I hope this question doesn't come across as unappreciative, but I am wondering if there are any patterns when it comes to purchasing a phone with consistent dev support from both the manufacturer and the android community. Do certain brands get released source more quickly than others, or is it luck of the draw? Same goes for dev support. Are there trends in the phones that get the most attention while others are left as an afterthought due to a PITA development process or general disinterest? I am satisfied with my Charge, but I want to know if I can choose more intelligently in future purchases. It seems like the phones with the best hardware are not necessarily the ones with the most support. Any thoughts?
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It seems that the good devs, minus danalo have jumped ship for the newer phones.... kejar just fornier his charge back so maybe we will see something new soon...... hopefully ics
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It seems that the good devs, minus danalo have jumped ship for the newer phones.... kejar just fornier his charge back so maybe we will see something new soon...... hopefully ics
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No. It's just that we've jumped ship on XDA. We're fed up with the noobs and general insolence. Devs are still around if you know where to look.
As to what phone will get the most devs, it's gotta be the Galaxy Nexus.
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No. It's just that we've jumped ship on XDA. We're fed up with the noobs and general insolence. Devs are still around if you know where to look.
As to what phone will get the most devs, it's gotta be the Galaxy Nexus.
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I've checked on other forums and the only thing I've found that isn't here is the infinity ROM which is an example of the Charge being an afterthought and not really the primary focus of a dev team. I didn't know if maybe one brand is more simple to develop.
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I've checked on other forums and the only thing I've found that isn't here is the infinity ROM which is an example of the Charge being an afterthought and not really the primary focus of a dev team. I didn't know if maybe one brand is more simple to develop.
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Howso? Imnuts is extremely active in the Charge community, and Infinity is, in my opinion, the most well developed and mature ROM on this phone. I don't like the occasional hot boots that TSM Parts brings, but no dev has been more committed to this community, nor put in more time on this phone, than imnuts.
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Howso? Imnuts is extremely active in the Charge community, and Infinity is, in my opinion, the most well developed and mature ROM on this phone. I don't like the occasional hot boots that TSM Parts brings, but no dev has been more committed to this community, nor put in more time on this phone, than imnuts.
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You're absolutely correct. Do you have any helpfulness for the OP?
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so I'm not one to bicker but here I go...i haven't seen any statement from any devs on xda or the other site stating we've given up on the charge. Yes there are cooler phones but the charge is still one hot phone I've held the rest and honestly minus the hardware specs this is the hottest phone I've seen. I'm also 260 with brick hands so I like the size. Fact is samsung sucks with support so there is no source since froyo for the devs to play with and here we are on ice cream sandwich..blame.samsung not the devs. Danalo has said flat out hes working..and that is enough for me to back him up and support his work imnuts is still around..plus the other players still hard at work. As for stock support if thats what you meant.good luck there dropping phones every minute at this point so when you get that phone that guarantees support and updates a few weeks later your sol and will be depending on devs and leaks to help you out. I for one will stick with the charge until the apps being made demand more power as of right now I can't see a 5 mb app needing a dual core proc or a quadrant score of 3000..sorry I ramble..lets hope one of these devs loves the phone the way I do and keeps cracking at it for some time to come..and if samsung dissent come through in the next year if ill get my 300 dollars worth when I toss my beloved charge through a 300 pain of glass at samsung central!
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so I'm not one to bicker but here I go...i haven't seen any statement from any devs on xda or the other site stating we've given up on the charge. Yes there are cooler phones but the charge is still one hot phone I've held the rest and honestly minus the hardware specs this is the hottest phone I've seen. I'm also 260 with brick hands so I like the size. Fact is samsung sucks with support so there is no source since froyo for the devs to play with and here we are on ice cream sandwich..blame.samsung not the devs. Danalo has said flat out hes working..and that is enough for me to back him up and support his work imnuts is still around..plus the other players still hard at work. As for stock support if thats what you meant.good luck there dropping phones every minute at this point so when you get that phone that guarantees support and updates a few weeks later your sol and will be depending on devs and leaks to help you out. I for one will stick with the charge until the apps being made demand more power as of right now I can't see a 5 mb app needing a dual core proc or a quadrant score of 3000..sorry I ramble..lets hope one of these devs loves the phone the way I do and keeps cracking at it for some time to come..and if samsung dissent come through in the next year if ill get my 300 dollars worth when I toss my beloved charge through a 300 pain of glass at samsung central!
