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Samsung was so kind and sent me an Infuse 4G to help me developing for it. Thanks Samsung Mobile Korea
Infuse use a beautiful huge 4.5" Super AMOLED Plus screen.. But its driven with Galaxy S screen settings
DROID Charge is very similar to the Infuse 4G, except the display is a tad smaller. Super AMOLED Plus screen is also optimized for non "Plus" aka Pentile matrix.
That's why by default everything is over-sharpened and colors over-saturated.
I added preliminary support today for much more faithful screen settings in my one of my in-dev apps "Voodoo Screen Tuning", available for free on Android Market.
This app is very much experimental and not a final product. See it as an internal leak from a R&D lab. But as Linus tells: publish often, publish early
Please take a look at the app description, and have fun testing this app!
I need your feedback, so.. see you soon.
Installed, I see there are two options, native and samsung. I assume native is to return to stock and samsung are to switch to the optimized settings? I got superuser request and approved after hitting the samsung button. Didn't notice anything immediately so I rebooted to see if that would make a difference.
Don't know or can't tell if there is a difference.
Any way to tell? Good news is it didn't crash on the charge.
Native is screen without sharpening or color boosting.
Samsung is.. Samsung default.
I don't own a Charge for tests so.. only you can tell me
I installed and swapped between the two. I couldn't tell any difference.
I am on a voodoo kernel so I wonder if that makes a difference...
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The Native setting is *much* sharper than the Samsung setting.
Very nice.
I don't see any immediate changes in the look of the screen, nothing changes (or it's so slight as to be unnoticable, and I do have pretty good vision) when looking at a high res picture with the overlay on and cycling back and forth.
But it is doing something, the button backlighting turns off and turns back on, but only when pressing the native button. Or maybe I'm seeing things from staring at my phone for the last 10 minutes like a jeweler setting a diamond or something.
Edit: It is sharper on native, very small text is more defined. Cool.
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The Native setting is *much* sharper than the Samsung setting.
Very nice.
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The same for me, Samsung setting is blurry as hell compared to native
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The same for me, Samsung setting is blurry as hell compared to native
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Same here. Not really sure which I prefer, native looks a lot sharper but samsung looks a lot smoother due to the blurring effect.
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Samsung setting is over-sharpened, which means it should "look" sharper, but all it does for real is exhibiting a ton of artifacts.
I guess it's why you find "native" sharper, because it just display accurately pixels as they're supposed to be
− apply sharpening general UI elements and text really makes no sense to me, so it's not the case anymore.
Also: note that if your eyes are accustomed to an artificially sharpened image, the normal one looks blurry for a few seconds in comparison.
But that's just an optical illusion.
Does the setting stick across reboots, or does it have to be reset every time?
Prior to tweaking the settings, I changed my wallpaper to one I had on my Droid X, but was forced to change from because of how bad the colors looked on the Charge. It's took a few swaps back and forth, but I was quickly able to see the difference.
If anything, native appears oversharpened. I can even see a bit of a grid on my solid green background. Text under native, to me, is reminiscent of my old fascinate which obviously had a pentile matrix but that might just be the roboto font I'm using.
Edit: okay I take back that bit about it looking oversharpened. Just took a little getting used to when looking at text but DAMN there is quite a noticeable improvement in picture clarity. Thanks a lot.
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Just put the screen in overlay and swapped between the options. The OP is correct, the difference hurts your eyes for just a few seconds, but once you go to "Native" you will never go back to "Samsung." The change is VERY noticeable on your home screen app icons.
Native:
Edges are sharper and lines are cleaner. Text appears slightly crisper and loses the perimeter fuzz that I thought was light bleeding before.
Samsung:
The text is a little "better on the eyes" but at the same time it isn't as clear as in the other mode. Lines and text have a very very slight bleed to them.
As a side note, No color changes are experienced. This goes along with the OP's previous comment. The change is simply making the pixels on the screen display more accurately not making the colors display differently.
That's my review. I also noticed that I wanted to keep my phone at a a higher brightness to really enjoy the screen experience.
