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Tha Boss Rom (Epic Edition) V.1 [Updated: 9/14]

Hello Epic users, Rmjr, Fixter, and I have made the rom flashable but it seems like we are just missing one piece to the puzzle when it is flashing. The rom is on its way and will be here sooner than later. Thank you for all your support.
Here is the change log for V.1 of this rom.
Update-
9/8- Ok the rom is done but the team and i are working on a way to flash it without bricking it. This is a long journey we are on but i promise that when the release comes you will not be disappointed. Also, late last night i found a mode that will give this phone some crazy battery life. Thank you for all your patience, you guys are awesome : )
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9/11- Well guys the rom is done but flashing it is still major problem. I am currently working on a way to flash. Since this phone does not have a custom recovery I am kinda just experimenting with different ways. To all the people who are doubting this rom and are trolling on this thread, go make your own rom... if you can.About the donations I dont care about it, I just thought if you all would like the rom to be better and produce faster turn outs. To all my beta testers, when the first time i get it to flash and it doesnt mess up your phone you guys will get it ASAP. Thanks for all the support through this.
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9/14 - Now that a working recovery has been released I am now working non stop on this whenever i have free time (I have college and work to go around also). Patience is the key here, the people who donated should be getting there beta copy by Saturday night if all goes well. Remember I do not have a Epic so i have to have my team help me flash this so this is a very long process to make sure i dont send out a rom that will brick every phone. I would also like to thank the people who have been commenting on the thread i read each one and listen to all of you. Thanks for all your support.
V.1
Removed bloatware (The Sprint crap)
Removed Touchwiz
Set the cpu scale ( The phone is more snappier) *Thanks to Bugless Pete
Added Astro file manager
Wired tether
Wireless tether
Enabled Laptop mode (Crazy battery saver)
More to come in V.2
Deodex
Zipalign
Ad Block
I will upload a file that as all the apks that i removed for those you like those apps can still install them using Astro.
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Coming Soon
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Wooo im jumping from the Evo to the Epic. hope we get the same support

WOOT! i have to decide between the evo and epic 4g, im returning my captivate and going to sprint! any suggestions?

glendawg619 said:
WOOT! i have to decide between the evo and epic 4g, im returning my captivate and going to sprint! any suggestions?
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The way I see it, i think the epic is a better in terms of gaming and video playback but Evo will always have better support from the community.

saywhat4118 said:
The way I see it, i think the epic is a better in terms of gaming and video playback but Evo will always have better support from the community.
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well we have the whole galaxy s team behind us though, so i think it should even out after the fascinate comes out and more galazy s phones are sold

This phone is the first one to match or exceed all my requirements for me to spend $500 on a phone again. It's gotta have 1+GHz, good GPU with sufficient drivers, 512MB+ RAM, SDHC (XC wouldn't hurt), 480 x 800 or better, smaller than 4.3", a hard keyboard, and a headphone jack. I've had 4 $500 HTC devices (no contract ftw) without a headphone jack and it's about damn time.

glendawg619 said:
well we have the whole galaxy s team behind us though, so i think it should even out after the fascinate comes out and more galazy s phones are sold
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while thats true but i feel like it'll be all scattered instead of it being unified like the evo section. or any of the other phones ive rooted and flashed roms regularly, like the G1 and myTouch. this will be my first android phone thats not made by HTC. but damn i love that processor on the Epic!

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while thats true but i feel like it'll be all scattered instead of it being unified like the evo section. or any of the other phones ive rooted and flashed roms regularly, like the G1 and myTouch. this will be my first android phone thats not made by HTC. but damn i love that processor on the Epic!
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It's a combination of the processor and the keyboard that pushed me towards the Galaxy S. For the most part, I prefer the Evo's look and feel, but I hate onscreen controls with emulators. The S Pro has both power and controls. Look at how silky smooth this video is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl5PBXZXuSA

Who ever chooses a crippled qsd825X device over a samsung intrinsity S5PC110, its just insane, people that havent had the chance to hold a galaxy S device in there hands, have no clue of what there missing, these devices are just blazingly and retardedly fast, its just the device that everyone from each of the major carriers should own, i wish i could marry my captivate cause i ****ing love it, just the same way you all love your epic 4g's =D

rafyvitto said:
Who ever chooses a crippled qsd825X device over a samsung intrinsity S5PC110, its just insane, people that havent had the chance to hold a galaxy S device in there hands, have no clue of what there missing, these devices are just blazingly and retardedly fast, its just the device that everyone from each of the major carriers should own, i wish i could marry my captivate cause i ****ing love it, just the same way you all love your epic 4g's =D
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i know man cant wait!! just placed a preorder today at my job

whole family is locked to att, so can't switch to sprint anytime soon, for cheaper and better plans ;*(.
My samsung captivate is working fine though
We just need Fascinate and Epic to be released worldwide, for a super dev team that helps each other out