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I don't know how this got turned around to be viewed as an attack on the remaining charge devs, but I'll assume it's because the general atmosphere around here is one of ignoring the original question and just gleaning a topic to start a debate about. From what you said, apparently Samsung sucks at supporting their phones, which leaves the original question unanswered of "what brand has the best support". Also, yes, the Charge has a few devs. I appreciate their work so I'm not sure why this is the subject every reply argues.
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Generally HTC and Motorola have the best community support, Samsung has always been worse off than them.
And I'm sure that this got turned into an "attack" on the remaining devs because there seems are always people that think they are entitled to something. Doesn't matter what community or what this something may be, there are always people that think something is owed to them. One should always make purchases based on what something can do and not what it could do.
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Also, since I never answered the original poster, you can best pick a phone that will get support by looking at what phones are currently well supported. There is a reason that those phones are supported, and generally future phones by that company are equally supported. Generally
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HTC has by far the best record updating their phones, followed by Motorola, then Samsung, then LG. I'd guess we'll see a shift to faster updates eventually at Motorola due to their acquisition by Google, but that could take a while.
As far as dev support goes... you really can't predict that. The level of development on this phone is indeed very low, and that's not an attack on the developers -- it's just fact. Many phones have 3, 4, 5+ actively developed ROMs.
I'd say there's one easy prediction, though: that the Galaxy Nexus will get a lot of developer focus. Just look at how active development is for the almost two year old Nexus One. That's obviously in part due to the fact that Nexus handsets will always get the fastest official updates.
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HTC has by far the best record updating their phones, followed by Motorola, then Samsung, then LG. I'd guess we'll see a shift to faster updates eventually at Motorola due to their acquisition by Google, but that could take a while.
As far as dev support goes... you really can't predict that. The level of development on this phone is indeed very low, and that's not an attack on the developers -- it's just fact. Many phones have 3, 4, 5+ actively developed ROMs.
I'd say there's one easy prediction, though: that the Galaxy Nexus will get a lot of developer focus. Just look at how active development is for the almost two year old Nexus One. That's obviously in part due to the fact that Nexus handsets will always get the fastest official updates.
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Thanks kart and falcyn for the responses. This^^^ was exactly the help I was looking for.
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IMHO, if you care to browse (much less post) on a forum any manufacturer updates or support are about as useful as a bicycle is to a fish. As for predicting what the support for one phone model over the other by people who work on their own time, it's about like guessing what the next big stock will be. Sure there's info, but it's really a guess. As said, Nexus looks hottest right now, but who really knows what comes out at CES and jazzes up devs?
I wound up going Charge over Bionic for screen and the way it felt I was a Moto fanboy, but I went with my gut, and I'm happy.
Even stuck with manufacturer support, chances are you'll have a useable year and a half out of any phone if you try out apps in store and are pleased. Might another wind up being better? Sure. Thing is, strike outs and striking gold are both rare. Just actually TRY the phones out and get what YOU like.
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I don't like the occasional hot boots that TSM Parts brings,.
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Not everyone sees this, I have run TSM for months & it hasn't had a hot boot yet.
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Not everyone sees this, I have run TSM for months & it hasn't had a hot boot yet.
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Which should surely cause one soonish now
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Just curious if anyone remembers the N1's dev community at this stage. Was it about the same as the NS is now? It seems a little slow, but I completely understand the thing just came out - just didn't know relatively speaking how fast or slow it's coming along.
It's a very important factor in my buying/keeping a phone.
It's actually moving quite fast considering the phone hasn't even been out a month yet. Morfic from Team Whiskey already provided us with a fully funtional 1.3 OC kernel. It took months to get a semi-stable one for the Vibrant.
Cool. I've never bought a phone this early in its cycle, so I was unsure. I left the EVO which had ROMs etc. out the wazoo. I expected there not to be a whole lot available so early, just didn't know if relatively what's available is a lot or a little.