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Just put the screen in overlay and swapped between the options. The OP is correct, the difference hurts your eyes for just a few seconds, but once you go to "Native" you will never go back to "Samsung." The change is VERY noticeable on your home screen app icons.
Native:
Edges are sharper and lines are cleaner. Text appears slightly crisper and loses the perimeter fuzz that I thought was light bleeding before.
Samsung:
The text is a little "better on the eyes" but at the same time it isn't as clear as in the other mode. Lines and text have a very very slight bleed to them.
As a side note, No color changes are experienced. This goes along with the OP's previous comment. The change is simply making the pixels on the screen display more accurately not making the colors display differently.
That's my review. I also noticed that I wanted to keep my phone at a a higher brightness to really enjoy the screen experience.
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Correct. I did not mean to indicate that the color gamut was changed, but my old wallpaper definitely looks better.
+1
Native “looks" better on high Res photos.
Samsung makes text almost looked bold.
Proof: try the overlay option and open xda on your phone/Google and find a high Res picture, then just switch back and forth. You'll be able to tell the difference easily.
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Working great for me, thanks Supercurio.
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awesomesauce! Looks great native.
Sweeeeeeet
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Definitely a crisper picture on native
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While it's not an insane difference the Native settings are visibly sharper. Thanks for your hard work on everything Voodoo, Supercurio. Especially Voodoo Sound, with some good Sennheiser headphones + .flac format music and your voodoo sound my music sounds absolutely incredible. Well worth the $4 :]
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Can anyone with a Nexus S have a look at these photos and compare against their own? I want to be sure my screen is faulty before taking it back. Thanks.
Left: Galaxy S i9000 Right: Nexus S. Both with auto-brightness on.
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Nice sharp clear text on the i9000:
The same text on the Nexus S:
Looking from an angle, the screen turns even more green/yellow:
Then with brightness turned up full on both:
Now looking from an angle the screen has a very blue tint on the NS, where the i9000 doesn't discolour at all:
The screen starts to look much better after about 50% brightness. Auto-brightness makes it look awful which makes me think the colour profile for the panel is wrong as if the brightness is set to full it's overly bright and has a blue tint.
Does anyone else see this behaviour?
I do have a vibrant so I can compare in the same way... but again there's also differences among Vibrant panels. Anyway, my Vibrant is a bit more blue tinted than my Nexus S, and overall the Nexus S display seems nicer. However, as for viewing angle, the Vibrant doesn't distort at all, while the Nexus S changes color slightly, which I think is due to the gorilla glass in the Vibrant and lack of it in the Nexus S.
Your first pictures... I don't know if it's because of your camera's white balance, but the Nexus S is way too green. If anything, the Nexus S should be warmer (redder/yellower) than the Vibrant, which is what I see and was also reported by many reviewers. Also it should have exactly the same sharpness, so I think your display is kind of messed up... exchange if you can.
It's faulty. I have 3 Vibrant's in my hands right now due to my internal speaker stop working and getting warranty replacements. The warrant replacements both have blue tinted screen, so I asked for yet another. The original Vibrant I had has no blue tint and is gorgeous, but the Nexus S is even more vibrant and gorgeous.
You got a SAMOLED dud exchange it!
Yeah, your nexus S needs to be exchanged.
My S Screen looks even better than your i9000 phone. The colors on the i9000 look a little washed out, or not as vibrant. Of course that could just be the camera your using
Samsung QC appears to be utterly awful.
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Samsung QC appears to be utterly awful.
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For the amount of phones they put out in what seemed like a rush, I think they did a decent job.
dirk1978 said:
Can anyone with a Nexus S have a look at these photos and compare against their own? I want to be sure my screen is faulty before taking it back. Thanks.
Left: Galaxy S i9000 Right: Nexus S. Both with auto-brightness on.
