seven days to return them after I received the new one.
Maybe times have changed. I might be doing a exchange as well in the near future and I will see.

i actually am getting a replacement for mine on tuesday , i called it in today after all hell broke loose on my phone today ,they are sending me another unit and im sending them back mine , actually they gave me the option

tigerz0202 said:
i actually am getting a replacement for mine on tuesday , i called it in today after all hell broke loose on my phone today ,they are sending me another unit and im sending them back mine , actually they gave me the option
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Are you in the 14-day remorse period? They kept telling me it was because I'm doing an upgrade and I have to cancel/redo the deal to restart the 14-days on the new phone. I don't understand how people are reporting they've swapped Sensations 3 or 4 times. How is that being done? Am I the only one who's being treated this way?
The more I hear the more mad I get.

samnada said:
Are you in the 14-day remorse period? They kept telling me it was because I'm doing an upgrade and I have to cancel/redo the deal to restart the 14-days on the new phone. I don't understand how people are reporting they've swapped Sensations 3 or 4 times. How is that being done? Am I the only one who's being treated this way?
The more I hear the more mad I get.
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monday makes 14 days ,i dont know if that makes a difference , they guy asked me if i wanted to wait for an update from htc and i told him no , i also called htc and they couldnt do anything because of the holiday , you shouyld be good to go being that the phone is still under warranty

tigerz0202 said:
monday makes 14 days ,i dont know if that makes a difference , they guy asked me if i wanted to wait for an update from htc and i told him no , i also called htc and they couldnt do anything because of the holiday , you shouyld be good to go being that the phone is still under warranty
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I'm good as far as it being replaced, it's just the process they're requiring of having to receive my phone before they ship me a new one that's absurd. Due to the holiday it's going to be next Friday at the earliest before I get a phone.
I'll start calling tomorrow to see if they can persuade me to stay a TMO customer.

Totally understand your gripes and they're legitimate. You shouldn't have to roll the dice for options that others get. I feel you on GSM too. I really don't want to go to ATT because I'd have to get an iPhone. I'm tired of reconfiguring phones already. If the next one is trash too I'm going back to my N1 and old contract. Wifi calling is sweet but not happy with the poor quality control.

By way of comparison, we went through a sordid version of this when the N1's rolled out, too. TMO didn't wanna touch'em, Google (who sold and shipped them out overnight) had no live support, and we had to rely on HTC. At the time, HTC's policy was (maybe still is?) only DOA phones would get immediate replacement at no additional charge. Any phone that worked, THEN failed was an 'in-warranty' replacement, and the only way to expedite it was to allow your credit card to be fully charged (although some report a $1 hold rather than a full charge) and THEN they would cross-ship. Otherwise, you had to ship the old unit BEFORE the new one shipped, and we had reports a call with a tracking number (as mentioned above) would also expedite a replacement shipment. I know waiting sucks, but unless it was bought IN a physical store, with their own return/replacement policies, 'it is what it is'. :|

Thanks for the input guys. I'll be calling them soon. They told me that I have a 20 day remorse period for some reason. Also, to the person having the issue of not bring able to return the phone to the store , It's not gonna happen. The rep told me straight up that the phone people and the store people are not together.
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Another question: if they send me the other phone also, and I have a chance to compare both, would I be able to send the second unit back incase my first original unit is better? Or do I have to keep the second one?
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um when i first got my htc sensation the power button was slanted and the screen was messed up and weird looking aou screen i called that same day to get a replacement got it in 2 days. I told the rep i have the tracking number in my hand which i did =] just went to ups.com got a tracking number and shipped it out tm while my replacement phone was coming. The downside is you will be charged twice =/ the first phone will be on your cc already then they will charge you again for the 2nd one.. thing sucks to wait 4 weeks for it to clear just remember when u drop off the package to ask for the receipt. Maybe i was just lucky huh?

