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Looking to come from Evo4G to NS4G.... Pro-Cons?

Whats up fellas.
I know enough to NOT post a question asking "is the NS4G better than the Evo4G?" haha. What Im wondering is, what are keypoints on this phone? How is the battery life, whats up with the signal issue I keep seeing, any thing stand out thats better than the Evo4G? etc. thanks fellas.

mroneeyedboh said:
Whats up fellas.
I know enough to NOT post a question asking "is the NS4G better than the Evo4G?" haha. What Im wondering is, what are keypoints on this phone? How is the battery life, whats up with the signal issue I keep seeing, any thing stand out thats better than the Evo4G? etc. thanks fellas.
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Pros:
Pure Android
Faster Updates
Amazing Design
Curved Screen
SAMOLED
Very Fast
No Bloatware
Basically, this phone is what many custom roms are trying to reproduce.
Cons:
weaker camera
fewer options
fewer native codecs
Let me just say this. Sprint sent me an Evo 3D to replace my Nexus S 4G due to issues with my Airvana (signal booster). I activated the Evo 3D yesterday and switched back tot he Nexus last night. It's very difficult to replace the Nexus S 4G. It's a beautiful phone and it just works. You will be the first to get updates and it's very well built.
The Evo 3D was nice but, IMO not well built. I had 8 dead pixels and HUGE light leak on the bottom half of the screen. Even with the dual core my Nexus feels more responsive. The Nexus also feels better in my hand and I just love the curved screen. I'm not knocking the Evo 3D at all but even with the better specs, it still doesn't touch the Nexus S.... That's just my opinion.

Nice.. i dont have the 3g though, I have the Evo4G.. ( first evo )

Yeah he knows that lol but the 3d has better specs then the 4g and he still prefers the nexus
mroneeyedboh said:
Nice.. i dont have the 3g though, I have the Evo4G.. ( first evo )
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Ahh, see even I dont know that haha.

castro08 said:
Yeah he knows that lol but the 3d has better specs then the 4g and he still prefers the nexus
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Yeah I realize that you have the Evo 4G. My point was that I was using a an Evo 3D (and it was free) and I will take my Nexus over that any day. GS II would be the next phone that I would look at. But dual core is over rated for a phone, IMO.
I would like to see some improvements to the Nexus, especially with the camera but that is far from a deal breaker.

The radios in the ns4g are pieces of junk! they just dont work!

Think its time, almost decided to sell the charge

I've tried, Debated, installed, formated, reinstalled, reflashed....every different ROM / kernal / radio that I can find on the internet for this phone.
Its a great phone for a user that will NEVER want anything more than a Phone....but......
.....I turned on my INCREDIBLE today and updated it to the latest MIUI and just generally brought it back to current ROM technology and was just amazed...
...so like I said...I gave the Charge a shot, nobody got behind it like I hoped and i'll sell it...use the incredible til I decide on weather or not to get the nexus prime, or I dare say it an iPhone (highly unlikely) but i'm tired of all the fragmentation in the droid world...was WAY WAY WAY better when there were just 5 or 6 "KINGS" out there....
I really don't know what the carriers or device makers are thinking...did apple's success on ONE device not teach the industry anything? Its a better model long term...PICK ONE maybe a few...but jesus...30 phones a year is ridiculous...does nothing besided upset your customers that you captured from a very real competitor....that is dagerous.
I'm still android...I just hope the nexus prime gets a HUGE following....just want a following that my Incredible still seems to have...but it is falling.
Anyway...i'm rambling and frustrated that my year and a half old phone can outperform my 4 month old phone in EVERY category but one 4G, which I can live without.
Haven't made the decision complete yet....but I just don't know what else to do...anybody feel the same?

Definitely feel the same man. Especially with soooooo many phones being released. Quality, not quantity.
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Crazy you did this. I just traded my Charge for the Incredible 2 today to keep as my backup to the galaxy nexus. Charge got pretty pathetic.