Bowsa2511 said:
whole family is locked to att, so can't switch to sprint anytime soon, for cheaper and better plans ;*(.
My samsung captivate is working fine though
We just need Fascinate and Epic to be released worldwide, for a super dev team that helps each other out
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Yeah, the community is going to be huge. There are galaxy s devices across the world. I'm so excited!

Any details on what is coming out on the "Tha Boss Rom" verison 1.x"? It's exciting to hear that a custom rom is coming out, but it's can you give a dog a bone and hook us up with some details........... Overclocking? Better Keyboard? Will it have an app that will build me and island and then transform into a jet and fly me there???

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well we have the whole galaxy s team behind us though, so i think it should even out after the fascinate comes out and more galazy s phones are sold
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Not to mention this phone is a world phone with it being launched in 110 carriers world wide. Its perhaps the largest distribution of a smartphone in any market, larger than Apple's iPhone.
Just think of all those developers jumping on the bandwagon be it CDMA or GSM.
A 7" and 10" tablet will be spun off the Galaxy S line up. Can you just IMAGINE?!
This is a monumental push by Samsung to overtake Nokia and Apple to be #1 in the smartphone market.

ConceptVBS said:
Not to mention this phone is a world phone with it being launched in 110 carriers world wide. Its perhaps the largest distribution of a smartphone in any market, larger than Apple's iPhone.
Just think of all those developers jumping on the bandwagon be it CDMA or GSM.
A 7" and 10" tablet will be spun off the Galaxy S line up. Can you just IMAGINE?!
This is a monumental push by Samsung to overtake Nokia and Apple to be #1 in the smartphone market.
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I agree. what we need is gather all the galaxy s developers in one roof (forum) with all the devs working together, it would be crazy and developments would be so fast.
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Will this rom perhaps have the missing feutures that the other galaxy s phones have (ex: Customizable icons/pages/tv out etc.)?

davidrules7778 said:
Will this rom perhaps have the missing feutures that the other galaxy s phones have (ex: Customizable icons/pages/tv out etc.)?
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i second that, plus I'm assuming it will have wimax to?

I work at radioshack and our sprint rep just came by with an epic and man it is nice. Feels great in hand and the spring action of the keyboard is really strong and isn't flimsy at all. I compared it with my evo as quickly as I could like running the network speed test, which the epic won in for tests in the same area. Also noticed there was a new update sprint was pushing out. hopefully its touchwiz 3.0 but doubt it. The phones auto brightness wasn't working too well, the brightness level seems to dimmed down all the way after I turn the screen off and I had to manually turn it back on high through settings. Besides that, everything else was buttery smooth and I can't wait toll I have my own epic.
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Any chance it will come with WiFiTether?

EpicFan said:
Any chance it will come with WiFiTether?
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Yes it will. I already have most of it done : ) I will not have a epic for a long time so I need yall to give good feedback
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Will the dev community pick up?

Just curious if anyone remembers the N1's dev community at this stage. Was it about the same as the NS is now? It seems a little slow, but I completely understand the thing just came out - just didn't know relatively speaking how fast or slow it's coming along.
It's a very important factor in my buying/keeping a phone.

It's actually moving quite fast considering the phone hasn't even been out a month yet. Morfic from Team Whiskey already provided us with a fully funtional 1.3 OC kernel. It took months to get a semi-stable one for the Vibrant.

Cool. I've never bought a phone this early in its cycle, so I was unsure. I left the EVO which had ROMs etc. out the wazoo. I expected there not to be a whole lot available so early, just didn't know if relatively what's available is a lot or a little.