Nice sharp clear text on the i9000:
The same text on the Nexus S:
Looking from an angle, the screen turns even more green/yellow:
Then with brightness turned up full on both:
Now looking from an angle the screen has a very blue tint on the NS, where the i9000 doesn't discolour at all:
The screen starts to look much better after about 50% brightness. Auto-brightness makes it look awful which makes me think the colour profile for the panel is wrong as if the brightness is set to full it's overly bright and has a blue tint.
Does anyone else see this behaviour?
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to be honest i am kinda tired of going on repeat about this. but there are many bad screens. check my post history. you will find your aswers.
what i can say is there is warm yellow white " defective screen " and cool blue white " good screen "
one of your phones is defective.
Ok I'd say your screen is defective. Funny I placed my nexus one next to the S at the store, and the store unit had exact same issue as yours. My nexus one whites blew it away, it wasn't even close it was that bad. It's screen had some weird tint color like yours. Must have been a bad unit as well.
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to be honest i am kinda tired of going on repeat about this. but there are many bad screens. check my post history. you will find your aswers.
what i can say is there is warm yellow white " defective screen " and cool blue white " good screen "
one of your phones is defective.
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Then don't.
My original post about the issue got lost in wrong thread so I've put in the right place. Your advice there was very much appreciated thanks. Now I know what I'm looking for.
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Then don't.
My original post about the issue got lost in wrong thread so I've put in the right place. Your advice there was very much appreciated thanks. Now I know what I'm looking for.
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sorry. i didnt mean to be rude . its just i explained it few times. and i am lil lazy so type it again but i wanted to help you out so i pointed you to my msg history. all good tho
No worries dude. Thanks for the help. Hopefully more people will know what to look for now.
Sorry for bumping.
My Nexus S has same bluish display when screen brightness is low, exactly same with the pictures in the first post.
When I dim the screen in Clock Application, I can see the purple buttons instead of gray.
When I compare with HD2's LCD screen, HD2 looks even better :S
Should I exchange it? My friend bought it from Bestbuy for me, and I'm not living in US. So it's really hard for me to exchange it :/
Does it really worth to exchange it?
I have my Vibrant and my GS4G side by side and the screens look totally different. The whites on my Vibrant are very white while on my GS4G they have a very noticeable yellow tint. I noticed this on the demo GS4G at the store too. Anyone know why this is? Are the two phones using different OLED screens? My Vibrant definitely has a much better looking screen.
Yeah I noticed that too, the older vibrants screen looks a little better.
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I noticed that while on the web. What I did was change the brightness settings for the web. The auto has to be changed I think though.
Yeah, I tried manually setting the brightness to different levels to see if that helped, but at all brightness levels the yellow tint is definitely there. The GS4G must be using a lower grade screen. Kind of a bummer, I have been spoiled by the Vibrant's screen.
They should be the same thing. I took them apart and didn't notice anything different with the screens, connectors, pins, or ribbons. It may possibly be a defect somehow, as a member on another thread mentioned that his screen has a green tint. Could be either defect or not calibrated somehow. If you find some setting or something that seems to fix it, please update us. Remember you can always exchange the phone before your "buyers remorse" period of 14 days is up. Thanks
I have actually compared my Vibrant to my GS4G, the T-Mo store demo and a friends. They all had the same yellow tint. Maybe my Vibrant has a defective screen! If so it is a great defect! My gut is telling me the GS4G is just using a lower grade OLED. I know there has been a shortage of high quality OLED screens so maybe they cut some corners.
I myself have both vibrants. After taking off the auto brightness that worked for me. I'm happy with it. Might be your phone. I'd take it back if it bothers you that much. Just me. They might even adjust for you. Won't hurt.
This is not the greatest LCD comparison picture but it is the only one I took and they look the same to me, both on the same settings, lowest brightness setting.
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I have both side by side also and notice no difference.
Vibrant build date: 07/16/2010
SGS4G build date: 02/13/2011
I wonder if it is because I have a custom ROM and Kernel on my Vibrant? Well, maybe I will get lucky and when the custom ROMs for the GS4G start rolling out it will affect the screen and make it a little whiter! It is not that big of a deal, I am just more curious than anything else. I also watch hockey games on my phone and on my Vibrant the ice is white and on the GS4Gs I have tested it is has a distinct yellow tint to it.