Only outperforms because of 4g? Forgotten about our better screen, hdmi out, better camera and better audio chip, have we?
I definitely understand where you're coming from though. I used to have a fascinate which ended up getting all that good aosp stuff and for that reason (along with the form factor) part of me does regret switching the two.
I plan on doing something similar by selling the charge and using an old smartphone (Htc vogue with cm7 b*tch!) before getting the GN.
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Yup same deal. This phone has a nice screen.. thatsit. M wife has my old incredible and I keep it up to date for her. Its so much better. It is the amoled one and it rocks. Ya charge has hdmi out.. when was the last time any of you actually used it for a purpose other than showing it off? Lol.
But why the nexus? Its another samsung ..been dissapointed with all samsungs so far. Who cares about ics . We are flashers we don't care about stock software. Besides.. I like gps's that work.. u know what im talking about.
The htc rezound is what im going for... gonna go back go my htc roots. Like you said.. the incredible has a huge following. Htc sense is bad ass and 3.5 is going to be sense sweetness. Before december there will be an ics rom for it..
Im done with samdung.....
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It would be nice to see something new and refreshed come out for this phone. Seems like most of the dev support we had jumped ship to the bionic.
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I stick with this ****burglar of a phone because Ev-DO is garbage in my area whereas LTE is actually pretty easy to get ahold of. Also, I love having a Wolfson DAC and Voodoo Sound.
I got my buddy onto a DroidInc with CM and he really loves it, but it wouldn't have been the right decision for me. I'm paying Verizon prices for LTE, and it's pretty clear that being forced to tolerate a heaping helping of Samsung's incompetence is collateral damage from that choice.
In a year or whatever when this phone has finally evolved into a seasoned specimen that runs CM properly and is way out of the limelight, it will be seen positively -- people will be quick to recommend it as a solid phone with LTE, a good DAC, and a non-PenTile AMOLED screen that you can pick up on craigslist for about a hundred bucks.
"Just make sure you load CyanogenMod as soon as you get it home," they'll say. "The stock software is really a mess."
It's just too bad that most of us here voluntarily subsidized this flaming leprosy parade for $250+ and a monster contract.

The Charge is only my second Android phone. The Fascinate was my first. Although my experience is only based on Samsung, I still think Samsung offers superb phones and I will continue to buy them. I've played around with other phones. My brother had an old Eris and a buddy had an EVO off Sprint. I like the screens on Samsung better and I like how easy it is to Flash Roms. Its true that official OS releases are slow but I blame Verizon more than Samsung. Maybe I'm just lucky but I haven't had too many issues with my Charge and like it. I've enjoyed the screen, the audio, the physical buttons, and my phone runs pretty fast with lagfix. I have this phone tweaked out pretty good. Yes, it would be nice to have also but can't complain too much how it is running at present. I've experienced virtually none of the problems others report. I haven't had to turn my phone in to Verizon tech or anything .....same phone I got from the get go. I'm not oblivious to some of the complaints. I just don't have any of my own really. I like it although I will be going to the Nexus as soon as it comes out but not based on a dislike of my Charge. I just like to upgrade every year.

SOTK said:
I like the screens on Samsung better and I like how easy it is to Flash Roms.
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Yes screens on sammys are awesome. But easy to flash roms? No.its not hard I guess.. but compared to other phones its a *****.
Take the dinc for isntance. All roms flashes through rom manager. You have 50+ roms all instantly available to you. With the push of a single button you can load a new rom... don't like it and want your old one back? No problem push another button and go right back to what you were just running
Hell you could have a differrent rom for every day of the week if you wanted. Do a little playing with the other heavy hitting smartphones. Real playing .. buy one.. own it. Use it as your own. And you will agree.
The sole reason I got the samsung was so I could have first hand experience with one. I like to know about everything out there based on my own opinions and not others. I had friends with samsungs.. the captivate and the fascinate and one with the infuse. So I got the charge to see what the fuss was about.
The result of 6 months of ownership? Nice screen... the rest is **** tho
I've tried and tried to like it.. if there weren't so many other phones that were better, it would be a fantastic phone..
Samsung has disappointed me with their android devices. Just google "samsung gps problems". If your phone doesn't lock in <5 sec inside your house using standalone gps accurate to 3 feet.. why not? The other phones on the market do. Hell this one has actually locked on my position.. accurate to 10 feet.. and been moving with me down the road.. the only problem was it had me 500 miles away.. how is that even possible lol.
Ya.. this will be the last samsung phone I own. Will only own samsung tvs tho
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kalibar said:
people will be quick to recommend it as a solid phone with LTE, a good DAC, and a non-PenTile AMOLED screen that you can pick up on craigslist for about a hundred bucks
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The nexus has a pentile screen...
http://www.onlykent.com/20111021/samsung-galaxy-nexus-display-is-pentile-disappointed-dont-be/
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msticlaru said:
The nexus has a pentile screen...
http://www.onlykent.com/20111021/samsung-galaxy-nexus-display-is-pentile-disappointed-dont-be/
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He's talking about the charge. No pentile here, folks.
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msticlaru said:
The nexus has a pentile screen...
http://www.onlykent.com/20111021/samsung-galaxy-nexus-display-is-pentile-disappointed-dont-be/
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He was referring to Super AMOLED Plus. And yes, Nexus has pentile, but from the reports that I've read, higher resolution at 720p seems to cover that up.

