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Android on Polaris/Orbit2

Howdee,
I'm _really_ interested in this one and over at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383695 it does not seem as if anybody would tackle the Orbit2 anytime soon...
Therefore, does anybody know how to get Android running on the Polaris/Orbit2 and or can point me into the right direction as how to create images for this device? Would anybody be interested in teaming up and putting some effort into this and try to get Andoid running on our device?

There ist already a thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385023
TDO

Also, Android will be released in the not too distant future... You might want to wait for a fully working distro for the Polaris...

gnick666 said:
Also, Android will be released in the not too distant future... You might want to wait for a fully working distro for the Polaris...
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Thanks for the update. Would you know when this will be (or where I can get info on this?)

As far as I know manufacturers plan to release Android phones before september... also Google stated that they'll release the 1.0 source when the first phone hits the market...
Also the recent demo videos show even more of the OS, and I'd say it somewhere near pre-beta or closed beta testing... and there's the second round of the ADC...
For what the day of the actual release will be no one knows... my estimation is around september-october...

gnick666 said:
As far as I know manufacturers plan to release Android phones before september... also Google stated that they'll release the 1.0 source when the first phone hits the market...
Also the recent demo videos show even more of the OS, and I'd say it somewhere near pre-beta or closed beta testing... and there's the second round of the ADC...
For what the day of the actual release will be no one knows... my estimation is around september-october...
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Thanks again! ;-)
Do you think Android will stably run on the Polaris anyways? I might be wrong here, but doesn't this depend on the SDK actually supporting the Polaris? I figure that e.g. there will be a ton of drivers missing...

The SKD and the real Android distro are and will be 2 different things.
It doesn't realy matter on which device you can port the SDK to, it'll stay the SDK and won't be a fully functional Android distro... Android will be able to run on any device that has a 200 MHz processor, 32 MB Flash memory and 32 MB RAM, and I doubt that the SDK is capeable of running whith these parameters.
So don't waste your time whith the SDK (unless you're writing apps for Android).
Also the first implemented drivers for Android are the drivers for the MSM 7200 chipset, so we can expect a boost in overall performance for a change.

gnick666 said:
The SKD and the real Android distro are and will be 2 different things.
It doesn't realy matter on which device you can port the SDK to, it'll stay the SDK and won't be a fully functional Android distro... Android will be able to run on any device that has a 200 MHz processor, 32 MB Flash memory and 32 MB RAM, and I doubt that the SDK is capeable of running whith these parameters.
So don't waste your time whith the SDK (unless you're writing apps for Android).
Also the first implemented drivers for Android are the drivers for the MSM 7200 chipset, so we can expect a boost in overall performance for a change.
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Now, this sounds great (for a change) ;-) So all we need to do is be a little patient? Too good to be true...
Where do you get all your info from btw? Is there any forum/page besides the Android page at google?

Elvez said:
Now, this sounds great (for a change) ;-) So all we need to do is be a little patient? Too good to be true...
Where do you get all your info from btw? Is there any forum/page besides the Android page at google?
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Oh, there are tons of forums, groups, pages about Android...
But here are some things for starters
http://www.helloandroid.com/node/22
http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=commit;h=e8fd56a303bf5e8f84af80999fa398eb8cc1d670
http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/
http://androidwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(mobile_phone_platform)

NICE! Thanks a lot! Will look into it!

Thanks for the info gnick!

Apad M70003 MIDI

Hi all. Just finished ordering this tablet that is currently running cupcake. Would love to root it and install a custom ROM. Any info on how I can achieve this?
Thanks in advance

offtopic... does the apad run any good? is it smooth?

Why is it off topic. It is a tablet that runs android. Do not have it yet so can't comment on how good or bad it runs.

i was asking an off topic question (i.e. not related to your question). guess i phrased my sentence wrongly. do post here on how well this device seems to perform.

I will. Thanks for your intrest.