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I wonder if it is because I have a custom ROM and Kernel on my Vibrant? Well, maybe I will get lucky and when the custom ROMs for the GS4G start rolling out it will affect the screen and make it a little whiter! It is not that big of a deal, I am just more curious than anything else. I also watch hockey games on my phone and on my Vibrant the ice is white and on the GS4Gs I have tested it is has a distinct yellow tint to it.
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Could be wrong, but im 90% sure the Vibrant had a tint problem it was just blue, and the XDA custom rom fixed that.
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I wonder if it is because I have a custom ROM and Kernel on my Vibrant? Well, maybe I will get lucky and when the custom ROMs for the GS4G start rolling out it will affect the screen and make it a little whiter! It is not that big of a deal, I am just more curious than anything else. I also watch hockey games on my phone and on my Vibrant the ice is white and on the GS4Gs I have tested it is has a distinct yellow tint to it.
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IDK Im running bionix v on my vibrant. again both look the same to me.
I have 2 vibrants and one of them purchased in july 2010, has a very white screen, while other one purchased in november had brownish yellow tint. I exchanged it and the one I got was still pale yellow tint.
It seems the problem is with original vibrants which we are used to which show "white" screen which is actually due to excessive blue in it. You can see it on lowest brightness.
In the end, it's all luck, its best to get a phone with true whites than bluish white which looks "whitest" but its not, or brownish tint which looks dull or yellowish tint which looks "dirty white"
The problem with yellow/brown tinted phones is the blacks don't look black, they look light brown.
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I have my Vibrant and my GS4G side by side and the screens look totally different. The whites on my Vibrant are very white while on my GS4G they have a very noticeable yellow tint. I noticed this on the demo GS4G at the store too. Anyone know why this is? Are the two phones using different OLED screens? My Vibrant definitely has a much better looking screen.
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yes... i just received my sgs4g in today from t-mobile. and there is def a huge difference. someone mentioned that the 'whiter' look was due to excessive blue. i cranked the brightness level all the way up on both phones and it seems you really can actually see a slight bluish tint on my old vibrant. although, it does make the whites seem whiter. i just never noticed it until my sgs4g came in. so i'm really not sure if my old vibrant is supposed to look like my sgs4g or vice versa. lol
All I know is that to me the whiter "bluer" tint looks a lot better to my eye. I had this same issue with the MyTouch4G in comparison to my Vibrant and could not get over it. But, I swore tonight that tomorrow I would make the GS4G my primary phone, so I figure as long as I don't do side by side comparisons I will get over it!
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All I know is that to me the whiter "bluer" tint looks a lot better to my eye. I had this same issue with the MyTouch4G in comparison to my Vibrant and could not get over it. But, I swore tonight that tomorrow I would make the GS4G my primary phone, so I figure as long as I don't do side by side comparisons I will get over it!
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i'm with ya. i think i'd rather have the excess blue. so i'm about to go to my local tmo store and do a comparison to their display unit. maybe have them take one from the back as well. just to see if all three look the same, ya know? if one of them is like my old vibrant.... i'll prolly exchange mine.
Ok guys,on the market samsung has an app called Galaxy Tuner which allows you to play with the colour temperature. Supposedly some cellphones are just shipped with different settings. Let me know If anyone can get the right settings. Also the phone must be rooted for this program to work.
Here is some info. on Galaxy Tuner. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=909801
Excellent, testing it now. Only downside is you have to reapply the fix after each reboot. But if it works that means that a custom kernel in the future should be able to permanently adjust the color temperature! Thanks.
My preference so far is cb1 at 20 and cr1 at -11. Atleast your able to save your favorite setting then just load after boot. Wonder if it affects the battery drain though.
And the text clarity was really not that big of a difference.
Yes it is sharper in the iphone, but i would not call it a big difference.
3.5 inches! haha
i will never buy or use any phones with screen less than 4.3 inches!