fortesquieu said:
He was referring to Super AMOLED Plus. And yes, Nexus has pentile, but from the reports that I've read, higher resolution at 720p seems to cover that up.
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You can't see a sub pixel arranment when there's more subpixels per inch than the human eye can detect. People who are fussing about it are retarded
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I simply noted it because he specifically refered to it while also saying the prime would be his next choice. I saw contradiction and called it.
I think people are blinded by ics. The hardware is crap in comparison to others.
Take a read here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284463&page=27
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Yeah the screen on the Galaxy Nexus is going to be completely fine, I was referring to the Droid Charge's non-PenTile as a perk compared to other similiarly-valued Verizon devices -- specifically, the Bionic, the X2, the Fascinate, and the first-revision DroidInc.
I have the sneaking suspicion that once the Galaxy Nexus hits you're going to be able to buy secondhand Bionics, Charges, and Thunderbolts for pretty equivalent low prices. The GN looks killer, but its existence isn't going to retroactively remove lovely hardware features (S-AMOLED+, Voodoo Sound) from the Charge. And the Charge certainly sucks now, but it's only going to get better with time.
Funny how the people who pay the highest prices get the ****tiest experience, and the ones who saunter in a year late after the wonderful development community has beaten the phone into something usable get the best experience for the lowest price.

kalibar said:
Funny how the people who pay the highest prices get the ****tiest experience, and the ones who saunter in a year late after the wonderful development community has beaten the phone into something usable get the best experience for the lowest price.
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That's what we get for being early adopters lol.
My phone "isn't charging very well" and I have a new one being mailed to me. So now my ebay listing will be for a "new droid charge" instead of a used one. Should pull 500 easy. Plenty to buy a rezound or prime off contract
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msticlaru said:
My phone "isn't charging very well" and I have a new one being mailed to me. So now my ebay listing will be for a "new droid charge" instead of a used one. Should pull 500 easy.
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That's adorable that you think that. You'll get $250 tops.
The **** is a sunk cost, bros.

msticlaru said:
I simply noted it because he specifically refered to it while also saying the prime would be his next choice. I saw contradiction and called it.
I think people are blinded by ics. The hardware is crap in comparison to others.
Take a read here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284463&page=27
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Hardware is crap? Lololol.
So people are disappointed it's not a quad core phone with an 8mp camera, no sd card slot, no Exynos chip, and no keyboard(Wtf?). Seriously, the specs on the Galaxy Nexus are top notch. People just complain because it's not what they dreamed of.
Let's break it down.
-Galaxy Nexus has a 5mp camera. "o noes! No super high rez 8mp shooter!!!11! " Megapixels don't mean much. Example: the iPhone 4's and Galaxy S' 5mp cameras destroyed the Droid X's and Evo's 8mp camera. What mainly matters is the sensor.
-It has a TI OMAP 4460(I think) processor with an overclocked gpu. Almost no apps on the Market are optimized for multiple core processors. Up until recently, even our OS didn't take advantage of them. I think this is plenty.
-HD Super Amoled is pentile. Big whoop. With that pixel density, no one will notice. Let's see, what would you prefer? An HD Super Amoled screen or a slightly inferior S-LCD HD screen? Both will most likely have similar pixel densities.
-No SD card slot. How many times do you remove your SD card? I thought so.
-It has a barometer. Why? To get even more accurate GPS readings.
The only thing I hope for is that it has a great DAC like the Galaxy S and Droid Charge.

kalibar said:
That's adorable that you think that. You'll get $250 tops.
The **** is a sunk cost, bros.
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Ended 3 days ago
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Box-Sam...0626667809?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4cfae29521
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DirgeExtinction said:
Hardware is crap? Lololol.
So people are disappointed it's not a quad core phone with an 8mp camera, no sd card slot, no Exynos chip, and no keyboard(Wtf?). Seriously, the specs on the Galaxy Nexus are top notch. People just complain because it's not what they dreamed of.
Let's break it down.
-Galaxy Nexus has a 5mp camera. "o noes! No super high rez 8mp shooter!!!11! " Megapixels don't mean much. Example: the iPhone 4's and Galaxy S' 5mp cameras destroyed the Droid X's and Evo's 8mp camera. What mainly matters is the sensor.
-It has a TI OMAP 4460(I think) processor with an overclocked gpu. Almost no apps on the Market are optimized for multiple core processors. Up until recently, even our OS didn't take advantage of them. I think this is plenty.
-HD Super Amoled is pentile. Big whoop. With that pixel density, no one will notice. Let's see, what would you prefer? An HD Super Amoled screen or a slightly inferior S-LCD HD screen? Both will most likely have similar pixel densities.
-No SD card slot. How many times do you remove your SD card? I thought so.
-It has a barometer. Why? To get even more accurate GPS readings.
The only thing I hope for is that it has a great DAC like the Galaxy S and Droid Charge.
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If it was an htc phone with the same specs id be on it.
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Why no Atrix. 2?