While the quantity of roms may not be as vast as of yet I can assure you the quality is there. You will not regret making this purchase and I'm sure given a little more time the NS will shock us all with it's hidden time machine app that we haven't unlocked yet.
i'd not comment on quality so early.
Like common... it's been only 3 WEEKS since the release date.
I think we are doing pretty darn good already, way ahead of expectations.
in contrast the SGS I9000 took like 2 to 3 months to pick up speeed in the DEV world
now after 4 months they finally have quality ROMS compared to 2 months back
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i'd not comment on quality so early.
Like common... it's been only 3 WEEKS since the release date.
I think we are doing pretty darn good already, way ahead of expectations.
in contrast the SGS I9000 took like 2 to 3 months to pick up speeed in the DEV world
now after 4 months they finally have quality ROMS compared to 2 months back
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I think the similarity and comparisons to the SGS line are what worry me a bit. It's usually HTC that gets all the dev love, and the SGS series (IMO) had some pretty lacking dev support.
I pray that the NS continues to get more support than the SGS.
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I think the similarity and comparisons to the SGS line are what worry me a bit. It's usually HTC that gets all the dev love, and the SGS series (IMO) had some pretty lacking dev support.
I pray that the NS continues to get more support than the SGS.
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I disagree about the "SGS series...had some pretty lacking dev support."
You've got to be more specific about which SGS. The i9000 crowd is very active with lots of custom roms, tweaks, kernels, recoveries, etc. The T-Mo Vibrant doesn't have nearly as much, but there's still a few options (TW, Eugene and a few others). The Captivate I know has some custom kernels, but the Fascinate seems to have almost nothing. Lack of dev support kept me from getting a Fascinate, despite desperately wanting to switch to Verizon for service.
Maybe Cyanogen and crew never gave any of these real love, but it's a disservice to some really great devs like Paul O'Brien (Modaco), DocRambone, SuperCurio, Morfic, etc to say that the entire SGS line didn't get support.
Supercurio and Paul O'Brien changed the i9000 from the best hadware on the market with the worst OS/FS to the best of both.
I just did some calculations:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10377107&postcount=566
It sums up to some 268000 units. In 3 weeks. Just in US of A and UK.
Either I grossly miscalculated somewhere or it is just "wow".
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Just curious if anyone remembers the N1's dev community at this stage. Was it about the same as the NS is now? It seems a little slow, but I completely understand the thing just came out - just didn't know relatively speaking how fast or slow it's coming along.
It's a very important factor in my buying/keeping a phone.
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LOL @ Everyone asking about dev support.
The phone hasn't even been out a month yet! On the Nexus One, the developer community wasn't anything but maybe one or two ROMs that were optimized Eclair plus CM5 and then a handful of kernels all doing essentially the same thing.
We also need to consider the fact that when the Nexus One launched, there was nothing like it on the market at that time. Not the case with the Nexus S. This time around, there are a lot of great phones to choose from.
I hope folks realize that one of the reasons we aren't seeing a lot of action on the development front is because everything pre-Gingerbread is considered a downgrade. Once Samsung, HTC, or Motorola update their devices to 2.3, then we'll start seeing more ROMs. Ohwaitnvm on Samsung.
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LOL @ Everyone asking about dev support.
The phone hasn't even been out a month yet! On the Nexus One, the developer community wasn't anything but maybe one or two ROMs that were optimized Eclair plus CM5 and then a handful of kernels all doing essentially the same thing.
We also need to consider the fact that when the Nexus One launched, there was nothing like it on the market at that time. Not the case with the Nexus S. This time around, there are a lot of great phones to choose from.
I hope folks realize that one of the reasons we aren't seeing a lot of action on the development front is because everything pre-Gingerbread is considered a downgrade. Once Samsung, HTC, or Motorola update their devices to 2.3, then we'll start seeing more ROMs. Ohwaitnvm on Samsung.
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I wasn't keeping up with N1 development at this point in its life. Glad to know it seems we are in good shape then.