I own iPhone 4 and Infuse. After two days of playing with the infuse, it annoyed me to go back and navigate the iphone. I dont think Ill ever buy a screen that small again.
I was same way with my iPhone never again going back down. I've had the infuse for 3 days now and I can honestly say I love this phone. Screen is the amazing.
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I have an iPhone 4 for work and I can honestly and credibility say it is puny and unexciting next to the Infuse.
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When I had the Atrix and Inspire I kept kind of wishing I had kept my iPhone 4, the Infuse has COMPLETELY Changed that for me. The Infuse is fantastic.
so im taking it that the Infuse is nothing like the galaxy s series (fascinate, captivate) etc...? I hated my fascinate on verizon and would never go back to a galaxy s but i hear good things about the infuse.
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so im taking it that the Infuse is nothing like the galaxy s series (fascinate, captivate) etc...? I hated my fascinate on verizon and would never go back to a galaxy s but i hear good things about the infuse.
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Galaxy S 1.5 if you will. Screen, camera, GPS and data speeds are Galaxy S II level, but software and the rest of the hardware is from the original Galaxy S. TouchWiz 3 and Froyo are the biggest downsides. If this had TouchWiz 4 and Gingerbread I would be all over it.
To be honest, my opinion about the screen is different. To me, It's NOT as clear as the Iphone's retina. Because of the larger screen and the low resolution, my font is somewhat pixelated compared to my iphone 4. I do admit that the colors are more vibrant than the iphone 4. I'm not dissing the phone by any means because I love this phone. I just wish that the font and icons weren't as pixelated. Not a deal breaker to me but I just thought I'd throw my opinion out there.
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To be honest, my opinion about the screen is different. To me, It's NOT as clear as the Iphone's retina. Because of the larger screen and the low resolution, my font is somewhat pixelated compared to my iphone 4. I do admit that the colors are more vibrant than the iphone 4. I'm not dissing the phone by any means because I love this phone. I just wish that the font and icons weren't as pixelated. Not a deal breaker to me but I just thought I'd throw my opinion out there.
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Build.prop edit change density to 200.... see if you can tell the difference...
But also look at the size of the screen... you have almost 30% more screen that plays a difference in the resolution as well.
trdsnow said:
To be honest, my opinion about the screen is different. To me, It's NOT as clear as the Iphone's retina. Because of the larger screen and the low resolution, my font is somewhat pixelated compared to my iphone 4. I do admit that the colors are more vibrant than the iphone 4. I'm not dissing the phone by any means because I love this phone. I just wish that the font and icons weren't as pixelated. Not a deal breaker to me but I just thought I'd throw my opinion out there.
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I don't think it has anything to do with the resolution and screen size, but rather a sharpening filter Samsung added. To quote myself,
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Not really a bug per say, but Samsung added some sort of light artificial sharpening filter to the display driver in touchwiz. If you restore the phone, there is a console with very small green text which does not have the sharpening, and it looks amazing.
This is how text looks in many parts of touchwiz (icons are affected too, e.g. it's noticeable in the taskbar icons):
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Build.prop edit change density to 200.... see if you can tell the difference...
But also look at the size of the screen... you have almost 30% more screen that plays a difference in the resolution as well.
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I havent rooted my phone yet because I'm trying to see what Touchwiz has to offer. After I root it, I will definitely edit the the density to see if that helps.
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Build.prop edit change density to 200.... see if you can tell the difference...
But also look at the size of the screen... you have almost 30% more screen that plays a difference in the resolution as well.
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From where is this accessed?
Im new to this. This is my first android. Just rooted it today.
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From where is this accessed?
Im new to this. This is my first android. Just rooted it today.
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1) download root explorer.
2) go to system
3) open "Build.prop" (long press on it>open in text Editor)
4) Go to: ro.sf.lcd_density=240
5) Change 240 on 190
6) Save
7) Restart your phone.
Btw, let me know how it looks.
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1) download root explorer.
2) go to system
3) open "Build.prop" (long press on it>open in text Editor)
4) Go to: ro.sf.lcd_density=240
5) Change 240 on 190
6) Save
7) Restart your phone.