No forum for the Atrix 2 on xda? There's already one for the razor and its not even out yet. The A2 is a great phone. Why no love?
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ogdroid said:
No forum for the Atrix 2 on xda? There's already one for the razor and its not even out yet. The A2 is a great phone. Why no love?
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perhaps because the atrix was so bad they're denying that there was ever a sequel... Kinda like they should've done with the grudge.

no idea
people were all over the original atrix, even though it used that terrible pentile display(to each his own). i have used the atrix 2 and it is awesome, beter lcd screen, better specs, better look, and only 100 dollars?. there will be a forum soon enough

antdawg702 said:
people were all over the original atrix, even though it used that terrible pentile display(to each his own). i have used the atrix 2 and it is awesome, beter lcd screen, better specs, better look, and only 100 dollars?. there will be a forum soon enough
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I'm sure there will, I was just kidding. The atrix just had a plethora of software issues.

The atrix 2 seems like a waste to me. Why do you want an "updated" atrix that has the same stats as the original and less memory? Seems like a rip-off to me.

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Water of time? Don't see how. Internal storage being reduced doesn't seem like a deal breaker to me. Great display, omap processor, good camera, and great battery life. And for only 99.99? Can't go wrong.
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Atrix 2 real world speed is a Big + than the OG Atrix. My friend has the og atrix and i hate that thing! Finger scanner dont work, its slooooooow, i mean he done reset, root and flashed a rom, every kind of nick and nack and the phone is still slow! I got a g2x and it dont even feel like the atrix has tegra 2 processors! I know the g2x is vanilla, but STILL. Im going to att, after my month is up with T-Horrible, and its either the atrix 2 or the SGS2? But right now the a2 looking like a winner!

The Atrix 2 is a good phone. The screen alone is worthy of an upgraded model. I lost my Atrix 1 and bought an Atrix 2, it's a superior phone, but almost no development is happening right now because xda won't open a forum.

be sure to vote for atrix 2 forum here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1301121

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The atrix just had a plethora of software issues.
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Please elaborate
I've had my Atrix 2 for a week now, got mine from Best Buy for $49.99 w/2yr contract. Also picked up an Atrix 4g for my son for $29.99 last night. Here are my thoughts
I have played with all the Android phones AT&T carries other than the SGSII which they didn't have in my local store and the Atrix 2 is superior to any of them. The phone is very fast and snappy and has no lag at all, even when running multiple apps simultaneously. The screen being as large as it is, 4.3", doesn't make the phone itself overly large or feeling as if you're holding a brick. The device is comfortable to hold, feels well made and looks very classy with the beveled Gorilla glass screen and black chrome looking trim around the topside outer edge of the phone.
The hardware stacks up well against other high end Android phones with it's 1GHz dual core TI OMAP 4430 CPU and PowerVR SGX 540 GPU, 1GB RAM, 8mp rear camera that records in 1080p, 1.3mp front camera, 4.3" qHD display sporting 540 X 960 resolution. I'm coming from a decent Android device, the SE X10 which I rooted, debranded and was running Wolfbreaks Xperia GB rom v6.0....there still isn't a root available for my phone yet and there is very little that my X10 could do that my A2 can't. I've already gotten rid of the bloatware, changed the launcher, changed the lockscreen, installed custom icons for things like dialer, camera, browser, etc., and can take screenshots too. Hard to imagine this phone can get any better than what it already is......until we get ICS at least

We now have root!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305318
Please admins we need a forum.
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Atrix 2 coming this week.

svetius said:
Atrix 2 coming this week.
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THANK YOU!
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svetius said:
Atrix 2 coming this week.
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Yes!!!!! Thank you
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T-Mobile SGS2 vs G2x VS Sensation?

So I've narrowed my choices down to the Sensation 4G, SGS2, And G2X.
I was a EVO 4G, and EVO 3D owner from sprint, thats why the Sensation is up their. As a tech guy, not having a phone is killing me on the inside. I REALLY like the SGS2 with its huge and vibrant screen. But the G2x is MUCH cheaper (I'm a student and I have really no credit, I have to pay $200 deposit w/ any contract) and the G2x specs don't look too bad, no 4G though ): I tested the 4G in my area at the local store and got ~22mb/s at the store on the demo phone... Could probably get even better... I can wait until next week for the extra $$$ to get the SGS2 (I do have enough for it now, but not for everything else and diving into my savings is a big no-no for me). Whats the cyanogen community like for these 2 phones? I WILL be putting it on either phone... I know CES is in a few days, but its not like a Tegra 3 phone will be coming out anytime soon. The Tmobile SGS2 has the snapdragon S3 CPU/GPU, the G2x is Tegra 2 while the Sensation is the S2? If anybody has owned any of these phones and can tell me about using them, that would be great. I need the pro's and cons and cons and the hidden problems.