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Not my experience. I also ordered from TMO over the phone. After 5 days my Sensation died. Took it to a store and they refused to replace it, said I had to call it in. Called and they will only replace it after receiving mine. I even have to call them again after they've received it to arrange the replacement. It's going to take over a week to get the new one.
One other thing, there seems to be a difference in how they treat new accounts and upgrades. Since mine is an upgrade this is the only option I had.
Really pisses me off. There are several ways they could handle this better. Not good service at all.
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This is because they are redoing your upgrade. Tell them you don't want to redo the upgrade, you just want a replacement.
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Towle said:
This is because they are redoing your upgrade. Tell them you don't want to redo the upgrade, you just want a replacement.
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They didn't give me a choice. They said this is how it's going to work. Send us your dead phone, once we get it give us a call and we'll redo your upgrade and send you a new phone. They said it was because I got the upgrade through Customer Retention. It's like dealing with the government.
I offered to let them take my CC # and bill me if I didn't return the phone if they would ship the new one right away and they refused.
Not sure how they decide who to punish. My credit rating is perfect. I've never given them a minutes problem in the past. Just seems totally arbitrary.
I called them with the UPS tracking # in order to get the $10 shipping credit, so they have that. They're going to ship me a new phone, so what's it to them if it's today or next Thursday? I just don't get it.

I'm 23, have terrible credit and constantly call in and complain. I've been a customer since I was 18 and in the way that matters, paying my bill, I've always been a good customer. TMobile has always shipped my replacements out first and then I mail mine back to them in the box they ship the replacement in to me.
One time, they shipped be a broken MT3GS as a replacement so I called in and yelled at them so they sent me a second replacement MT3GS so I had three phones, 2 of which belonged to TMobile, out at the same time. I complained about them shipping me a broken phone, the amount of problems on my phone, they tried to give me a motorola cliq2, I told them they were crazy and I got a 350 dollar discount and upgraded to the sensation on Launch Day. Great timing!

Just got off the phone with a much more helpful TMO CSR. Order for replacement phone has been placed, due to the holiday it will ship overnight on Tue, arrive here Wed. Wish I'd gotten her the first time.
Thanks for the encouragement to keep after them.

So any opinions on whether I would have to return my first unit after receiving the second one or just return the second one incase the first unit is better than the replacement unit?
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mike2518 said:
So any opinions on whether I would have to return my first unit after receiving the second one or just return the second one incase the first unit is better than the replacement unit?
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If it is a warranty exchange you can send either back.
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My thunderbolt experience

April 28th I used my upgrade for this phone. It was great up until that first "update", then it was 5-10 reboots daily.
Since then I'm on my 3rd thunderbolt. I've had a store rep lie to me saying I needed to go back to the place I bought it at to get a replacement phone, same rep voided the warranty after they transfered service back to my D1. Then Verizon tried to charge me the $570 fee for not sending back my 2nd thunderbolt.
After all this hassle & frustration the local manager gives me a free extended battery. Almost worth the $310 to buy out my contract if this is what the future looks like.

JillyBohnson said:
April 28th I used my upgrade for this phone. It was great up until that first "update", then it was 5-10 reboots daily.
Since then I'm on my 3rd thunderbolt. I've had a store rep lie to me saying I needed to go back to the place I bought it at to get a replacement phone, same rep voided the warranty after they transfered service back to my D1. Then Verizon tried to charge me the $570 fee for not sending back my 2nd thunderbolt.
After all this hassle & frustration the local manager gives me a free extended battery. Almost worth the $310 to buy out my contract if this is what the future looks like.
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Did you buy your phone from an authorized retailer or a Verizon company store? Lots of times, authorized retailers are only worried about a sale and not customer service.
I've also heard great things about Best Buy Mobile.
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I'm on my launch day TB, Never had a reboot, shut down, or problem rooting, flashing any rom, theme, font or sim failure. I am however in a Non 4g area.
Knock on wood.