While the quantity of roms may not be as vast as of yet I can assure you the quality is there. You will not regret making this purchase and I'm sure given a little more time the NS will shock us all with it's hidden time machine app that we haven't unlocked yet.

i'd not comment on quality so early.
Like common... it's been only 3 WEEKS since the release date.
I think we are doing pretty darn good already, way ahead of expectations.
in contrast the SGS I9000 took like 2 to 3 months to pick up speeed in the DEV world
now after 4 months they finally have quality ROMS compared to 2 months back

AllGamer said:
i'd not comment on quality so early.
Like common... it's been only 3 WEEKS since the release date.
I think we are doing pretty darn good already, way ahead of expectations.
in contrast the SGS I9000 took like 2 to 3 months to pick up speeed in the DEV world
now after 4 months they finally have quality ROMS compared to 2 months back
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I think the similarity and comparisons to the SGS line are what worry me a bit. It's usually HTC that gets all the dev love, and the SGS series (IMO) had some pretty lacking dev support.
I pray that the NS continues to get more support than the SGS.

fchipm said:
I think the similarity and comparisons to the SGS line are what worry me a bit. It's usually HTC that gets all the dev love, and the SGS series (IMO) had some pretty lacking dev support.
I pray that the NS continues to get more support than the SGS.
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I disagree about the "SGS series...had some pretty lacking dev support."
You've got to be more specific about which SGS. The i9000 crowd is very active with lots of custom roms, tweaks, kernels, recoveries, etc. The T-Mo Vibrant doesn't have nearly as much, but there's still a few options (TW, Eugene and a few others). The Captivate I know has some custom kernels, but the Fascinate seems to have almost nothing. Lack of dev support kept me from getting a Fascinate, despite desperately wanting to switch to Verizon for service.
Maybe Cyanogen and crew never gave any of these real love, but it's a disservice to some really great devs like Paul O'Brien (Modaco), DocRambone, SuperCurio, Morfic, etc to say that the entire SGS line didn't get support.
Supercurio and Paul O'Brien changed the i9000 from the best hadware on the market with the worst OS/FS to the best of both.

I just did some calculations:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10377107&postcount=566
It sums up to some 268000 units. In 3 weeks. Just in US of A and UK.
Either I grossly miscalculated somewhere or it is just "wow".

fchipm said:
Just curious if anyone remembers the N1's dev community at this stage. Was it about the same as the NS is now? It seems a little slow, but I completely understand the thing just came out - just didn't know relatively speaking how fast or slow it's coming along.
It's a very important factor in my buying/keeping a phone.
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LOL @ Everyone asking about dev support.
The phone hasn't even been out a month yet! On the Nexus One, the developer community wasn't anything but maybe one or two ROMs that were optimized Eclair plus CM5 and then a handful of kernels all doing essentially the same thing.
We also need to consider the fact that when the Nexus One launched, there was nothing like it on the market at that time. Not the case with the Nexus S. This time around, there are a lot of great phones to choose from.
I hope folks realize that one of the reasons we aren't seeing a lot of action on the development front is because everything pre-Gingerbread is considered a downgrade. Once Samsung, HTC, or Motorola update their devices to 2.3, then we'll start seeing more ROMs. Ohwaitnvm on Samsung.

unremarked said:
LOL @ Everyone asking about dev support.
The phone hasn't even been out a month yet! On the Nexus One, the developer community wasn't anything but maybe one or two ROMs that were optimized Eclair plus CM5 and then a handful of kernels all doing essentially the same thing.
We also need to consider the fact that when the Nexus One launched, there was nothing like it on the market at that time. Not the case with the Nexus S. This time around, there are a lot of great phones to choose from.
I hope folks realize that one of the reasons we aren't seeing a lot of action on the development front is because everything pre-Gingerbread is considered a downgrade. Once Samsung, HTC, or Motorola update their devices to 2.3, then we'll start seeing more ROMs. Ohwaitnvm on Samsung.
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I wasn't keeping up with N1 development at this point in its life. Glad to know it seems we are in good shape then.
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Can't wait for that HTC sense rom on this beautiful screen!!! 8-o
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does anyone know if cyanogen is planning on switching to the nexus s, or is he staying with the nexus one? that prob would make a huge difference.

RogerPodacter said:
does anyone know if cyanogen is planning on switching to the nexus s, or is he staying with the nexus one? that prob would make a huge difference.
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Last I heard, Cyanogen's primary device was still his G2. Koush is the one who's supposed to be developing CM for the Nexus S.

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Last I heard, Cyanogen's primary device was still his G2. Koush is the one who's supposed to be developing CM for the Nexus S.
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And doing a great job at it! Loving the newest alpha.