You should of waited for the Notion's ADAM

I only paid $100.00 US for my tablet. This one is considerably more.

manfly9884 said:
I only paid $100.00 US for my tablet. This one is considerably more.
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hey could you pm me the site where you purchased it from?

could you update your main post with the specs that you ordered from? Apparently there are Apad clones with crappy processors instead of the rockchip processors

Dealextreme has it for cheap

dealextreme is the crap version. the proper apad is the one with rockchip in it. and i found out that the cheapest apad with rockchip is ~150usd

i have one of those too.
with the rockchip which actually is not to bad of a processor. nowhere near the A4 but ok to work with.
it's an ARM derivative and consists of a cpu and dsp(gpu).
i would also like to know if anybody has played with it yet.
i followed the android instructions of building a development envirnment and have the tablet actually show up in eclipse but where to go from here?
sorry for threadjacking a bit
i would first of all like to be able to upgrade android. if possible 2.2 or at least to 1.6.
the device has the upgrade locked.
the are also language option conflicts were suggestive text and some keyboard keys still show up in (i guess) Chinese.

It'll most likely be impossible to upgrade the apad to 2.1/2.2 as rockchip dsp isn't actually a gpu, its a video processor for videos only.
on another note i have decided to pass up on the apad as it doesn't seem that "future-proof" most likely will get this http://www.wiipad.us/product.php?id_product=11 unless better options come out in the next 1 month or so

does android 2.x require a specialized dedicated gpu?
the dsp is essentially a gpu, it is capable of playing 720p video.
it should be plenty for android 2.x to get around
so i can move files from the device to the pc.
i copied the data and system folder.
what to do now?

info5i2002 said:
It'll most likely be impossible to upgrade the apad to 2.1/2.2 as rockchip dsp isn't actually a gpu, its a video processor for videos only.
on another note i have decided to pass up on the apad as it doesn't seem that "future-proof" most likely will get this http://www.wiipad.us/product.php?id_product=11 unless better options come out in the next 1 month or so
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The wiipad seems to be a very nice tablet. But till they receive a proper review, for the money, I'll stick to my Apad.

manfly9884 said:
The wiipad seems to be a very nice tablet. But till they receive a proper review, for the money, I'll stick to my Apad.
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i like the look of the notion ink adam, i mean dual core processor

[email protected] said:
does android 2.x require a specialized dedicated gpu?
the dsp is essentially a gpu, it is capable of playing 720p video.
it should be plenty for android 2.x to get around
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Yeah but it decodes videos only, a gpu actually pumps out the graphics which is an intergral part of 2.1 onwards (also in the rockchip's specs i saw somewhere this chip does not support 2.1) The wiipad neno has a cortex a8 core which is similar to the ipad's processor so it is running on 2.1.
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i like the look of the notion ink adam, i mean dual core processor
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yeah notion ink is awesome but it's been delayed so long that it is not worth much with the impending competition. (unless they make it unbelievably cheaper)

ok i see
any hope for 1.6 at least? maybe 2.0?

yeah notion ink is awesome but it's been delayed so long that it is not worth much with the impending competition. (unless they make it unbelievably cheaper)
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But I just read on engadget its still expected in q3 and that's about the time I'm gonna be looking to buy one it could be perfect.
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ive been digging around at Apads for weeks.. and i havent really found one i was impressed with.. i thought about going with just something to play with a lil bit and get the EKEN m001 or w.e modle it is.. but i just couldnt get it at a price id be willing to shell out and be ok with.. but this wiipad.. with android 2.1 deff has my attention especially wit a 1ghz processor.. and with it having a 16gig nand flash at a price of 267.19 i will shell out the money.. cuz thats exactly what i want.. but i to will wait for more reviews on the product.. but please post what you think about the one you orderd OP cuz i am intrested in that one as well.. and can you PM me the site you got it from for 100$?? please and thank you.. and im very happy to see these Apads (android tablets) showing up in the forum!! i cant wait for a few devs to jump on board imagine the roms and custom stuff i feel like a kid ina candy store already

Open source driver for FIMG 3DSE (GPU of Galaxy 3)