I have the G2x which i absolutely love!! No Problems whatsoever, lots of development too. However if I had a choice i would probably get the SGS2. Just because It looks Awesome! i see/feel no big difference in perfomance personally when i played with it in the store, but that again was only in the store. As im sure youve read, there are a few G2x's out there that have there issues, screen bleed (minor) Reboots (sucks), etc. I was blessed to have one with zero issues, ive heard that the update that now rolls out stock out of the box has fixed the issues. either way, the G2x is rock solid for me ive owned it since June, and have put everything from CM7, EB, Weapon and everything in between, I really love how Weapon G2x is and use it as my daily.

I would say Sensation. Build quality, more development, and QHD screen
It has the same CPU as the SGS2 BTW (S3) It has better support for Cyanogenmod also
If the tmo SGS2 had a Exynos cpu, I would have chosen it.

Don't listen to the bias fanboy...get the SGSII. Read the official review on androidcentral...they notice no difference between the international SGSII and the T-mobile version. Oh wait..they did notice the bigger more beatiful screen!

lowandbehold said:
Don't listen to the bias fanboy...get the SGSII. Read the official review on androidcentral...they notice no difference between the international SGSII and the T-mobile version. Oh wait..they did notice the bigger more beatiful screen!
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Don't forget the faster processor ._. Snapdragon S3>Tegra 2*IMO
mike21pr said:
I would say Sensation. Build quality, more development, and QHD screen
It has the same CPU as the SGS2 BTW (S3) It has better support for Cyanogenmod also
If the tmo SGS2 had a Exynos cpu, I would have chosen it.
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Unless you see something I do not, just looked at the sensation forum at cyanogenmod forum, and there isn't even an Alpha for cm7 officially out for it...
Although the T989 isn't even officially supported at all either....

I got sensation cause of quality. Too plastic with samsung for me but both are great phones. Go to a store and try them out. If you only wanna go for hardware go for sgs2.

I just switched from a HTC Nexus running CM7 nightlies, to a T-Mobile SGS2 on Friday. Disappointed in the ROMs that are out there now and general lack of development - I'd done some half ass'd research before picking it up, I was looking at it and the Amaze 4g, and thought it had some better support.
That being said, rooted, put Clockwork and flashed Juggernaught on it Friday night, it has been working flawlessly. I would highly recommend it.

ihellion said:
I just switched from a HTC Nexus running CM7 nightlies, to a T-Mobile SGS2 on Friday. Disappointed in the ROMs that are out there now and general lack of development - I'd done some half ass'd research before picking it up, I was looking at it and the Amaze 4g, and thought it had some better support.
That being said, rooted, put Clockwork and flashed Juggernaught on it Friday night, it has been working flawlessly. I would highly recommend it.
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Juggernaunt added alot of cm features from touchwiz. I am using it myself. Since besides the cm alpha from slayher the rest of the roms are kang from juggernaunt. I think slayher had a post that cm9 is in development now.
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Juggernaunt added alot of cm features from touchwiz. I am using it myself. Since besides the cm alpha from slayher the rest of the roms are kang from juggernaunt. I think slayher had a post that cm9 is in development now.
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I've heard the rumors of CM9, and the supposed facebook posts, but I haven't been able to find anything substantiating it. I hope so, I'd love to get some CM ICS love on.

ihellion said:
I've heard the rumors of CM9, and the supposed facebook posts, but I haven't been able to find anything substantiating it. I hope so, I'd love to get some CM ICS love on.
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The only two post i can find is this one https://plus.google.com/u/0/109781780227026386444/posts/ADMfb7WbFe5
And https://twitter.com/#!/ciwrl/status/143466669103259649

Killbynature said:
The only two post i can find is this one
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More than I found, thanks.

Galaxy S2 hands down, wins this
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lowandbehold said:
Don't listen to the bias fanboy...get the SGSII. Read the official review on androidcentral...they notice no difference between the international SGSII and the T-mobile version. Oh wait..they did notice the bigger more beatiful screen!
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seriously?
800x480 on a 4.5" screen is good for you?
to me a true SGS2 is the international version.
what the hell were executives at Tmous thinking?
atleast with the Senny you get a higher resolution screen and good build quality.
for crying out loud...