Already 4 roms (I think) available. That's a pretty good start since it hasn't even been a month yet.

jthornton71707 said:
Can't wait for that HTC sense rom on this beautiful screen!!! 8-o
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HTC != Samsung
I thought the whole reason for getting a NS would be to have the untainted Google experience not a HTC Skin or a Samsung skin for that matter
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does anyone know if cyanogen is planning on switching to the nexus s, or is he staying with the nexus one? that prob would make a huge difference.
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Think I saw a tweet from @cyanogen mentioning that if it is supported by Google then it will be supported by #teamdouche

[Q] developer community support for G2x

I had a Nexus One from launch till 4 months ago and the developer support made me fall in love with Android.
I decided to test out WP7 with the hopes that it would develop into something great; however, I am immensely unsatisfied with the rate of development on this platform.
I would like to come back to Android and this phone is very appealing to my needs.
My question: Will the developer community heavily support this phone like they did with the Nexus One?
My 2 favorite things on Android were Cyanogenmod and Kang-o-rama. I would be incredibly happy if these items were available on this phone.

I'm sure this phone will have PLENTY of dev support. I know that cyanogen himself and a few others from teamdouche are getting the g2x also
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Vanilla dual core means support.
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This device will recieve a lot of support because it doesn't have a locked bootloader like the Sensation(not 100% on this yet till the time comes) which is coming out later this year. Plus it's a dual core phone...

Yea it seems lots of devs already said the G2x was their next phone. We already have root, but they are still working on getting the recovery working. Not that I have any lack of faith either, cause the phone just has a different partition table compared to the O2x (which they didn't expect).
I would say that once we get the recovery, roms will start pouring in.

For me Dev support is the deciding factor between the g2x , sgs2, and sensation.
From how it sounds, the g2x seems to have the lead in Dev interest. Are there any rumors of a new nexus which could steal the Dev spotlight?

kd78 said:
For me Dev support is the deciding factor between the g2x , sgs2, and sensation.
From how it sounds, the g2x seems to have the lead in Dev interest. Are there any rumors of a new nexus which could steal the Dev spotlight?
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It seems Samsung has learned the error of their ways with the whole Froyo debacle, they seem to be keeping their promish in reguards to the time frame for updates and such in the future, so the sgs2 might also be a good choice....
Samsung has burned it's bridge with me, I don't intend to go back in the near future unless the jump through a couple hoops...

diablos991 said:
I had a Nexus One from launch till 4 months ago and the developer support made me fall in love with Android.
I decided to test out WP7 with the hopes that it would develop into something great; however, I am immensely unsatisfied with the rate of development on this platform.
I would like to come back to Android and this phone is very appealing to my needs.
My question: Will the developer community heavily support this phone like they did with the Nexus One?
My 2 favorite things on Android were Cyanogenmod and Kang-o-rama. I would be incredibly happy if these items were available on this phone.
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I for one am coming to the g2x from my Nexus One for a combination of features (dual core, build quality, etc.) + developer support.
I've been following quite a few threads, etc to try to gauge developer support & it seems like the g2x will have *plenty* of it. I'd probably still be on the fence a bit if it wasn't for this.
As mentioned, I believe Cyanogen is getting a g2x & development has already begun on CM7. Paul Obrien & dj (kang-o-rama) both have Optimus 2X's so we'll hopefully be able to use/leverage their great work for the g2x.

If you had the G1 back in the day (like it was sooo long ago) , I think this is going to take us back close to those days. There will be a lot of support.
Just the fact that it will get CM7 means there well be lots of spin-offs and themes. Then there will be the TW team, Eugene and Barrak, and others and of course P. O'brien and the devs working on the O2.
Definitely if you're a dev on tmo you're gonna get this phone.
XDA Mobile

kd78 said:
For me Dev support is the deciding factor between the g2x , sgs2, and sensation.
From how it sounds, the g2x seems to have the lead in Dev interest. Are there any rumors of a new nexus which could steal the Dev spotlight?
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For me, it was the Tegra 2 with Nvidia backing. Samsung and HTC make phones, not games. I can see Nvidia pushing lots of devs over to optimizing games for the chipset.
And I don't know about the Super Amoled Plus but that weird blue hue has put me off of the later screens.
Plus Tegra 2 is noticeably faster then the new Orion in the SGS2 in 3D games.
While the Sensation is a pretty phone, I didn't see anything that peaked my interest.

[Q] How to pick a phone with support?