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Can't wait for that HTC sense rom on this beautiful screen!!! 8-o
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does anyone know if cyanogen is planning on switching to the nexus s, or is he staying with the nexus one? that prob would make a huge difference.
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does anyone know if cyanogen is planning on switching to the nexus s, or is he staying with the nexus one? that prob would make a huge difference.
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Last I heard, Cyanogen's primary device was still his G2. Koush is the one who's supposed to be developing CM for the Nexus S.
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Last I heard, Cyanogen's primary device was still his G2. Koush is the one who's supposed to be developing CM for the Nexus S.
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And doing a great job at it! Loving the newest alpha.
Already 4 roms (I think) available. That's a pretty good start since it hasn't even been a month yet.
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Can't wait for that HTC sense rom on this beautiful screen!!! 8-o
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HTC != Samsung
I thought the whole reason for getting a NS would be to have the untainted Google experience not a HTC Skin or a Samsung skin for that matter
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does anyone know if cyanogen is planning on switching to the nexus s, or is he staying with the nexus one? that prob would make a huge difference.
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Think I saw a tweet from @cyanogen mentioning that if it is supported by Google then it will be supported by #teamdouche
Check out this brief note about the ever elusive Froyo update for our beloved, under performing (OOTB) phone.
http://erictric.com/2011/01/03/sams...froyo-update-for-samsung-galaxy-s-smartphone/
Upside...well, I've speculated before and been wrong...probably am here too, but trying to break my life-long mold of being a total skeptic:
We might just go straight to Gingerbread?????
Even if we get ginger and not froyo this will be the last samsung product i purcase
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I don't really care anymore when the official 2.2 update will come out. I'm happy sticking with custom roms until the Motorola Atrix comes out. Hopefully it will live up to the hype. The Captivate is my first and last Samsung cell phone I'll ever buy.
I too am just waiting for the atrix. I've never bought a phone off contact but will be forced too cause I bought the captivate with my upgrade. Its not that I'm totally unhappy with the captivate, just upset that samsung has don't so little to ensure that their "flagship" phone stays up to date. Its too bad too cause it has such great potential.
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I agree with all of you. I'm fairly pleased with my custom rom too, but feel like it still could be better if devs had source for the cappy.
Also, my first and last Samsung phone. I'm boycotting them altogether. My next phone Sony or Motorola...CES showed off some good stuff. Next flat screen TV Sony prolly, or maybe an LG; def done with Samsung.
Bastards say still testing but steadily releasing new products with Froyo and even GB.
Gonna have to find the money to break my contract with AT&T cause I'm not paying them an upgrade fee.
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We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality.
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So i guess we can expect these delays on future phones too due to complexity/unique functionality? Heheh...
Those phones that samsung will announce next month better have gingerbread from the start, i don't think anyone can rely on samsung to put out an update anymore.
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So i guess we can expect these delays on future phones too due to complexity/unique functionality? Heheh...
Those phones that samsung will announce next month better have gingerbread from the start, i don't think anyone can rely on samsung to put out an update anymore.
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Yeah, that's the killer. The SGS line was supposed to be their Flagship Android line for the US...got tons of people on board only to essentially abandoned us to work on new products to trick people in to buying. They can't get us an update for this line but they can put the OS on new products without any problems. Just look at what the devs on this forum have done with a FW that's not even for our device. If they can do it, then surely the makers of the damn line could. I hope they crash and burn, market share wise. It may take a while but if they continue this BS with other lines and products people are eventually going to say f-off.
My next phone is going to be either Motorola or HTC. In fact, I just replaced my Samsung TV with a LG. I am done with Samsung all together.
Cry some more? Even when they come out with it, it will just be stripped and modded and redistributed on the forums. The custom ones will be better than anything Samsung will put out.
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Cry some more? Even when they come out with it, it will just be stripped and modded and redistributed on the forums. The custom ones will be better than anything Samsung will put out.
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No doubt...I don't care about the ROM they release; just that source code so the talented devs on this forum can unleash it. I will never run another stock ROM on ANY Android device, ever. This forum is the bomb!!!!
Like others above this is my last Samsung phone ever. Sucks I wasted my upgrade for this crap.