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Worth saying root needed.
Dude. This is a true statment! Haha. I felt the say way last night using my iPhone 4. It was small and annoying. I bought a noosy sim cutter off amazon for 5 bucks and used that last night to test how it work. It was worth the buy now I can swap from my infuse to iphone 4 no problems. But The iphone apps are better polished and I miss that. I wish android had the picture and video apps like the iPhone does. But this is my second android phone I have ever owned and I love this phone! I had a dell streak and it sucked. I think they made it to bulky and it didnt help it was on 1.6 for the longest time. So I traded my Streak for a iPhone 4 and was happy with that then I got this phone and dont want to use my iPhone as much. Samsung nailed it with the screen size and thiness I think. Thats a part of what makes this phone great. The screen looks amazing too. I am having a hard time comparing the screen to the iphone 4 screen. the only thing i see a difference is the text quality is a slight off from the iphone 4. but that does not matter.
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This seems like an appropriate place to ask as I made the switch from an iphone and think I'm getting over the customization hump. Did anyone use tlert and intelliscreen? I've been trying apps to try and recreate the experience but haven't found anything great yet. Right now I'm using handcent and executive assistant. The sms popups are way too big, I liked them small and unobtrusive.
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Btw, let me know how it looks.
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I've been on 200... I think it looks pretty clean, then again I don't stare at it 1 inch from my face, so its hard to tell.... Letters look clean though...
*****EDIT 190 IS HOT!!!!!******
My nook rom has a pixel density app. Any idea where I can find that .apk? Or i guess I could edit the build prop
I am sick of reading biased news and comments about the Pentile screens,
some say "don't care" and some say "it's crap", with or without evidence.
This "oppinions" war has become more evident after the internets learned about the Nexus's "sinful" PenTile screen
I just found this very interesting and objective article and wanted to share it with all of you:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134
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The NOTE screen sure is green.
I don't see such a big deal in real world usage.
But I'm not one of those people with microscopic eyes.
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I don't see such a big deal in real world usage.
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Exactly. It's pretty much placebo. The only difference I've seen over time is in lighting. Used to be you only saw a perfect pic when looking at the screen from exactly one point, any tiny deviation would be hugely noticeable. Now that that's gone, it's all the same. Unless the resolution is really low, like 480x320, then you notice the grid. Beyond that, like I said, it's all the same.
Definitely not placebo. I had issues before knowing exactly what was different with the screen. I tried but could not get over the sense that the screen was crawling even with no interaction. Very disconcerting and after a few minutes use, definite eye fatigue. I could not do my usual news/blog reading on the train every day.
I know folks that have no issues with pentile so it's definitely not a universally bad thing. But it's a troubling trend to me because it significantly limits my options.
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i've had a Samsung S8500 with Super Amoled PenTile screen (800x480), 3.3" then i bought my Desire S with the same nominal resolution on a 3.7" screen non-PenTile...the difference is clear even if the dpi is lower on Desire S, nothing shattering but without PenTile images are sharper
Some people see it and some don't. I noticed the "screen door" effect immediately on the Photon. I've heard that if you turn down the brightness it will lessen the effect but makes it harder to see the screen in sunlight. Most just keep auto brightness on and deal with it.
It's fine, and now with 300+ DPI phones, you cant even tell it's using PenTile
-Nexus S owner
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The NOTE screen sure is green.
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That's because it's a macro shot of a screen made up of 50% green sub-pixels. It will look white to the naked eye.
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Some people see it and some don't. I noticed the "screen door" effect immediately on the Photon. I've heard that if you turn down the brightness it will lessen the effect but makes it harder to see the screen in sunlight. Most just keep auto brightness on and deal with it.
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Motorola uses RGBW PenTile instead of the AMOLED's RGBG. It's really not the PenTile matrix at fault there - it's their use of it in a way too-large screen, combined with aggressive power-saving that causes off-colors and pattern visibility.