I was very close to getting a Sensation...until I found out half the phones have dust issues due to a manufacturing defect.
Knowing that, I just had to go with an AMOLED screen (no dust issues). I didn't feel like spending $500 on a SSG2, so I just bought a Vibrant for $180 on eBay. I get to play with ICS and the phone's not too bad.
I also don't think I can go back to an LCD phone ever again. lol

Mainspring said:
seriously?
800x480 on a 4.5" screen is good for you?
to me a true SGS2 is the international version.
what the hell were executives at Tmous thinking?
atleast with the Senny you get a higher resolution screen and good build quality.
for crying out loud...
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There is not a big difference in resolution from qhd to 800x480. I don't know why people act like your using vga resolution stretched out on a 60 inch screen. Also the htc has had ridiculous hardware failures. Like dust underneath the screen and two different manufacturers for screens. The power button has also been know to sink in. Just because it's made out of metal doesn't mean it's a better phone.
If you want more development go with the sensation if you want a big phone with less development go with Samsung galaxy s2.
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Killbynature said:
There is not a big difference in resolution from qhd to 800x480. I don't know why people act like your using vga resolution stretched out on a 60 inch screen. Also the htc has had ridiculous hardware failures. Like dust underneath the screen and two different manufacturers for screens. The power button has also been know to sink in. Just because it's made out of metal doesn't mean it's a better phone.
If you want more development go with the sensation if you want a big phone with less development go with Samsung galaxy s2.
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noticeable when reading ebooks or text in general.
also, edges are crisper on pics in general, less pixelation too.
I notice these things and it would drive me nuts. (one of the reasons why I opted for the Senny instead of the SGS2)
perhaps some people can't... way the human eye perceive things differ slightly I guess from person to person.
anyway, I've had zero issues with my phone. no dust under the screen, no issues with my power or volume button.
amount of defects are actually far less then it really is I would bet.
it's just people that have problems are vocal whereas people do not aren't.
from what I read, HTC has fixed all the issues. just the initial run had some I guess.
mine is from the first run. pre-ordered and received the day of release.

lowandbehold said:
Don't listen to the bias fanboy...get the SGSII. Read the official review on androidcentral...they notice no difference between the international SGSII and the T-mobile version. Oh wait..they did notice the bigger more beatiful screen!
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Uhh, yes there is. Completely different processor. You have a 1.5 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon instead of the Exynos in the Sprint, AT&T, and International version. While it's no slouch, it doesn't even come close to the Exynos in terms of GPU capabilities. If you're gonna get the GSII, get a REAL GSII. No disrespect, it's a great phone and I'm sure has a great community, but again, completely different internals. It doesn't have the Mali 400 GPU.

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Uhh, yes there is. Completely different processor. You have a 1.5 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon instead of the Exynos in the Sprint, AT&T, and International version. While it's no slouch, it doesn't even come close to the Exynos in terms of GPU capabilities. If you're gonna get the GSII, get a REAL GSII. No disrespect, it's a great phone and I'm sure has a great community, but again, completely different internals. It doesn't have the Mali 400 GPU.
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He said they didn't notice any difference, he didn't say that there wasn't a difference. The 1.5 gHz Qualcomm vs. the 1.2 gHz Exynos was pretty close/the same in day to day usage, doesn't mean it will in benchmark tests.

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There is not a big difference in resolution from qhd to 800x480. I don't know why people act like your using vga resolution stretched out on a 60 inch screen. Also the htc has had ridiculous hardware failures. Like dust underneath the screen and two different manufacturers for screens. The power button has also been know to sink in. Just because it's made out of metal doesn't mean it's a better phone.
If you want more development go with the sensation if you want a big phone with less development go with Samsung galaxy s2.
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also, super amoled plus is FAR FAR FAR supperior to htc lcd pannels

minnime007 said:
also, super amoled plus is FAR FAR FAR supperior to htc lcd pannels
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in what way may I ask?

New possible QWERTY successor

http://www.tmonews.com/2012/09/t-mobile-announces-the-galaxy-s-relay-4g-qwerty-keyboard-and-all/
A lot of us here on XDA have been anticipating this phone's release. Turns out the specs are almost the same as our old MT4GS. Let your anger out here if you wish OR are some going for it anyways? Also, looks like Tmo USA is getting the Note 2. Are some gonna just hope on that instead? If any touch screen device can replace a QWERTY, its definitely the Note. Plenty of screen real estate for typing. What do you guys think?
UPDATE:
Seems like tmobile made a mistake. Surprise surprise!
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/09/t-mobile-confirms-snapdragon-s4-chip-inside-galaxy-s-relay-4g/
Still lacks a decent camera (I know MP don't mean everything. Lens quality and image processor matter much more.), extra ram, etc.... I may wait for the Note 2, the alleged 5 Nexuseseses, blah blah blah before deciding for sure. I still am enjoying my DS especially since CM9 runs butter smooth and flawless now