I do appreciate the developers on this forum though for the custom roms. Thanks again!
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My next phone is going to be either Motorola or HTC. In fact, I just replaced my Samsung TV with a LG. I am done with Samsung all together.
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This is the exact same conversation that everyone was having in the motorola forums with the backflip cliq and cliq xt. Htc is the only ones that have a reputation good for upgrading their phones, but moto and samsung have the best hardware (imo). Cant beat the screen on this thing and every moto I own has been indestructable. So now I buy the phone with the best hardware and community support. I have come to love flashing my phone with something different all the time, whether it be roms or themes, so I will never again buy a phone on the day of release. I will always wait untill the devs behind xda have a go at the device. Then at that point I could care less about manufacturer upgrades
Just my two cents... Take it or leave it
And ps. Youll never pry my 2 samsung hdtv's out of my cold dead hands. Best picture youll find in the price range
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Lets face it Samsung makes the best hardware, But everything Support Software Updates Sucks harry monkey ****.
I will never get a samsung android phone.
Samsung has been tweeting the same message since the end of December when they knew they would miss the "End of Year" commitment.
But for all those convinced they are evil, go read the forums and blogs for other phones - all manufacturers miss dates, and many times it is due to carrier involvement. The grass always seems greener elsewhere, but the truth is, the same frustrations exist with all vendors.
Then the choice is clear. Generic non carrier phones.
All you guys high on the Moto Atrix, doesnt Moto lock down the phones so you cant root (easily or at all) ? Every manufacturer has their issues. Im hardly a Samsung fan but Id rather have custom ROM's and Galaxy S seems to allow that without much hassle.
I'm not happy with Samsung by any means, but I also remember waiting for a year for the WinMo update for the HTC Tilt 2 and it came from HTC, not AT$T. It's a tricky balance the relationship these companies have. If a new release borks up a significant number of users it could be a customer service nightmare for both companies with each trying to figure out who gets to fix it. That said, it does seem as though Samsung has moved on and is more focused on selling newer phones than taking care of their existing customer base. That's a bad business decision for any company, especially in an industry where product cycles are so short, customer memories are so long and most marketing is by word of mouth and internet forums.
Can I ask why? I have a captivate, flashed froyo on it and i'm loving it. Is it just Samsung that you don't like or theres something wrong with your phone?
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Can I ask why? I have a captivate, flashed froyo on it and i'm loving it. Is it just Samsung that you don't like or theres something wrong with your phone?
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Because they made a promise (online and in writing) to provide the Froyo update. My dislike also comes from having had 2 Samsung HDTVs that, while having great pictures, developed problems that were poorly handled by Samsung service. And while you may be happy with your modded phone, we shouldn't HAVE to flash a non-OEM ROM just to enjoy things like a working GPS or enhancements that other users in other countries are able to enjoy.
Maybe you don't like Samsung, but I love them. Awesome screen, great performance, good battery, and well I don't use GPS so honestly I don't care (I would use Network GPS before real GPS anyway).
I will most likely buy the 4.5" Infuse 4G, unless they make a 4.5" windows phone 7 (which I doubt, WP7 has horrible phones).
Even as a tech savvy individual, for whatever reason, until a month ago I had pretty much buried my head in the sand as far as smartphones were concerned. I guess my extreme hatred for Apple products and my perceived understanding public's adoration of the iPhone (and like devices) kept me away.
In any case, our contracts were up for renewal, so I decided to go "all out", do some research and finally get a phone that had all the gadgets with it.
Overall, I'm happy with the Captivate. Granted, between Samsung and AT&T, things aren't perfect, but it seems that we have an incredible amount of non-commercial support on our side in the form of various forums and the ROM developers.
My big question is, how long does anyone expect that the Cappy will still be "current"? Realizing of course that it isn't a 4G phone, and currently only runs (stock) 2.1 and won't be "among the best/fastest" for ever, how much longer do you think new ROMs and other developments will be made for it? What kind of phone/technology will take people's attention elsewhere? I'm hoping that even though I've joined the Cappy crowd late, that I still have some time to enjoy the new stuff (Roms in particular) for it.
Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.
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Well, going on AT&T's Track record of EOL marks they will probably stop selling captivates around May/June, I think with custom ROMs you can get a good 2 1/2 years out of it before it starts feeling really old, that will probably be around the time when the quad core processors are the new and high range device norm and dual core processors are the entry and mid range Android devices.
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It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.
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It depends. The lack of support from Samsung may discourage developers as most I've seen are looking for greener pastures.
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I totally see that side of things, but just to play devil's advocate, I have a fuze and it still sees development and never got an official update from 6.1 to 6.5.
A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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A new release of software or hardware doesn't magically render an older device useless. It'll still do everything it could when you bought it.
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yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory
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yep, as long as people enjoy it, it will continue
look at how long it takes xda to put phones in the legacy devices catagory
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That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?
The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Voodoo sound (and the microphone volume fix while recording video) is the single reason I didn't buy an Inspire/Atrix.
Yet, anyway.
so good to hear there is still some enthusiasm for the captivate, i'm still waiting for mine to arrive. this tech liberation movement is the main reason i was willing to take the plunge.
power to the people!
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The day the devs here on XDA stop making spectacular roms and kernels is the day the Galaxy S dies with me.
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Amen, brother!
Nevermind at&t. As long as the great developers and people at xda keep giving us access to such great things the captivate w will always rule 1ghz phones
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I'm with ya guys.
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Well 2.2 is out now right? The first thing you should.do regardless is install a custom rom on the phone that has 2.2.
After that... customize the phone and make ir yours.
However, concerning the life expectancy.... it should be relavent for a while; the phone is very fast and has a good build.
I have had mine since June and I.think ill be upgrading to.tthe Galaxy S 2 when that.comes out.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon
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Not useless, but with some new apps and updates requiring 2.2 (and soon 2.3/2.4 I'd presume) it is frustrating to find yourself unable to run the cool new apps and games after a while.
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That's really what I am hoping to see - I'd really hate to feel like I just got this thing and in 2 months it'll be outdated - I mean, I really can't see a device doing any more than this thing already does... short of maybe HD Video out; but isn't that just overkill on a phone?
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Trust me, there are plenty of more things phones can do, do do, and are planning to do in close future, such as finger print reading, 3d recording, a part to read real time temperature of wherever you are. of course, they are always improving cameras with more mega pixels, making phones faster with more CPU and RAM, making phones slimmer, etc. A lot of phones don't have HD out, like the Captivate. But that will be a lot more popular.
I am so ready for the next generation of phones that are coming out soon
cappys came out late july, not june Flac. I just had to send mine in and was looking at receipt. I got mine the first day available.
I had a Nexus One from launch till 4 months ago and the developer support made me fall in love with Android.
I decided to test out WP7 with the hopes that it would develop into something great; however, I am immensely unsatisfied with the rate of development on this platform.
I would like to come back to Android and this phone is very appealing to my needs.
My question: Will the developer community heavily support this phone like they did with the Nexus One?
My 2 favorite things on Android were Cyanogenmod and Kang-o-rama. I would be incredibly happy if these items were available on this phone.
I'm sure this phone will have PLENTY of dev support. I know that cyanogen himself and a few others from teamdouche are getting the g2x also
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Vanilla dual core means support.
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This device will recieve a lot of support because it doesn't have a locked bootloader like the Sensation(not 100% on this yet till the time comes) which is coming out later this year. Plus it's a dual core phone...
Yea it seems lots of devs already said the G2x was their next phone. We already have root, but they are still working on getting the recovery working. Not that I have any lack of faith either, cause the phone just has a different partition table compared to the O2x (which they didn't expect).
I would say that once we get the recovery, roms will start pouring in.
For me Dev support is the deciding factor between the g2x , sgs2, and sensation.
From how it sounds, the g2x seems to have the lead in Dev interest. Are there any rumors of a new nexus which could steal the Dev spotlight?
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For me Dev support is the deciding factor between the g2x , sgs2, and sensation.
From how it sounds, the g2x seems to have the lead in Dev interest. Are there any rumors of a new nexus which could steal the Dev spotlight?