It's actually a bit different to the issues some have with RGBG. RGBG is actually pretty close to RGB stripe, but it relies on the make-up of the human eye. A relatively small number of people have a certain mutation that means their eyes don't exactly work the correct way for RGBG PenTile to be effective.
At the Galaxy Note and Galaxy Nexus' far higher pixel densities, the RGBG PenTile effect shouldn't even be visible to the naked eye any more. How it will affect those people who actually have a legitimate problem viewing it, we won't know until these screens actually reach the end-users.
To be honest I can't tell the difference with screens between my sgs 2 and captivate. Maybe my eyes aren't as good anymore because I regularly do art...
There is no noticeable difference between the two technologies that will be noticeable to the naked eye in normal circumstances. Period.
it really boils down to the user's perception of clarity of the screen.
but as long as it responds quickly that would be enough
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There is no noticeable difference between the two technologies that will be noticeable to the naked eye in normal circumstances. Period.
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What a load of bollocks. There's a huge difference - period.
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What a load of bollocks. There's a huge difference - period.
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You might as well want to elaborate to back yourself.
It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones.
This is why i am excited to see LG's true HD 720p AH-IPS display found on the optimus LTE(s. Korea only). Reports and reviews are coming in that it is the best display on all mobile phone screen technology. Uses less power than super amoled and has crisper and sharper colors than the retina.
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I haven't seen any review about that phone. However, I hope that these words don't come from LG Marketing team, which wrote in their product package manual that less gamut on Nova screen (67%) is better than SuperAMOLED's 107%.
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sygeek said:
It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones.
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No its not. If your eyesight is still in good condition you can notice the wierd effects like checkerboard, blue/red dots in fonts and jaggy edges. This is coming from using Galaxy S, but with Galaxy Note and Nexus Primes higher pixel densities I doubt theres going to be a big issue.
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It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones.
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That depends an awful lot on exactly what you're looking at. With text, I have yet to try a pentile where the drawbacks weren't painfully obvious - and for me it does turn into pain in the form of eye strain and a headache if I keep at it.
With pictures it is sometimes obvious depending on subject. Moving pictures I rarely notice it but still develop eye strain after a while.
If you can't see it, you can't. Perhaps akin to color blindness. But to flat out claim it's next to impossible to see when it's actually impossible not to see for some is disingenuous. I'm not sure what kind of elaboration you want to convince you we're not just making stuff up as I can't easily show you what I see.
99% of my phone use is text. No games,rarely movies or pictures. Pentile displays I've tried all fail to be invisible for me so for now, they remove a lot of devices from consideration. I still try them just in case.
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Does the og EVO have pentile idle if it does if it does and the EVO 3d doesn't I want to compare to see otherwise I would Like to look at a lcd non pentile vs a pentile not a lcd vs a amoled. I think that's a unfair judgement or if someone can tell me a phone that has a pentile amoled screen that's new I know the sgsii isn't I'm just curious to compare. This is like can one see the diff between 720p or 1080p. Some people say they look the same and iv had some say they don't see the hype in bluray which I find crazy. So before I throw my thoughts in is like to compare.
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Call me crazy, but I could never let the type of screen determine my cell phone purchase...
Samsung please make in the future smartphones:
OIS
Remove modulation at medium and low brightness, as it did in the Fly IQ444 Diamond 2 Quattro, Motorola Razr HD (XT925) and LG G Flex
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Remove Dynamic and Standard modes. These modes are as bone that samsung threw for some reviewers and haters. Benefit from them is no, only cons. Because at testers gray is blue, red is orange, they specially put this modes, they have very cold tone (6500-6700K - Cinema and pro photo mode, 7500-8000K - Dynamic and Standard). Anyway all image are designed for SRGB standard, and enhanced range is color distortion, red hues (at normal color temperature) and oversaturation.
Сomplete yet color gamut to 100% SRGB, the unnecessary 6-7% still sometimes make themselves known. (but 106% instead of 122% in S4 is a good job).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7PP8mgv0eCY#t=798 (This is Cinema Mode)
Metal Body (antennas should be behind the plastic, glass or other material, but not metal, so did HTC, Apple and Sony, otherwise the connection will be very bad).