crap
My wife and I both had our phones replaced. Mine is not as bad as hers but she can't hit the home button with out the phone freezing or loosing the touch functionality. Anyone know if its possible to swap for a different phone?

tekkski said:
My wife and I both had our phones replaced. Mine is not as bad as hers but she can't hit the home button with out the phone freezing or loosing the touch functionality. Anyone know if its possible to swap for a different phone?
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Call *611
If its a manufacturing defect then its covered. If you dropped it then I hope you have insurance.
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CanesDrew said:
Did you buy your phone from an authorized retailer or a Verizon company store? Lots of times, authorized retailers are only worried about a sale and not customer service.
I've also heard great things about Best Buy Mobile.
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I did buy it from a authorized retailer. Thing that frustrates me to no end is the customer service or better yet the lack of it. To have a rep knowingly activate my old phone thus voiding my warranty is beyond inexcusable.
Then the whole trying to charge me $570 for a device that I did send back, its almost like they want me to cancel my contract. I mean do I have to take a manager with me to fed ex to ship my old broken phone so they don't make the same mistake?
Maybe its too much to ask for that I get a working phone that I paid good money for & god forbid anything happens to it that they will try to help. Sorry that my phone broke & you have to spend 5 min helping me order a refurb. Perhaps if I tipped the rep then maybe they could help me even though its not a sale.

I had a crapload of problems after the MR1 OTA, including random reboots, overheating, crappy GPS, you name it. Instead of trying for a replacement, I re-flashed the full MR1 zip from my SD card, and all of my problems went away even when using MR1. MR2 made everything even better, although I'm no longer running a stock install.
My question is, have you guys tried re-flashing with the full RUU? It seems like a lot of the problems could be the result of a bad flash/faulty upgrade.

Great news! Now this phone is starting to reboot. Maybe its just time to root so my $300 phone will work

TMO denied me an exchange, blames LG completely

I know it's a dead horse. And some people get have different results. But yesterday I tried to exchange my G2X due to freezing, reboots, and lock ups while on wall charger (running official GB). (This is still my first G2X, my past exchange attempt was to get less screen bleed which failed.)
This time the agent told me they are aware of issues post update install and can do nothing. Then they told me I have to wait until LG has a fix. This is the same results I got when I complained of screen bleed and was denied a replacement due to that.
I usually don't get too excited, but based on principal this is beat. I know it's nothing new to some of you but I'm not sure where to go next. I really want to see if LG will ever own up to this and anything else, but I'm sure my issues are hardware based.
T-Mobile: There is a known issue with this phone after the 2.3 update. At this time, there is no further information I need.
T-Mobile: LG is aware of this issue and are working closely to resolve the issue.
Francis Scardino: ok.
T-Mobile: I am unable to process an exchange for you.
T-Mobile: I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
Francis Scardino: So what do I do?
T-Mobile: You would have to wait until LG comes to a resolution for this issue.
Francis Scardino: I was told that last time about the light bleeding through the screen issues. The phone is not really reliable right now and I need it for work and do not have a home phone. There must be another resolution.
T-Mobile: I definitely understand, Francis. However, this phone does have a few known issues. This is the only thing that we can advise you of.
Francis Scardino: That's quite disappointing. I understand you can only do what you are allowed to do, but I have to find some other resolution. I cannot afford for my phone to turn off while charging at night, my job requires 24 hour on call.
Francis Scardino: Is there an escalation contact I can call. I have to come up with something other than buying a new phone. This one is not very old.
Francis Scardino: I just changed my contract to 2 years, and there is no equipment discount. I'm stuck.
T-Mobile: Unfortunately, there is no escalation process for this issue.
T-Mobile: We can set up call forwarding so that whoever calls your cell phone it will go to another phone.

Try to actually go into a T-Mobile store and make a big deal there
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I hate to say it, laissez-faire kinda guy that I am, but we need some kind of consumer protection legislation to prevent this kind of passing the buck.

Get on the phone and call a live person - ask for tech support, not a customer rep.