I don't see any advantage on this other than having support from tmobile & has official ICS ROM. Also does this have FM Radio? I only hunt phones with qwerty keyboard and FM radio prebuilt

Riyal said:
I don't see any advantage on this other than having support from tmobile & has official ICS ROM. Also does this have FM Radio? I only hunt phones with qwerty keyboard and FM radio prebuilt
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I agree... guess I should have clarified in the op that the original guess/rumor was that this phone would have 720 HD 4" screen and a S4 processor. That's why I posted the release info cause it was such a downer plus a few of us had been waiting on confirmation here. I'm not sure if Samsung normally has FM radio though. I'm using stuff like Sirius XM/Pandora so I hardly touch that FM dial anymore. It seems like this is a lower mid range model instead of the SGSIII with a keyboard that it was rumored to be

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I agree... guess I should have clarified in the op that the original guess/rumor was that this phone would have 720 HD 4" screen and a S4 processor. That's why I posted the release info cause it was such a downer plus a few of us had been waiting on confirmation here. I'm not sure if Samsung normally has FM radio though. I'm using stuff like Sirius XM/Pandora so I hardly touch that FM dial anymore. It seems like this is a lower mid range model instead of the SGSIII with a keyboard that it was rumored to be
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galaxy S Series has FM Radios built into them that's why I asked.
difference in performance between s3 & s4 processors is just 15%. The 1GB RAM & 4inch display seems to be catchy but keeps me thinking if the 15% processing power + 250mb addin ram would convince me in spending another few hundred bucks?
The 4inch screen is a turn off for me I find 3.7 perfect already.
Also what about the camera?
And regarding NFC I don't find it very useful(at least in our country where most people are still stuck with no OS phones.
So... For me unless I render my phone unuseable or a new phone has something which would make a big difference compared to my current phone I guess I'll be sticking with my current one.

Riyal said:
galaxy S Series has FM Radios built into them that's why I asked.
difference in performance between s3 & s4 processors is just 15%. The 1GB RAM & 4inch display seems to be catchy but keeps me thinking if the 15% processing power + 250mb addin ram would convince me in spending another few hundred bucks?
The 4inch screen is a turn off for me I find 3.7 perfect already.
Also what about the camera?
And regarding NFC I don't find it very useful(at least in our country where most people are still stuck with no OS phones.
So... For me unless I render my phone unuseable or a new phone has something which would make a big difference compared to my current phone I guess I'll be sticking with my current one.
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Hehehhe! I hear ya... I was more interested in the S4's power saving/gpu improvement vs the cpu performance. I've heard that range from 15 to 30% I guess it just depends on each application, really... I think 4" is the perfect size for a qwerty. I'd might even like to see bigger lol! (Probably would a huge ass brick, right?) Yeah, I don't know much about Samsung (had no idea about the FM on the Galaxy models) but as long as HTC keeps the attitude that qwertys are dead... Samsung is my second choice, I guess. I'm still liking my DS for now. My contract is up in October and this was gonna be my upgrade. Oh well... I'll hang around for the next or pick up that Note 2. NFC hasn't really picked up anywhere even in the old USA. Well, maybe a few of the bigger cities use them more so... I don't know.

I might still want to jump ship to the Samsung slider.
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Since my MT4GS is less than 1 year old, I'm going to wait until the next Nexus debuts. I've decided that from now on I will only buy Nexus products. I'm sick of the bull**** from HTC and other manufacturers and their lame-ass excuses for not producing an update. HTC can suck my ***. I will miss Sense UI, though. I'm one of the few, it seems, that prefers how Sense works and looks.

I will probably getting the Note. Now that my phone got bricked about two months ago by the faulty recovery and all HTC has been doing of late is churning out excuses instead of making updates for this device.
I will shelve my brick so it works as a reminder that I shoudl never buy another HTC device again.

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I will probably getting the Note. Now that my phone got bricked about two months ago by the faulty recovery and all HTC has been doing of late is churning out excuses instead of making updates for this device.
I will shelve my brick so it works as a reminder that I shoudl never buy another HTC device again.
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Sorry man I have been so busy as of lately, ill pm you my address if you still wanna send it so we can get on HTC about fixing
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strapped365 said:
Sorry man I have been so busy as of lately, ill pm you my address if you still wanna send it so we can get on HTC about fixing
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Thanks for the PM. I understand. I am actually just disappointed in HTC for making devs jump through so many hurdles to get anything done on this device, and further frustrate them by not releasing source. The only reason why their sales are suffering is because they don't listen.
I have been reading up on the problem and looking through the forums to see what other devices used to fix this problem. And with Samsung it was simply restocking with odin or using heimdal tool.
I will definitely be sending it because I love its camera to bits. It really takes good photos. Once my friend put his OneX up against my MT4GS and it ended up taking better close ups than the OneX because it seemed to have a better auto focus.
I will be saving up for the first note to replace my G2(which has seen better days) if I manage to get this fixed.
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I'd say the Photon would be the qwerty to beat, but our camera sorta owns most, if not all, mobile devices right now.