Thanks
It would be ideal. Isocell, improved super amoled (brightness, viewing angles, color reproduction in cinema and pro photo mode, anti-glare), waterproof, interface speed and battery life is awesome.
Who are close to the developers of samsung, please show them this post
I'd think there are many more important issues with phones nowadays than screen calibration. If you want to edit photos, get a good monitor and calibrate it. If you want to watch movies, get a 65" plasma or OLED and stop complaining about stuff that has little relevance in smartphones.
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I'd think there are many more important issues with phones nowadays than screen calibration. If you want to edit photos, get a good monitor and calibrate it. If you want to watch movies, get a 65" plasma or OLED and stop complaining about stuff that has little relevance in smartphones.
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It is much more important than unnecessary megapixels, megahertz, cores and ppi's.
It's about quality of display, which can be much better,
about the impact on eyes and eye fatigue,
about shooting in low light,
about solid and feeling that you hold the thing for ages
about "vulnerabilities", which can fault reviewers and haters
sonyfan12 said:
It is much more important than unnecessary megapixels, megahertz, cores and ppi's.
It's about quality of display, which can be much better,
about the impact on eyes and eye fatigue,
about shooting in low light,
about solid and feeling that you hold the thing for ages
about "vulnerabilities", which can fault reviewers and haters
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I prefer a fast phone with a perfect screen, than a slow phone with a good screen.
We already have good screens and if Samsung devotes loads of hours to making the screen much better, they will either need to make the phone super expensive to pay for those extra hours or they will have to cut corners in other areas to save money.
The law of diminishing returns - you spend 10% of time to achieve 90% of what you want and 90% for the rest 10%.
Less screen modes? More accurate? It will be a cold day in hell when Samsung stops emphasizing the saturated colors that only come from AMOLED. There's a reason why they use it on all flagships.
Lots of people prefer that saturated profile.
I would be always against taking choice away from customer.
Cinema is quite good Btw. Not perfect but it's close to accurate.
First thing I did when I bought this phone was changing the screen mode. That's Android strength: let me choose.
OIS: yes please.
Metal body: only if it's not form over function.
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Less screen modes? More accurate? It will be a cold day in hell when Samsung stops emphasizing the saturated colors that only come from AMOLED. There's a reason why they use it on all flagships.
Lots of people prefer that saturated profile.
I would be always against taking choice away from customer.
Cinema is quite good Btw. Not perfect but it's close to accurate.
First thing I did when I bought this phone was changing the screen mode. That's Android strength: let me choose.
OIS: yes please.
Metal body: only if it's not form over function.
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Gotta agree with this post.
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Szadzik said:
I prefer a fast phone with a perfect screen, than a slow phone with a good screen.
We already have good screens and if Samsung devotes loads of hours to making the screen much better, they will either need to make the phone super expensive to pay for those extra hours or they will have to cut corners in other areas to save money.
The law of diminishing returns - you spend 10% of time to achieve 90% of what you want and 90% for the rest 10%.
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To the speed these improvements have absolutely no affected. And make them easy as shelling pears
drakester09 said:
Less screen modes? More accurate? It will be a cold day in hell when Samsung stops emphasizing the saturated colors that only come from AMOLED. There's a reason why they use it on all flagships.
Lots of people prefer that saturated profile.
I would be always against taking choice away from customer.
Cinema is quite good Btw. Not perfect but it's close to accurate.
First thing I did when I bought this phone was changing the screen mode. That's Android strength: let me choose.
OIS: yes please.
Metal body: only if it's not form over function.
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The main advantages of amoled is not oversaturation and distortion. The main advantages is ideal black color, ideal contrast, ideal viewing angle, ideal response speed, all much better than lcd
That's true, S5 doesn't look like a 2014 flagship.
bfg425 said:
That's true, S5 doesn't look like a 2014 flagship.
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Then don't buy it and you're all good. :thumbup:
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Then don't buy it and you're all good. :thumbup:
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+1
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