Sorry to hear that. I am currently on my second (freezing 3x a day) phone and I was offered another G2X exchange but I refused it. I told them they were just passing around refurb junk sent in by other G2X owners. To my surprise, I was offered a full upgrade (Got Tmobile in April 2011 with 2 year contract). It was a customer service rep that actually gave me that. I thought it was bs so I called back a week later to verify that the early full upgrade was noted in my account and it is. I would only be able to get a phone at the Tmobile website or at a corporate store. They said it would be 80% off the retail price. I am waiting for the Samsung Hercules to use that early full upgrade. I'm pretty sure they log every time you called in with notes of the reason of the call. I called in about 5 times (at least) so I think that's why I was offered the early upgrade. I would try calling in again at a different time. Try early morning around 7AM and then 8PM. That way you wont get the same person. You will get different results with different people you speak with. Call them again and good luck.

I was able to get another replacement overnighted to me yesterday... It should be here today. I did it all through the Live Chat online. I told them my phone would shutoff by itself, and it would require a battery pull, and he issued a replacement for me.
If I were you, I would just keep on trying until they offered to send you a replacement. It's worth multiple tries.

Spyvie said:
I hate to say it, laissez-faire kinda guy that I am, but we need some kind of consumer protection legislation to prevent this kind of passing the buck.
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And you care about concealing water damage for the purpose of returning it to these thieves? T-Mobile knows for a damn fact there is good G2X's out there. They just don't want to give this gug another one in fear he might get another damaged G2X since it appears to be a 75% chance he would. Exchanging phones cost them money but they could give a **** less that we spent our hard earned money for a phone that we sometimes can't even use.
We signed a contract with T-Mobile and they entered into a contract with us to provide use with products and service as advertised. You see. I believe in a eye for a eye and two wrongs do make a right. You **** me over and I will **** you over twice as bad
Tmobile customer service is going to ****. Hear you have someone who's phone is not working as expected but they don't want to exchange it because it costs them money. T-Mobile knows there are good G2X'w out there. If all of them had problems then every customer who has one would be calling. I don't even care about the merger anymore. Its apparent T-Mobile is prepping for it quite well.
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I will certainly try again. I just can't wonder if this whole debacle will ever bring a full resolution. Is LG working on something? Are they just buying time to phase it out? What will those who have similar results like me have in the future? Will a fully fixed G2x ever hit the shelves..?
Anyone who got a replacement within the last week, what model number phone did you get?

jrwingate6 said:
And you care about concealing water damage for the purpose of returning it to these thieves? T-Mobile knows for a damn fact there is good G2X's out there. They just don't want to give this gug another one in fear he might get another damaged G2X since it appears to be a 75% chance he would. Exchanging phones cost them money but they could give a **** less that we spent our hard earned money for a phone that we sometimes can't even use.
We signed a contract with T-Mobile and they entered into a contract with us to provide use with products and service as advertised. You see. I believe in a eye for a eye and two wrongs do make a right. You **** me over and I will **** you over twice as bad
Tmobile customer service is going to ****. Hear you have someone who's phone is not working as expected but they don't want to exchange it because it costs them money. T-Mobile knows there are good G2X'w out there. If all of them had problems then every customer who has one would be calling. I don't even care about the merger anymore. Its apparent T-Mobile is prepping for it quite well.
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T-Mo doesn't want o give him another phone because they will have to pay for it out of their own pocket. LG will not give you a new phone because they are incompetent manufacturers, along with being liars and thieves, ...while T-Mo simply can't afford to give away phones that they have to pay for.