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It seems Samsung has learned the error of their ways with the whole Froyo debacle, they seem to be keeping their promish in reguards to the time frame for updates and such in the future, so the sgs2 might also be a good choice....
Samsung has burned it's bridge with me, I don't intend to go back in the near future unless the jump through a couple hoops...
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I had a Nexus One from launch till 4 months ago and the developer support made me fall in love with Android.
I decided to test out WP7 with the hopes that it would develop into something great; however, I am immensely unsatisfied with the rate of development on this platform.
I would like to come back to Android and this phone is very appealing to my needs.
My question: Will the developer community heavily support this phone like they did with the Nexus One?
My 2 favorite things on Android were Cyanogenmod and Kang-o-rama. I would be incredibly happy if these items were available on this phone.
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I for one am coming to the g2x from my Nexus One for a combination of features (dual core, build quality, etc.) + developer support.
I've been following quite a few threads, etc to try to gauge developer support & it seems like the g2x will have *plenty* of it. I'd probably still be on the fence a bit if it wasn't for this.
As mentioned, I believe Cyanogen is getting a g2x & development has already begun on CM7. Paul Obrien & dj (kang-o-rama) both have Optimus 2X's so we'll hopefully be able to use/leverage their great work for the g2x.
If you had the G1 back in the day (like it was sooo long ago) , I think this is going to take us back close to those days. There will be a lot of support.
Just the fact that it will get CM7 means there well be lots of spin-offs and themes. Then there will be the TW team, Eugene and Barrak, and others and of course P. O'brien and the devs working on the O2.
Definitely if you're a dev on tmo you're gonna get this phone.
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kd78 said:
For me Dev support is the deciding factor between the g2x , sgs2, and sensation.
From how it sounds, the g2x seems to have the lead in Dev interest. Are there any rumors of a new nexus which could steal the Dev spotlight?
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For me, it was the Tegra 2 with Nvidia backing. Samsung and HTC make phones, not games. I can see Nvidia pushing lots of devs over to optimizing games for the chipset.
And I don't know about the Super Amoled Plus but that weird blue hue has put me off of the later screens.
Plus Tegra 2 is noticeably faster then the new Orion in the SGS2 in 3D games.
While the Sensation is a pretty phone, I didn't see anything that peaked my interest.
I am genuinely pissed after they postponed the ICS event because I felt like that would be the infuses' time to get current with its OS. Maybe I'm venting my frustration a bit but 500K+ devices are turned on per day(at least for the next few months). I see that version pie chart and Froyo is still number 1 despite GB releasing roughly 10 months ago(not to mention a new version is weeks from releasing) . It's exactly why I come here.
I would also like to point out that the Fragmentation also causes what I like to call a popularity contest. Yes you have a crap ton of device options but guess what the carriers and manufacturer are making sure the cash cows are first in line. Do you think they have as many engineers/developers working with the ChaCha as they do on sgs2? Hell no
Why is Google shooting themselves in the foot in staying current? Why on earth haven't they sat down with the phone manufacturers and hammered out some sort of standard to speed up adoption of new OS?
Android has a wide array of devices and that makes them unique and better than the competition by offering choice.
I understand that the burden of keeping up to speed primarily falls to the manufacturer/carriers which blows for us. The maker/google contract states the carrier only has update the device for 18 months. The definition and or frequency of an update is obscure at best.
I don't even want to guess how much money is being wasted on development overlapping costs because of the hodgepodge of devices. I tried to find out exactly how many hardware devices are currently supported. I found a list of everything but no summary I didn't feel like counting the but a good estimate is 350 + worldwide.
I understand the development life cycle as well as a hardware life-cycle. I fail to understand why integration of an update takes longer than one quarter to apply.
Google develops tests and releases system updates. The manufacturers takes that update and tests it with their bull**** on top (IE touch wiz and sense) then they test on devices.
Carriers finally now test the update, certify it, and push to users(never pushed at one time because they would never risk any downtime or damage to their network).
Wtf google step your game up and reduce the impact of Fragmentation because its only going to get worse and worse.