FifteesGlasses said:
I'd say the Photon would be the qwerty to beat, but our camera sorta owns most, if not all, mobile devices right now.
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Unlocked bootloader +1
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This device is pretty epic. I can live with a 5mpx camera no problem. It's a really nice looking device. I've grown tired with Sense, and HTC in general. BUT Walmart is now selling the TMO version on GSII. It's off contract, and only 300 bucks. That's a deal.

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Hmmm... Seems like the specs are conflicting still. Check this out: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-T699DABTMB-specs It clearly shows the MSM8260A as the processor type which is a S4. Confirm that here: http://www.qualcomm.com/chipsets/snapdragon However, David (tmonews editor) is still claiming that both his press releases (tmobile and samsung) show the device having the S3. Someone screwed up big time lol! I feel that only a S4 makes sense at time but I guess its still a mystery?!

I am very interested in this new keyboard Galaxy, hopefully an GalaxySIII variant with S4 or Tegra3 chipset.
two key reasons: the Doubleshot is a rare device and never sold outside USA, so here in the UK I'm living on luck in terms of support of UK/European 3G operators.
secondly: five row keyboard.
also hoping for good performance without battery compromise. I am actively using my DShot for about three hours a day (starting about 7:30am over breakfast, on the bus into work and back, and a while in the evening before bed at 11:30pm) and the battery is usually exhausted!

If you're still using the stock battery that's at least part of the problem. If you were to get an Anker or Mugen battery and run a debloated version of the stock ROM so you could keep your original camera and it's functions you'd really see a difference. I sure did.

Having a 5 row qwerty again sure would be nice.
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imo, the only reason why the DS didn't do so well is because HTC didn't release an international version.
Well people would have complained about the keyboard, but eventually would have gotten used to it.
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I don't know if this is relevant here but here are the views of the G2 owners on the same
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1837559
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cybot_x1024 said:
imo, the only reason why the DS didn't do so well is because HTC didn't release an international version.
Well people would have complained about the keyboard, but eventually would have gotten used to it.
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I don't know if this is relevant here but here are the views of the G2 owners on the same
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1837559
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Totally relevant! It's nice to see my old brothers in the G2 section lol! And I couldn't agree with ya more... this device would have been huge with the dual core processor qwerty and bad ass camera (that is STILL one the best around!)

It will be quite some time, before dev action pics up on that device (if ever). So jumping into that phone right now would be a bad idea, unless you want to dev.
It's been a little more than a year since the DS came out, and we now have many roms to choose from. So think of how long this will take
Does anyone know if the internals of this new phone are based on the internals of another Galaxy phone? That would make porting a lot easier and also speed up devving.
But by the looks of it, I am liking this phone design a lot. Has everything I need, including a trackpad. Now, as long as they keep the physical size down, I may consider getting one.

gtmaster303 said:
It will be quite some time, before dev action pics up on that device (if ever). So jumping into that phone right now would be a bad idea, unless you want to dev.
It's been a little more than a year since the DS came out, and we now have many roms to choose from. So think of how long this will take
Does anyone know if the internals of this new phone are based on the internals of another Galaxy phone? That would make porting a lot easier and also speed up devving.
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The phone is not yet released so can't really say. But judging by the hardware specs. It looks like a SGS II.
Regarding development support... There's already SGS III which obviously is 1 fold greater than this device + relay 4g is also a tmobile exclusive. I don't see any samsung devs downgrading just to support this device(except maybe dedicated community devs like cyanogenmod etc.). For all I know the only persons which will be attracted on this device are keyboard enthusiasts like me. But I just got a mt4gs & relay 4g isn't that of a big difference with mt4gs anyways. So I'll pass on this phone for now. And if ever I decided to go samsung with qwerty I would rather choose samsung captivate glide instead. At least the specs are far more superior than relay 4g.
Tegra 2 = Cortex A9 Processor
Snapdragon S3 = Cortex A8 Processor
It's like a 1.5ghz celeron processor vs a 1ghz Pentium 4
And by the way Samsung captivate glide isn't even officially supported by cyanogenmod. So relay 4g being a much lower spec'd device do you think they'd get alot more support than captivate glide?
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4914&idPhone2=4071
See what I mean? Captivate glide is also getting official ICS upgrade anyways.