Spyvie said:
T-Mo doesn't want o give him another phone because they will have to pay for it out of their own pocket. LG will not give you a new phone because they are incompetent manufacturers, along with being liars and thieves, ...while T-Mo simply can't afford to give away phones that they have to pay for.
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T-Mobile can afford it. Their a multi billion dollar company. They sold you a phone to use on their network and it is up to them to make sure it works as advertised for 1 year from purchase. After this ends, T-Mobile can try to recupe their losses from LG but its known policy, their responsible for making sure that phone works within the first year providing the damage was not done by the customer. There is no ifs ands or butts about it. It is what it is and their beating around the bush. Do you think the middle class wooing man has enough money to keep buying phones because its provider wont provide him with a working one? This is bad business and you know it. I don't care if returning G2X's placed them into bankruptcy. The customer is always right and they must fix it.
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it is up to them to make sure it works as advertised for 1 year from purchase.
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Incorrect.
The manufacturer is responsible for the warranty in virtually every industry.

Yeah I had no luck with chat support I had to call in when the replacement was bad.

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Incorrect.
The manufacturer is responsible for the warranty in virtually every industry.
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Yes, the manufacture is ultimately responsible for the warranty but it is up to your providor to be the middle man and exchange the phone for you. They then send the defective phone back to the manufacture to be fixed, replaced or reimbursed.
It is up to the company you purchased the phone from to replace the phone. I didn't buy a phone from LG. I gave my money to T-Mobile who purchased the phone from LG. If I purchase the phone through Amazon then I would contact them for a replacement. If I buy a phone from a middle man than I expect that middle man to fulfill their end of the deal by making sure the device they sold me is not defective and can be used as advertised.
Its a very simple concept for anyone to understand. I know this to be the case since T-Mobile, the middle man exchanges multiple phones every single day.
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If you purchase a product from Best Buy or Walmart, and that product fails after the retailer's return policy has expired you are almost certainly responsible for contacting the manufacturer yourself. Most retailers have 30 day or even 14 day return policies depending on the product.
Arguing with you is like shooting fish in a barrel... you haven't made a valid point yet!

This whole G2X thing is garbage anyways.
Three months ago, I called into T-Mobile and did a contract renewal. I ordered 4 G2X's and 1 Defy for my 11 year old daughter...never would I have thought the Defy would be the best device in the bunch. It just works.
I called in within the first week about the phones shutting off, GPS taking over 25 minutes on 1 device to get a lock and was assured its all software and that LG is getting ready to release a software upgrade that will fix the issues, I should have sent them back and been done at that point instead of trusting what T-Mobile told me. Instead I had 4 replacements sent at one time, sent 3 of them back as they were worse than the originals. T-Mobile then sent me 3 more, fail. When I called back I asked to just send them back and was told i was past my 14 day period, even though it was noted on my account that I had called in previously in regards to sending them back and was told about the software update...that didnt change anything.
Next they decided the batteries were bad so they sent me 4 batteries, well that didnt solve a damn thing. They had me at that point contact LG, that got me a big "your a consumer, we cant offer any details on an updated software, but if you like you can send your phones back to us and we will send you replacements or fix the ones you have". Basically no go with that either.
Back to calling T-Mobile as I noticed now I had $100.00 charge on my bill for them sending me replacement phones!! The lines with insurance were only charged 5 bucks, the other 2 were charged $20!! They were unwilling to waive the fee's when I called about them! However they offered me replacement phones again if I wanted, and naturally at $50 bucks shipping again, I said no I wont pay for shipping again and finally got to loyalty and they waived the shipping if I wanted to try again, which knowing it wouldnt help did anyways just for the chance..I was right, it didnt help.
Then finally the wonderful, magical, all ending software update came...ta-da! Finally! Nope, wait. Still have the same issues, just not nearly as often as before. It seems to be about once a day now that one of the phones will shut off randomly, The GPS is a bit better on 3 of the phones but mine, nope. Still takes a good 10 minutes to get a lock.
When I called T-Mobile to tell them this great "fix" they were promising me didnt do a damn thing they said they know, and that the software update had been recalled but LG is currently working on a fix and to just give it time, they would not offer me anymore replacements as it doesnt seem to fix "MY" issues..lol, wtf T-Mobile. Kiss my ass.
I ended up filling a complaint with the BBB, I dont know if it will help or do anything at all but honestly, way I see it is it cant hurt. That was Sunday evening, I dont know how long it takes to hear anything back, or if I will at all but we will see.
T-Mobile use to be awesome, I am an old SunCom customer and when T-Mobile took over SunCom I was leery of what may become of the company I loved, T-Mobile really stepped it up and I had no complaints, recently though they pretty much just suck. I dont know what provider I will go with next but it wont be T-Mobile, yet I hate Verizon, Sprints horrible, AT&T with the merger..maybe I dont need phones anymore lol ffs.