I hope this question doesn't come across as unappreciative, but I am wondering if there are any patterns when it comes to purchasing a phone with consistent dev support from both the manufacturer and the android community. Do certain brands get released source more quickly than others, or is it luck of the draw? Same goes for dev support. Are there trends in the phones that get the most attention while others are left as an afterthought due to a PITA development process or general disinterest? I am satisfied with my Charge, but I want to know if I can choose more intelligently in future purchases. It seems like the phones with the best hardware are not necessarily the ones with the most support. Any thoughts?
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It seems that the good devs, minus danalo have jumped ship for the newer phones.... kejar just fornier his charge back so maybe we will see something new soon...... hopefully ics
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justin94 said:
It seems that the good devs, minus danalo have jumped ship for the newer phones.... kejar just fornier his charge back so maybe we will see something new soon...... hopefully ics
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No. It's just that we've jumped ship on XDA. We're fed up with the noobs and general insolence. Devs are still around if you know where to look.
As to what phone will get the most devs, it's gotta be the Galaxy Nexus.
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No. It's just that we've jumped ship on XDA. We're fed up with the noobs and general insolence. Devs are still around if you know where to look.
As to what phone will get the most devs, it's gotta be the Galaxy Nexus.
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I've checked on other forums and the only thing I've found that isn't here is the infinity ROM which is an example of the Charge being an afterthought and not really the primary focus of a dev team. I didn't know if maybe one brand is more simple to develop.
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ethanperkins17 said:
I've checked on other forums and the only thing I've found that isn't here is the infinity ROM which is an example of the Charge being an afterthought and not really the primary focus of a dev team. I didn't know if maybe one brand is more simple to develop.
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Howso? Imnuts is extremely active in the Charge community, and Infinity is, in my opinion, the most well developed and mature ROM on this phone. I don't like the occasional hot boots that TSM Parts brings, but no dev has been more committed to this community, nor put in more time on this phone, than imnuts.

shrike1978 said:
Howso? Imnuts is extremely active in the Charge community, and Infinity is, in my opinion, the most well developed and mature ROM on this phone. I don't like the occasional hot boots that TSM Parts brings, but no dev has been more committed to this community, nor put in more time on this phone, than imnuts.
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You're absolutely correct. Do you have any helpfulness for the OP?
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so I'm not one to bicker but here I go...i haven't seen any statement from any devs on xda or the other site stating we've given up on the charge. Yes there are cooler phones but the charge is still one hot phone I've held the rest and honestly minus the hardware specs this is the hottest phone I've seen. I'm also 260 with brick hands so I like the size. Fact is samsung sucks with support so there is no source since froyo for the devs to play with and here we are on ice cream sandwich..blame.samsung not the devs. Danalo has said flat out hes working..and that is enough for me to back him up and support his work imnuts is still around..plus the other players still hard at work. As for stock support if thats what you meant.good luck there dropping phones every minute at this point so when you get that phone that guarantees support and updates a few weeks later your sol and will be depending on devs and leaks to help you out. I for one will stick with the charge until the apps being made demand more power as of right now I can't see a 5 mb app needing a dual core proc or a quadrant score of 3000..sorry I ramble..lets hope one of these devs loves the phone the way I do and keeps cracking at it for some time to come..and if samsung dissent come through in the next year if ill get my 300 dollars worth when I toss my beloved charge through a 300 pain of glass at samsung central!

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so I'm not one to bicker but here I go...i haven't seen any statement from any devs on xda or the other site stating we've given up on the charge. Yes there are cooler phones but the charge is still one hot phone I've held the rest and honestly minus the hardware specs this is the hottest phone I've seen. I'm also 260 with brick hands so I like the size. Fact is samsung sucks with support so there is no source since froyo for the devs to play with and here we are on ice cream sandwich..blame.samsung not the devs. Danalo has said flat out hes working..and that is enough for me to back him up and support his work imnuts is still around..plus the other players still hard at work. As for stock support if thats what you meant.good luck there dropping phones every minute at this point so when you get that phone that guarantees support and updates a few weeks later your sol and will be depending on devs and leaks to help you out. I for one will stick with the charge until the apps being made demand more power as of right now I can't see a 5 mb app needing a dual core proc or a quadrant score of 3000..sorry I ramble..lets hope one of these devs loves the phone the way I do and keeps cracking at it for some time to come..and if samsung dissent come through in the next year if ill get my 300 dollars worth when I toss my beloved charge through a 300 pain of glass at samsung central!
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I don't know how this got turned around to be viewed as an attack on the remaining charge devs, but I'll assume it's because the general atmosphere around here is one of ignoring the original question and just gleaning a topic to start a debate about. From what you said, apparently Samsung sucks at supporting their phones, which leaves the original question unanswered of "what brand has the best support". Also, yes, the Charge has a few devs. I appreciate their work so I'm not sure why this is the subject every reply argues.
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Generally HTC and Motorola have the best community support, Samsung has always been worse off than them.
And I'm sure that this got turned into an "attack" on the remaining devs because there seems are always people that think they are entitled to something. Doesn't matter what community or what this something may be, there are always people that think something is owed to them. One should always make purchases based on what something can do and not what it could do.
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Also, since I never answered the original poster, you can best pick a phone that will get support by looking at what phones are currently well supported. There is a reason that those phones are supported, and generally future phones by that company are equally supported. Generally
Jason