I am posting here as I am not allowed to do so in development subforum.
Anyway, I am the developer of the OpenFIMG project (formerly GLES6410), which is aiming to provide proper OpenGL support on devices with FIMG 3DSE 3D engine, found in S3C6410, S5PC100 and probably also in S5P6442. The project is in a pretty advanced state as it is already capable of running Android 2.3 with hardware acceleration. Still many OpenGL extensions and some core features (like lighting) are still missing. More info can be found here: https://github.com/tom3q/openfimg/wiki.
It is very likely (and almost confirmed) that the SoC used in Galaxy 3 (S5P6442) contains the same GPU as the one in S3C6410, which is the chip inside Galaxy Spica and similar phones, at least basing on what Quadrant and GLbenchmark show and on GL libraries supposed to be dumped from Galaxy 3.
What I am trying to say is that my project may also be useful on Galaxy 3, but I am the only developer working on it and I am doing it in my free time, so it does not progress as fast as one may expect. In other words, I am looking for some other developers interested in this project.
If you are interested, then do not hesitate to drop me a PM.
Mod EDIT : moving this to development
EDIT: Attached some documents about FIMG 3DSE (based on S3C6410 documentation and my reverse engineering)
EDIT: The project has been successfully used on G3. Builds of ICS for G3 use OpenFIMG as primary graphics driver currently and there are update packages for CM7.

Very interesting .. I send you PM.

Galaxy 3 has no GPU.

mpbm23 said:
Galaxy 3 has no GPU.
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Based on what?
All my sources state that it has exactly the same FIMG 3DSE rev. 1.5 as in S3C6410.

Based on the fact that no site says that the I5800 has a GPU and that graphics on games are really laggy.
Unless you are not talking about a discrete GPU.

No mobile phone contains a discrete GPU. All of them are embedded inside some SoC chip, some are better (SGX, Adreno), some are worse (FIMG 3DSE).
It is exactly the same as with Spica and similar phones. Games are laggy because the hardware is not a speed daemon and the performance is even more impacted by really _broken_ drivers.

Then why nobody write that it has GPU like all the other phones like Galaxy S ,Nexus S etc?

mpbm23 said:
Then why nobody write that it has GPU like all the other phones like Galaxy S ,Nexus S etc?
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Because it is a low end phone, software support for this GPU is very bad and the GPU itself is not a speed daemon.

tom3q said:
Because it is a low end phone, software support for this GPU is very bad and the GPU itself is not a speed daemon.
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Okay..so your project involves developing real good drivers so that even the g3 low end gpu can perform better, right?
Sent from the 3rd Galaxy !

Yes. Of course, it will not work on par with Adreno 200 or similar GPUs, but should at least work a bit better. The main target is to run Android 2.3 (and future versions, which will not work will original drivers, because of missing extensions) with full hardware acceleration and without bugs found in Samsung drivers.

Hmmm.. Nice .. Good luck with your project.. One of our devs marcellusbe is working on porting CM7 to G3.. This would surely help him ..
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cool... if so this is gonna make new benchmark .. pun intended ... best of luck man.... I had thought of throwing this phone a long time back but you guys always give hopes... and ofcourse result..

Wow interesting!
This should be moved to dev section I have sent a PM to haree

Cool. So what can others help with?

Too interesting
I'ld like to help with whatever i can

I'll back you up in spirit, sorry,i know nothing about programming

VERY intresting!
and yes the galaxy 3 does have a gpu and yes it has been confirmed (or atleast i heard) that it has this gpu..cant wait to see the outcome!

Actually, I will need some people who would compile, test and eventually fix the code for Galaxy 3, because the only phone with this GPU I have is a Galaxy Spica (i5700) and there may be some subtle differences between them. (Especially in the kernel part, where kernel modules may require changing of some addresses or some other fragments of code.)
Preferably, I would like someone to help me with the project, but I understand this is not an easy task, so not everyone can apply.

I don't mind being a tester
Edit: also will we be able to play gameloft games and nfs shift?
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dilzo said:
I don't mind being a tester
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Nice, thanks.
However, you have to understand that it is not a simple drop-in replacement of standard GL libs. This project replaces the whole graphics subsystem of the phone, including some kernel modules and this makes testing a bit more complicated as it needs pretty big modification of the phone software.
If it is not a problem for you then ok.
dilzo said:
Edit: also will we be able to play gameloft games and nfs shift?
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It all depends if all the extensions required by these games will get implemented. Also, there may be some problems with screen resolution of Galaxy 3, which is a not standard one. I cannot give any claims regarding the performance as the real performance of this hardware is unknown.