techboydino said:
I will certainly try again. I just can't wonder if this whole debacle will ever bring a full resolution. Is LG working on something? Are they just buying time to phase it out? What will those who have similar results like me have in the future? Will a fully fixed G2x ever hit the shelves..?
Anyone who got a replacement within the last week, what model number phone did you get?
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My replacement just came in about an hour ago with Gingerbread pre-installed. The model number is LG-P999DW. (Checked LG Updated), so it is NOT a refurb!

Dude this is EXACTLY what's happened to me. I've had 4 exchanges and the caller rep said very matter of factly 'Sorry, we can no longer offer you a G2x exchange. Either keep the G2x you have or we'll send you out a comparable phone, the G2.' I got into explaining how that decision doesn't make any sense since I'm holding up my end of the deal by paying my bill...blah, blah, blah. And he said 'The device I'm told I can offer you today is the G2.' By some of the responses, I guess I'll just keep calling in until someone breaks down. I would LOVE to get $$ toward a Hercules, but it sounds like that's the good fortune of who you talk to.

Dude this is EXACTLY what's happened to me. I've had 4 exchanges and the caller rep said very matter of factly 'Sorry, we can no longer offer you a G2x exchange. Either keep the G2x you have or we'll send you out a comparable phone, the G2.' I got into explaining how that decision doesn't make any sense since I'm holding up my end of the deal by paying my bill...blah, blah, blah. And he said 'The device I'm told I can offer you today is the G2.' By some of the responses, I guess I'll just keep calling in until someone breaks down. I would LOVE to get $$ toward a Hercules, but it sounds like that's the good fortune of who you talk to.

Spyvie said:
If you purchase a product from Best Buy or Walmart, and that product fails after the retailer's return policy has expired you are almost certainly responsible for contacting the manufacturer yourself. Most retailers have 30 day or even 14 day return policies depending on the product.
Arguing with you is like shooting fish in a barrel... you haven't made a valid point yet!
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Best Buy and Wal-Mart provide you merchandice but not a service. You don't pay them a monthly fee to lease a product from them. If you sign a contract and purchase a phone for the subsidized price, you are pretty much leasing the phone.
T-Mobile has been exchanging devices with the first year since I can remember. Hell, they exchanged 5 G2X's for me and 3 Sensations within the past 4 months. You can provide a service for one of your customers and not the next. An attorney would eat this alive in a court of law. By their POLICY they need to provide you with a working replacement or exchange your device for another comparable one of equal or lesser value. They CANT just tell you to suck it up and keep paying them monthly for something that doesn't work.
I don't understand why you can't comprehend this. Instead you want to compare Best Buy to a mobile service providor which is apples and oranges. Last time I checked. You don't enter into a contract or pay a monthly fee for a service to Best Buy.
Get off Tmobiles nuts and realize your wrong.
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Very interesting discussion...
I can tell you in no uncertain terms that ultimately LG is responsible for the product. The argument that you "Bought" the phone from T-Mobile, or you "leased" the product from T-Mobile is invalid. Your warranty is with LG.
We were all allowed 14 or 30 days to return the phone. Of course most of us held out for the "update/fix" until it was too late to return.
THIS is why I worked to find another remedy to the situation and ultimately had the class action law suit filed.
For any of you wanting further information about the CAL, contact my attorney directly.
http://www.doylelowther.com/class-action-against-lg-electronics-p999g2x/