I'm the kind of device user that makes a well informed decision and won't get a new device until it breaks or I lose it(wow thinking about it I really am horrible with phones).
I have had this phone since it came out in April and I love it (I left it in a cab during the first 2 weeks I had it but was able to get my replacement soon after). Basically I'm a day one Adopter I had my original rooted and rom'd. It drastically improved the general usability of the phone. I decided to wait to mod the phone until I got the official gb to see what it could bring to the table. I really like the one click update with no issues but my hand has been forced. My device has been becoming noticeably slower and i find myself pulling the battery at least once every 2 days. To use it as a phone like it was intended I need to port to a mod. The
Thank you developers for implementing what the billion dollar corporations could not in literally 1/10 of the time.
Sorry if I ranted I'm pissed and there's no way I'm going down to wallstreet lol I'm lazy.
Jason
Note: I also read that it could reach nearly 1 million devices a day by the end of Oct/Nov.
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Trust me I understand your frustration! According to google ICS was supposed to be that game changing release but honestly marketing is what is stopping companies from unifying. A majority of people who get an Android device don't know what the hell to do with it, how it works, or in the most part don't care (or at least don't seem to understand the difference between froyo and GB) they just want a functioning
phone. Then comes ios, that's why it's so popular.
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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.
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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.
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Quite frankly your frustration (and mine) is backed by the dev community; to atleast some extent. Although, I still believe google saw the bright green money tree right above their noses and since then, can not let go of the smell! In other words, there wont' be a solution in the near future.
Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!
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Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!
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I couldn't name to you all the releases that are out there
Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.
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Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.
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Are you running a custom rom, kernel, radio, are you OC/UV?
Any and all of these things can and will give you instability. I had a cm7 theme that kept crashing the system on my backflip.
The only way to do away with MOST not all issues is to live in "the box".
Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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Lol. By the ICS is out on a couple phones he would've switched to a different phone.
MikeyMike01 said:
Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.
I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Completely agreed. Phone's that will never officially have things like Sense 3.5 have it, and the same with firmwares. I do love my Samsung though.
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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.
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Problem is that every phone has vendor-proprietary bits to handle specific hardware support that aren't portable. The Apache license of the Android userland stack makes this possible. Also the ability to have proprietary modules loaded by the kernel doesn't help - for example the FSR and RFS drivers in the Infuse. The same reason you'll likely never see ICS for the Infuse is the same reason you didn't see CM7 until Rogers Gingerbread dropped. (It existed, but it was in a barely usable state until the vendor-proprietary stuff from Rogers GB could get pulled in.)
The good news is that I think Google is forcing vendors to "play nicer" as far as the low-level vendor-proprietary code in order to make AOSP bringups easier. They enforced a LOT of standardization with Honeycomb - the question is can they keep that going with ICS without witholding source like with HC? I think that by exercising tighter control over Google Apps licensing they can.
The Galaxy S II is a hint of things to come - while it still has vendor-proprietary libraries in the userland stack, it has zero closed-source components in the kernel, unlike previous Samsungs.
Motivation and $.
my opinion only...but, phone carriers have no motivation* to update the o.s. of phones already sold.
Just a few random thoughts...
1. Limited $ to be made from you (the customer waiting for an upgrade)
....a. sale of the device is already made.
....b. buyer is already locked into a long-term contract.
2. they are a phone company not a software company...thus any software developers they might have are probably focused on future sales and testing.
3. they don't make money releasing updates to already sold phones.
4. support staff would have to be pretty good size.
I wonder if the phone providers keep software upgrade staff or do they contract that out??? say to the phone manufacture (i.e. samsung, htc)? I have no idea.
(I am assuming it's the phone carriers who are the primary cause of delays in releasing software updates...not necessarily the
* what's more important to them? Future repeat customers due to good service OR simply getting them locked into longterm service contracts? Obviously point 2.
I wish fragmentation was decreased to that of the IBM compatibe market. (Am I the only one that still calls them that?)
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Interesting point I would have to say they contract the work out to upgrade versions. If they haven't already I wouldn't be surprised to see full teams being hired as android becomes more permanent.
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Great post
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The debate continues on TechCrunch:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/27/charted-android-fragmentation/