Android 4.0 for a Lg optimus 3D

Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December

Virus711 said:
Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
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No........................

Virus711 said:
Hey people does anyone know if android 4.0 will be available for the Lg optimus 3D when it comes out around December
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almost had heartattack reading topic name :S
we dont have 2.3.3, and you are dreaming about 4.0?

Well let me read the cards...errrr
Some one is flying high. Anyways I can't see why not with a little magic of the dev community.
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i'm shire it will come also for o3d by lg or through the great developers in this forum.
but why do you what it already? maybe it's crap? i doubt it but maybe....
and one of the golden rules:
be patient, good things need their time

I wouldn't be surprised if 4.0 won't run on this phone due to the ram, even if it does its going to be well into next year before we get it, I would be surprised if we have it for next summer judging how far behind LG are now, this phone and the Optimus X2 should have launched with Gingerbread.

if cyanogen support this device, there will be 4.0 for us

the already support this device

typhex said:
if cyanogen support this device, there will be 4.0 for us
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but 3D will be useless without the drivers for the cameras and the screen

mmace said:
but 3D will be useless without the drivers for the cameras and the screen
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True but all the S3D core code it open to the devs thanks to TI as I understand it.
Also it's not even sure it's called 4.0, they haven't set a version number have they? and the number is just a indicator, the jump from 2.3 will be stuff like optimization in the system for dual core, and people still talking about too little RAM is just poppycock.
Most likely performance for the O3D will be better with Ice Cream Sandwich, might even beat all other phones as it's (so far) the only one with dual RAM and dual Channels which keeps the dual-core CPU from being bottlenecked by the rest of the system.

I have to admit, this talk of "ooooh it might not run version xx.yy of Android" or "ooooh what if the new uber fantastic app doesn't work because it ONLY has 512MB RAM" makes me laugh.
Why? Well lets look at what the problems have been in the past:
OS Partition is too small:
This was a problem when the OS was written to fit inside the small flash built-in to the CPU package. As the OS has gotten bigger this had to be solved one way or another. I'm not sure of the specifics, but I think its enough to say this is solved now.
Not enough RAM:
Fitting an advanced OS into 64MB or even 256MB of RAM is tricky, especially when the core OS is based on code from PCs with a lot more RAM than that and the luxury of a swap partition.
However 512MB was the turning point on PC where RAM became less of an issue and in the right configuration you could live without swap. So logically this should hold true, probably moreso, for Android. Because Android until recently was already running in 128MB/256MB without the advantage of swap space.
No Drivers:
Many are open source, we are also working with hardware a lot more standardised than it once was.
I can see from a glance that there are a lot of similarities between my N900 at the hardware level and the O3D. If you are dealing with devices that are basically upgrades of old hardware designs, drivers are a lot easier to deal with - especially if they are open source.
Lack of GPU or certain CPU instructions:
Many older devices could not handle newer Android because they lacked a proper GPU or the CPU did not have the right instructions. This is similar to what happened on PC for a while, when multimedia suddenly became big. Like on the PC once all these multimedia instructions became commonplace it was no longer really an issue. I believe we are at the same place now with high-end Android hardware.
So I really would be surprised to find a newer version of Android outright not be able to run on the O3D, for quite some time.

tegra 2 harmony video excelerated kernel

I was just wondering, the viewsonic gtablet is a tegra 2 harmony device and the guys at team drh have made a kernel for ics that is fully hardware excelerated so my question is since the g2x is a harmony device can the drh kernel be used as a base for a working g2x kernel with full video decoding just like the gtablet???

Harmony is for tablets. We have Ventana.
Closest best is the ZTE Mimosa X which has ICS and the Ventana. When it drops hopefully we can grab the drivers from there.