HTC has by far the best record updating their phones, followed by Motorola, then Samsung, then LG. I'd guess we'll see a shift to faster updates eventually at Motorola due to their acquisition by Google, but that could take a while.
As far as dev support goes... you really can't predict that. The level of development on this phone is indeed very low, and that's not an attack on the developers -- it's just fact. Many phones have 3, 4, 5+ actively developed ROMs.
I'd say there's one easy prediction, though: that the Galaxy Nexus will get a lot of developer focus. Just look at how active development is for the almost two year old Nexus One. That's obviously in part due to the fact that Nexus handsets will always get the fastest official updates.

Falcyn said:
HTC has by far the best record updating their phones, followed by Motorola, then Samsung, then LG. I'd guess we'll see a shift to faster updates eventually at Motorola due to their acquisition by Google, but that could take a while.
As far as dev support goes... you really can't predict that. The level of development on this phone is indeed very low, and that's not an attack on the developers -- it's just fact. Many phones have 3, 4, 5+ actively developed ROMs.
I'd say there's one easy prediction, though: that the Galaxy Nexus will get a lot of developer focus. Just look at how active development is for the almost two year old Nexus One. That's obviously in part due to the fact that Nexus handsets will always get the fastest official updates.
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Thanks kart and falcyn for the responses. This^^^ was exactly the help I was looking for.
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IMHO, if you care to browse (much less post) on a forum any manufacturer updates or support are about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish. As for predicting what the support for one phone model over the other by people who work on their own time, it's about like guessing what the next big stock will be. Sure there's info, but it's really a guess. As said, Nexus looks hottest right now, but who really knows what comes out at CES and jazzes up devs?
I wound up going Charge over Bionic for screen and the way it felt I was a Moto fanboy, but I went with my gut, and I'm happy.
Even stuck with manufacturer support, chances are you'll have a useable year and a half out of any phone if you try out apps in store and are pleased. Might another wind up being better? Sure. Thing is, strike outs and striking gold are both rare. Just actually TRY the phones out and get what YOU like.

shrike1978 said:
I don't like the occasional hot boots that TSM Parts brings,.
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Not everyone sees this, I have run TSM for months & it hasn't had a hot boot yet.
~John

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Not everyone sees this, I have run TSM for months & it hasn't had a hot boot yet.
~John
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Which should surely cause one soonish now
Jason

AT&T, their plan to do as little as possible to update phones!!!

This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones, yet the *PRIZED* possession of AT&T, the Iphone (I$hit) and let apple update them on their own and don't fill them with bloatware.... I absolutely hate that they treat phones like that....
Modz please don't close, this is meant to be a venting thread!

b-eock said:
This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones, yet the *PRIZED* possession of AT&T, the Iphone (I$hit) and let apple update them on their own and don't fill them with bloatware.... I absolutely hate that they treat phones like that....
Modz please don't close, this is meant to be a venting thread!
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Just flash CyanogenMod, it's infinitely better than that bloatware infused crap anyway

Agreed, I just root and flash and don't worry about att. Most average users don't even know what a update is nor do they care.
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I run MIUI so no worries there, just once source is released, bugs will be fixed!
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This thread is unnecessary. If you are on xda, chances are you are looking to make your phone better. If not, you probably don't care. Why is this thread different from others complaining about a carrier? And if you are on Miui why complain? Even with source there will be bugs needing fixed.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!

There will be less bugs than there are already!
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Less yes, but still bugs. All I am saying is creating a thread to vent on a forum that is designed to change how your phone works is pointless. Go back to stock on your phone because the bugs will not be as plentiful.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!

Usually I wouldn't worry about this thread and move on, but I agree with the OP about the iPhone.
When AT&T got possession of the most powerful phone in the world (SGS II, for those that don't know) there wasn't one single advertisement saying that it was coming out or that they was selling it. When the iPhone had TWO WEEKS to release there was a big *** advertisement on their homepage for preorders. On top of that, when you look at their smartphones the iPhone lineup from the best to the worst that they are selling are all of the first phones listed, where's the SGS II? DEAD LAST!!!
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I don't blame AT&T that much, why wouldn't they push a single phone that millions want vs. pushing all of the android phones they have, in the past two months we have seen the galaxy s II, the Atrix II, the SkyRocket and the Vivid released. Before that it as the Atrix, Infuse, and Inspire, all the while Apple has released 1 phone. From a marketing perspective its much cheaper to push 1 phone vs. the 7 I just mentioned and the other 4 smaller releases they have had for android. On top of that they are also selling Windows 7 and blackberry phones. To sum it up its makes sense and is cheaper for them the market the hell out the most popular phone in America then to have to create new campaigns every month for the next flagship phone that gets released for Android. I think that extends to updates as well, I would bet if there were one android manufacturer like Apple for Iphone we would see much quicker updates, its just sort the headache you sign up for when you buy an android phone, if you want quick updates get a google phone, otherwise all you can do is flash.

b-eock said:
This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones
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Dude, the captivate is a 1 year old model, unless they start melting down in peoples hands, dont expect another update for your phone. I can just about promise ICS will never come for cappy from AT&T. Be glad we did finally get GB.

rahlquist said:
Dude, the captivate is a 1 year old model, unless they start melting down in peoples hands, dont expect another update for your phone. I can just about promise ICS will never come for cappy from AT&T. Be glad we did finally get GB.
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We didn't get official Gingerbread... and Google requires updates for At least 18 months!
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... but.... we haven't got GB. Not officially. We have to rely on leaks from Samsung.
Edit: b-eock beat me to it.
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I've come to expect very little from AT&T. Just a bit more than the bare minimum (i.e. a phone that can call people).

also if you want to express any opinion to At&t, contact At&t. dont expect that they research their old products as well enough to find this message to them.
email, call - i think they have these options if not default to angry letter attached to a box with an old style wind up clock in it.

TRusselo said:
email, call - i think they have these options if not default to angry letter attached to a box with an old style wind up clock in it.
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I was largely under the presumption that, as AT&T customers, we've done this so often that we're sick of it and absolutely can't stand another 3hr+ chat just to get them to send us a replacement phone.

Aus_Azn said:
I was largely under the presumption that, as AT&T customers, we've done this so often that we're sick of it and absolutely can't stand another 3hr+ chat just to get them to send us a replacement phone.
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Many people haven't needed replacement phones because of the os not getting updated. I don't think that has ever happened.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!

flashman2002 said:
Many people haven't needed replacement phones because of the os not getting updated. I don't think that has ever happened.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!
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I was specifically referencing the idea of calling AT&T, not discussing the issue of replacement phones.

ok then dont call them. make a blog, or yell at the wall, it will do you the same amount of good as posting here.

Stupid question but how is Sprint & Verizon when it comes to updates? I have read they also do the same, MetroPCS are still selling Eclair phones I believe.
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It is pretty much all the us providers that slow down getting the updates. Some manufacturers were sending out pretty frequent updates for their phones but usually it was because they would send out an update like 2.2 which would have some bugs, then a month later they would supposedly fix those bugs with an update that incremented to 2.2.1, 2.2.3 or whatever (I do not remember the exact updates but some of my coworkers with their HTC or Moto phones seemed to get the little incremented updates pretty often, but going from lets say 2.2 to 2.3 took a while.
This is ONE of the advanteges to 1. having a sister device in common like the i9000 and i897 cappy and as well the i9100 and i777. Which WILL allow us on Cappys and ATT OG SGS2's to stay ahead of whatever it is the provider puts out. Like on my cappy I was running froyo maybe 6 months before att decided to put out a official update, then just as att put out the official froyo I was running leaked gingerbread roms which STILL has not been made official from att.
AND 2. being a part of the XDA community so we can get these BETTER THAN STOCK ROM leaks well before.
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