From the 2x side:
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If porting full working drivers were possible in any way from any device to make o2x runs with everything working on ics it should be done by now.. Al the things you are thinking now developers though about it long time ago... I'm developer myself.. Just not android developer.. I develop in assembler for microcontrollers as I am electronics engineer, and trust me there's nothing that I don't know about the chips I work on...
Every microcontroler (I'm specialist in microchip) has different libraries to access the different modules... As microchip produce open source libraries I can access all the functionalities in the processor and microchip provide the full pdf with the instructions set for every processor.. But even chips from the same family with a minimum variation like let's say pic18f478 to pic18f478a can have bunch of different modules with a bunch of different libraries...
So once I can develop a function out of the instructions set (what's called here from scratch) I can then develop a library wich I can call in my main software every time I want the processor execute an action... So in this case Nvidia won't provide their instructions set for their processors... They only provide libraries to oems... And oems can develop procedures and functions with these libraries...
That said Nvidia has no responsibilities here... Because no matter what os oems use the chips and the libraries are the same and the method to access chipset function won't change from one os to another... That's processor architecture and can not be modified..
LG has to re develop the function and procedures to work with the new os that is low level (assembler compiled) and embedded into the os... Those functions are way different from one device to another and it's not possible to use them unless it's the same exact chip family with no variants...
Devs here can not develop functions because they don't have access to the libraries... They only have access to the final product or what I could call the UI for developer.. And that's the DRIVERS..
That's it..
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Harmony is for tablets. We have Ventana.
Closest best is the ZTE Mimosa X which has ICS and the Ventana. When it drops hopefully we can grab the drivers from there.
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You mean this???
tonyp said:
Here is a high-speed mirror of the ROM: http://d-h.st/DDn
RC hasn't replied to me, yet.
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redmonke255 said:
Harmony is for tablets. We have Ventana.
Closest best is the ZTE Mimosa X which has ICS and the Ventana. When it drops hopefully we can grab the drivers from there.
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Are you sure about that everything i read said g2x was a harmony board and its not as simple as one is phone one is tablet the Motorola xoom is a ventana board i do believe its more to do with components like memory and amount of memory sound chips and how they are implemented together

Everything you've read is wrong then.
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#section_2
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redmonke255 said:
Everything you've read is wrong then.
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So why are the xoom and transformer tf101 referred to as ventana devices on this site in their own forums???

Big_Doodie said:
So why are the xoom and transformer tf101 referred to as ventana devices on this site in their own forums???
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Because the people saying it are misinformed. Ventana is the phone version, harmony is the tablet version.
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Is this of any use?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29622231&postcount=378

lehjr said:
Is this of any use?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29622231&postcount=378
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+1
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Can this really be it? Somebody confirm so I can save some $ for donations!

Please be useful... I'm praying right now.

Fingers crossed
Wouldn't that be wonderful!

gpmartinson said:
Wouldn't that be wonderful!
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It might make me keep my G2x a lil' bit longer

Recently released Tegra 2 drivers are for Linux (Ubuntu), and they're binary so they're virtually impossible to hack for Android without superhuman effort and skills and unlimited time.
Read from XDA post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26960631&postcount=1
and read the information at the Wikipedia site about Open Source and NVIDIA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_hardware_and_FOSS
and read the statement from NVIDIA
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ra-devices-as-long-as-their-manufacturers-do/
and read this statement by Ricardo Cerqueira:
https://plus.google.com/11504942893...jeUiS#115049428938715274412/posts/KycR8ZjeUiS
and read the Tegra Linux Driver Package release notes:
http://developer.download.nvidia.co...ux_Driver_Package_Release_Notes_R15_armhf.pdf

Core Memory said:
Recently released Tegra 2 drivers are for Linux (Ubuntu), and they're binary so they're virtually impossible to hack for Android without superhuman effort and skills and unlimited time.
Read from XDA post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26960631&postcount=1
and read the information at the Wikipedia site about Open Source and NVIDIA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_hardware_and_FOSS
and read the statement from NVIDIA
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ra-devices-as-long-as-their-manufacturers-do/
and read this statement by Ricardo Cerqueira:
https://plus.google.com/11504942893...jeUiS#115049428938715274412/posts/KycR8ZjeUiS
and read the Tegra Linux Driver Package release notes:
http://developer.download.nvidia.co...ux_Driver_Package_Release_Notes_R15_armhf.pdf
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Boooooo, I'm sad... again

Naive but
Not sure I get the problem...isn't android really a linux clone with less stuff? Wish I knew more about how this works.